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Rightnow
05-08-2006, 07:52 AM
On the Friday show, I heard MaClain mention that he was constantly getting ripped on this board by somebody. I forget what it was that he the poster was complaining about, but he does read this board according to what he said Friday.

So John, if you read this. Hello and get over Vince Young!

:redtowel:

MightyTExan
05-08-2006, 07:55 AM
I'll add to this:
Hurry up and move to Tennesee John, we want Texans news in Houston.

texanfan2002114
05-08-2006, 08:00 AM
I'll also add that he really doesn't know squat!!! He 1st said there was no way the Texans would take Williams and they did. Then on Fridays show he said there was no way or reason for the Texans to sign A. Smith and then I'm watching Fox 26 news and Mark Berman says that there is a 90% chance the Texans will sign him. The guy is useless!!

gwallaia
05-08-2006, 08:06 AM
Hi John, you're allright. Look forward to seeing you again at the tailgate next season.

Sportsfan
05-08-2006, 08:09 AM
Old news, he's been talking about this forum for quite some time. Around the middle of last season was when I first heard him mention this MB and what is talked about.

SheTexan
05-08-2006, 08:13 AM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!

Sportsfan
05-08-2006, 08:16 AM
He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!!
He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job.
As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!

Agreed on all of these statements. I just got tired of his flip-flopping over the last few months. None the less, you can't deny how good of a network he has in the NFL and the quality of the info. that he gets.

Str8tupg42k1
05-08-2006, 08:28 AM
He said that there was a guy (didn't say who) who always rips him in the message boards when he talks about hollywood stuff and about him being in the movies.

HJam72
05-08-2006, 08:34 AM
Now that I know that, I'm gonna rip him constantly. :)

PS-I'll make stuff up if I have to.

Mr. White
05-08-2006, 08:34 AM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!


I tend to agree also. I don't fault him and Justice so much for the flip-flopping. When he talks, I think we all listen because he has better insight than any of us.

I do fault these guys (especially Justice and Lopez) for their whining after we didn't draft Bush. I got aggravated with Justice for whining in his articles and then piling on Casserly in the national forum...then he said we made the right choice.

I thought Lopez was the voice of reason during the whole Bush vs. Young controversy in January. He made the point that drafting Vince Young means trading him for Bush and Carr. I could live with not drafting Bush after he made that point. Then he cried like a little girl when we drafted Mario.

Exascor
05-08-2006, 08:39 AM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!Agreed. No way a writer can please everyone. He does a great job even if I don't always agree with him.Agreed on all of these statements. I just got tired of his flip-flopping over the last few months. None the less, you can't deny how good of a network he has in the NFL and the quality of the info. that he gets.A lot of us flip flopped from Young to Bush to Williams. He's not immune to human nature. He writes what he feels. If he changes his mind it's better to show that he has than to stubbornly stick with his old view.

Johnny Utah
05-08-2006, 08:45 AM
I know John, and he told me to tell everyone on this board that they are a 'punk and loser.'

Kaiser Toro
05-08-2006, 08:51 AM
Well, I am John McClain and I think all of you are immature and mean. :)

trane
05-08-2006, 09:14 AM
I'll add to this:
Hurry up and move to Tennesee John, we want Texans news in Houston.

John McClain is one of the best and most respected sportswriters in the industry and his articles are consistently informative and insightful. In fact, he is so well respected that he was very influential in Elvin Bethea and Warren Moon making it to the Hall of Fame. Read the work of other sportwriters and you will understand how lucky we are he is here.

Basically, if you have a problem with John McClain...you are the type of person that sweats the petty things.

thunderkyss
05-08-2006, 09:34 AM
Well, I am John McClain and I think all of you are immature and mean. :)

I wouldn't doubt that he is a member on these boards, and a respected one at that.

& I wouldn't necessarily call his flip-flopping flip-flopping.

Like me, he wanted Vince to be our pick...... it made sense, the most sense prior to signing Rosenfelts.... after that, thinking the pick would be Reggie...... he didn't say Vince shouldn't be the pick.

I mean the Texans made it pretty obvious they weren't interested in Young.

If you know your football, just because you like Young doesn't mean that you have to hate Reggie..... or Carr for that matter. There can be strong cases made(and there have been) for Young, Reggie, Mario, and even D'Brick as our #1 pick.

& he wasn't the only one upset that the Texans didn't do what he thought they would(see ESPN talking heads...... most specifically, Michael Irvin).

& Merrill Hodge probably threw a hip when Tennesse picked Vince.

MightyTExan
05-08-2006, 09:42 AM
Not really, I read his articles and go to other cities local paper sports news and it's a night and day difference. How about some news on the team? How's the coach doing? The QB? etc...................

Stampede
05-08-2006, 09:43 AM
I know John, and he told me to tell everyone on this board that they are a 'punk and loser.'
Hey now, i scored 4 TD's in a single game!

trane
05-08-2006, 09:50 AM
Not really, I read his articles and go to other cities local paper sports news and it's a night and day difference. How about some news on the team? How's the coach doing? The QB? etc...................

John McClain does not exclusively cover the Texans. That would be Meagan Manfull. John covers the NFL for the Houston Chronicle.

