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TexanFan80
05-11-2006, 06:41 PM
just incase u didnt see it in the houston chronicle and what is yalls top 5 best and worst moves made by Charile Casserly

BEST MOVES BY CHARLIE CASSERLY

1. Domanick Davis RB
4th round pick 2003
has averaged more than 1000 yards rushing in 3 seasons

2. Dunta Robinson CB
1st round 2004
some thought he was too small to be picked in top 10

3. Demarcus Faggins CB
6th round 2002
a valuable reserve who became a valuable starter

4. Chester Pitts G
2nd round 2002
hasnt missed one play at tackle or guard in 4 seasons

5. Steve McKinney G
unrestricted free agent 2002
teams first free agent has been solid at center and guard





WORST MOVES MADE BY CHARLIE CASSERLY

1. Tony Hollings RB
2nd round 2003
either injuried or ineffective over his 3 seasons

2. Phillip Buchanon CB
Trade 2005
cost second and third round picks last season and was terrible last season

3. Tony Boselli OT
2002 expansion draft
first player picked in expansion draft never played because of bad shoulder

4. Charlie Hill NT
3rd round 2002
Lasted one year as a backup before being waived out of the league

5. Bennie Joppru TE
2nd round 2003
hasnt played or practiced because of injuries

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 06:45 PM
Did an intern write that list or was it taken off the wire?

the wonger need food
05-11-2006, 06:48 PM
Worst move... hiring Dom Capers.

aj.
05-11-2006, 06:54 PM
My comments on this are in the McClain thread.

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 07:19 PM
I think Demarcus Faggins should be number one considering he was a 6th round pick and was our #2 CB last year. That was a great steal in that years draft.

AlexVanderpool
05-11-2006, 07:31 PM
Tony Boselli was not a bad move, imo. he gave in instant amount of credibility and marketing power to an infantile franchise and he allowed us to get gary walker and seth payne.

The worst move by far, imo, was trading the almost our entire draft for Jason Babin. That was a time when we were improving, an needed young starters/ depth at many positions.

McKinney has been anything but solid at center. he was one of the biggest liabilities last year on the line, until he was moved to guard.

Double Barrel
05-11-2006, 07:40 PM
Many forum posters could have written a MUCH better list than this. The Chronicle should be ashamed for employing such poor writing...but they're not what they used to be when real competition was around.

Scooter
05-11-2006, 09:06 PM
mckinney's on the list because he's always available for interview. faggins is on the list simply because of how bad we are. boselli was a good pick at the time because there was a small possibility that he could play, and jacksonville freed up guys that we were targeting in agreement for taking boselli. they did get a couple right though, albeit probably dumb luck.

BEST MOVES

1. Domanick Davis. hard to argue this one when your 4th rounder becomes rookie of the year, and has so much potential. if/when he stays healthy, he's a consistant 1300-1500yd guy who's also solid catching out of the backfield.

2. Dunta Robinson. although it was a no-brainer that we were taking dunta at this pick, the chants to trade up for sean taylor, robert gallery, & larry fitzgerald were impossible to ignore. we stayed our course, and IMO got the best player from the 2004 draft. the 10th pick in the draft, in such a risky position (CB) isnt supposed to step in right away and not only dominate, but also be the team leader on defense in his 2nd season.

3. Chester Pitts. the only bright spot on our offensive line. as a 2nd round pick, can play anywhere across the line and looks to be a fixture on this team for the long haul.

4. Jerome Mathis. this is really marciano's pick, but casserly got him. casserly was apparently receptive to the intel from his coaches and trusted their judgement when saying that this kid has untold athletic potential. i've personally never been more impressed with a kick returner, not because of his stats, but because he moves quickly forward without dancing and his eyes are always up the field. a 4th round rookie in the probowl solidifies that point.

5. Mario Williams. boom or bust, mario's going to be casserly's legacy because again he trusted his coaches on what's going to win games, and from all reports, this was in agreement on this player before even talking to kubiak. while mario's performance will affect hindsight, it wont detract from the fact that coach & GM were on the same page and building this team the right way. going so blatently against public opinion, when certain that it's in the best interest of winning games, despite being barbequed for it, gets bonus points in my book.

