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DominickDavisFan76
05-15-2006, 04:50 PM
So with us passing on a S or a CB (since we got a B+ I'm glad we passed on a Safety or Corner):redtowel:

Does that mean that Glenn Earl our SS
And C.C Brown our FS?

Our should the texan fans be expecting a decent S in FA.

U4ikrob
05-15-2006, 04:54 PM
I mentioned the same thing after the draft in another column.

My thoughts are they will keep an eye on the waiver wire and will be checking out alot of undrafted talent. The only decent guy on the market at the moment is Ty Law which the patriots are working ahrd to re-sign. I look for the texans to pick up some mroe undrafted types and mix that with looking at the June 1st player cuts by teams to pick up depth in the secondary and we should be ok. I dont see us spending much in FA before camp starts unless a solid DB or Safety gets cut due to salary on June 1st. Like you I still feel we need to add depth at both those positions, but we can field a team at this point. We obviously still have places we can improve on the team, but by and large think the team is set to go to camp at this point and look for the secondary to get some major work in the off-season/draft next year.

Texans_Chick
05-15-2006, 05:03 PM
Kubiak has publicly stated that he believes our secondary is a relative strength on the team.

BTW, check out this fabu article about how BPA is a little overated and how you have to look at the composition of your team to know what makes sense draftwise.

Footballoutsiders: Draft Position (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2006/04/24/ramblings/nfl-draft/3828/)

Here how it is somewhat relevant to your post.

At defensive end and cornerback you pretty much get what you pay for. The elite players are usually gone by the end of round two, but there are plenty useful players available after that. These positions are somewhat intertwined in that a good pass rush can help mask poor cover guys and vice versa. As a result, most teams tend to spend early picks on either one spot or the other according to their defensive philosophy. Teams that neglect both positions are those that either use a 3-4 alignment where linebackers and safeties provide most of the pressure (like Pittsburgh) or have a defense that routinely gets lit up like a Christmas tree (like Arizona and Green Bay).

Tayton
05-15-2006, 07:18 PM
You did not watch Phillip Buchanan.

Kaiser Toro
05-15-2006, 07:25 PM
You did not watch Phillip Buchanan.

Pbuc was not the only one to be exposed last year. However, Pbuc better come to play during training camp as the tape don't lie when one views his matador tackling technique.

ArlingtonTexan
05-15-2006, 07:28 PM
Not that I am satisified with the play of secondary, but in terms of draft pick investment the Texans have put more into the secondary than anyother portion of the team. Dunta, P. Buch, Faggins, Brown, Earl are all young enough to improve and represent 6 draft picks.

Kaiser Toro
05-15-2006, 07:32 PM
Not that I am satisified with the play of secondary, but in terms of draft pick investment the Texans have put more into the secondary than anyother portion of the team. Dunta, P. Buch, Faggins, Brown, Earl are all young enough to improve and represent 6 draft picks.

Good point AT.

Double Barrel
05-15-2006, 08:30 PM
A BIG part of the problem last year was bad schemes. Obviously Kubiak believes this, evidenced by the fact that we are keeping the majority of players in our two weakest areas last year - o-line & secondary.

But games are always won/lost in the trenches, and I do see the logic in a dominant front diminishing the pressure on the secondary. Maybe if we get away from that soft cover 2 (which seemed like a prevent to me), our players will be better utilized to their strengths.

aj.
05-15-2006, 09:47 PM
Worthless factoid of the day.... (I'm a Kelly Jennings fan) ,,, and I was doing some Seahaws reading today:

With Jennings, the Seahawks have used four of their last eight picks in the first and second rounds on defensive backs. With the addition of Peterson at LB, they have a pretty impressive "back seven" all of a sudden.

TexansTrueFan
05-15-2006, 09:58 PM
well if we get more pressure up front than it would make our secondary look and be alot better, i mean when a qb has all day to throw it tends to wear down the D, especially the guys chasing the wrs all around the field.

Malloy
05-16-2006, 02:08 AM
Pbuc was not the only one to be exposed last year. However, Pbuc better come to play during training camp as the tape don't lie when one views his matador tackling technique.

Olé ?

Texans_Chick
05-16-2006, 08:40 AM
Pbuc was not the only one to be exposed last year. However, Pbuc better come to play during training camp as the tape don't lie when one views his matador tackling technique.

OK, I will swim against the group think and make an attempt.....

The Top Reasons Why PBuc will Be Better This Year:

1. Contract Year

2. Better defensive scheme for our personnel. Heck, a better offense will keep the defense off the field and more rested.

3. Better Defensive Line and pass rush

4. Contract Year

5. PBuc knows what people think about his matador thing--he brought it up to Gary Kubiak. As much grief that people heap on him, you would have to think that this is something that he would be working on just from a personal pride standpoint.

6. PBuc seemed to be playing better last year right before he got hurt. Coaches said he was just playing more instead of over thinking.

7. Contract Year

8. DB coach is the same. I am guessing he may have been one of the people recommending the pick up last year and still sees something in him. You would think that PBuc isn't a total scrub and malcontent and uncoachable if he is being kept around. (or maybe it is that he is cheap).

9. Part of the ugliness about PBuc is the way the trade happened. That wasn't any fault of his. If you divorce your feelings for him from what we had to give up to get him, and just judge him as a player, maybe he will be alright. He played poorly at the beginning of the season (like most of the team against good competition), and started getting better and then got hurt. Very few people could live up to the hype of that trade.