LORK 88
05-08-2006, 09:55 AM
2 problems I see in this. 1) he atually admitted to getting picked on by members of this board 2) He let people know that he looks at this board, he has no idea how many threads are going to pop up saying "read this McClain!".

Exascor
05-08-2006, 10:01 AM
2 problems I see in this. 1) he atually admitted to getting picked on by members of this board 2) He let people know that he looks at this board, he has no idea how many threads are going to pop up saying "read this McClain!".He admited to checking out this and at least one other mb a long time ago. There hasn't been a bunch of "Read This McClain" threads that I've seen. Why would it start now?

killeentexan
05-08-2006, 10:04 AM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!
...and now we know that John McClain's Mom is on the board too :-)

BradK10
05-08-2006, 10:24 AM
He said that there was a guy (didn't say who) who always rips him in the message boards when he talks about hollywood stuff and about him being in the movies.

Ha ha, probably me, I know I've mentioned that when I've said things about him. I don't outright hate John, he offers good insight sometimes, but for a while there on 610 all he talked about was how his bit part in "The Alamo" wasn't enough to get his SAG card :), or how he knows the owner of *insert restaurant name here* and they serve really great *insert good food here*.

TheOgre
05-08-2006, 10:46 AM
John McClain

Strengths:
1. Good historic story teller
2. Seems to have more connections than the other Chronicle sports writers
3. Seems to genuinely love his job
4. His inside information is sometimes invaluable
5. Is a good guy

Weaknesses:
1. His personal opinions seem wrong most of the time (although he did nail the 2000 Ravens as SB champs, but he followed that up by picking the Bills in 2001 or 2002...cannot remember which).
2. His avid love of the Titans
3. His gravelly voice can be like fingernails on a chalkboard. Someone get that man a glass of water!!
4. He went to Baylor (enough said)
5. He gets excited about seeing Barry Manilow in concert

Lucky
05-08-2006, 10:46 AM
John McClain does not exclusively cover the Texans. That would be Meagan Manfull. John covers the NFL for the Houston Chronicle.
McClain was assigned to cover the Texans last season. He had been the Chronic's NFL beat writer prior.

CoastalTexan
05-08-2006, 10:59 AM
He needs to realize one or two articles after the draft about VY, RB, and MW is enough. Now focus on the TEAM and tell us about our new coaching staff and the ton of new players. How David Carr is progressing (if it wasn't for that measly kid VY would be a Texan). Just general information about the Texans that we don't have access to and he does. We have to make up our own information about what we think will happen and thats not too reliable.

HomeBred_Texan
05-08-2006, 11:02 AM
If John wrote and printed everything to my beleifs, then I would not want to read his articles. I know at times he is off base, but sometimes each of us are also. The 1 thing we can all agree on, is we will disagree. :hides:

Hulk75
05-08-2006, 11:13 AM
Agreed on all of these statements. I just got tired of his flip-flopping over the last few months. None the less, you can't deny how good of a network he has in the NFL and the quality of the info. that he gets.
They need him to sell papers. But yea you do have to respect the connections he has.

geofb
05-08-2006, 11:41 AM
John McClain

Strengths:
1. Good historic story teller
2. Seems to have more connections than the other Chronicle sports writers
3. Seems to genuinely love his job
4. His inside information is sometimes invaluable
5. Is a good guy

Weaknesses:
1. His personal opinions seem wrong most of the time (although he did nail the 2000 Ravens as SB champs, but he followed that up by picking the Bills in 2001 or 2002...cannot remember which).
2. His avid love of the Titans
3. His gravelly voice can be like fingernails on a chalkboard. Someone get that man a glass of water!!
4. He went to Baylor (enough said)
5. He gets excited about seeing Barry Manilow in concert


Another weakness is being able to pick NFL winners vs. the spread. He was at about 44% last year which is absolutely awful. Some have suggested how knowledgeable he is about football. One would think someone as knowledgeable as he allegedly is would do a much better job of picking NFL games vs. the spread. Every week in the Chronicle last year you could get a good laugh at is incompetence as it was listed in there each week. I wonder if they will have that again this year or if his ineptness will cause them to drop that this year.

bdiddy
05-08-2006, 11:56 AM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!

First year covering the Texans? John McClain has been the NFL beat writer for the Chronicle for at least the last decade. He has covered the Texans since their inception, and the Oilers before this. He is flat out the worst beat writer in the NFL.

McClain has sources, but he is a "puppet." In other words, he has sources that go to him because they know he does not have the capability of making his own opinion so he will believe verbatim exactly what they say. He does not have off the record sources, or at least not accurate sources. He is a very mediocre reporter.

dwilt72
05-08-2006, 11:57 AM
2 problems I see in this. 1) he atually admitted to getting picked on by members of this board 2) He let people know that he looks at this board, he has no idea how many threads are going to pop up saying "read this McClain!".

I don't think he cares what kind of publicity he gets as long as people are talking about him. He does seem to have a lot of league sources, but then again he seems to be wrong a lot for someone who has that many sources. The main thing that drives me crazy is his man love for Bud's Boys.

aj.
05-08-2006, 12:00 PM
Last year was John's first covering the Texans. They made that change - and added Megan - when CT was promoted and Duarte went to cover the Big 12. Before that, JM was their NFL beat writer.

