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nunusguy
05-28-2006, 11:29 AM
"Houston reportedly was willing to give Bush a 10 percent bump in guaranteed money over what 2005 top pick Alex Smith received, but Segal is said to have wanted double that. The Texans eventually tired of the demand and decided to open negotiations with North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, with whom they came to terms on the eve of the draft. "
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/20060528-9999-1s28trotter.html
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baba ganoush
05-28-2006, 11:34 AM
to have one of the best college athletes to ever play the game i would have gone with bush in a heartbeat...does this mean that the texans are cheap??? Williams was a great college athlete but i think all it was, was hype!!! He never saw top notch competion and still got blocked...to me there is something wrong with that...reggie always put up big numbers in every game he played...

texan279
05-28-2006, 11:39 AM
to have one of the best college athletes to ever play the game i would have gone with bush in a heartbeat...does this mean that the texans are cheap??? Williams was a great college athlete but i think all it was, was hype!!! He never saw top notch competion and still got blocked...to me there is something wrong with that...reggie always put up big numbers in every game he played...

Bush had 2 games last season with over 200 yards rushing, 2 games with more than 150, 4 games with over 100 yards rushing, and 5 games with less than 100 yards rushing.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 11:49 AM
to have one of the best college athletes to ever play the game i would have gone with bush in a heartbeat...does this mean that the texans are cheap??? Williams was a great college athlete but i think all it was, was hype!!! He never saw top notch competion and still got blocked...to me there is something wrong with that...reggie always put up big numbers in every game he played...

The ACC had the most picks ever in a first round from one conference. Please define top notch competition as I thought the NFL was the nop notch league and they seem to have a different take on how good the ACC was.

dat_boy_yec
05-28-2006, 11:59 AM
After reading that article I can't really say Bush is that bad a person. Everyone is calling him greedy and a possible hold out, but in reality his agent is the one putting him in that position. Looking back on it the way Segal dealt with the Texans it did seem that he had no intention whatsoever of signing before the draft. I think that Segal is the one that really screwed the chance of Bush coming here. If he's trying to negotiate a deal that exceeds Mario's guaranteed money then he's also messing things up in NO. I don't really know what to say except that Seagal is messing up. Not only negotiations for his client but being in such a prominent position right now he might be messing things up for his future as well. Who knows.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 12:04 PM
After reading that article I can't really say Bush is that bad a person. Everyone is calling him greedy and a possible hold out, but in reality his agent is the one putting him in that position. Looking back on it the way Segal dealt with the Texans it did seem that he had no intention whatsoever of signing before the draft. I think that Segal is the one that really screwed the chance of Bush coming here. If he's trying to negotiate a deal that exceeds Mario's guaranteed money then he's also messing things up in NO. I don't really know what to say except that Seagal is messing up. Not only negotiations for his client but being in such a prominent position right now he might be messing things up for his future as well. Who knows.

I will have to vehemently disagree with that notion. Segal is paid to provide a service as he is Bush's employee. To even suggest that a number was not agreed upon by agent and client to start the negotiations is absurd. You do not sign a player of Bush's caliber by not representing the client's best interest which includes their buy in on negotiations.

Dime
05-28-2006, 12:22 PM
what you all fail to understand is that Bush and crew did not believe the texans would pass on him. He felt they would get the deal done no matter what. They thought they held all the cards and even berated the texans for even speaking about williams because they had thought it was a tactic to drop Bushs price. I heard several times they were saying that.

nunusguy
05-28-2006, 12:39 PM
Even though I wanted us to draft Bush and not VY, I would quickly add that
the Texas QB was the best player in college last year if you include the Rose
Bowl game. And Reggie to a significant extent was a creation of the LA entertainment industry which was also his home. They turned that game
he had against the lower echelon Fresno State crew into a promo for the
Heisman.
But the only game I saw Bush play in was the championship game against the Longhorns. So I'm almost as interested in seeing how he does against NFL defenses as I am in seeing how Mario does against NFL offenses.
But about Bush's agent, he seemed to forget that Bush wasn't a QB. The
premium for Bush, who as a running back didn't play at a premium position,
was him having the opportunity to be seriously considered and even be the favored #1 overall. But the way reports like this are coming out about Bush's
agent, you would have thought he thought he was representing the second coming of Stanfords Elway.

