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Bobo
05-01-2006, 03:02 AM
McAllister -- 8 years, $50.1 million.
Bennett -- 2 years, $3 million.
Bush -- who knows, probably close to what McAllister is making.

That will be close to $100 million tied up in one position. And I'm sure McAllister won't have any problems with allowing a rookie RB to walk right in and cut his #s in half.

Grid
05-01-2006, 03:10 AM
I know I look forward to seeing how this problem is taken care of :).

I have a feeling that people are gonna be praising the Texans for not taking Bush before its all said and done.

Bobo
05-01-2006, 03:12 AM
I know I look forward to seeing how this problem is taken care of :).

I have a feeling that people are gonna be praising the Texans for not taking Bush before its all said and done.

Agreed.

Bobo
05-01-2006, 03:51 AM
a trade might still happen btwn NO and Jets
Bush - Dbrick and some player/future picks

The Jets had their chance to trade for Bush and didn't take it.

gtexan02
05-01-2006, 04:02 AM
The Jets had their chance to trade for Bush and didn't take it.

Actually, NO made it pretty clear they weren't trading Bush, even though NYJ tried to trade up. So blame it on NO, not NYJ, and don't expect any trades any time soon. I think they want him there. I'd expect Stallworth to get cut, and maybe even McCallister in a year or two

tsip
05-01-2006, 04:40 AM
McAllister -- 8 years, $50.1 million.
Bennett -- 2 years, $3 million.
Bush -- who knows, probably close to what McAllister is making.

That will be close to $100 million tied up in one position. And I'm sure McAllister won't have any problems with allowing a rookie RB to walk right in and cut his #s in half.

Aren't the Saints in financial trouble now? Too, I don't think the Jets were offering much to trade-up, plus-as another poster mentioned-for all the hype about Bush, no team wanted to step up and get him!!!

Specter
05-01-2006, 05:05 AM
McAllister -- 8 years, $50.1 million.
Bennett -- 2 years, $3 million.
Bush -- who knows, probably close to what McAllister is making.

That will be close to $100 million tied up in one position. And I'm sure McAllister won't have any problems with allowing a rookie RB to walk right in and cut his #s in half.

great job doing ur homework, i knew they had a lot of money tied into deuce but i had no idea how much. Somebody is going to get cut or denied an extension because of all this salary space. I wonder who it will be. Maybe LeCharles Bentley was the first of many.

mancunian
05-01-2006, 05:26 AM
great job doing ur homework, i knew they had a lot of money tied into deuce but i had no idea how much. Somebody is going to get cut or denied an extension because of all this salary space. I wonder who it will be. Maybe LeCharles Bentley was the first of many.

They also lost their best DE to the Eagles

texman8
05-01-2006, 05:38 AM
Saints will be in line to draft Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson next year.

TwinSisters
05-01-2006, 06:25 AM
That will be close to $100 million tied up in one position. And I'm sure McAllister won't have any problems with allowing a rookie RB to walk right in and cut his #s in half.

that's going to get real messy if there are any performance clauses or LTBE bonuses\incentives.

Maybe they will revive the Wishbone...

Mike Kerns
05-01-2006, 07:57 AM
I had this theory that Benson drafted him to boost ticket sales. THen after all the season tickets, etc. had sold, he would trade him to NYJ for D'Brick & future considerations. Low? have you SEEN their owner?

Mike Kerns
05-01-2006, 09:14 AM
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Bush will sell tickets. I dont think you all know this, but Houston has no problems selling tickets.

Yeah, we just have problems with people showing up that bought the tickets...

Double Barrel
05-01-2006, 11:00 AM
Yeah, we just have problems with people showing up that bought the tickets...

Most 2-14 teams have that same problem.

jerek
05-01-2006, 11:16 AM
For the record, I will state that, as long as they maintain current ownership/FO/coaching, that Saints will not win more than 8 games with Reggie Bush.

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 12:14 PM
For the record, I will state that, as long as they maintain current ownership/FO/coaching, that Saints will not win more than 8 games with Reggie Bush.

A whole new coaching staff is in place, what could be so bad about the new coachig staff when we have yet to see any results on the field? Not one assistant coach from Jim Hasletts staff was retained. This is a whole new staff.

Texas_Thrill
05-01-2006, 12:41 PM
Aren't the Saints in financial trouble now? Too, I don't think the Jets were offering much to trade-up, plus-as another poster mentioned-for all the hype about Bush, no team wanted to step up and get him!!!

That poster would be me.

I don't get the Saints drafting him at all. You lost your best lineman in LeCharles Bentley and your best DL in Darren Howard. So MW is gone...why would you NOT take Ferguson?

Now you have a 100 Million dollar backfield....No line to block for them and No Defense to get you to ball back. :confused: Maybe they'll try reggie at CB too?

Again I say for how godly Reggie Bush was nobody seemed willing to put up the package to move up and SERIOUSLY get him.

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 12:52 PM
That poster would be me.

I don't get the Saints drafting him at all. You lost your best lineman in LeCharles Bentley and your best DL in Darren Howard. So MW is gone...why would you NOT take Ferguson?

Now you have a 100 Million dollar backfield....No line to block for them and No Defense to get you to ball back. :confused: Maybe they'll try reggie at CB too?

Again I say for how godly Reggie Bush was nobody seemed willing to put up the package to move up and SERIOUSLY get him.

You lost all credibility with this.

Nothing you say can be taken serious with uninformed comments like this.

nflnutswife
05-01-2006, 12:53 PM
Aren't the Saints in financial trouble now? Too, I don't think the Jets were offering much to trade-up, plus-as another poster mentioned-for all the hype about Bush, no team wanted to step up and get him!!!

Maybe FEMA has a bit of revenue left over they can toss in. :rolleyes:
I still say it ain't over til the fat lady sings.

Mike Kerns
05-01-2006, 12:56 PM
For the record, I will state that, as long as they maintain current ownership/FO/coaching, that Saints will not win more than 8 games with Reggie Bush.

I would disagree with that, were they not in the same division with Tampa Bay(Improved), Atlanta(Improved), & Carolina(Improved). That is at least 5 losses right there. Maybe 6 :stirpot:

Kaiser Toro
05-01-2006, 12:57 PM
A whole new coaching staff is in place, what could be so bad about the new coachig staff when we have yet to see any results on the field? Not one assistant coach from Jim Hasletts staff was retained. This is a whole new staff.

How will the folKs of NO react when Bush does not sign? How will Joe Horn/Deuce react? What is going to happen if Bush is asked to go to court due to the allegations? A lot of questions and there are few answers.

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 12:59 PM
I would disagree with that, were they not in the same division with Tampa Bay(Improved), Atlanta(Improved), & Carolina(Improved). That is at least 5 losses right there. Maybe 6 :stirpot:

Wait...

*looks at Avatar*

So now you're a Falcons fan now?:confused:

*throws his hands up and leaves the thread*

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 01:04 PM
How will the folKs of NO react when Bush does not sign?

This is your speculation (an ignorant one at that I must say).

How will Joe Horn/Deuce react?

http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-23/1146382376203380.xml

^^Deuce's response

Joe Horn praised the pick as well, he already gave him the nickname "Baby Matrix"

What is going to happen if Bush is asked to go to court due to the allegations? A lot of questions and there are few answers.

Go to court for what? WTF, you think he murdered someone or something? This is a stupid question.

dtran04
05-01-2006, 02:21 PM
Good luck to Reggie dealing with the nastiest D-Lines in the NFC South.

Kaiser Toro
05-01-2006, 02:57 PM
This is your speculation (an ignorant one at that I must say).



http://www.nola.com/sports/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-23/1146382376203380.xml

^^Deuce's response

Joe Horn praised the pick as well, he already gave him the nickname "Baby Matrix"



Go to court for what? WTF, you think he murdered someone or something? This is a stupid question.

There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.

Specter
05-01-2006, 03:07 PM
Good luck to Reggie dealing with the nastiest D-Lines in the NFC South.
Hello reggie! Welcome to the Saints, sorry LeCharles is no longer with us but I'd like to introduce you to John Abraham, patrick Kerney, jevon kearse, haloti gnata, simeon rice, casey hampton, michael straham, and julius peppers! You will meet all these great guys this year!! and a few of them you will have the pleasure of getting to know twice a year, what luck!!

Mike Kerns
05-01-2006, 03:25 PM
NFC South does have some great D-Line's. Abraham & Kerney? Ouch!

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 03:25 PM
There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.

Look man, I don't have the time for this childish, 8 year old crap.

You asked me questions, I gave you valid answers, what else do you want from me?

4Texans
05-01-2006, 03:40 PM
Again I say for how godly Reggie Bush was nobody seemed willing to put up the package to move up and SERIOUSLY get him.

That's what I'm talking about.......

YoungTexanFan
05-01-2006, 03:45 PM
Look man, I don't have the time for this childish, 8 year old crap.

You asked me questions, I gave you valid answers, what else do you want from me?

Actually, your answers were merely your opinions with no validity to them at all. When you try to justify your 100 million dollar backfield, you listed Joe Horn as a credible source. When presented the the possibility of Bush defending himself in court at some time due to these recent allegations, you attempted to shrug the question off and say it was stupid...then you said you were leaving the board and you were the next poster.

So, you have brought nothing intelligent to this discussion or to this board. In fact, you also have not answered a single question with a valid answer.

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 04:48 PM
Actually, your answers were merely your opinions with no validity to them at all. When you try to justify your 100 million dollar backfield, you listed Joe Horn as a credible source.

So you are implying that I (a Saints fan who has no affliation with the Saints organization) justify our 100 million dollar backfield to a bunch of biased, bitter Texans fans on a internet message board who constantly bash our pick?:confused:

Sorry, but I do not have to justify a thing to a bunch of bitter Texan fans. Now as far those allegations go, if it is not gonna prevent Reggie Bush from seeing the football field, then why should anyone be worried about it?idonno:

And why does it seems like the only people who have a problem with our pick are the people on this board. Are ya'll bitter because ESPN and the rest the national sports media are bashing the Texans organization for not drafting Bush? I mean, if ya'll have to bash our pick just to make yourselves feel better thenidonno:

But it makes you sound like a bunch of bitter biatches of you ask me:tv:

Vambo, the Marble Eye
05-01-2006, 05:19 PM
great job doing ur homework, i knew they had a lot of money tied into deuce but i had no idea how much. Somebody is going to get cut or denied an extension because of all this salary space. I wonder who it will be. Maybe LeCharles Bentley was the first of many.

Is D. Brees playing for Free?

Vambo, the Marble Eye
05-01-2006, 05:31 PM
:stirpot:
And why does it seems like the only people who have a problem with our pick are the people on this board. Are ya'll bitter because ESPN and the rest the national sports media are bashing the Texans organization for not drafting Bush? I mean, if ya'll have to bash our pick just to make yourselves feel better thenidonno:


Dear Brain Surgeon,

Even with the cap expansion, Benson is in the car business which is sucking harder than Whitney Houston working over her crack pipe. Translation: NO MONEY.

News Flash : If the Saints didn't take Bush then the Titans would and that decision would have the Texans facing him twice a year. I would have preferred a quarterback problem between McNair and Young than seeing Bush in there. Translation: The Saints did us a favor... and THANK YOU.

thunderkyss
05-01-2006, 05:35 PM
And why does it seems like the only people who have a problem with our pick are the people on this board. Are ya'll bitter because ESPN and the rest the national sports media are bashing the Texans organization for not drafting Bush? I mean, if ya'll have to bash our pick just to make yourselves feel better thenidonno:

But it makes you sound like a bunch of bitter biatches of you ask me:tv:

Check my posts...... I'm not bitter at all..... I'm giddy. There's nothing I like more about our draft, than not picking Reggie with the #1 overall.

I'm not one of those guys hoping Reggie fails either...... but I'm curious to see how you guys juggle Reggie($9 mill), Duece($7 mill) & Bennette($2 mill)..... I think you'll end up loosing Duece, who gives you everything you need out of a running back...... so you more or less went sideways with the pick. you might have taken a step forward, but it was mostly a sideways move for you..... waste of time and money.

Now..... the rest of the country gives us an A- to a B+ in our draft. you guys get an A for Reggie, but a failing grade for the rest... averaging to a C...... if that is even remotely true(since you want to tout the opinions of a bunch of people who don't care about your team or mine)..... one of our teams is headed out of mediocoreVille, and the other is moving to a new house, same neighborhood.

I still follow the Saints..... I love the gulf coast. I think it was a mistake for you to get rid of Aaron Brooks, Drew Brees IMHO is another sideways move. He's got that shoulder thing, which might hurt you guys for years to come, where Aaron only needed a good coach........ he's dumb as hell, but when he is on, he's on...

D'Brick, then Kiwanuka..... that's what you should have done. Save your money on Brees, slap Aaron around the locker room, and upgrade your TE, and your DBs....... but that's me......

Good luck in '06, see you in the SuperBowl.

thunderkyss
05-01-2006, 05:38 PM
:stirpot:


Dear Brain Surgeon,

Even with the cap expansion, Benson is in the car business which is sucking harder than Whitney Houston working over her crack pipe. Translation: NO MONEY.

News Flash : If the Saints didn't take Bush then the Titans would and that decision would have the Texans facing him twice a year. I would have preferred a quarterback problem between McNair and Young than seeing Bush in there. Translation: The Saints did us a favor... and THANK YOU.

Titans would have been smart, and passed on Reggie as well. QB vs RB...... QB wins 9 times out of ten. Best QB ever..... Best RB ever........ QB.

The Titans aren't worried about wining this year..... they'll be competitve, win 4-8 games. But they are working on 2007.

4Texans
05-01-2006, 05:57 PM
Titans would have been smart, and passed on Reggie as well. QB vs RB...... QB wins 9 times out of ten. Best QB ever..... Best RB ever........ QB.

I agree.

threetoedpete
05-01-2006, 10:39 PM
The Jets had their chance to trade for Bush and didn't take it.
He's a little knee hopper. He'll learn. Mind boggeling.

Mike Kerns
05-02-2006, 10:36 AM
Wait...

*looks at Avatar*

So now you're a Falcons fan now?:confused:

*throws his hands up and leaves the thread*

I am FROM Atlanta. I am just a bigger Texans fan. Falcons are my "B Team." You know Falcons & Saints have always had a good rivalry & I think this will only improve what has been some really great games. No hate implied towards the Saints. Carolina, TB, & Atlanta all look better than the Saints do. But, that is why they play the game. :)

thunderkyss
05-02-2006, 12:00 PM
I am FROM Atlanta. I am just a bigger Texans fan. Falcons are my "B Team." You know Falcons & Saints have always had a good rivalry & I think this will only improve what has been some really great games. No hate implied towards the Saints. Carolina, TB, & Atlanta all look better than the Saints do. But, that is why they play the game. :)

You know what I'm tired of??

We get up for the Jax games, the Indy Games, & the Cowboys games. And they couldn't care less.


I hope like heck we give them something to worry about in '06.

baba ganoush
05-02-2006, 09:31 PM
Saints will be in line to draft Brady Quinn or Adrian Peterson next year.

why in the world would you draft peterson if you have mcallister with BIG money alongside bush with BIG money and not to mention brees with BIG money?????I can see the quinn thing going down if brees doesnt recover from his injury but you cant think the saints would even look for a running back with a high pick next year unless both of they're running backs have either devastating injuries or mcallister gets cut....

JAXwithanX
05-02-2006, 10:43 PM
Look man, I don't have the time for this childish, 8 year old crap.

You asked me questions, I gave you valid answers, what else do you want from me?

How about you answer your running back log jam you have there.

Your the one side stepping the important question.

Saintz08
05-04-2006, 10:29 PM
Hello reggie! Welcome to the Saints, sorry LeCharles is no longer with us but I'd like to introduce you to John Abraham, patrick Kerney, jevon kearse, haloti gnata, simeon rice, casey hampton, michael straham, and julius peppers! You will meet all these great guys this year!! and a few of them you will have the pleasure of getting to know twice a year, what luck!!

Love this .....

Hi Bush welcome to the league , sorry you lost the center like he would have been any help against Simeon Rice and I really have to assume that Straham is Strahan in Texan code , the line in New Orleans by most standards would be considered upgraded over last year , LeCharles is gone but so is take a play or two off Gandy .

Unlike the Texans , the Saints were forced into subpar practice during last season and that directly resulted in a losing season , for the Texans it was just another in what will probably be a long list of overall number 1 picks .

Bush will suit up for a solid team that posted a series of mid level seasons before Katrina , if the 100 million dolar backfield bothers some , well check the numbers on the Colts last season , Manning , Edge and Harrison aint exactly cheap ....

D-ReK
05-04-2006, 10:32 PM
Bush will suit up for a solid team that posted a series of mid level seasons before Katrina , if the 100 million dolar backfield bothers some , well check the numbers on the Colts last season , Manning , Edge and Harrison aint exactly cheap ....

Manning, Edge, and Harrison occupied three separate positions...McAllister and Bush are both RBs...

$100M divided amongst superstars at three positions > $100M divided amongst two players platooning at one position...

Saintz08
05-04-2006, 10:45 PM
Manning, Edge, and Harrison occupied three separate positions...McAllister and Bush are both RBs...

$100M divided amongst superstars at three positions > $100M divided amongst two players platooning at one position...

What defenses are looking at is a thunder and Lightning combo .The Saints are in much better cap position after the often injured Howard left .

Saintz08
05-04-2006, 10:59 PM
Uhhh, I don't recall ya'll being forced into a subpar practice the other year, which was also a losing season. And, oh yea, we had a better record then you in that season.

:pigfly:

Texans

2002 - 4-12
2003 - 5-11
2004 - 7-9
2005 - 2-14

Saints

2002 - 9-7
2003 - 8-8
2004 - 8-8
2005 - 3-13

Which season would you be referring too ?????

TwinSisters
05-04-2006, 11:33 PM
Whoops, I was for sure you had a 6-10 season, my fault...

No problem. It's easy to get confused when the entire franchise has a history of floundering.

A Poor Man's Almanac

flounĚder 1 Pronunciation (floundr)
intr.v. flounĚdered, flounĚderĚing, flounĚders
1. To make clumsy attempts to move or regain one's balance.
2. To move or act clumsily and in confusion. See Synonyms at blunder.
n.
The act of floundering. From the popular Gulf Coast fish, the flounder. A species that is characterized by its bottom feeding habits.

To be a Saint is to be historically known as a blundering flounder that even a Manning could not save. 1967-2005 is 38 years straight of being on the gettin end of an *** kicking. Two WHOLE decades before they posted their first winning season.

Highlight of the Franchise
One field goal back in 1970. ( a field goal is the highlight of the franchise :D )
EDIT: to add a field goal to beat the Lions. Highlight, High watermark of franchise beating the Lions...

snarf... Saints coming around to stir up trouble... har har har har har

Saintz08
05-05-2006, 12:20 AM
Manning, Edge, and Harrison occupied three separate positions...McAllister and Bush are both RBs...