Now he covers the Texans AND the NFL for the Chronicle.

As many know, he was the Oilers beat writer here for many years before they left. He developed strong friendships and business relationships with that organization so although it's aggravating as hell to read more about the titans than the Texans sometimes, it's no surprise he's remained close to them.

John and the rest of them read these boards all the time. He has some serious connections throughout the league and you couldn't meet a nicer guy. His only weakness that I've been able to determine is Chappel Hill Smoked Jalepeno sausage on the grill.

How's LA, John?

Speedy
05-08-2006, 12:08 PM
As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! Yeah, but that's not saying much. Why not read MB's. He's a poster just like us. He just happens to post in a newspaper. The Chronicle is nothing but a waste of trees.

TheOgre
05-08-2006, 12:14 PM
Another weakness is being able to pick NFL winners vs. the spread. He was at about 44% last year which is absolutely awful. Some have suggested how knowledgeable he is about football. One would think someone as knowledgeable as he allegedly is would do a much better job of picking NFL games vs. the spread. Every week in the Chronicle last year you could get a good laugh at is incompetence as it was listed in there each week. I wonder if they will have that again this year or if his ineptness will cause them to drop that this year.

I view this as the difference between a historian and a tactician. McClain has a good wealth of knowledge but no skills in the area (at least IMO). He can tell you what happened, but he really isn't good at forecasting. His strength is in information, contacts, and story telling, not in evaluation and predictions.

He really should stop picking versus the spread.

HoustonFrog
05-08-2006, 12:15 PM
I actually like McClain and part of it is the same stuff people hate him for. Compared to many writers out there he does seem to have a wealth of connections inside other teams and within the NFL. His stories are good and I just like to hear guys talk NFL football. I know he flip-flops and that can be annoying but it really doesn't bother me when he does it because most of his writings, etc are on rumors and his connections. He is just reporting it. I think it is the nature of the business to find the scoop, talk to sources and then make a prediction. Unlike Justice who writes "opinion" columns and then changes his opinion completely a week later. McClain will talk VY all day and still acknowledge that Bush is a player after his dream is shattered. McClain will basically stick his neck out on info he gets..it just bites him in the butt here and there.

titan hater
05-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Yeah, but that's not saying much. Why not read MB's. He's a poster just like us. He just happens to post in a newspaper. The Chronicle is nothing but a waste of trees.

Like all of the rest of the print media.

Did any of you catch what the guy was wearing on TV recently... Dude needs to lose about 75 lbs...and for Gods sake he wore an NFL pajama top to do the fox sunday night show....pathetic!!!!

MightyTExan
05-08-2006, 01:17 PM
He's a great reporter- for the Titans.

dwilt72
05-08-2006, 01:21 PM
Did any of you catch what the guy was wearing on TV recently... Dude needs to lose about 75 lbs...and for Gods sake he wore an NFL pajama top to do the fox sunday night show....pathetic!!!!

TOO MUCH INFORMATION!!!! Excuse me while I try to get THAT image out of my mind!

Hervoyel
05-08-2006, 01:28 PM
You know, the only time I "dislike" John McClain is when he stops telling/reporting the story and starts "being" the story. Mostly I find him to be somewhat informed and entertaining to read and when he stays on topic I enjoy his stuff. When he starts dropping names, telling these stale, wandering stories, and talking about Baylor he loses me.

I'm not going to say that how accurate he is at predicting things matters much to me. I also don't mind that he "flip/flops" on things from time to time. People should be allowed to change their opinions if they please. A lot of people that I am certain know their stuff fail to get it all right when they try to predict anything. Nobody's "mock" is perfect and one of the best things about football is that it's impossible to accurately predict how a season, game, series, or play is going to turn out.

done88
05-08-2006, 01:33 PM
Although he and I don't agree on a lt of things, and I do think he has a small bias towards the Titans and Cowboys. I think he is a heck of writer and Houston is lucky to have him. The reason you guys can crack on him more them others is becasue he tends to put himself out there more then others. His columns are a collection of his research and his opinions. He is wrong sometimes just like the rest of us but I think he is right more often then the rest of us. I will however say there are a few posters here that should talk to John. They are good writers and have an instinct for the game and seam to come up correct more often then not. Just my opinion.

Mr. White
05-08-2006, 01:53 PM
I've also been impressed with how the guy answers emails when a rumor starts circulating. I'm sure he knows that those emails end up getting posted on this board.

It'd be a lot easier to ignore the questions from readers.

Bamaborn-Texasbred
05-08-2006, 01:58 PM
Justice will say ANYTHING to get himself more air time.

McClain gets good info and bases everything he says on that info. McClain was the first person I heard say that the Texans might be leaning towards Mario Williams. Most of what he says is the golden truth.

We should be trying to run Justice out of town.

El Tejano
05-08-2006, 02:03 PM
He also predicted Mathis to be in the Pro Bowl.

Porky
05-08-2006, 02:29 PM
Okay, I know it's Pro Football Talk...BUT, they had an intersting piece that kind of dovetails with the jist of this thread. While, I am sort of generally in the Herv or Ogre camp, I think that the point they make is a valid critism. I was looking at the paper in regards to Cass yesterday, and had some of the same musings.