Chato
05-28-2006, 12:53 PM
I think that it is true that Bush and his agent were quickly becoming a PITA and he wasn't even picked yet. What was gonna be next? Begging to wear #5? Or wanting a number someone else already has?

And how many times a day do you wanna be asked...

"Do you think now is a good time for Reggie to return the Heisman to Vince.....Mr McNair?....Coach K?.....McKinney?"

"How do you feel about Reggie winning championships while he was accepting favors in clear violation of NCAA rules...Daivd?.....Andre?......anyone?''

Let him be NO's problem. I am very happy that NO didn't take Vince. That would have sucked for him.

As for cheap...no! Mr. McNair is a chronic overpayer.

Carr Bombed
05-28-2006, 01:14 PM
This is just one source from a hometown piece to trash Reggie's agent. If this is true, (which we'll never know) It doesn't mean this is the reason why we passed up Reggie. We could of had Reggie and Mario rated equally on our boards and being able to sign Mario before the draft and at a cheaper price was just more reason to take him.

Its kinda like looking to buy a car, you love two of them, but one comes with a longer extended warranty, so you go with that one, its just icing on the cake.

Specter
05-28-2006, 01:23 PM
I think that Reggie was the best player in college football last year and if you want to say that you weren't shocked that the Texans took Mario then you are fooling yourselves. You can say what you want about the LA Media (and you're probably right) but to say that Reggie's talent doesn't translate to the pros is foolish. They didn't call it the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, and no matter what people may say now, there was a good number of us that were rooting against the Texans those final weeks in the hope that we would land the big prize and improve our team immensely in the coming years. We had the chance to take him but we didn't. Let's hope that we made the right choice because in the end, I just want to see us win.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 01:30 PM
I think that Reggie was the best player in college football last year and if you want to say that you weren't shocked that the Texans took Mario then you are fooling yourselves. You can say what you want about the LA Media (and you're probably right) but to say that Reggie's talent doesn't translate to the pros is foolish. They didn't call it the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, and no matter what people may say now, there was a good number of us that were rooting against the Texans those final weeks in the hope that we would land the big prize and improve our team immensely in the coming years. We had the chance to take him but we didn't. Let's hope that we made the right choice because in the end, I just want to see us win.

The fools are those that wanted the Texans to lose in order to draft a player we do not need.

Specter
05-28-2006, 01:36 PM
Then the majority of Houston is constructed of fools. I only spoke the truth. Like I said, they didn't call our meeting with San Francisco the Bush Bowl for nothing. I didn't say we made the wrong choice or that Mario isnt going to cut it, I say that Bush seemed the be the best player for a loooooooooooooong time and if you can sit here and say that you never dreamed up scenerios of him cutting across the middle while AJ went deep then I think you're not being totally honest.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 01:38 PM
Then the majority of Houston is constructed of fools. I only spoke the truth.

Hardly. VY was the pick for most Houstonians.

Wolf
05-28-2006, 01:42 PM
I think that Reggie was the best player in college football last year and if you want to say that you weren't shocked that the Texans took Mario then you are fooling yourselves. You can say what you want about the LA Media (and you're probably right) but to say that Reggie's talent doesn't translate to the pros is foolish. They didn't call it the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, and no matter what people may say now, there was a good number of us that were rooting against the Texans those final weeks in the hope that we would land the big prize and improve our team immensely in the coming years. We had the chance to take him but we didn't. Let's hope that we made the right choice because in the end, I just want to see us win.