10. He must be a pretty good team guy. Uncharacteristically, last year, Bob McNair basically said that the PBuc trade was a mistake and that PBuc was no good. At that point, Buchanon could have trashed the team publicly (it wouldn't have been hard to do), but didn't. This comment is a bit of a stretch, I know, but I do find it interesting and says something to his character.

11. And so that this list can go to 11.....Contract Year (http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/3695470)

Ibar_Harry
05-16-2006, 10:29 AM
OK, I will swim against the group think and make an attempt.....

The Top Reasons Why PBuc will Be Better This Year:

1. Contract Year

2. Better defensive scheme for our personnel. Heck, a better offense will keep the defense off the field and more rested.

3. Better Defensive Line and pass rush

4. Contract Year

5. PBuc knows what people think about his matador thing--he brought it up to Gary Kubiak. As much grief that people heap on him, you would have to think that this is something that he would be working on just from a personal pride standpoint.

6. PBuc seemed to be playing better last year right before he got hurt. Coaches said he was just playing more instead of over thinking.

7. Contract Year

8. DB coach is the same. I am guessing he may have been one of the people recommending the pick up last year and still sees something in him. You would think that PBuc isn't a total scrub and malcontent and uncoachable if he is being kept around. (or maybe it is that he is cheap).

9. Part of the ugliness about PBuc is the way the trade happened. That wasn't any fault of his. If you divorce your feelings for him from what we had to give up to get him, and just judge him as a player, maybe he will be alright. He played poorly at the beginning of the season (like most of the team against good competition), and started getting better and then got hurt. Very few people could live up to the hype of that trade.

10. He must be a pretty good team guy. Uncharacteristically, last year, Bob McNair basically said that the PBuc trade was a mistake and that PBuc was no good. At that point, Buchanon could have trashed the team publicly (it wouldn't have been hard to do), but didn't. This comment is a bit of a stretch, I know, but I do find it interesting and says something to his character.

11. And so that this list can go to 11.....Contract Year (http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/story/3695470)

12. No more Caper's and Fangio's defensive schemes or defensive play calling.

BigBull17
05-16-2006, 11:23 AM
13. No more stand around wiith a thumb up your arse while rushing three slow DTs and Babin using the worst spin ever invented to rush the QB. But im not scared because now :fireball: is gonna put the heat on the opposititon.

done88
05-16-2006, 11:28 AM
14) Mario Williams

Malloy
05-16-2006, 12:05 PM
Most importantly:

15: Contract Year.

chuckm
05-16-2006, 12:24 PM
so here's hoping he has a good year, but not so good that we're suckered into re-signing him to stupid money ....

Meloy
05-16-2006, 12:33 PM
So if Pbuc has an average (not great) year, do the Texans try to resign him at what will probably be a huge increase or let him go? I say bye bye (unless it is a great year) and address corner in 2007.

Ibar_Harry
05-16-2006, 01:30 PM
So if Pbuc has an average (not great) year, do the Texans try to resign him at what will probably be a huge increase or let him go? I say bye bye (unless it is a great year) and address corner in 2007.

PBUC had no coaching in Oakland and he had none here under Capers and staff. Personally, I think you should take a wait and see attitude. You might be surprised. That appears to be what Kubiak and company are saying as well.

Eyeguy
05-16-2006, 01:40 PM
IMO the real threat to the DB's are depth. I submitt that the loss of D. Rob. to a season ending injury would have more effect on this team than the loss of any other player.

TexanFanInCC
05-16-2006, 01:49 PM
WHATS EVERYONES PROB WITH OUR SECONDARY????????

everyone please read this important quote:

"show me a secondary that can't cover, and i'll show you a Defensive front that can't get to the QB"

please read that and take it in to thought, and put that quote against our defense last year and see if any similarities ring y'alls bell.

no pressure on the qb will lead to:

-giving qb time to make popcorn and wait for his receivers to break open
-receivers if covered great by our secondary, will eventually break, once the receiver breaks off his route to because 1. qb is still standing in the pocket 2. receiver simply ran his full route (b/c no pressure on qb so play is still in play) and able to get open.
-if its a deep pass and our safety has to choose which deep receiver he wants to cover to help out our db, well if there is too much time the qb can spot the deep single cover thus our safeties would start to help out as late as possible because he wants to get a jump on the ball but usually by then the receivers have passed the safeties who are suppose to be on top in safety help.


THE END!!!!

thank you! AMEN!

however, our pass rush was better this season as opposed to 2004, yet the secondary racked in more INT's and turnovers in 2004...

SESupergenius
05-16-2006, 02:34 PM
But let's face it, we aren't going to shore up this defense with one draft, even we had drafted all defense in every round. It's going to take 2 years for this team to get back on track and undo what the previous installment of a front office did. Sure we passed on good cb's, but if we didn't we would have passed on someone like Ryans. Pick your poison, we had so many holes to fills it was just impossible to fill them all. We had a very good balance in the draft.

Texans_Chick
05-16-2006, 02:35 PM
PBUC had no coaching in Oakland and he had none here under Capers and staff. Personally, I think you should take a wait and see attitude. You might be surprised. That appears to be what Kubiak and company are saying as well.

If you are an optimist, you might want to attribute it more to scheme and play callling versus coaching.

PBuc is going to have the same position coach as he did last year-Jpn Hoke.

I don't know this as a fact, but he is likely the same guy who was high on him enough to get him here.. (I don't know if Hoke lobbied for PBuc but generally under the previous regime, position coaches had a lot of pull in personnel decisions). Hoke is one of the few holdovers from the old coaching staff.

So, he is going to have the same coaching as last year--the scheme and play calling will be different though.