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cuppacoffee
05-15-2006, 12:03 AM
If this has already been discussed on here I must have missed it.

This is from a draft report on PFW.

66. Houston (from New Orleans) OT Eric Winston, Miami (Fla.)
Very good value in the third round, Winston could turn out to be a steal at this spot and has the potential to develop into a starter at left tackle despite his short arms. He is an ex-tight end with nice feet but did not play at full health as a senior coming off a knee injury and slipped in the draft after rubbing evaluators the wrong way in interviews.

Any word on how he rubbed evaluators the wrong way?

:coffee:

Marcus
05-15-2006, 12:33 AM
Any word on how he rubbed evaluators the wrong way?
Probably the same way that Reggie rubbed Kubiak the wrong way during his interview.:hmmm:

CowboysTexansFan
05-15-2006, 12:40 AM
I have the PFW 2006 Draft Preview. The Preview gave detailed descriptions of each prospect, dividing the information into Notes, Positives, Negatives and Summary. In its description of Winston, under Negatives, it said "[c]an come off as arrogant and rubbed some teams the wrong way during team interviews. Made some insulting remarks to teams at the Combine."

After reading that, I had the same question as you regarding the nature of the "insulting remarks". Perhaps he insulted teams he didn't want to play for...

dtran04
05-15-2006, 12:51 AM
Isn't Drew Rosenhaus his agent?

Runner
05-15-2006, 06:29 AM
I hope he's as good as his (apparent) arrogance makes him appear to think he is. If he could push for and win the starting RT spot from the start, it would make a nice battle for starting RG between McKinney and Weigert. I'd like to have quality depth for a change.

Marcus
05-15-2006, 08:03 AM
Well IMO, unless we're talking about D'Brickashaw Ferguson, I'm not excited about having any rookies starting on the OL this season.

I'm really tired of having throw these rookies to the wolves before they're given a half decent chance to develop. Winston and justice were depth picks, not starting postion picks. If you want to throw them out there at the very beginning before they get a chance to figure out what's going on . . . then get your 'bust' tag ready.

Sincerely,

David Carr

nunusguy
05-15-2006, 08:36 AM
I didn't hear a 610 interview Winston had, but heard a replay of some excerpts from his interview in the last few days and trust me, the guy does
not have a inferiority complex. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said things like
he'd put his game up agianst anybodys game, and he was ready to go out and
prove himself. A lot of the NFL rookies come off as humble, grateful to be
in the league, etc. but this guy has an attitude. I also think he's somewhat
upset about being on the Board until the 3rd round, given that at one time he
was thought to be a solid 1st rounder.
Now I dunno, maybe that did rub some people wrong ?
The big concern about Winston is whether or not he's fully recoverd from
his knee injury he suffered back in 2004 ? For example, just a couple months ago in the Senior Bowl game in Mobile, he did not look good.

Runner
05-15-2006, 09:04 AM
For example, just a couple months ago in the Senior Bowl game in Mobile, he did not look good.

There is always he chance that he lasted until the 3rd round because all of the professional evaluators picked up on the fact that he wasn't a first or second round talent.

Training camp is going to be fun this year. I agree with Marcus on this one, as I've said previously it is hard for a 3rd round o-lineman to be an immediate rookie contributor. We'll see what his attitude does for his play. Maybe he will surprise me and tear it up.

The Preacher
05-15-2006, 09:16 AM
Well, he gid go the U where humility must not be an emphasis. Let's hope his attitude at least conforms with a team style of play. Unless he is drawing personal fouls which I never heard he had a problem with it can't be too terrible a thing since. Maybe he should go up against Mario in rookie drills and see how big a man he is. :thud: That should help bring him back to earth. I have a feeling Mario may be able to just stiff arm him though with the arm length differential. From what I have seen Mario will excel against those type of linemen.