problem I have with Bush is if he is superman ..why weren't teams fighting to move up to get him?

media generated all this.. Yes what he did against Fresno was impressive and even the 200+total yards against UT was impressive also, but I am not buying into the next gayle sayers,barry sanders ..etc..etc all rolled into one

Carr Bombed
05-28-2006, 01:49 PM
I think that Reggie was the best player in college football last year and if you want to say that you weren't shocked that the Texans took Mario then you are fooling yourselves. You can say what you want about the LA Media (and you're probably right) but to say that Reggie's talent doesn't translate to the pros is foolish. They didn't call it the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, and no matter what people may say now, there was a good number of us that were rooting against the Texans those final weeks in the hope that we would land the big prize and improve our team immensely in the coming years. We had the chance to take him but we didn't. Let's hope that we made the right choice because in the end, I just want to see us win.

I was one of those people that was rooting for the Texans to win the bush bowl (or lose, whichever way you look at it). It hurts me to even say that and I never want to be in that position again. I was also upset when we passed on him, but since I stopped thinking with my emotions and started thinking logical, I have absolutely no problem with the pick and think we made the right choice.

You don't pay that kind of money to a RB, it just isn't smart, especially when your installing a system that uses multiple backs and a system that allows multiple backs to have great success. There is a reason why nobody would even offer up a 2nd round pick for Edge or Alexander, which was the asking price before last seasons draft. There is a reason why Indy let Edge go and used the saved money on Freeney and opted to draft his replacement. Good backs can be found later in the draft, franchise DEs can't

Now when you look at the division we play in (The Colts), even if we draft RB, do you honestly think we are going to outscore them.....no. The reason why I know that is because NOBODY went offense to offense and outscored them last year. Nobody has gotten into a shootout and really outscored them the past 2 to 3 seasons. The Bengals tried to run with them and failed and the Bengals had a great offense and a better defense than what we had last year.

The only teams that beat the Colts last year were teams that could pressure Peyton Manning and hold the Colts under 20 points, they won with defense.

I think the decision to take Mario is bigger than the Houston Texans and goes back to the days of Manning straight thumping the Broncos, for two straight years Kubiak watched Manning embarrass his teams defense and kick them out of the playoffs. The Broncos started building their team directly to beat the Colts, which is why they shook up their entire Dline

Don't think that he doesn't remember those playoff losses, I'm pretty sure when he got here, his Agenda went something like this.

#1 fix the offensive line, protect the QB
#2 build the defensive front 7, stop the Colts.

We have to stop the Colts if we're ever going to have any kind of success in this division, if we don't we're just going to be sitting around waiting for Manning to retire, Thats the reason why we took Mario and not Reggie.

Specter
05-28-2006, 08:22 PM
i see what you are saying and i think that Mario will definitely help us. Like I said in my previous post, the LA Media definitely made Bushs star grow but you cant deny that he has NFL talent. My only problem with the pick is that nobody was mentioning Mario as the top pick until after his amazing combine and right b4 the actual draft. That is what made a lot of people skeptical about the whole deal including me. Unless you were an insider with the team, there was no way you say this coming a month out of the draft.

As for the Austin boy up there, yeah its true that the majority of Houston wanted Vince....AFTER the Rose Bowl because at the very end of last season I didnt hear people clamoring for him. Im not putting him down or saying that he wouldnt cut it but its true. Like i said, it wasnt called the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, the majority of the nation believed that Reggie was the best player available and thats why everybody thought they were going to draft him and they possibly would have if (like the article says, and alot of people believe) his agent wouldnt have had those incredible contract demands. Most people believed they would take Reggie, Vince, or trade down for more picks. NOBODY thought that they would take Mario. That came straight out of left field.

As for nobody trying to move up for him, I think nobody wanted to pay him QB money, thats one of the curses of having the top pick, you a lot of times wildly overpay that player. At the same time, I hate what McNair does by wanting to sign the player b4 the draft. I think we should have waited and seen if anyone got crazy and tried to move up but I guess we will never know now.