Rumormill (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that Texans owner Bob McNair and G.M. Charley Casserly will meet soon to discuss the status of the only General Manager in franchise history.

Given that the history of the franchise has not been good, it's expected by many in the league that Casserly will emerge from the meeting as something other than the team's G.M.

But it's now obvious to us that McNair, Casserly, McClain and everyone else associated with the situation is committed to spinning this thing as a voluntary departure. Writes McClain: "There have been reports that Casserly will be fired, which isn't true. If he leaves, it will be his decision."

How in the hell does McClain know this? Do his skills now include the ability to, you know, read minds?

John, have you even considered that McNair might be throwing Casserly a bone on this one, allowing him to create the impression that Casserly is walking instead of getting run?

Reports continue to link Casserly to the position in the NFL league office that was vacated by Art Shell when he returned to the Raiders as head coach. But we've heard from at least one league source informed speculation that the rumors of Casserly's candidacy for the position were started by Casserly himself. Another source with knowledge of the team's front-office dynamics tells us that, when McNair heard about Casserly's interest in another job, McNair (a guy who is very big on loyalty) decided that it was time for the relationship to end.

To us, it really doesn't matter whether Casserly quits or is fired. We like Casserly. But we don't react well to what appears to be a concerted (and sloppy) effort to paint a set of facts as something other than it really is -- especially when journalists allow themselves to be manipulated by persons who might be trying to engineer reality.

And even if that's not going on in this case, McClain's failure to even acknowledge the possibility that McNair is merely attempting to permit Casserly to save a little face tells us that McClain is doing a disservice to his readers.

Runner
05-08-2006, 02:40 PM
But it's now obvious to us that McNair, Casserly, McClain and everyone else associated with the situation is committed to spinning this thing as a voluntary departure. Writes McClain: "There have been reports that Casserly will be fired, which isn't true. If he leaves, it will be his decision."

How in the hell does McClain know this? Do his skills now include the ability to, you know, read minds?

...

And even if that's not going on in this case, McClain's failure to even acknowledge the possibility that McNair is merely attempting to permit Casserly to save a little face tells us that McClain is doing a disservice to his readers.

Now, I'm not one to defend John McClain, but Casserly having some say in his own future with the Texans has been rumored around the team for a while. In a thread in March http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=20217&highlight=Casserly+resign I had posted this:

I wouldn't be surprised if Casserly is staying with the team in a transitional role right now and will gracefully resign (as opposed to all the re-signing we've seen recently) after the draft. I think it will be his choice rather than at McNair's request. I also wouldn't be surprised if he stayed on. I don't think he is blamed by his superiors for last season's debacle.

I may be all wrong on this. My Magic 8-ball keeps telling me to "ask again later".

Porky
05-08-2006, 02:46 PM
Now, I'm not one to defend John McClain, but Casserly having some say in his own future with the Texans has been rumored around the team for a while. In a thread in March http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=20217&highlight=Casserly+resign I had posted this:

That's all well and good, but he is reporting this as fact. Look again at the article, and the quote from Mclain - "There have been reports that Casserly will be fired, which isn't true. If he leaves, it will be his decision."

Okay, so he is either pulling this out of his ass, and reporting it as fact, or someone is leaking it to him, probably Casserly himself imo. So, instead of taking that leak with a grain of salt, and continuing to fact check, he reports it as fact, when he cannot possibly know if it is or isn't.

Runner
05-08-2006, 02:51 PM
That's all well and good, but he is reporting this as fact. Look again at the article, and the quote from Mclain - "There have been reports that Casserly will be fired, which isn't true. If he leaves, it will be his decision."

Okay, so he is either pulling this out of his ass, and reporting it as fact, or someone is leaking it to him, probably Casserly himself imo. So, instead of taking that leak with a grain of salt, and continuing to fact check, he reports it as fact, when he cannot possibly know if it is or isn't.

Of course, there is the alternative that it is a fact. What if McNair is the source? How do you know it's not a fact, or are you just assuming that?

Anyway, I don't particularly care for his reporting style. He'll focus on one issue and write about it ad nauseum while ignoring other significant developments on the team. In my opinion.

SheTexan
05-08-2006, 03:23 PM
...and now we know that John McClain's Mom is on the board too :-)

Sure, I had him when I was about 10!! Believe me, IF I were his MOM, I would have kicked his butt a long time ago for supporting the Titans the way he does, and kissing up to the Cowboys!. That has been a sore spot with me since the Texans were born, and one reason I quit taking the Chronicle. I'm not saying John writes the greatest stuff this side of beating the meatballs, I'm just saying he's MUCH better than any of the other Chronicle sports writers. Most of what Justice and Lopez write is meaningless, and Megan Manfield gets her info off the internet, or so it seems. Sometimes she writes about stuff you guys have been talking about for days. I was pleased with John McClains coverage of the Texans last year. I certainly sent him enough e-mails our first three years gripping about his coverage of the Titans and Cowboys! You want to know something else? He has answered every e-mail I sent him, and some of them were not nice.

Hulk75
05-08-2006, 03:30 PM
She has nothing to do with that guy, trust me.

WWJD
05-08-2006, 03:38 PM
He's always been nice to me and I like listening to him. John fan here.

