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Bamaborn-Texasbred
05-12-2006, 02:33 PM
This offseason has been so good that our defensive backfield has gone from this team's biggest strength (IMO) to probably it's weakest link. None of the personnell have changed. I don't think our secondary is terrible. So, that to me says a whole lot about just how good a job the Texans did this offseason.

On paper, this looks like the most improved team in football. Granted that isn't hard to do as bad as they were last year, but Bob McNair, Kubiak and company have managed to get me all pumped up about football and it is only May! I can't wait to get my season ticket package in the mail. I hope we get something other than a pen and leather binder this year. Perhaps a banner, hat, or t-shirt this time around.

El Tejano
05-12-2006, 02:54 PM
Man, I love my binder.

Anyways, I think it is time for everyone to start praying that for once, injuries remove themselves from our team.

bdiddy
05-12-2006, 02:57 PM
I think our backfield is average. I think would could improve at the FS position and Earl has a hard time staying healthy at the SS position.

Obviously, Dunta is a top 5 DB in the league. I think we can get more out of Buchanon. If we scheme our coverage to take advantage of his strengths and not weaknesses, he could be a legit second corner. This would also allow Faggins to move the the third CB position where he would then become above average.

We could use some more depth.

TexanFan881
05-12-2006, 03:29 PM
Every time I look at who we have at DB the more satisfied I become. I think Buchanon will step up and be a solid or above average #2 and Faggins will be a very solid #3 for us. :thumbup

kiwitexansfan
05-12-2006, 05:56 PM
Obviously, Dunta is a top 5 DB in the league.

Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.

dwilt72
05-12-2006, 06:03 PM
This offseason has been so good that our defensive backfield has gone from this team's biggest strength (IMO) to probably it's weakest link.

You've gotta be $%^&*%^&* kidding me! Anyone remember the Rams game (10 point lead with 30 secs left) and the Baltimore game?

YoungTexanFan
05-12-2006, 06:26 PM
This would also allow Faggins to move the the third CB position where he would then become above average.

Scratch that...Faggins as our #3 CB would still make him slightly below average comparitavly through the league.

Brandon420tx
05-12-2006, 06:27 PM
Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.
The only reason Dunta didn't make the probowl is that in the last weak of voting he was overtaken by a more-well known star.

kiwitexansfan
05-12-2006, 07:59 PM
The only reason Dunta didn't make the probowl is that in the last weak of voting he was overtaken by a more-well known star.

A large portion of the vote is taken by Coaches and the like is it not?? Popular opinion is just a part of the vote. Oh yeah and you get well known by making plays.

Samer
05-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Yeah your right in that you get well known by making plays, but most QB's have been going to the other side of the field and away from Robinson making it hard for him to make plays, now if we have more of a legit #2 CB, then he will be forced to defend the ball more and will show you just how good he is

LORK 88
05-12-2006, 08:21 PM
A large portion of the vote is taken by Coaches and the like is it not?? Popular opinion is just a part of the vote. Oh yeah and you get well known by making plays.

Fans still control 1/3 of the voting. Hell, Monty Reagor was leading the DT fan voting, whats that tell you about fan ignorance. Also, the fact that your basing his entire career thus far on pro bowls isnt the best idea . . .

wicked_wayz
05-12-2006, 10:09 PM
well think about it we had no effective pass rushers and the other teams qb kept hitting 2 either buchanna or faggins and yet DR still made plays

and now thanks to FA and the draft our Dline has improved majorly and will able to put way more pressure on the QB whch will result in our DB bein better.

run-david-run
05-12-2006, 10:46 PM
I would say that linebackers are currently our worst position. Little to no depth at MLB, a rookie and Orr at strongside and Greenwood/Wong (minus the knee ligaments) at weakside linebacker. The secondery is below average but very young and fast. Hopefully, like the rest of the team, they will get better as the season goes on.