I hope that we are never in the top spot again and if we are maybe we can at least let the suspense go on and let people at least consider whether or not to trade up to get the pick from us. Thats just smart business.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 08:32 PM
i see what you are saying and i think that Mario will definitely help us. Like I said in my previous post, the LA Media definitely made Bushs star grow but you cant deny that he has NFL talent. My only problem with the pick is that nobody was mentioning Mario as the top pick until after his amazing combine and right b4 the actual draft. That is what made a lot of people skeptical about the whole deal including me. Unless you were an insider with the team, there was no way you say this coming a month out of the draft.

As for the Austin boy up there, yeah its true that the majority of Houston wanted Vince....AFTER the Rose Bowl because at the very end of last season I didnt hear people clamoring for him. Im not putting him down or saying that he wouldnt cut it but its true. Like i said, it wasnt called the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, the majority of the nation believed that Reggie was the best player available and thats why everybody thought they were going to draft him and they possibly would have if (like the article says, and alot of people believe) his agent wouldnt have had those incredible contract demands. Most people believed they would take Reggie, Vince, or trade down for more picks. NOBODY thought that they would take Mario. That came straight out of left field.

As for nobody trying to move up for him, I think nobody wanted to pay him QB money, thats one of the curses of having the top pick, you a lot of times wildly overpay that player. At the same time, I hate what McNair does by wanting to sign the player b4 the draft. I think we should have waited and seen if anyone got crazy and tried to move up but I guess we will never know now.

I hope that we are never in the top spot again and if we are maybe we can at least let the suspense go on and let people at least consider whether or not to trade up to get the pick from us. Thats just smart business.

Well you have only been here since April and I can tell you that there were a few vocal people on this board trumpeting Williams as the #1 with some sound reasoning behind it.

edo783
05-28-2006, 09:13 PM
Well you have only been here since April and I can tell you that there were a few vocal people on this board trumpeting Williams as the #1 with some sound reasoning behind it.

Yup, quite a few folks were pushing for Mario or DBrick (depending on whether they were wanting to improve the offense or defense first). However, they were almost all based around a trade down to about #4. I can't remember anyone (not that there might not have been some) calling for him at the #1 more than about 2 weeks before the draft. The point is that he was on the radar of folks and as one of the top 3-4 picks, just not at #1 and I put that to the hype machine around Bush. No matter how you slice it, Mario isn't chopped liver and is/was a great pick.

swtbound07
05-28-2006, 09:18 PM
Then the majority of Houston is constructed of fools. I only spoke the truth. Like I said, they didn't call our meeting with San Francisco the Bush Bowl for nothing. I didn't say we made the wrong choice or that Mario isnt going to cut it, I say that Bush seemed the be the best player for a loooooooooooooong time and if you can sit here and say that you never dreamed up scenerios of him cutting across the middle while AJ went deep then I think you're not being totally honest.

I can say that...I've been anti-reggie since wayyyy before the bush bowl. I dont like what I see out of him, and i feverishly hoped against hope he would just go someplace else. Thank goodness, he did. Complete honesty.....bush wasnt even the best player on his own team.

thunderkyss
05-28-2006, 09:24 PM
I think that Reggie was the best player in college football last year and if you want to say that you weren't shocked that the Texans took Mario then you are fooling yourselves. You can say what you want about the LA Media (and you're probably right) but to say that Reggie's talent doesn't translate to the pros is foolish. They didn't call it the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, and no matter what people may say now, there was a good number of us that were rooting against the Texans those final weeks in the hope that we would land the big prize and improve our team immensely in the coming years. We had the chance to take him but we didn't. Let's hope that we made the right choice because in the end, I just want to see us win.
QWwWwWWaaaaacckkkk...... Pathuiiii.

dat_boy_yec
05-28-2006, 09:33 PM
Yup, quite a few folks were pushing for Mario or DBrick (depending on whether they were wanting to improve the offense or defense first). However, they were almost all based around a trade down to about #4. I can't remember anyone (not that there might not have been some) calling for him at the #1 more than about 2 weeks before the draft. The point is that he was on the radar of folks and as one of the top 3-4 picks, just not at #1 and I put that to the hype machine around Bush. No matter how you slice it, Mario isn't chopped liver and is/was a great pick.