WORST MOVES

1. Dom Capers. solid defensive coordinator, proved that he cant win as a head coach without a stacked deck. also proved that he's not talented at stacking the deck in his favor. with kubiak lobbying strongly for the job (and brought in after dom's faceplant), there were certainly better options for the job. one of several times that casserly made his decision without proper research.

2. Phillip Buchannon. 4 game tapes. i dont care if he's dwight freeney, you dont trade multiple first day draft picks for a player you know nothing about. the casual observer across the league will tell you that p-burnt is a very athletic bust. if after heavy studies the front office still thought there was enough potential to justify acquiring this player who'd struggled so much, multiple first day picks is highway robbery.

3. Jason Babin. i dont believe for a second that babin was so highly touted that it was a do or die to trade up for a tweener. what pushes this one into one of the worst trades i've seen, is that it's with a division rival. not only did we reach heavily, on a player out of position in the first round, we gave a division rival 2 early first day picks in the process. (for the record, i like babin & think he's going to be a great DE, but that has no bearing on his draft day)

4. Offensive Line. yes, we sprinkled in a couple guys in hopes that they'd assist, but we made no legitimate effort to shore up one of the most pathetic areas on a team in NFL history. in our innagural season we broke the wrong sack record, and until this offseason, havent made an effort to correct it.

5. Contracts. wow. while i praised casserly earlier for trusting his coaches, he again has failed to meet expectations by granting average players top tier salaries. morlon greenwood, todd wade, steve mckinney, mark bruener, jeb putzier, & gary walker, among others, have been paid much more than their resume's warranted. as the GM, it's his call on who & how much ... a job that he seemingly passed off to the underlings and just gave his stamp of approval blindly.

TheRealJoker
05-11-2006, 09:53 PM
I could make a whole new top 5 list of worst moves without even mentioning the ones they did. Shows how bad he screwed up our first 4 seasons imo :brickwall

Grid
05-12-2006, 02:44 AM
Im fine with the top 5.. bottom 5 would be

1. Tony Hollings
2. Charles Hill
3. Dom Capers
4. The Babin Trade
5. Phillip Buchanan


Boselli wasnt a bad move. Joppru had no injury history and passed all his physicals.. the fact that he has never taken a snap has nothing to do with anything that Casserly did. Injuries to a player after they have been drafted, when the player had no history of injury, or reason to be injured, cannot be blamed on the GM.

HJam72
05-12-2006, 03:09 AM
5. Contracts. wow. while i praised casserly earlier for trusting his coaches, he again has failed to meet expectations by granting average players top tier salaries. morlon greenwood, todd wade, steve mckinney, mark bruener, jeb putzier, & gary walker, among others, have been paid much more than their resume's warranted. as the GM, it's his call on who & how much ... a job that he seemingly passed off to the underlings and just gave his stamp of approval blindly.

That's a much better list and that #5 has me glad Casserly's leaving now. I've forgotten all about the money part of it while we've been discussing his legacy in other threads.

Grid
05-12-2006, 05:47 AM
Did Casserly do the negotiating though? I believe we have someone specifically in charge of contract negotiations.

aj.
05-12-2006, 07:28 AM
Did Casserly do the negotiating though? I believe we have someone specifically in charge of contract negotiations.

Ferens did the specific contract negotiations but he didn't act alone when it came to cost. He was working within a framework that was set by McNair and Casserly.

When it came to decisions such as giving up draft picks like on the Buchanon and Babin deals, that was Casserly's decision, based on the "how bad do you want him Dom and Vic?" question and input from Ferens on how the transaction affects the cap number.

ATX_Texan
05-12-2006, 08:44 AM
The worst move has to be hiring Dom Capers. If CC is going to pass the blame for the draft busts (Babin, Travis Johnson, etc.), the trades (PBuc), and the excessive salaries (Greenwood) on "just doing what the coaches wanted", then he is to be blamed for hiring (and then keeping) a coach that made so many blunders. I guess CC can just blame Capers for not asking to be fired?