Trap_Star
05-12-2006, 11:33 PM
Does anybody know if Aaron Glenn is still a cowboy? I would'nt mind bringing him back as a nickel corner.:lightbulb: Maybe he can get into P-Buc's head and teach him how to be real pro.

bdiddy
05-13-2006, 08:11 AM
Not trying to just be a hater here but can you please justify this call. He has never been to a probowl. Which makes him unlikely to be a top 5 DB in the AFC. And that is assuming you are talking top 5 corner and not DB's in general.

He has been our best defender but we have been an awful defensive team.

Dunta has only been in the league 2 years, unless your Jerome Mathis, it is pretty hard to make it to the pro bowl at such a young age. Trust, he is regarded as the best "young" corner in the league. He, like the whole team, did not play as well as he could have last year. I predict he makes his first pro bowl this year.

fastpitchwoof
05-13-2006, 10:30 AM
Our DBs were pretty good last year without a pass rush. Now we are going to have a pass rush which will make the DBs even better. We should be able to get off the field on 3rd downs now and that puts the ball back into the offenses hands. I like our offense with Carr, DD (and all of the other backs), AJ and Moulds, the improved O-Line and a host of TEs.

We will not be a threat to win the Super Bowl but I think if everything goes well we could be knocking on the door of the playoffs.

Tayton
05-13-2006, 10:42 AM
Our DBs were lousy last year. Other offenses avoided D Rob and threw directly at Buchanan. Yes we had no pass rush so average DB would get beat with double moves. Buchanan got beat from the line of scrimmage. He gives too much cushion and cannot close or tackle. Buchanan may be a good Nickle Back where he can gamble, have help, and make plays, but I pray he does not start.

BuffSoldier
05-13-2006, 10:46 AM
Does anybody know if Aaron Glenn is still a cowboy? I would'nt mind bringing him back as a nickel corner.:lightbulb: Maybe he can get into P-Buc's head and teach him how to be real pro.

I saw Aaron Glenn at Home Depot like 4 days ago.

BigTimeTexanFan
05-13-2006, 10:56 AM
DRob outplayed AGlenn his rookie year

Marcus
05-13-2006, 11:04 AM
The biggest falsehood I see when the secondary is discussed it this:

"Yeah, we couldn't get pressure on the QB, but . . .

Isn't that like saying, "Yeah, the OL couldn't protect Carr, but . . .

There are no "buts".

If the front 7, which has been dramatically addressed this offseason, even more than some of you liked, can do something that they have never consistantly done in their 5 year existance . . . actually put pressure on the opposing QB . . .

. . . you will see just how good our secondary is.

sakebomb
05-13-2006, 11:08 AM
Your DB's are going to look horrible if you can't put pressure on the QB. You can't cover a WR for five seconds and expect to stay with him. The opposition had multiple times where the QB just waited and waited and waited until someone got open. Hopefully #90 will take care of that. :redtowel:

YoungTexanFan
05-13-2006, 11:16 AM
Dunta has only been in the league 2 years, unless your Jerome Mathis, it is pretty hard to make it to the pro bowl at such a young age. Trust, he is regarded as the best "young" corner in the league. He, like the whole team, did not play as well as he could have last year. I predict he makes his first pro bowl this year.

Deangalo Hall is a better CB, they were drafted the same year, but Hall is better now, and will be a better pro. I do think Daunta is good though, just try not to be such a homer when looking around the league.

Brandon420tx
05-14-2006, 10:33 AM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2588&section=N%20Latest%20News
Does this Curtis guy have a shot at FS?

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=186

kiwitexansfan
05-14-2006, 05:01 PM
Fans still control 1/3 of the voting. Hell, Monty Reagor was leading the DT fan voting, whats that tell you about fan ignorance. Also, the fact that your basing his entire career thus far on pro bowls isnt the best idea . . .

Yes fans are dumb and baised, I have always said that.

My argument isn't that D-Rob isn't a good corner. My argument was that you can't say he is a top-5 DB in this league.

TexanFan881
05-14-2006, 05:15 PM
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2588&section=N%20Latest%20News
Does this Curtis guy have a shot at FS?

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/roster_detail.php?PRKey=186

I think he can make the team but I don't see him getting much playing time for us. I'm high on him because he has done a great job in NFLE but some people think NFLE success cannont translate into any NFL success.