TexanFan881
05-15-2006, 09:19 AM
I don't think that his attitude will be that big of a problem for us. He's just got to go out there and let his talent do the talking, not his mouth.

beerlover
05-15-2006, 09:27 AM
two years ago Eric Winston was considered the top Left tackle prospect in College Football, then at the beginning of the 2004 season he tore his acl & did not play another down until 2005. ok so he lost his lateral flexibility & some speed but he sill stacks up well with the best in the class of 06, his hand punch, frame & overall technique is as refined as anyone, as he stated.

sure I'd be pissed or you would be pissed if you slipped all the way from a top 10 pick to a 3rd rd. pick due to an injury beyond your control. but herein lie's the rub, offensive linemen don't get the respect that other skilled positions receive unless beyond a shawdow of a doubt your a franchise Left Tackle. In two or three years if he continues to rehab his knee I feel he still has the chance to be that franchise LT.

but here is what frustrated him & caused him to slip- measureables. Yes the same measureables that rose Mario Williams & Vernon Davis to soar affected some players like Winston the opposite. so what if he has short arms & a narrow base compared for instance to D'Brickashaw or even Davin Joseph? the guy in his prime played on a dominant program, with superior talent and performed at a Pro-Level even after coming back from acl injury. My guess is this would put a chip on anyones shoulder that would come across loud & clear interviewing him, but luckily for the Texans he will come into camp ready to prove himself and all those teams who overlooked him because of his short arms & cocky attitude :bowser:

gsbtxn
05-15-2006, 09:29 AM
I heard him saying in an interview that he was looking forward to going against Mario in practice so that they can help make each other better. There was nothing that I heard in that interview that would have made me say he had an attitude problem. He takes pride in helping his quarterback stay on his feet.

nunusguy
05-15-2006, 10:03 AM
I heard him saying in an interview that he was looking forward to going against Mario in practice so that they can help make each other better. There was nothing that I heard in that interview that would have made me say he had an attitude problem.
That's not the same interview I'm referring to in my earlier post. And I'm familiar with the interview you are referring to here. But trust me, 2 different interviews.
Couple things - I don't have a problem if the guy has a big mouth and I don't think the NFL people do either. I think the concern about him still centers
around his knee injury, because he was not impressive when I saw him play
last year nor this year in the Senior Bowl, but by all reports he was so impressive in 2003 & before his injury in 2004 he was expected to come out
early after 2004 and probably go in the first round of the 2005 Draft.
Now for his sake and ours, maybe he'll be completely recovered and turn out
to be a stud tackle for us. Maybe even our franchise LT we've been looking
for, 'cause our franchise sure deserves a streak of good fortune at that
position.

TheOgre
05-15-2006, 10:20 AM
He played at The U. It seems like most of the guys that graduate from there have a superiority complex and are not humble. AJ is the exception, of course.

gsbtxn
05-15-2006, 10:47 AM
Yeah, I was referring to an interview on 790. Sorry if I was unclear...

Hulk75
05-15-2006, 11:19 AM
I didn't hear a 610 interview Winston had, but heard a replay of some excerpts from his interview in the last few days and trust me, the guy does
not have a inferiority complex. I'm paraphrasing here, but he said things like
he'd put his game up agianst anybodys game, and he was ready to go out and
prove himself. A lot of the NFL rookies come off as humble, grateful to be
in the league, etc. but this guy has an attitude. I also think he's somewhat
upset about being on the Board until the 3rd round, given that at one time he
was thought to be a solid 1st rounder.
Now I dunno, maybe that did rub some people wrong ?
The big concern about Winston is whether or not he's fully recoverd from
his knee injury he suffered back in 2004 ? For example, just a couple months ago in the Senior Bowl game in Mobile, he did not look good.
He ran a 4.8 or 4.9 at the combine, I think his knee is fine.
I am glad he his high on him self and says what he wants, I would rather have a OLINEMAN like that then the passive kind, your job as a OLineman is not to make friends with the other team.

Hervoyel
05-15-2006, 11:29 AM
He ran a 4.8 or 4.9 at the combine, I think his knee is fine.
I am glad he his high on him self and says what he wants, I would rather have a OLINEMAN like that then the passive kind, your job as a OLineman is not to make friends with the other team.

Ditto. I think an injection of "attitude" might be good for our offensive line. I trust Mike Sherman knows how to keep that from getting out of hand. In the meantime it will be nice to see someone out there with a little swagger to their step as opposed to the hunched over and apologizing to the QB look we have been seeing on the field and the downcast eyes we get in postgame interviews.

I want Seth Wand to hang out with this guy. I want him to base the rest of his life on Eric Winstons teachings.