I still disagree with this whole notion that CC was merely acting under Capers' orders and therefore he was blameless for the horrible team that was on the field last year. I agree with the following quote from this linked ESPN article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2440388

Casserly never had the only word on football matters over the last six years. But, until recently, he typically had the last word. And when a team finishes last in the league, and first in the draft order, the guy with the last word eventually is held accountable.

Texan in Japan
05-12-2006, 09:01 AM
I think one of the worst moves was getting rid of Aaron Glenn.

TheOgre
05-12-2006, 10:56 AM
BEST MOVES

1. Dominick Davis - I have been a real critic of his, but he was a steal in the 4th round. Despite the fact that CC didn't know what he had, it was a great selection nonetheless (kind of like the Pats getting credit for Brady in the 6th. If they thought he was THAT good wouldn't they have taken him earlier?)

2. Demarcus Faggins - A 6th round guy that has stuck around as a nickel back and started some? Nice find.

3. Jerome Mathis - A raw talent in the 4th round. Made the Pro Bowl as a return specialist his first season. Has potential to be a good WR too.

4. CC Brown - the guy was a 6th round selection yet started most of the year at safety (some SS and some FS). Nice late round find.

5. Seth Wand - Say what you want about this guy, but he has started and finally looks like he might get a chance to show his skills. If he can be even a mediocre LT in the NFL, he was a steal where we drafted him. I think the new coaching staff will make good use of him.



WORST MOVES

1. Tony Hollings - the guy played 4 games as a RB in college against substandard teams and we used a 2nd rounder on him? We shouldn't have spent a first day pick on this guy at all. A 4th is the MOST they should have spent.

2. Phillip Buchanon - They made a hasty decision and didn't do enough homework. Even if we were confident that we could make something out of this guy, why give the Raiders the equivalent of a 1st round pick for a guy who hadn't played anywhere near it for 3 seasons? At worst we should have given them a low 2nd rounder (traded down Falcons style)...at worst.

3. Jason Babin - Even if this guy had turned out to be everything he was supposed to be, we gave too much up to a division rival to get him. The fact that he hasn't played up to his billing just adds to it.

4. Unnecessary Contract Extensions - We repeatedly give extensions to guys that we get rid of soon afterwards like Eric Brown, Billy Miller, Gary Walker, and others.

5. First few days of FA - We overpaid for mediocre to bad talent with Greenwood, Wade, and possibly Weaver. I'm sure there are others but these three came to mind.

Note: I don't know how ANYONE could blame Casserly for Joppru. He had no history of injuries and has had the worst injury luck I have seen since Ken Griffey Jr.

Scooter
05-12-2006, 12:17 PM
I could make a whole new top 5 list of worst moves without even mentioning the ones they did. Shows how bad he screwed up our first 4 seasons imo :brickwall

the bad deffinately outweighs the good, which is obvious with 4 consecutive losing seasons.

releasing glenn & sharper
only 1 of our 19 player expansion draft is still with the team
tony hollings
travis johnson ... johnson was & would've been a bust in the 3-4 and we passed on BPA, who just happened to be at one of our weakest positions, to get him.
matt stevens
david carr ... i like carr, but your franchise quarterback should never be put in such a no-win situation. even if we had to take him, casserly should've put "do not open until 2004" on his jersey.
jermaine lewis
preseason cuts - is it just me or did we make it a habit to release our best preseason performers?

and many more that i'm too hung over to think of

Bamaborn-Texasbred
05-12-2006, 02:47 PM
You guys have pretty much hit all of the bad moves.

I just wanted to stress that after four offseasons Casserley still couldn't put a remotely capable offensive line on the field. That has been the bane of this team's existence from day one, and even though I see promise, the jury is still out on whether or not we will see one next season.

TexansFanatic
05-12-2006, 03:23 PM
What about passing on Clinton Portis for Jabar Gaffney? How does that rank among the "What the *#@*!" moves?