Oh, here's a thread from over a month and a half before the draft. He was noticed. All the Young/Bush debate threads pushed this under the carpet though. Kaiser has long been a Super Mario supporter and even though I was initially upset that we passed on Bush, I got over it quickly enough.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19520

Specter
05-28-2006, 10:08 PM
ur right about me only being here since April, that doesnt mean that I havent been following the team though. I stated my opinions and you wrote them off as if I'm not a fan. You would know more about what people are saying on this site seeing as how you find the time to post 4,500 messages.

Kaiser Toro
05-28-2006, 10:12 PM
ur right about me only being here since April, that doesnt mean that I havent been following the team though. I stated my opinions and you wrote them off as if I'm not a fan. You would know more about what people are saying on this site seeing as how you find the time to post 4,500 messages.

Never said you do not follow the team nor did I even imply you as a half a fan. Your perception could not be further from the truth. Go back and read our exchange and I think you will read it a different way.

Specter
05-28-2006, 10:13 PM
Yup, quite a few folks were pushing for Mario or DBrick (depending on whether they were wanting to improve the offense or defense first). However, they were almost all based around a trade down to about #4. I can't remember anyone (not that there might not have been some) calling for him at the #1 more than about 2 weeks before the draft. The point is that he was on the radar of folks and as one of the top 3-4 picks, just not at #1 and I put that to the hype machine around Bush. No matter how you slice it, Mario isn't chopped liver and is/was a great pick.


yeah, you're totally right about all this. That's what I'm saying, most people saw Mario as a possible choice for us but very few saw him as being the top pick instead as a player we could pick up if we traded down. He's not a bad pick, and that's not what I'm getting at, again, I wish that we would have fielded offers for the top pick and WAITED until after the draft to sign our top pick if we didn't get any. Too late now, we never know what we could have gotten (if anything). Lets wish for the best now.

GO TEXANS!!!!!!! :texans: :trophy: :texflag:

Hulk75
05-28-2006, 10:16 PM
Could you imagine how much money his second contract would be, guys dont understand, do you think kubes wanted to spend that much on a rb, when denver just does not do that.

I would not be surprised if Wali Lundy or London is a Hall of Fammer when he is done.:spy:

Wolf
05-28-2006, 10:22 PM
i see what you are saying and i think that Mario will definitely help us. Like I said in my previous post, the LA Media definitely made Bushs star grow but you cant deny that he has NFL talent. My only problem with the pick is that nobody was mentioning Mario as the top pick until after his amazing combine and right b4 the actual draft. That is what made a lot of people skeptical about the whole deal including me. Unless you were an insider with the team, there was no way you say this coming a month out of the draft. you could be right, on that.. I think for most of us we thought if the Texans were to not get Bush, they would trade down and get Williams or Brick at #4 overall instead of #1 overall.. draft day brought out the fact that N.O. was going to take Mario #2 if we took bush..they had no use for a Qb with Brees signing on ..and By reports wanted to trade w/ jets for their #4 and #29..jets said no.. so our asking price had to be higher.(a bit)

As for the Austin boy up there, yeah its true that the majority of Houston wanted Vince....AFTER the Rose Bowl because at the very end of last season I didnt hear people clamoring for him. Im not putting him down or saying that he wouldnt cut it but its true. Like i said, it wasnt called the "Bush Bowl" for nothing, the majority of the nation believed that Reggie was the best player available and thats why everybody thought they were going to draft him and they possibly would have if (like the article says, and alot of people believe) his agent wouldnt have had those incredible contract demands. Most people believed they would take Reggie, Vince, or trade down for more picks. NOBODY thought that they would take Mario. That came straight out of left field. that would be East coast reporting (aka ESPN), down here people liked Vince way before the Rose Bowl