66cobra
05-15-2006, 11:54 AM
He ran a 4.8 or 4.9 at the combine, I think his knee is fine.
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He also had a very good, if not great (for O-Linemen), short shuttle time if I am not mistaken..

nunusguy
05-15-2006, 12:42 PM
I'm aware of Winston's 4.9 40, which is impressive, but sorry guys I'm not buying it.
Before his injury in 2004, Winston was rated so highly that a lot of people had
him being takin as a top 10 overall if he came out as a junior in the 2005 Draft. I don't know if Ferguson was even ranked as high as Winston back then ? But after the injury, whole different story.
There was no less than 7 tackles, even not so highly rated players like Jeremy Trueblood and Andrew Whitworth who wouldn't have been mentioned in the same sentence with Winston pre injury, who were drafted ahead of the U tackle this year.
And he drops all the way to the third round ! Maybe the knee is OK now, but
IMO that only means something else is amiss with the guy ? Unless he was just totally overrated to begin with, and teams finally discounted him all the
way to his real value. Another theory would be he's not really tackle material, but could be an NFL guard ?

Ibar_Harry
05-15-2006, 12:45 PM
I'm aware of Winston's 4.9 40, which is impressive, but sorry guys I'm not buying it.
Before his injury in 2004, Winston was rated so highly that a lot of people had
him being takin as a top 10 overall if he came out as a junior in the 2005 Draft. I don't know if Ferguson was even ranked as high as Winston back then ? But after the injury, whole different story.
There was no less than 7 tackles, even not so highly rated players like Jeremy Trueblood and Andrew Whitworth who wouldn't have been mentioned in the same sentence with Winston pre injury, who were drafted ahead of the U tackle this year.
And he drops all the way to the third round ! Maybe the knee is OK now, but
IMO that only means something else is amiss with the guy ? Unless he was just totally overrated to begin with, and teams finally discounted him all the
way to his real value. Another theory would be he's not really tackle material, but could be an NFL guard ?

A lot of people were saying short arms equated to a guard, not a tackle. For us that's ok as we need both and Wiegert is getting up in years. Wade is simply not what we need, so Winston probably fills more than one spot we have need at.

Hulk75
05-15-2006, 12:48 PM
I have hurt my knee in football, not as bad as his but I still tweeked the tendends pretty good, if he can hurt his knee like he did and play a full season on it and then go to the combine and run as fast as he did and cut and go like he did in the shuttle, then that shows me that he his doing just fine.
His knee ever going to be the same, probably not but I think it could be around 90% the rest of his career if he takes good care of himself.

TommyS
05-15-2006, 01:15 PM
[QUOTE=Ibar_Harry]A lot of people were saying short arms equated to a guard, not a tackle. QUOTE]

i'm confused as to where all this talk of short arms comes from...

from NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN.com
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/ericwinston.html

Strengths:
Has excellent size with long arms and the frame to pack on some additional weight...Extremely athletic and quick for the position...Has amazing feet...Mobility is outstanding...Can pull and block in space...Competitive and physical...Uses his hands well and has a good initial punch...Very smart and a hard worker with top intangibles...Gets better each game and still has a ton of upside and potential

where did this come from? i'm not saying its incorrect, but it never got mentioned before the draft that he had short arms...(that i saw anyway)

nunusguy
05-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Projected Starters
- OT Reggie Youngblood, Soph.
It'll be up to Youngblood to take over Eric Winston's spot on the left side. At 6-5 and 310 pounds, he has the size along with the long arms to grow into a strong pass blocker after playing in eight games as a true freshman. He was one of the team's top recruits last year and now he has to start playing like it.
http://www.collegefootballnews.com/acc/2006_Previews/Miami_offense.htm
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Please excuse the digression, but this thread about Winston gives me an
opportunity to put a plug in for his successor at Miami. This guy was one
of the top 10 or 15 players being recruited by all the big name schools last
year, and it looks as if he's going to bypass a reshirt year and become the
LT at Miami this fall. Therefor, look for him in the 2008 NFL Draft if he reaches his potential. And he's local, from Boot T. Washington H.S. here in
Houston.

Ibar_Harry
05-15-2006, 01:49 PM
[QUOTE=Ibar_Harry]A lot of people were saying short arms equated to a guard, not a tackle. QUOTE]

i'm confused as to where all this talk of short arms comes from...

from NFLDRAFTCOUNTDOWN.com
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/ericwinston.html

Strengths:
Has excellent size with long arms and the frame to pack on some additional weight...Extremely athletic and quick for the position...Has amazing feet...Mobility is outstanding...Can pull and block in space...Competitive and physical...Uses his hands well and has a good initial punch...Very smart and a hard worker with top intangibles...Gets better each game and still has a ton of upside and potential

where did this come from? i'm not saying its incorrect, but it never got mentioned before the draft that he had short arms...(that i saw anyway)