Porky
05-08-2006, 03:40 PM
Of course, there is the alternative that it is a fact. What if McNair is the source? How do you know it's not a fact, or are you just assuming that?

Anyway, I don't particularly care for his reporting style. He'll focus on one issue and write about it ad nauseum while ignoring other significant developments on the team. In my opinion.

I think you are missing the point. Yes, it COULD be fact. The problem is, is that he cannot possibly know that. If Mcnair tells him, that's not a fact. If CC tells him, it's not a fact. If both tell him in unison, it's not a fact. I can tell you the sun is blue, but unless you either are the sun, or can see the sun for yourself, you cannot report that the sun is blue as a fact. There is no possible way for him to know for sure this is fact. It's that kind of reporting that makes me wonder sometimes.

mexican_texan
05-08-2006, 03:42 PM
I stopped reading his stuff about a year ago, but that's because I would rather read this board for free than pay about $120 per year for the Sports section and some other paper with words.

Once again, I am not John McClain.:spy:

powerfuldragon
05-08-2006, 03:45 PM
John McClain has been reading this, and other MBs, for years. I'm glad he does. He is like ALL newspaper guys, he voices his opinion. As agrivated as I get with him sometimes, he is 10000000% better than Lopez, Justice or Megan Manfield!! He did an excellent job of covering the Texans last year, which was his first year to be assigned that particular job. As for him not knowing "squat," he knows more about football than most of you put together!!


Completely agree with you. as much as i disagree with his opinions. as much as i may think him an idiot, i respect him greatly for not being afraid to voice his opinions.

i can't stand wishy washy sportswriters who slap a bunch of evasive crap down on a page since they're too afraid of being wrong.

powerfuldragon
05-08-2006, 03:47 PM
i wonder which username mcclain picked.

Runner
05-08-2006, 03:56 PM
I think you are missing the point. Yes, it COULD be fact. The problem is, is that he cannot possibly know that. If Mcnair tells him, that's not a fact. If CC tells him, it's not a fact. If both tell him in unison, it's not a fact. I can tell you the sun is blue, but unless you either are the sun, or can see the sun for yourself, you cannot report that the sun is blue as a fact. There is no possible way for him to know for sure this is fact. It's that kind of reporting that makes me wonder sometimes.

Very nihilistic. There are no facts we can know, except one:

Cogito ergo sum - that proves I exist, but that is all I can know.



I think it is a fact I'm sitting at my computer, but since I'm not the computer I could be wrong. I may be hallucinating.

Since I don't know for a fact that you exist, I'll drop this conversation.

:)

mexican_texan
05-08-2006, 04:22 PM
i wonder which username mcclain picked.
It wasn't mexican_texan...It was MONARCH.

Porky
05-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Very nihilistic. There are no facts we can know, except one:

Cogito ergo sum - that proves I exist, but that is all I can know.



I think it is a fact I'm sitting at my computer, but since I'm not the computer I could be wrong. I may be hallucinating.

Since I don't know for a fact that you exist, I'll drop this conversation.

:)

So, to you taking someone's word for it = the truth. Well, the good news is the Globe or National Enquirer are looking for bright young reporters, so good luck applying. :ok:

aj.
05-08-2006, 04:43 PM
i wonder which username mcclain picked.

Guest

Runner
05-08-2006, 05:13 PM
So, to you taking someone's word for it = the truth. Well, the good news is the Globe or National Enquirer are looking for bright young reporters, so good luck applying. :ok:

No, I'm pointing out that you are saying never take anyone's word about anything. That is the nihilistic point of view, and while it is easy to defend, it isn't very useful in day to day living. I'm sure there are people you believe when they tell you something, and I wouldn't then say that you are dumb enough to believe the National Enquirer, as you seem to be implying about me.

Give me a little credit.

Porky
05-08-2006, 05:22 PM
No, I'm pointing out that you are saying never take anyone's word about anything. That is the nihilistic point of view, and while it is easy to defend, it isn't very useful in day to day living. I'm sure there are people you believe when they tell you something, and I wouldn't then say that you are dumb enough to believe the National Enquirer, as you seem to be implying about me.

Give me a little credit.

A good reporter always cross checks, and double checks his sources. In this case, the two people who would have direct knowledge of this are Mcnair and Casserly. Both could have a reason to lie, or shall we say, "bend the truth". Therefore, it should be reported as speculation, hearsay, etc., and not as the gospel truth.

Runner
05-08-2006, 05:30 PM
A good reporter always cross checks, and double checks his sources. In this case, the two people who would have direct knowledge of this are Mcnair and Casserly. Both could have a reason to lie, or shall we say, "bend the truth". Therefore, it should be reported as speculation, hearsay, etc., and not as the gospel truth.

Now I'll buy that argument. In fact, that is why I presented my original post on the subject as opinion and even referred to a magic 8 ball.

However, that is quite a distance from saying I should work for the Enquirer because I might believe something somebody said.

aj.
05-08-2006, 05:44 PM
Not sure where this thread has been or if this is even relevant to the current discussion but McClain's reporting of Casserly leaving was based on two things: a) his personal speculation - that many of us shared - when Reeves was brought in without CCs knowledge (combined with his contract being up anyway), and b) alleged conversations he had at the NFL offices with people who weren't necessarily heavy hitters or good sources.