As for nobody trying to move up for him, I think nobody wanted to pay him QB money, thats one of the curses of having the top pick, you a lot of times wildly overpay that player. At the same time, I hate what McNair does by wanting to sign the player b4 the draft. I think we should have waited and seen if anyone got crazy and tried to move up but I guess we will never know now. I find it hard to believe that nobody wanted to pay Qb money for the next Gale Sayers,Barry Sanders,etc,etc.. from media reports this guy is once in a generation player..if true, why wouldn't someone pay QB money for a "once a generation" player :hmmm:

I hope that we are never in the top spot again and if we are maybe we can at least let the suspense go on and let people at least consider whether or not to trade up to get the pick from us. Thats just smart business.

responses in bold

Specter
05-28-2006, 10:26 PM
Could you imagine how much money his second contract would be, guys dont understand, do you think kubes wanted to spend that much on a rb, when denver just does not do that.

I would not be surprised if Wali Lundy or London is a Hall of Fammer when he is done.:spy:


lol, that would definitely be nice!!!!!!!

jerek
05-28-2006, 10:38 PM
I was one of those people that was rooting for the Texans to win the bush bowl (or lose, whichever way you look at it). It hurts me to even say that and I never want to be in that position again. I was also upset when we passed on him, but since I stopped thinking with my emotions and started thinking logical, I have absolutely no problem with the pick and think we made the right choice.

You don't pay that kind of money to a RB, it just isn't smart, especially when your installing a system that uses multiple backs and a system that allows multiple backs to have great success. There is a reason why nobody would even offer up a 2nd round pick for Edge or Alexander, which was the asking price before last seasons draft. There is a reason why Indy let Edge go and used the saved money on Freeney and opted to draft his replacement. Good backs can be found later in the draft, franchise DEs can't

Now when you look at the division we play in (The Colts), even if we draft RB, do you honestly think we are going to outscore them.....no. The reason why I know that is because NOBODY went offense to offense and outscored them last year. Nobody has gotten into a shootout and really outscored them the past 2 to 3 seasons. The Bengals tried to run with them and failed and the Bengals had a great offense and a better defense than what we had last year.

The only teams that beat the Colts last year were teams that could pressure Peyton Manning and hold the Colts under 20 points, they won with defense.

I think the decision to take Mario is bigger than the Houston Texans and goes back to the days of Manning straight thumping the Broncos, for two straight years Kubiak watched Manning embarrass his teams defense and kick them out of the playoffs. The Broncos started building their team directly to beat the Colts, which is why they shook up their entire Dline

Don't think that he doesn't remember those playoff losses, I'm pretty sure when he got here, his Agenda went something like this.

#1 fix the offensive line, protect the QB
#2 build the defensive front 7, stop the Colts.

We have to stop the Colts if we're ever going to have any kind of success in this division, if we don't we're just going to be sitting around waiting for Manning to retire, Thats the reason why we took Mario and not Reggie.

Thank you for saving me the trouble of rehashing the wisdom in the MW over RB choice.

That said, I have it directly from people who worked directly with Ferens and Casserly: Mario was a football decision and it did not have anything to do with Bush nor his agent demanding too much money. Furthermore I have been told that Mario was signed to more money than the Texans' final offer to Bush.