$100M divided amongst superstars at three positions > $100M divided amongst two players platooning at one position...

And what do you think they pay Peyton Manning .....:ok:

So by your logic it is ridiculous to pay 100 million for 2 runningbacks but a great idea to sign Peyton Manning to a 98 Million dollar contract ? I was not dividing it among the trio , I was just not aware that you were unaware Manning had a 98 Million dollar contract . That's o.k. though , you guys are new to the league , so we will cut you some slack ......

mexican_texan
05-05-2006, 12:29 AM
Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Daunte Culpepper, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady average at least ten mill a year.

gg no re
05-05-2006, 01:00 AM
That's o.k. though , you guys are new to the league , so we will cut you some slack ......I'm sorry, but before NO had a football team, Houston had a football team called the Oilers or something.

And the Oilers-somethings, unlike the Saints, won games.

Shocking, isn't it? History is full of little surprises.

shadowdrinker_x
05-05-2006, 03:18 AM
You guys are seriously dilusional...

The Saints, who have ''no defense'' finished in the top half overall Defensively...

There will be no trade between the Jets and the Saints..to even suggest that is laughable...I mean..seriously...Are you guys going to trade away Williams..? come on..get real...

Bush will get a big contract..that's a no brainer...and Deuce allready had a big contract...He's not worried at all about Bush stealing his thunder, and has even been quoted as saying how much He looks forward to playing with Bush..He said having him there would only help his play overall..which is entirely true...

I think alot of you guys are still very sore about the Texans passing on Bush..but then you get pissed at the Saints for picking him?..that's just ignorant..So you come up with every excuse you can to make it seem like Reggie will be a bust, and that passing on him was a blessing.....We have a much better Team than you guys give credit for...and Bush coming in only makes it better...

San Diego went for quite a while with 2 top paid QB's on the same Team..we can easily do that as well..we only have very few top dollar guys, and we have a huge fan base...Money is not a problem with the Saints...

It isn't like Deuce and Bush can play together forever.. that's not the expectaion from the Saints..they want to have a devastating 2 RB combo, and they now have it...Spin it however you want..it was NOT a mistake drafting Bush..and you guys know it..so save all the doomsday rhetoric..it's just dumb.

3 weeks ago, Reggie was the best College prospect ever...what has happened to change that?..the Texans passing on him doesn't make him worse, and it never has and never will for any player...

We got Bush, and the Texans handed him to us..get over it..we have!!..You guys got a stellar young DE..can't you be happy with that, and stop trying to sling mud?

gg no re
05-05-2006, 08:53 AM
If you came around this board, oh say, ~35 years, I mean, weeks ago, you'd see that there was a fierce opposition against the drafting of Bush.

pyrotechnique
05-05-2006, 09:34 AM
If you came around this board, oh say, ~35 years, I mean, weeks ago, you'd see that there was a fierce opposition against the drafting of Bush.

I was going to write a long post about the football I.Q. of Texans fans...

I no longer need to

Saintz08
05-05-2006, 11:04 AM
If you came around this board, oh say, ~35 years, I mean, weeks ago, you'd see that there was a fierce opposition against the drafting of Bush.


As for the actual selections, I won't beat around the Reggie Bush any longer. You might notice a bit of sarcasm imbedded in the Williams mention. I have heard both sides of the argument, and I can't disagree that the Texans need a defensive presence in the worst way. But it makes me sick when people say that star running backs like Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers do not historically translate into great success for their football teams. Yeah, that's it. It was the running backs' fault that their teams were terrible. They were actually too good, right? And if everyone is comparing Bush to those guys, don't you think you might want him on your team?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9417431

Lets start with a little paragraph from NFL.com and move on to another .

I also couldn't help but notice that two of Williams' defensive line mates at N.C. State were drafted in the first round as well. A paltry 6-5 record in the ACC was all that the Wolfpack could muster last year?

Anyone have any idea how Williams performed against the better schools ???

The first thought is Williams got man handled against some of the better lines in the NCAA , but feel free to prove me wrong .......

Mr. White
05-05-2006, 11:48 AM
Anyone have any idea how Williams performed against the better schools ???

The first thought is Williams got man handled against some of the better lines in the NCAA , but feel free to prove me wrong .......

I've heard 'em say on the radio that Bruce Smith had some of the same knocks as Mario coming out of college....taking plays off, etc.

Another article on the Fox Sports website shows that some of the knocks on Reggie White.... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5566384

"Sure, this Reggie White guy had 15 sacks this season, but where was he the rest of his college career? He only had 17 sacks the other three years."
"FOUR of White's sacks this year came against, get this ... The Citadel."

We won't know how they're gonna play until they do it on the field.

BTW, is Reggie signed yet?

thunderkyss
05-05-2006, 11:52 AM
I was going to write a long post about the football I.Q. of Texans fans...

I no longer need to
There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....
Having Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Edgerin James didn't take a lot of pressure off Manning, when he played SanDiego or Pittsburgh. Our offensive line couldn't keep that kind of pressure off David, against the worse teams in the league... Arizona & SF.

Unless Reggie is the best pass protector to enter the NFL, I don't believe he would have helped as much as you think he would.

I don't think it will take long for folks to see that it was a sound decision. I doubt Reggie and Benson will come to terms before TC..... so that will work in our favor. Then when the Saints get down to figuring what they are going to do with their Gazillion dollar backfield, more comparisons will arise.

Then when the talking heads get their heads out of their butts, they'll draw the obvious comparisons to Denver, the system, and their history of drafting runnngbacks.
Media doesn't win games, and Reggie Bush doesn't automatically put us in the playoffs..... Marshall Faulk & Ladanian Tomlinson were watching the playoff games just like you were........ on T.V.

If our offense is in the top 10 next season, either scoring, or Yards Per Game, would you say that we made the right choice?? It has nothing to do with Mario, but what Reggie Bush would have done for our offense. Right?? if we avg over 330 yards per game, would that make you happy?? Or would you be one of those....... "we would've avg'd 360 YPG with Reggie"??

In 2005, 330 ypg would have tied us with Washington for 11th place.
We had 253.(30th)

In 2004, 330 ypg would have put us ahead of Carolina with 326.
We had 320(19th)

I don't know what it'll take in 2006 to get into the top 10, but if we do, would you believe Kubiak was right??
Mario, Weaver/Payne, Robair/TJ, Babin/Peak....... we've put Mario in the same situation he was in at NC State. He will poduce. He will play every down..... he does for our D, what Reggie will do for N.O. offense.

Offensively, I think we stack up pretty well with N.O. on paper..... however successful N.O.'s offense will be with Reggie, I think will be a good gage to what might have been here in Houston. so we'll see.

N.O. has a better Defense than we had in 2005, I can't see how that can be denied. When we've got to play Leftwhich, Manning, and McNair/Vince twice every year..... it makes more sense for us to take Mario.

If you would have been happy with the trade down senarios we entertained, I don't see how you canbe upset with the pick. It made sense to trade down, and fix the team....... it makes just as much sense to fix the team if we couldn't get the value we deserved.........

I'll admit, we played the whole poker thing all wrong...... we should have traded down, and grabed Mario/D'brick, and picked up extra first day picks. That didn't happen, but in no way changes the obligation for the FO to do the right thing.

We've got a team that can score 30+ on any given Sunday, you're blind if you can't see that..... we were last against the run........ second to last against the pass, last again(I think) in turnovers......... all that has changed.

If you're a PSL holder, thinking about selling, I think you should hold on two more years.... sell your tickets if you want, someone will appreciate it. But once we start knocking on that play-off door, the value of your PSL is going to sky rocket, and if we can keep that up for years(which a strong defense gaurantees more than a Reggie Bush(SD) or a Vince Young(Atlanta)).

This is the beginning of something special. Alot of the "experts" are going to be crawfish'n come week 8........ I'm calling it now, write it down.

Williams right fit for Texans
Smith
By Michael Smith
ESPN.com
Archive

They went the right way.

It's not about Williams being a better player than Bush. That's debatable. It's about who's better for the Texans. That's been my point all draft week. It's about the more valuable, more impact position -- defensive end. It's about having a potentially explosive offense or a competitive defense. Houston gave up the most points in the league last year. Opposing quarterbacks put up MVP-type numbers against Houston: 65 percent, 24 touchdowns, seven interceptions, a 100.0 efficiency rating. Unless Bush was going to play cornerback, too, he wouldn't have helped the Texans in that department. And thus he wouldn't have helped Houston add a Super Bowl championship to the national title the state's university won this year anytime soon, because defense wins ... well, you know.

The only way we can be penalized or not picking bush, is if we don't have a productive run game..... never mind DD's stats, it's about total production out of the running game.

if N.O. is #1 in russhing yards, and we're #10, I can see some folks being upset.

But if we're 9-7 in 2006, and N.O. is 6-10, I had a hard time agreeing.
there are alot of teams that have won championships without Reggie Bush. A lot, a whole lot....... the University of Texas comes to mind.

I think we'll be OK.
euben Droughns - Beating The System

Luke Sacks
NFLPLAYERS.COM
04/11/2005

Reuben Droughns - Beating The System

Most NFL teams cling to a 1,000-yard running back for dear life. But with two promising youngsters waiting in the wings, the Broncos dealt Reuben Droughns, who posted over 1,200 yards last season, to the Browns in exchange for two defensive players.

Droughns, who started just seven games in his first four NFL seasons, assumed the role of featured back last season and became the latest in a long string of successful Bronco rushers. In 16 games, including 15 starts, he led the team in rushing with 1,240 yards on 275 carries with six touchdowns. He added 32 receptions for 241 yards (7.5 avg.), and two receiving scores.

In 2004 Droughns became the fifth Bronco in the last 10 years to rush for more than 1,000 yards which continued the question of whether it was the quality of the Denver backs or the quality of Mike Shanahan's offensive system that produced such consistent rushing numbers.
I've never understood this. A.J. is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Moulds....... he's a threat to score, every time he touches the ball. DD, et him inside the 40, and he's a threat to score. Mathis..... if he catches it, watch out, that kid just might score........ how many threats do we really need??

I think it was Michael Smith, on one of the shows yesterday, comparing Leinart & Young...... he said with Leinart, you need playmakers around him to be successful........ Vince, you can get away with a lot less, because he makes things happen.

How many playmakers does Carr need?? and when does it start to get silly??

Peyton Manning. How many people does he need that can score from anywhere, anytime they touch the ball?? He made Reggie Wayne....... people will be all over Reggie's Jock, thinking he'll make their team better, but he won't do much without Manning.

Saintz08
05-05-2006, 12:59 PM
There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....

And to follow those :

But Bush was the closest to a sure thing. He was a star from the start of his USC career to the finish. Williams was a star from, oh, half of the 2005 season through the NFL Combine.

"I'm speechless,'' said Williams. "It's hard to explain."

No, it isn't. The Texans gagged. They over-analyzed themselves out of the most breathtaking talent anybody has seen in years ... decades? They confused possibilities with probabilities. They will regret this for losses to come.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2427182

According to a poll conducted by respected NFL writer Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, 21 of 26 league general managers rated Bush as the top choice. That's called a landslide.

Mr. White
05-05-2006, 01:13 PM
Of course ESPN personalities will criticize the pick. ESPN created the Reggie Bush hype machine.

The writers can bash the pick all they want. I hold Bill Parcells' opinion in a little higher regard.

thunderkyss
05-05-2006, 01:44 PM
And to follow those :



http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2427182

You're arguements don't take away from the Validity of mine..... I am not saying in anyway, that Reggie is not who you think he is..... he may very well be. I'm just saying we will score points without him. We will gain yards without him, and we will win games without him. Bottom line.

I'm glad you guys picked him....... I seem to have underestimated what he would mean to your city....... I'm glad, that you're selling season tickets at a record pace, I'm glad you got people wanting to go home now....

We passed on Reggie Bush, the most prolific running back to grace God's green earth......... we will survive.

tsip
05-05-2006, 04:31 PM
There are many sound arguments...... mostly by me....

...your posts are just not long enough

gg no re
05-05-2006, 06:44 PM
According to a poll conducted by respected NFL writer Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News, 21 of 26 league general managers rated Bush as the top choice. That's called a landslide.Do we know which of those 21 votes came from teams who.... were contenders?

And what happened to the other 6 GMs...... it's quite easy to manipulate the sample pool as well!

That's the problem with polls and surveys and such. You can always skew the information to your liking.

Interestingly enough, the pro-Bush columnist in the ESPN article made a nice line that he used incorrectly.

They confused possibilities with probabilities.How do you make a pro-Bush article and use this statement to denounce the Texans for drafting someone else? Everyone you draft is a possibility, what's the difference!

Probabilities? The probability of Mario succeeding in the AFC South is greater than Reggie succeeding in the NFC South.

Who cares though?

The last time the Saints had a Heisman-calibre RB handed to them by Houston, they really didn't make any significant impact. Not that Bush will be an abyssmal failure, but history tends to repeat itself in ugly ways.

thunderkyss
05-05-2006, 07:21 PM
...your posts are just not long enough

I can make them longer, but I'm really trying to move on.... draft was ages ago.

Saintz08
05-05-2006, 10:28 PM
Do we know which of those 21 votes came from teams who.... were contenders?

The last time the Saints had a Heisman-calibre RB handed to them by Houston, they really didn't make any significant impact. Not that Bush will be an abyssmal failure, but history tends to repeat itself in ugly ways.

Here's your address :

You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com.

I eagerly await the list ......

Damn , judging Bush based upon other selection history and saying history tends to repeat itself is like saying I will be cheering for the Los Angeles Texans this weekend ......:um:

gg no re
05-05-2006, 11:45 PM
There's no history of a Houston team relocating to Los Angeles.

Sorry to burst your hypothetical bubble.

And yes, I will go ahead and email Mr. Wojocieceichowchingski. I'll make it a top priority, and I'll have the results rushed via DHL.

TwinSisters
05-06-2006, 01:15 AM
I will be cheering for the Los Angeles Texans this weekend ......:um:

I would be wary VERY wary of what I cheered for on the weekends in New Orleans. Houston has a brand new state of the art stadium and sits right at the top of the league in taking in the big bucks...

New Orleans on the other hand has one gigantic port-a-potty built back in 1971-74 that hovers near the bottom of the league. Bush and Brees would double their money in L.A., which in turn means Benson would make out like a bandit selling the franchise... to someone in L.A..

Somebody is going to L.A., you cannot possibly believe the Saints aren't on the short list. Bush is more like blood in the water for potential owners.

MightyTExan
05-06-2006, 08:46 AM
I know it's kinda depressing, but didn't a lot of people die in that stadium last summer? Playing there is just plain creepy.

HJam72
05-06-2006, 08:55 AM
It's the House of Death.

edit: I just realized we still have the House of Payne. :)

Saintz08
05-09-2006, 11:02 PM
I know it's kinda depressing, but didn't a lot of people die in that stadium last summer? Playing there is just plain creepy.

Creepier then the fact the Superdome was built on an old indian burial ground ??

TwinSisters
05-10-2006, 07:58 AM
Creepier then the fact the Superdome was built on an old indian burial ground ??

Ya know I was going to say something about that... but didn't the city have a parade and then brought in some shamans to make peace with the spirits or something like that?

I kinda recall something like that happening in 93-94ish... somewhere around that time. At the beginning of the season the whole team was like "this is our year" "Super Bowl here we come" and stuff like that. So the city went out into the woods to find some shamans to help out... the shamans did whatever shamans do and then said something like a sacrifice would have to be made in "hardwork", "blood, sweat, and tears", etc. A bunch of blue collar dogma... and then the Saints ended the season with half their team on IR.
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I am personally happy we got out of the Astrodome. I think the spirit of that construction worker that fell from the rafters was jinxing us. If we are going to win, we need to blow that !^@$^*&@^*@# up!

:headbang:

Texans_Chick
05-10-2006, 10:05 AM
I will put this in the "as if" file:

SI-King column (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/05/08/bush.number/1.html)

One other travel note, not involving me, but it is a travel note of some sort.

When Reggie Bush left New Orleans after his first post-draft visit there, coach Sean Payton shook his hand, wished him well and said, "Next time you come in here, no more chartered planes, hotel suites and limos, OK? It's a Residence Inn and all football, OK?'' Bush said sure, he'd like that.


And, as Reggie said that, his nose grew really long.

Kaiser Toro
05-10-2006, 10:06 AM
Saints are suppossedly trying to move Bennett to the Dolphins.

Saintz08
05-10-2006, 01:45 PM
Ya know I was going to say something about that... but didn't the city have a parade and then brought in some shamans to make peace with the spirits or something like that?

I kinda recall something like that happening in 93-94ish... somewhere around that time. At the beginning of the season the whole team was like "this is our year" "Super Bowl here we come" and stuff like that. So the city went out into the woods to find some shamans to help out... the shamans did whatever shamans do and then said something like a sacrifice would have to be made in "hardwork", "blood, sweat, and tears", etc. A bunch of blue collar dogma... and then the Saints ended the season with half their team on IR.
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I am personally happy we got out of the Astrodome. I think the spirit of that construction worker that fell from the rafters was jinxing us. If we are going to win, we need to blow that !^@$^*&@^*@# up!

:headbang:

The real story is :

The year was 1971. The Saints were in Tulane Stadium but eager for a new home. And construction workers were ready to build it, as soon as they could excavate the strip of downtown land on which the Superdome would sit. Those early days were not a sight for the squeamish.

When the hydraulic backhoes sunk their forked metal teeth into the earth, up came the bones. Human bones. Years before anybody thought to call in a voodoo priestess, the construction workers called somebody else -- the cops and the coroner.

"We thought maybe we had found somebody who had been killed, and they said, ĹNah, he's been here for a long time,' " said Jim McClain, a project manager for the construction company that built the Dome. "They weren't too excited about it, and we didn't get too excited about it. From then on, everything was just dug up and moved wherever we moved the dirt to."

Human bones were just the beginning. Next came the caskets. Double deckers. Triple deckers. Wooden and tin caskets that likely housed the bodies of those who died during the cholera epidemic of the 1930s or the yellow fever plague of the 1850s.

It turns out they were digging up the remains of the old Girod Street Cemetery, and some think they dug up more than they realized. Bad vibes, for one.

"You know," said Ava Kay Jones, a well-known voodoo priestess in New Orleans, "it's really not kosher to plop a sports facility on the remains of one's ancestors."

Mr. White
05-10-2006, 01:51 PM
Wow....that just ain't right. Not at all.
I think I'm gonna tell that one around the campfire.

OzzO
05-10-2006, 02:07 PM
Ha - yeah. You know, some nights - when the moon is full, you can still see the hook dangling from the turnstile.....