Glacier
05-12-2006, 04:06 PM
I like how no one mentioned Carr as being a bad move over Julius Peppers. :brickwall

Best draft day decision, with out question is Dominack Davis. Everyone likes to talk about Carr not having success as a result of the O line, yet Davis has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard seasons behind that same O Line.

*cues the "Run Blocking is Different than Pass Blocking" denialists.*

gg no re
05-12-2006, 05:46 PM
There is a fundamental difference in run and pass blocking.

In run blocking, you run them over.

In pass blocking, you let them pass you by.

Chicagotexan1
05-12-2006, 05:52 PM
What about passing on Clinton Portis for Jabar Gaffney? How does that rank among the "What the *#@*!" moves?

How about taking Jabar period. He stunk. Average at best, but nothing special. Hollings!! Oh lord, even worse. Joppru - Yeah I know he's been hurt, but he did even less than Hollings. At least Capers had the nads to say why he was out of a job, Cass the @$$ gave us some b/s that this was his desicion. He should have been out a second after Capers.

hollywood_texan
05-12-2006, 07:27 PM
His #1 worst move as Texans GM was accepting the position.

His #1 best move as Texans GM was resigning.

The others really don't matter...

Grid
05-12-2006, 10:01 PM
How about taking Jabar period. He stunk. Average at best, but nothing special. Hollings!! Oh lord, even worse. Joppru - Yeah I know he's been hurt, but he did even less than Hollings. At least Capers had the nads to say why he was out of a job, Cass the @$$ gave us some b/s that this was his desicion. He should have been out a second after Capers.

Watch Gaffney with the Eagles

BigSaint8050
05-12-2006, 10:15 PM
I keep hearing people talk about Travis Johnson, was he that bad? Do you think he will improve in a 4-3? I didn't like the Texans taking him and playing him as a DE in the 3-4, I liked his chances a lot better at a 3-tech DT in a 4-3.

wicked_wayz
05-12-2006, 10:19 PM
I keep hearing people talk about Travis Johnson, was he that bad? Do you think he will improve in a 4-3? I didn't like the Texans taking him and playing him as a DE in the 3-4, I liked his chances a lot better at a 3-tech DT in a 4-3.

yeah he wasn't that good in a 3-4 scheme but now since we switch to a 4-2 i believe travis wud be a far better player than he was last year

SAMURAITEXAN
05-12-2006, 10:19 PM
It's unfair to put Joppru's name on worst pick. No one can predict freaking injuries he had in the past IMO. I just hope Joppru has a chance to prove everyone this year that he was a worthy 2003 2nd rd pick.

kcwilson
05-16-2006, 04:52 PM
From Fox Sports...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67071&type=NotesAndQuotes

QUOTE TO NOTE: "Taking a risk on a guy named Chester Pitts is what I'll remember him for. I was called a stretch. I was called a reach. I think Mel Kiper Jr. said, 'What are the Texans thinking?' He had a lot of picks that panned out well. I think (Casserly) will be remembered for all the good he did." -- OL Chester Pitts on what Casserly will be remembered most for.

Lord I wish that is what Casserly was remembered for... too many negatives really outweigh some positives. He has made some great draft choices but with Babin and the PBuc trade, there have been some huge mistakes.

IMO, his tenure can be summed up as, "If you give a monkey a type writer, eventually it will type a word." He was bound to hit once or twice with the risk picks, but rewards haven't been fruitful enough to warrant all the risks.

humbleone
05-16-2006, 06:57 PM
Worst 5 moves (Players only...not counting coaches)

(1) Tony Hollings - A high "2" for a very unproven RB coming off serious injury.
(2) Philip Buchanon - "can't get a CB like Pbuc in the 2nd or 3rd round"
(3) Jason Babin - Tennessee loved it...gosh I hate to see the budster happy
(4) Charles Hill - another high "3" with nothing to show for it
(5) Dave Ragone - A "3" for a 3rd-2nd string QB instead of other needs

Best 5 moves

(1) DD - better lucky than good but let's give it to him anyway
(2) DRob - best defensive player we've had for the last 2 years IMO
(3) AJ - it didn't take a genius to get this one right
(4) Mathis- nice grab with a "4" but really lucky that he was there
(5) Drew Henson- 6th rounder in '03 traded to Cowgirls in '05 for a "3".

Wolf
05-16-2006, 06:58 PM
I honestly can't pick much.. Carr was a given.. AJ was a given at #3 .

good moves

1) getting Henson and trading for a 3rd (eventually trading that for p-buc along with 2nd which is steep compared to trades last season..don't remember how deep the draft was in 2005)
2) passing on DJ trading down and getting Winston and Travis johnson(if they both pan out time will tell)
3)Stanley at punter
4)DD (hate to put this because for every diamond is coal (Hill)
5)Mathis


Bad moves


1) Pbuck.. this depends on how deep the draft was at that year..(denver got walker for just a 2nd this year).. yet P-buck and his cap hit is nothing right now so if he gets motivated on cap year (I believe we really didn't use his skills right last season , he isn't a zone corner)
2)babin.. was the draft that weak that we had to give up multiple picks? .. I am not saying babin was a bad pick, I think babin will thrive if we have a D_line.. just the way we got him

*edit* if the draft in those respective years were weak, then I can see why we gave up multiple picks and maybe being last draft seemed to have many quality players that is why there seemed like no trades like we did for the 2 names mentioned above

3) charles hill.. the anti-DD... not productive
4)hollings.. one of the boom or bust players that we tried to do
5)Jermaine Lewis... holly cow..guy comes off of a pro-bowl from the ravens and just was horrible.. (I wouldn't say that was casserly's fault on that,because everyone of us would have taken him)

SESupergenius
05-17-2006, 09:46 AM
Casserly's best 5:

1. Picking David Carr. Although he could have traded down to get extra picks, Carr was clearly the best choice outside of Peppers, who of which wasn't going to put into the 3-4 as a linebacker with that high price tag.

2. Dominick Davis. I do however have my suspicions on this one because Capers was selected to be a coach in the Senior Bowl, without that I highly doubt we take him. To me this was more of a Capers pick.

3. Jerome Mathis. This was the only pick in Casserly's history that I said to myself, "that was a great steal".

4. Drafting Drew Henson, then trading him to Dallas for a 3rd round pick. The moon and stars were aligned perfectly to allow this scenario to happen. It wasn't much of a gamble considering we never keep a 6th rounder, so really, it payed off well. (I think, depends how our 3rd rounder holds up)

5. Drafting Aaron Glenn and Jaime Sharper in the expansion draft.




The worst 5:

1. LT Tony Boselli. - Flat out the worst homework any management staff had ever done in evaluating a guy who had 2 surgeries and if you want to believe the conspiracy theorists we got handed Walker and Payne, both of which had considerable playing time in street clothes. Would we have been better off without this deal? In my book yes, our records weren't that great to begin with.

2. RB Tony Hollings - Hold on, I may have to elevate this one as the #1 worst evaluation by a manangement staff. A guy who plays in a few games at the start of the season for the first time in college at running back, goes down with a severe knee injury, hasn't played against good defensive opposition, and gets drafted in the 2nd round, a high 2nd rounder at that. Go figure.

3. Releasing Aaron Glenn & Sharper, and inserting Bu-can-not as the starting CB was the monumental mistake for us in the off season last year, and eventually led to the downfall of all the coaching and management staff. Casserly's addition by subtraction theory didn't really work.

4. I'll go along with AJ on this one, resigning Walker to a big fat huge contract when the guy was in total decline. Now we have to eat that bonus, one year later. Nice planning. We'll find out how hard all these big contracts are going to be next year.

5. Signing Riley, Wade, etc. No big catches in the offensive line department. This is the downfall of Carr, who may or may not be a good QB, but at least give the guy protections to see what you have. IT's year 5 now and we still have no clue.