Sorry, I believe you are correct. Its Spencer who they are trying at LT who has the short arms. Winston who one would think would be the more likely candidate is not.

beerlover
05-15-2006, 01:49 PM
[QUOTE=Ibar_Harry]A lot of people were saying short arms equated to a guard, not a tackle. QUOTE]

i'm confused as to where all this talk of short arms comes from...

where did this come from? i'm not saying its incorrect, but it never got mentioned before the draft that he had short arms...(that i saw anyway)

the combine I believe, he measured out with arm length of 32 1/4 ". as oppossed to D'Brickashaw 35 1/2" or Davin Joseph 35 1/4". just the facts does not mean he cannot eventually get his quickness back and play LT :twocents:

El Tejano
05-15-2006, 01:51 PM
Sounds to me like we may have a Kyle Turley on our team but with better attitude and better talent.

Maddict5
05-15-2006, 01:52 PM
I'm aware of Winston's 4.9 40, which is impressive, but sorry guys I'm not buying it.
Before his injury in 2004, Winston was rated so highly that a lot of people had
him being takin as a top 10 overall if he came out as a junior in the 2005 Draft. I don't know if Ferguson was even ranked as high as Winston back then ? But after the injury, whole different story.
There was no less than 7 tackles, even not so highly rated players like Jeremy Trueblood and Andrew Whitworth who wouldn't have been mentioned in the same sentence with Winston pre injury, who were drafted ahead of the U tackle this year.
And he drops all the way to the third round ! Maybe the knee is OK now, but
IMO that only means something else is amiss with the guy ? Unless he was just totally overrated to begin with, and teams finally discounted him all the
way to his real value. Another theory would be he's not really tackle material, but could be an NFL guard ?

meh i wouldn't get too worried about it..alot of nfl guys are sheep and use your type of thinking ie- 'they passed on him cos of his injury, we better do the same'....its happened to alot of players- teams passing on talent due to other issues..some that come to mind are willis mcgahee, justice and randy mos(attitude not injury)

beerlover
05-15-2006, 01:56 PM
[QUOTE=TommyS]

Sorry, I believe you are correct. Its Spencer who they are trying at LT who has the short arms. Winston who one would think would be the more likely candidate is not.

Spencer measured out @ 33 7/8" almost 34" not exactly short, almost two inches longer than Winstons :cool:

Vinny
05-15-2006, 02:12 PM
Quick feet and athleticism are far more important than two inches of arm length for zone blockers. He may not be an ideal lineman for a traditional line, but Atlanta, Denver and all the other zone blocking teams look for guys who are quick and can get to the second level and be athletic enough to have good knee bend and be able to get down and cut block. I think he will be fine...and I'm not worried about his knees. It may take him two camps/years to get up to NFL speed though...but that's common for 3rd rounders.

Meloy
05-15-2006, 02:19 PM
From what I understand Kubes and the Oline coach are looking for Seth Wand to be the left OT for the future. McClain had a short piece on Sunday how two different coaches look at same player & see different things. Man if Wand could pull it together & Pitts could play L guard, McKinney could go to right guard... That would be great. Give new guys some time to break in.

SESupergenius
05-15-2006, 02:22 PM
Please inject some attitude into this team, we need it. I love a nasty streak from an offensive lineman. I don't want him to start right away either, but if he progresses well during camp then I have no problem with that. He was a projected 1st rounder, I think we got a good steal in the draft.

beerlover
05-15-2006, 02:54 PM
Quick feet and athleticism are far more important than two inches of arm length for zone blockers.

I don't feel its a big deal either, just want the facts to be correct for our fellow Texan fans :)

Also it backs up my theory that when the draft finally arrives, the scouts put too much emphasis on measureables instead of actual game footage/results on the field of play. that is the reason Demeco & Winston slipped not the fact that either was not a top rated player at their respective positions :twocents:

Hulk75
05-15-2006, 02:56 PM
Quick feet and athleticism are far more important than two inches of arm length for zone blockers. He may not be an ideal lineman for a traditional line, but Atlanta, Denver and all the other zone blocking teams look for guys who are quick and can get to the second level and be athletic enough to have good knee bend and be able to get down and cut block. I think he will be fine...and I'm not worried about his knees. It may take him two camps/years to get up to NFL speed though...but that's common for 3rd rounders.
Case Closed that is pretty much 80% of what you need to play Line, I agree....If you have the longest arms ever and you cant move your feet, you dont have a shot, no chance.