JM has said a few times - including this morning -that he's never had a revealing conversation with either McNair or CC on the subject of CCs future.

Porky
05-08-2006, 05:50 PM
Not sure where this thread has been or if this is even relevant to the current discussion but McClain's reporting of Casserly leaving was based on two things: a) his personal speculation - that many of us shared - when Reeves was brought in without CCs knowledge (combined with his contract being up anyway), and b) alleged conversations he had at the NFL offices with people who weren't necessarily heavy hitters or good sources.

JM has said a few times - including this morning -that he's never had a revealing conversation with either McNair or CC on the subject of CCs future.

Which further begs the question - how can he know this, and print it as fact?

"There have been reports that Casserly will be fired, which isn't true. If he leaves, it will be his decision."

aj.
05-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Probably more vibes and opinion than fact in this case. Who knows. I don't hang on every word these guys write but it makes sense to me that McNair lets Casserly leave on his own terms to "explore other interests" at this point. I've been saying that for weeks. It allows CC to save face, it helps uphold Reeves' conclusions back in Feb, and it minimizes the opinion that McNair made a mistake in hiring him in the first place or that CC screwed something up - in the context of a firing being punitive.

If CC leaves in a couple days it will be an amicable parting. Bob will thank CC for everything he's done to help build the franchise. Gary will thank CC for all his hard work prepping for this year's draft, yadda yadda. The tone would be different if there was a firing - Bob would then have to pull out the "we've decided to go in a different direction" card, and the fact is that they've already gone in a different direction.

My theory has been for a while that we will have a split exec staff by design with new VP of Player Personnel Rick Smith and existing VP of Negotiaions and Administration Dan Ferens replacing CC - with no GM by title. But I have nothing to base any of this on either except for what I see and what I feel ... so it probably won't happen that way ... but it's fun to talk about anyway.

powerfuldragon
05-08-2006, 05:58 PM
i don't think cass should be fired at all.

BigDTexansFan
05-08-2006, 06:36 PM
On the Friday show, I heard MaClain mention that he was constantly getting ripped on this board by somebody. I forget what it was that he the poster was complaining about, but he does read this board according to what he said Friday.

So John, if you read this. Hello and get over Vince Young!

:redtowel:


John doesn't always believe what he says, I have communicated with him a couple of times and took him to task for one of his columns. He said I felt as though the Texans were going to do something I thought unwise so I put it down on paper, so they would look and go...OK forget that.

I respect him because several times when everyone else was going one way, John said other way and he was right. EVERYONE thought once Capers was fired, we would go after this or that coach. John said Kubiak within days of Capers getting fired and HE WAS RIGHT!!!.

John Lopez does a great job, a sportswriter when he has no facts has to use his own judegment. The draft was a great example, everyone had their dog in the fight. I didn't want Vince Young because I felt was knee-jerk reaction to Rose Bowl. I was ok with taking Bush, but I was one of ones who wanted us to win a few more games so the Bushwhackers would stop chanting for us to lose (NO CLASS).

I think we all remember when Rams 3rd string QB lit us up like he was an All-Pro QB, so Mario was best choice we face Peyton twice a season and the way Steelers beat him was to rattle him.

I enjoy the opinions of Megan Manfull too, she has a new look at what Texans are doing and I sense always try to find a postive angle. Lets not mention 610 AT ALL. Matt Jackson on Houston Sportsbeat had Reggie wlaking on water, all I got to say is if he can walk on water.

Where were 30 other teams, they all looked and said limited use back will only be able to carry 15-18 times a game. Y'all remember in 4th qtr of Rose Bowl who was taking a breather when they needed him, just MOO (My Own Opinion):twocents:

GP
05-08-2006, 09:02 PM
McClain can read?

Cause he sure can't write.

He's a fan who won life's lottery and gets to write message board material that gets printed onto thousands of papers.

He flip flops.

He speculates.

He reports things about Carr that are not true.

Sounds like a fan with perks, if you ask me.

Some of you can gloss it over and say "you respect him," and blah-blah-blah. I don't even live in Houston, and I don't get his paper, but judging from what I've seen getting discussed about him on this board...I'd have to say I don;t care for the guy (as a reporter). Might be a good 'ole boy to tailgate and talk football with...but I don't see his journalistic prowess at all.

There's a few fans here who get the scoop and report or commentate a heckuva' lot better than he does. And there ain't no way McNair or anybody high up in the FO is going to tell McClain anything solid about CC.

CajunTexan
05-08-2006, 09:32 PM
McClain can read?

Cause he sure can't write.

He's a fan who won life's lottery and gets to write message board material that gets printed onto thousands of papers.

He flip flops.

He speculates.

He reports things about Carr that are not true.

Sounds like a fan with perks, if you ask me.

Some of you can gloss it over and say "you respect him," and blah-blah-blah. I don't even live in Houston, and I don't get his paper, but judging from what I've seen getting discussed about him on this board...I'd have to say I don;t care for the guy (as a reporter). Might be a good 'ole boy to tailgate and talk football with...but I don't see his journalistic prowess at all.

There's a few fans here who get the scoop and report or commentate a heckuva' lot better than he does. And there ain't no way McNair or anybody high up in the FO is going to tell McClain anything solid about CC.

When I moved away from Houston, and our CBS affiliate pulled the plug on the Texans being our regional broadcast, I started readed the chronicle on-line for the Texans game wraps on Monday. (You can read it that way gpshafer if you would like, but you are not missing anything)

McClain started doing them this year, taking over for Carlton Thompson (I think) and they really went down hill.

I still usually log onto chronicle.com before I come here so I have some idea as to what you guys are going to be crackin' on.

IMO, Justice is a Joke, Lopez is tolerable and I lost any shread of respect for McClain that I may have had after his Rose Bowl caused "man crush" (can we still use that phrase?)on VY after backing Carr all year.

GP
05-08-2006, 11:03 PM
When I moved away from Houston, and our CBS affiliate pulled the plug on the Texans being our regional broadcast, I started readed the chronicle on-line for the Texans game wraps on Monday. (You can read it that way gpshafer if you would like, but you are not missing anything)

McClain started doing them this year, taking over for Carlton Thompson (I think) and they really went down hill.

I still usually log onto chronicle.com before I come here so I have some idea as to what you guys are going to be crackin' on.

IMO, Justice is a Joke, Lopez is tolerable and I lost any shread of respect for McClain that I may have had after his Rose Bowl caused "man crush" (can we still use that phrase?)on VY after backing Carr all year.

McClain reported that Carr doesn't put in office hours at the stadium...that he instead goes home and watches film. The round-about accusation (by McClain) was that Carr was selling everyone short, not spending quality time with his other teammates, and that Carr was basically a 9-to-5 guy and not your typical QB.

I have it on pretty good authority that McClain's "report" on Carr is bogus, and that it has no real basis in reality.

So, yeah...I have lost respect for a guy who speculates but attempts to float his speculation out there as if it is bonified journalism...but then again, what does he care? He's got it made with all of his media passes and comps and behind-the-scenes access and etc. etc. He doesn't give a rip about what we think. If anything, he enjoys it because it stirs the pot and get people to zoom in on him and his employer.

mexican_texan
05-08-2006, 11:30 PM
Leave me...err...him alone. He went to Baylor.

GP
05-08-2006, 11:44 PM
Leave me...err...him alone. He went to Baylor.

LOL

Yvette
05-08-2006, 11:50 PM
John is a wonderful gentleman with a heart of gold and he'll always be tops in my book.

TwinSisters
05-08-2006, 11:57 PM
John is a wonderful gentleman with a heart of gold and he'll always be tops in my book.


**snicker**

( actually a Muttley would do, but I don't know how to spell it )

Kaiser Toro
05-09-2006, 06:45 AM
John is a wonderful gentleman with a heart of gold and he'll always be tops in my book.

Thank you Yvette. Can you sign my yearbook? :)

geofb
05-09-2006, 08:14 AM
John is a wonderful gentleman with a heart of gold and he'll always be tops in my book.

Spoken by a Titans fan. Speaks volumes about John "Titan homer" McLain.

Yvette
05-09-2006, 10:27 AM
It has nothing to do with me being a Titan fan or his column. Its about John as a human being. I grab these opportunities every chance I get. Thanks John :)

chuckm
05-09-2006, 10:29 AM
Thank you Yvette. Can you sign my yearbook? :)


you crack me up man .....

titan hater
05-09-2006, 10:29 AM
It has nothing to do with me being a Titan fan or his column. Its about John as a human being. I grab these opportunities every chance I get. Thanks John :)


Mrs McClain,

Does John know you are trolling the MB again?

powerfuldragon
05-09-2006, 10:33 AM
It has nothing to do with me being a Titan fan or his column. Its about John as a human being. I grab these opportunities every chance I get. Thanks John :)


I bet YOU are John McClain!# i win.

:homer:

geofb
05-09-2006, 01:04 PM
IMO, Justice is a Joke, Lopez is tolerable and I lost any shread of respect for McClain that I may have had after his Rose Bowl caused "man crush" (can we still use that phrase?)on VY after backing Carr all year.

No kidding. Sources at least as good as McClain's normal sources have revealed that John McClain was the person who paid for the full page ad in the Chronicle just before the draft encouraging the Texans to pick VY.:tiptoe:

Tulip
05-09-2006, 01:10 PM
I don't see where McClain's opinion about the Casserly/McNair dynamic is that out there. Personally, I agree - I think that if Casserly leaves, it will be because he wants to leave. I don't see a great pool of quality GMs out there. I can't imagine who McNair would be itching to bring in to replace Casserly.

Malloy
05-09-2006, 01:10 PM
Now that I know that, I'm gonna rip him constantly. :)

PS-I'll make stuff up if I have to.

I thought only Chronicle employees were allowed to do that ? :)

TEXANRED
05-09-2006, 01:14 PM
I didnt know McClain could read!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought his secretary Justice did all the typing for him.

Well well, I guess you do learn somthing new every day.

Double Barrel
05-09-2006, 05:25 PM
Y'all are being hard on the ol' boy. John is alright. I respect his perspective of football history (probably his greatest asset), and generally appreciate his radio presence (sans gravel voice, buy hey, that's how God made him, yeah?).

Anyway, I stopped putting any reporter's opinion on a pedestal a long time ago. Reading sports columns are entertaining, but I don't hang on every word. These guys get paid by the word, even if it's blather.

John is a Titans homer, but I chaulk it up to his Oilers connections of yesteryear. Old dog, new tricks and all that jazz. I'm sure he'll be a Texans homer when we start winning more games than we lose, and I'm sure he'll have both feet on the bandwagon when we start making playoff appearances.

BattleRedGuy
05-11-2006, 05:30 PM
Well, ole Johnny Mac put me over the edge this morning. I read his article on the 5 best/worst moves by Casserly during his tenure. I believe number 3 of the worst moves was Bosselli. :brickwall

Johnny Mac knows good and well that Bosselli was a package deal to get Walker and Payne. Of course, he conveniently left this out of the article. When looking at the entire package, I do not agree this move was in the worst 5. I also know that it was nowhere near the best 5.

Johhny Mac, please go to Nashville and leave us the h*** alone.

aj.
05-11-2006, 05:41 PM
CC or coaches fault debate aside, I thought leaving Mathis (rookie Pro Bowler in the 4th round) and Andre (Pro bowler in 2nd year when they could have taken Charles Rodgers) off the best list was kind of dumb. Leaving Babin off the worst list was downright cowardly. Joppru was no one's fault. McKinney on the best list is a joke. And the Walker and Wade contracts were far worse moves by the front office than drafting Charles Hill. That whole best and worst thing is highly subjective and nothing to lose any sleep over. I spent about 10 seconds on it and turned the page.

Exascor
05-11-2006, 05:47 PM
CC or coaches fault debate aside, I thought leaving Mathis (rookie Pro Bowler in the 4th round) and Andre (Pro bowler in 2nd year when they could have taken Charles Rodgers) off the best list was kind of dumb. Leaving Babin off the worst list was downright cowardly. Joppru was no one's fault. McKinney on the best list is a joke. And the Walker and Wade contracts were far worse moves by the front office than drafting Charles Hill. That whole best and worst thing is highly subjective and nothing to lose any sleep over. I spent about 10 seconds on it and turned the page.Please get out of my head aj. Thanks.

Kaiser Toro
05-11-2006, 05:56 PM
CC or coaches fault debate aside, I thought leaving Mathis (rookie Pro Bowler in the 4th round) and Andre (Pro bowler in 2nd year when they could have taken Charles Rodgers) off the best list was kind of dumb. Leaving Babin off the worst list was downright cowardly. Joppru was no one's fault. McKinney on the best list is a joke. And the Walker and Wade contracts were far worse moves by the front office than drafting Charles Hill. That whole best and worst thing is highly subjective and nothing to lose any sleep over. I spent about 10 seconds on it and turned the page.

Wow. Cannot belive that that is his list unless the decisions you mention above and others were not Cass' decision.

powerfuldragon
05-12-2006, 10:23 AM
what would happen if john mcclain were to make a thread here?

utahmark
05-12-2006, 01:23 PM
CC or coaches fault debate aside, I thought leaving Mathis (rookie Pro Bowler in the 4th round) and Andre (Pro bowler in 2nd year when they could have taken Charles Rodgers) off the best list was kind of dumb. Leaving Babin off the worst list was downright cowardly. Joppru was no one's fault. McKinney on the best list is a joke. And the Walker and Wade contracts were far worse moves by the front office than drafting Charles Hill. That whole best and worst thing is highly subjective and nothing to lose any sleep over. I spent about 10 seconds on it and turned the page.

rodgers was gone before we picked.

aj.
05-12-2006, 04:13 PM
rodgers was gone before we picked.


True that. I had forgotten the sequence for some reason. I recall wanting Andre more and all the debate...and being happy about how it fell. I have a buddy who's a season ticket holder for the U and he had me convinced on AJ long before the draft. (homerspeak but he also thinks Winston is going to be one of the steals of the draft as the first pick in the 3rd.)

Ibar_Harry
05-12-2006, 05:06 PM
True that. I had forgotten the sequence for some reason. I recall wanting Andre more and all the debate...and being happy about how it fell. I have a buddy who's a season ticket holder for the U and he had me convinced on AJ long before the draft. (homerspeak but he also thinks Winston is going to be one of the steals of the draft as the first pick in the 3rd.)

Actually the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. Just had to kid you about that.

Seņor Stan
05-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Actually the 2nd pick in the 3rd round. Just had to kid you about that.


Anybody else wonder if Casserly purposely drafted Winston at the #66 spot instead of the #65 to help justify the deal with the Saints last year where they passed on DJ?

dwilt72
05-12-2006, 05:10 PM
I didnt know McClain could read!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me either!

aj.
05-12-2006, 05:14 PM
Technically correct. I misspoke again.

65/66 66/65.

Spencer/Winston Winston/Spencer.

Potato Potatoe

Signed,

Dan Quayle

utahmark
05-12-2006, 05:53 PM
Technically correct. I misspoke again.

65/66 66/65.

Spencer/Winston Winston/Spencer.

Potato Potatoe

Signed,

Dan Quayle

dont feel bad. i wanted rodgers.