My post history (esp as it surrounds this draft) speaks for itself and past that, choose to believe what you want. I know that many people still can't wrap their minds around any team passing for the invincible Reggie Bush on the basis of football (yet, we couldn't find an appropriate tradeup offer ...) Either way, it is possible I was misled, but I'll put faith in my sources long before I put it in some Cali newspaper columnist.

texman8
05-28-2006, 10:47 PM
Then the majority of Houston is constructed of fools. I only spoke the truth. Like I said, they didn't call our meeting with San Francisco the Bush Bowl for nothing. I didn't say we made the wrong choice or that Mario isnt going to cut it, I say that Bush seemed the be the best player for a loooooooooooooong time and if you can sit here and say that you never dreamed up scenerios of him cutting across the middle while AJ went deep then I think you're not being totally honest.

Well. I was there for the "Bush Bowl". Of course, this game was before the Rose Bowl. The hype and support for VY just mushroomed to stupendous levels. So the debate between Vince and Reggie lovers became a long and arduous journey of threads and posts. To cut to the chase, I would have been happy with RB; I, along with some other posters would have been happy with Mario in trade down. Then, when Texans declared they were going to negotiate with Bush And Mario. Still, I was shocked Texans had reached a contract agreement with Mario. I was not down or angry with Texans passing on Bush. I am hopeful the pick of Mario along with other defensive pickups will greatly upgrade the Texans' defense; therefore their ability to stay in games and even win them.

Honoring Earl 34
05-28-2006, 11:03 PM
:tease: I think we send Bennie Joppru to New Orleans to shake Reggie's hand . Bennie would pass the dreaded Texan 2nd rd. pick jinx to Reggie , he would become injury prone and end the debate .

texan279
05-30-2006, 11:57 PM
uhh, all purpose yards? :homer:

wanna break down williams' game stats too and compare? :spy:

He had a total of 493 kickoff return yards with an average return of 17.6 yards and no TD's. He had 179 punt return yards with an average return of 9.9 and 1 TD. He had 478 receiving yards and averaged 36.8 yards receiving per game and had 2 receiving TD's. Jerome Mathis had 1542 kickoff return yards for an average return of 28.6 yards and 2 TD's. PBuc had 101 punt return yards and an average of 8.4 yards per return and no TD's. DD had 337 receiving yards and had 4 receiving TD's. Mario Williams had 6 games with at least 1 sack, and 3 of those games had 3 sacks or more. He also had 20 tackles for a loss and 55 total tackles on the season.

texman8
05-31-2006, 06:58 AM
uhh, all purpose yards? :homer:

wanna break down williams' game stats too and compare? :spy:

Hey, saints' troll.....How can one compare an offensive and defensive players' stats? That would be so " bush" league. :mario: :fireball:

TEXANRED
05-31-2006, 08:07 AM
I like Bush............That being said I truely hope that he can get into camp on time and get his deal signed. I think that Bush has the athletic and physical skills required to be a star in this league. However, 90% of the game of football is mental.

Having your step father pimp you out, in jeapordy of losing the heisman, possibly costing your alum games and putting the school on probation, losing the overall #1 pick which he stated over and over again that is what he worked for all his life, being picked by NO, a city that is deserted and demolished and in the process of a 10 year rebuild. How much can one person take?

I like the kid. When he said he wanted to be in camp on time and help the city of NO rebuild spiritualy, that was from the heart. I like his personality and think that among the "Its all about me" athletes of today, he is a refreshingly good souled human being.

I hope he does someday become a HOF and hope that he has success. I don't care if people compare Williams to Bush. Its just talk in the end. We needed a pass rush not a running back.

Mr. White
05-31-2006, 08:41 AM
uhh, all purpose yards? :homer:

wanna break down williams' game stats too and compare? :spy:

Yeah, let's compare. Mario Williams doesn't have as many yards as Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush doesn't have as many sacks as Mario Williams.

KingRat
05-31-2006, 09:46 AM
and jerek, where can I get some of Texans official toilet paper?

Cheers for beers everytime Super Mario puts a sack on a quarterback :drool:

psst, the conspiracy theory I heard while out on a job is that the NFL wouldn't allow the Texans to draft Bush or Young as punishment for obviously throwing games at the end of the season:rolleyes: