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beerlover
05-11-2006, 01:26 PM
here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.

gsbtxn
05-11-2006, 01:52 PM
What a moron. There is no such thing as a player with no bust potential.

HoustonFrog
05-11-2006, 01:56 PM
I agree that it is all speculation by these guys. I posted this same thing the other day and this was the quote that stood out to me. Same link

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696

"If Williams is a leader in Houston, it will be a first for him. People around the N.C. State program will tell you Williams had to be pushed to work hard in the weight room, at practice and, most disturbingly, in games. "

Hulk75
05-11-2006, 02:05 PM
I agree that it is all speculation by these guys. I posted this same thing the other day and this was the quote that stood out to me. Same link

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696

"If Williams is a leader in Houston, it will be a first for him. People around the N.C. State program will tell you Williams had to be pushed to work hard in the weight room, at practice and, most disturbingly, in games. "
Well since we cant ask I guess we have to take his word for it...........Give me a break, this guy just does not like him.

Porky
05-11-2006, 02:11 PM
Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.

titan hater
05-11-2006, 02:13 PM
here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.


3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.

Ryan Leaf...Anyone? How about Tim Couch? Russell Mayland? Jeff George? Steve Emtman? Courtney Brown? Ki-Jana Carter? My point is you just don't. know. For every sure bet there are always going to be someone who is a plain ol head case (or injury prone). I would be willing to bet that Williams is going to be great, but the truth is just that...a Bet...

DRAMA
05-11-2006, 02:33 PM
What a moron. There is no such thing as a player with no bust potential.

HEY HEY!! I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT!! I was a can't-miss, no-bust prospect!!

Sincerely,

Tony Mandarich

:)

run-david-run
05-11-2006, 02:43 PM
Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.
How so? How many players are there like Reggie in the NFL? Not many running backs make it on speed and jukes alone. Yes Reggie is great in college and there is a good chance that will transfer to the NFL, but the role Williams' fills translates to the NFL far more frequently then the way Reggie plays. Im not saying that Reggie is going to bust, but I believe there is a better chance for Reggie to bust then for Mario.

beerlover
05-11-2006, 02:45 PM
I guess the only resonable thing to do is cancel my subscription :mario:

lets look at his rules of the draft-

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

false statement don't you think thats flawed from inception?

2. He must have potential for greatness.

again no crystal ball of infalibilty, but certainly even though a DE Bruce Smith was/is considered a great hall of fame player, so I see no reason at lest from a positional standpoint greatness is limited to the RB position & that there is an equal opportunity for each to achieve their destiny.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

lead the defense, win more games? both would help improve this franchise image, not to mention signability down the road when things have turned around and the Texans are in the playoffs year in and year out.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

Is not the Texans crop of RB's one of its strengths? that the Texans are changing schemes to a 4-3 & the fact the Texans have yet to establish a pass rush paramount for dramatic impact?

where have all the good sportswriters gone? somewhere the :lightbulb: is just not coming on :shots:

dalemurphy
05-11-2006, 02:54 PM
Basically the same points I have made. Bush has just as high a ceiling, but also a higher floor. His worst case is still good. Bush, barring injury, has an extremely low chance to be a flat out bust, the kind of Ryan Leaf out of the league in 4 years bust. Williams has an extremely high ceiling, but his floor is much lower as well. While I doubt he busts to that low of floor, his bust potential is still much higher than Bush. Therefore, Bush was the safer pick.


RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?

Porky
05-11-2006, 03:05 PM
RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?

Good points. Excellent counter argument. Having said that, give me Bush, as I see very little bust potential. Nevertheless, you made some valid arguments that deserve to be thought about.

beerlover
05-11-2006, 03:08 PM
RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?

I think they are :crutch:

also which future prospect/star will get the most snaps from scrimmage? doesn't Kubes prefeer RB by committee & while Mario is moving around the line to cause mis-matches and nightmare sceneros for offensive coordinators on every defensive down, Bush will get his 15-18 touches per game :shoot:

HoustonFrog
05-11-2006, 03:44 PM
I think they are :crutch:

also which future prospect/star will get the most snaps from scrimmage? doesn't Kubes prefeer RB by committee & while Mario is moving around the line to cause mis-matches and nightmare sceneros for offensive coordinators on every defensive down, Bush will get his 15-18 touches per game :shoot:

I like Williams and refuse to call anyone a bust at this time. I think the Bush camp though will counter that even though he touches it 15-18 times, he will also be lining up in the backfield and in the slot creating nightmares for D coordinators even when he isn't touching it...thus keeping Carr upright.

TheOgre
05-11-2006, 03:46 PM
With great insight like that, aren't you glad you pay for ESPN Insider?

Double Barrel
05-11-2006, 03:55 PM
When NFL defenders start blowing tackles and generally slow down like the college defenders in all the Bush highlight reels, I might grant that he's a "for sure" pick. Until that happens, though, I'll stick to the firm logic that nobody is guaranteed from being a bust in the NFL until they prove otherwise.

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 03:56 PM
here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.

You can't always just go by one system for many different situations. So if you already have a good RB and you need a pass rush you should draft the RB because the DE has a more logical chance at being a bust. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't agree with the logic he uses.

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

You can try but you can't tell out of college how a player is exactly going to perform. Look at Ki-Jana Carter. In 8 years of football he's on the Saints and has got 1000 career rushing yards. DD practically did that last year and he was injured.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

Doesn't every player in the draft have some potential for greatness?

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

Whoever said a good player had to be a leader? I don't agree with that.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

Doesn't this just prove why we should have taken Mario Williams...?

Mario Williams I think fills out all 4 while Reggie probably is just the first three, which explains exactly why we should have and did pick Super Mario.

He also says we ignored the 1st and 3rd rules. So, maybe Mario was a little bit bigger of a risk. He's stil a great player and was worthy of the first pick. Basically, he's saying the most important rule is to do what is popular with the fans.

Kingsville66
05-11-2006, 04:05 PM
What an ASS! No one ever doubted Mario's work ethic While at NCSU! Had to be pushed in the weight room? What a crock of $hi&! Look at the kids build. My wife's aunt was a teacher in Richlands and taught Mario. She thinks the world of him. She says that he is a hard worker. This same jerk said that Mario was soft because he had had evry thing given to him. Not true. Mario worked at sub ways after shool and on weekends while in highschool. One of the motivating factors for Mario to turn pro early was his desire to take care of his niece & nephew who's father was killed in Iraq.

titan hater
05-11-2006, 04:26 PM
What an ASS! No one ever doubted Mario's work ethic While at NCSU! Had to be pushed in the weight room? What a crock of $hi&! Look at the kids build. My wife's aunt was a teacher in Richlands and taught Mario. She thinks the world of him. She says that he is a hard worker. This same jerk said that Mario was soft because he had had evry thing given to him. Not true. Mario worked at sub ways after shool and on weekends while in highschool. One of the motivating factors for Mario to turn pro early was his desire to take care of his niece & nephew who's father was killed in Iraq.


I heard the same thing...This shows me that we may have picked the right guy. Of Course, time will tell, but at least he isn't going to loose his Trophies for breaking NCAA regs...

GP
05-11-2006, 04:37 PM
The further we get from the draft, and the more of these "Texans should have picked Bush" articles I see...

...The less it becomes about honest journalism and the more it becomes a situation of a vendetta that a guy has against a team (our team, in this case) for not "complying" with what "they" think we should or shouldn't do.

Seriously, my opinion is that Pompei has a man crush on Bush that rivals the man crush some had on Vince Young, and it's getting to the point that it looks a little petty for a writer to publish a story that has been done about a few hundred times over the past few weeks. Some people just get wayyyy too involved with the players they think are good/great.

We are not homers here--we've all had stages of anger against this team--and yet we all pretty much feel that this draft was by far the best draft we've ever had, mostly because of what we can see in terms of CC being out of the loop and a more savvy football guy (Kubiak) working his mojo. And we get graded by several draft experts (Kiper included) with the highest grade, and yet Pompei grades us a "D?" We got a D? Not a B, not a C, ....a D.

He graded us a D because we didn't pick Bush.

Wow. Kinda' makes me wish I had never supported the Bush pick for the past few months. What a psycho.

Kingsville66
05-11-2006, 06:33 PM
When I read that the term " yellow journalism" comes to mind. there isn't a word of truth in Pompei's column. Dan Pomei is a liar and a fraud.

Bob_A
05-11-2006, 07:13 PM
The guy is next to useless as a journalist. The Sporting News lost its relevence many years ago.

.........and I'm f'ing tired of these secondguessing the draft articles.....:brickwall

Double Barrel
05-11-2006, 07:46 PM
The further we get from the draft, and the more of these "Texans should have picked Bush" articles I see...

...The less it becomes about honest journalism and the more it becomes a situation of a vendetta that a guy has against a team (our team, in this case) for not "complying" with what "they" think we should or shouldn't do.


Great post, man, and I agree with you. It was interesting to read people's opinions in the first week after the draft, but now it's old news and sour grapes as far as I'm concerned. :loser

TexanFan881
05-11-2006, 07:49 PM
Great post, man, and I agree with you. It was interesting to read people's opinions in the first week after the draft, but now it's old news and sour grapes as far as I'm concerned. :loser

Exactly. It's in the past, the media needs to get over it, and lets move on. Why can't everyone just wait until Reggie and Mario get onto the field. I would like to know what is going on within the organization and Texans football stuff in the media instead of hearing all this RB vs MW debate. Everyone has gotten of it except the media.

jreal26
05-11-2006, 08:15 PM
Exactly. It's in the past, the media needs to get over it, and lets move on. Why can't everyone just wait until Reggie and Mario get onto the field. I would like to know what is going on within the organization and Texans football stuff in the media instead of hearing all this RB vs MW debate. Everyone has gotten of it except the media.

The most telling observation regarding the draft, IMO, is that a so called "once in a lifetime" RB, that is alleged to be the greatest rb prospect in the past 10 to 20yrs, could not get one team willing to trade up to #1 or #2, to gain his services. A running back prospect so coveted ends up going to New Orleans? I was never of the opinion that Bush was the best option for the Texans, and would have loved to see the Texans trade down and still pick up Mario Williams at 4. But not even the Jets were willing to give up 2 first for Reggie. I think Reggie will be an impact player but not to the degree he's been hyped up to be. No sour grapes here, I'm delighted with Mario Williams, IMO, he was easily the second best player in the draft after VY. After the Texans renewed Carr, Mario Williams was always the player I coveted.

TheRealJoker
05-11-2006, 08:40 PM
Williams was said by many different news outlets to be headed to the Saints once the Texans took Bush.

GP
05-12-2006, 01:01 PM
The issue of no team WILLING to complete a trade with us, to take Bush at our spot...let alone at the Saints No. 2 spot, is definitely a telling observation.

That's a pretty big statement by all NFL teams lower than Houston and N.O. that they might think Reggie is a great prospect....but they sure as heck ain't gonna' give up the farm for him. And if he's the type of player we were all told he was, what team WOULDN'T gamble on him? I would have. But I'm not an NFL exec....I'm not an NFL scout....and seems that the remaining teams in the draft past us and N.O. didn't feel right about making the jump.

Thus, drafting Mario at No. 1 was not exactly a "bad" choice.

N.O. swooped in for Bush for (A) Marketing potential, and (B) because they fear being shamed by the media....a shaming that would have been 1,000 times worse than the one we're getting.

Bobo
05-12-2006, 01:48 PM
here is the link http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=90696 agree or disagree?

Where the Texans erred

Mario Williams might turn into Lee Roy Selmon, Reggie White and Andy Robustelli rolled into one, but I still will think the Texans were faulty in their logic to make him the No. 1 pick in the draft.

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

The Texans, in my estimation, prioritized only the second and fourth rules and ignored the third and -- most important -- the first. There is a significant bust factor with Williams, whose performance was erratic at N.C. State. Bush was a safer pick. So were A.J. Hawk, Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Vernon Davis and Michael Huff.

This guy is an idiot if he doesn't think Bush's chances for being a bust are just as great as those of Williams. NFL history is littered with the carcases of "can't miss" prospective RBs. Blair Thomas, Kiyanna Carter, Lawrence Phillips, Archie Griffin and Curtis Enis come to mind.

MikeMc
05-12-2006, 01:59 PM
Has anyone heard about the new "Holding Penalty" rules? I remember hearing it on NFL Network, that the league is going to start being more strict with Holding Calls.

If you ask me, this will become a HUGE advantage for a guy like Mario Williams!!

Bobo
05-12-2006, 02:03 PM
Has anyone heard about the new "Holding Penalty" rules? I remember hearing it on NFL Network, that the league is going to start being more strict with Holding Calls.

If you ask me, this will become a HUGE advantage for a guy like Mario Williams!!

NFL Network? What's that?

Bearfan Blue and Orange
05-12-2006, 02:05 PM
Reggie Bush will be a good RB, maybe a great RB. These days the NFL defenses are getting faster and bigger and stronger. I really do not pay attention to the 40 speed as much as I use to in the past.

Reggie is not giong to be that fast in the NFL with equipment on. Vick thought he was a very fast player in the NFL and thought his legs could take him anywhere until one game he was running and was caught in the open field tackle and realized it was a blue jersey with #54 on it from the Bears. You talk about a shocked look on his face. I loved it.

This is something Bush is going to have to get use to. IF, big IF, he makes it last the DL there are LBs much bigger, faster, and stronger than his college buddies that are going to WANT to be the guy who shuts down "Reggie Bush".

I cannot wait!!!

Bobo
05-12-2006, 02:07 PM
N.O. swooped in for Bush for (A) Marketing potential, and (B) because they fear being shamed by the media....a shaming that would have been 1,000 times worse than the one we're getting.

McAllister had pretty good marketing potential. And I doubt that they are concerned about being "shamed by the media." After all, remember when they traded their whole draft for Rickie Williams? I imagine they are still being "shamed" regarding that! As far as why they picked him, I believe when they heard the Texans were going to take either Willaims or Bush, they simply sat back and said, "Fine with us, we'll take whomever they leave behind." Of course, now they have to sign the guy and they are left with a payroll of close to $100 million for the tailback position -- a position only one guy can play at a time.

phan1
05-13-2006, 02:42 AM
I'm also pretty mad about the attack on Mario's character. If anything, all I've heard about was how great of a guy he is and probably be rated higher than Bush as a stand-up guy. If he does have poor work ethic, than I want to hear about it from someone credible. Give me some sources. Not from a guy who likes to make up crap. This is the only negative comment I have yet to hear reguarding Mario's character. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

rittenhouserobz
05-13-2006, 06:47 AM
The issue of Mario's work ethic. He is 6' 7" of muscle. Now Warren Sapp had a weightroom issue. I am not sure how many sacks he has to have to impress this guy. My geuss is that the reporter's eye's are so jaded by Bush that couldn't see anyone else's accomplishments. He now has 52 million reasons to be a motivated, focused leader.

Now for how willl Reggie be doing. Well he gets to face Tampa's, and Carolina's defense twice a year. (i. e. Julius Peppers and Derrick Brooks) I wish the guy luck.

GP
05-13-2006, 09:14 AM
McAllister had pretty good marketing potential. And I doubt that they are concerned about being "shamed by the media." After all, remember when they traded their whole draft for Rickie Williams? I imagine they are still being "shamed" regarding that! As far as why they picked him, I believe when they heard the Texans were going to take either Willaims or Bush, they simply sat back and said, "Fine with us, we'll take whomever they leave behind." Of course, now they have to sign the guy and they are left with a payroll of close to $100 million for the tailback position -- a position only one guy can play at a time.

So then WHAT was their motivation for picking him? To waste money?

They have a veteran QB (Brees) who has an injury (shoulder) that they don't know for sure will stay healthy. Why not take Vince Young? Why not take Ferguson? Why don't they trade out, even if the compensation is not that great...why don't they do SOMETHING to avoid taking an albatross?

Leaves me to conclude that they took Bush for a lot of reasons NOT connected to football. Yeah, "maybe" he'll produce like he should and he'll take them farther than they've been in the past....maybe. Butin the end, their move to grab Bush was more of a panic move than Houston taking Williams.

DocBar
05-13-2006, 05:35 PM
Lots of good posts on here. It will be very interesting, once the season starts, and we get to hear these same talking heads in the media blabber some more. I think being in the media is a lot like playing cornerback. You have to have a short memory and not remember that last play(or "can't miss draft pick") you completely screwed up. No player in this draft has done a blessed thing yet in the NFL, so noone knows WHAT they will do. IMO, you get your money's worth in the middle rounds(2-4) and hope like hell your #1 pick pans out and is still in the league after 5 or 6 years. I'm gonna troll through the NFL Hall of Fame site and assemble a lit of the members draft position. I bet it will raise some eyebrows as to the importance of drafting well late in the draft. As far as Mario and Reggie, I've got to with the guys who feel that running back is one of the hardest positions to play with longevity. Terrell Davis was an AWESOME back AND a 4th rounder and look what injuries did to him. Just way to big of a risk to take on such a small back with such a high price tag. Mario will be a top 10 DE for 10 years at worst, I think. Reggie will be a top 10 back and on borrowed time after 4 years.

New_Texans
05-13-2006, 05:44 PM
When did Reggie Bush become God?

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 06:00 PM
When did Reggie Bush become God?

Since the day he was born :rolleyes:

beerlover
05-13-2006, 10:21 PM
ya know its kinda funny & sad how some of these threads become enstranged from the original concept, sort of like Marriage I guess :pigfly:

I'm struck that there are any golden rules when it comes to the 1st pick in the NFL year after year, its just so dynamic & complex yet so easy to over think & make too complicated. refresh-

A team picking first in the draft needs to prioritize these rules, in this order:

1. There must be almost no possibility of this player's being a bust.

2. He must have potential for greatness.

3. He must have the ability to lead and lift the franchise's image.

4. He must fit well in the scheme and lineup and be able to make a dramatic impact in a relatively short period of time.

TexanFan881
05-13-2006, 11:10 PM
I'm struck that there are any golden rules when it comes to the 1st pick in the NFL year after year, its just so dynamic & complex yet so easy to over think & make too complicated. refresh-

I agree with you totally. You can't use a single system for every different situation. That system right there is basically saying if the Chiefs had the first pick (with already having Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson) they should pick Reggie Bush hands down.

Hookem Horns
05-14-2006, 12:16 AM
Reggie Bush will be a good RB, maybe a great RB. These days the NFL defenses are getting faster and bigger and stronger. I really do not pay attention to the 40 speed as much as I use to in the past.

Reggie is not giong to be that fast in the NFL with equipment on. Vick thought he was a very fast player in the NFL and thought his legs could take him anywhere until one game he was running and was caught in the open field tackle and realized it was a blue jersey with #54 on it from the Bears. You talk about a shocked look on his face. I loved it.

This is something Bush is going to have to get use to. IF, big IF, he makes it last the DL there are LBs much bigger, faster, and stronger than his college buddies that are going to WANT to be the guy who shuts down "Reggie Bush".

I cannot wait!!!

Bush already experienced something like that in the Rose Bowl. I think Bush is going to be a bust. I couldn't help but notice how small the guy is, especially standing next to Mario, Vince, and Leinhart on that draft show. BTW, when I say bust I mean not living up to the hype in his case. I see him being another Eric Metcalf type of player. Nice player to have but not a franchise player.

Koolaid Time
05-14-2006, 09:52 AM
HEY HEY!! I TAKE OFFENSE TO THAT!! I was a can't-miss, no-bust prospect!!

Sincerely,

Tony Mandarich

:)

"Hey, if the trainer had given me some proxac, I'd be a totally different person."

Ryan Leaf

"Hey, what does this word say here in this playbook?"

Andre Ware

"Everyone just run downfield going in different directions, I'll throw you the ball"

David Klingler

GrandPa
05-14-2006, 10:52 AM
RBs also have shorter careers and a greater propensity for career threatening injuries. So to eliminate the possibility of injury from the equation is altering the landscape of the NFL. The reality is that Mario Williams is much more likely to be contributing to this team 7 years from now than Reggie Bush is. Futhermore, an injury to Mario Williams is less likely to derail his career than an injury to Reggie Bush. And, let's not forget also that Mario Williams is a dominate physical speciman who will rarely meet up with an athlete stronger than he. Bush will be running into guys like Mario Williams (who weighs 90 lbs more and yet can jump as high) with regularity... Aren't these valid concerns?
Should have pciked a kicker then with the #1, very safe pick...

This will go down as one of the worst #1 picks in draft history...

Stupid stupid short sighted move...

Don't worry I will be around all season to keep reminding you...

gsbtxn
05-14-2006, 11:57 AM
Should have pciked a kicker then with the #1, very safe pick...

This will go down as one of the worst #1 picks in draft history...

Stupid stupid short sighted move...

Don't worry I will be around all season to keep reminding you...

Once the season starts and if there is clear evidence of your worst #1 draft pick theory, feel free to come on back and throw it all in our faces. It will be well deserved if Williams is a bust and our defense is not any better. I'm certainly not going to suggest censoring your comments if they are in fact valid. But this constant moaning is a bit ridiculous until there is some on-field NFL evidence to back it up.