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CaptainPatriot
04-30-2006, 09:16 PM
Not only is he not the #1 overall pick. He is also going to a team that has no starting C,LG,LT

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/depthchart.cfm

mexican_texan
04-30-2006, 09:29 PM
Not only is he not the #1 overall pick. He is also going to a team that has no starting C,LG,LT

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/depthchart.cfm
I'm sure those $60 million will cheer him up.

Trap_Star
04-30-2006, 09:32 PM
I'm sure those $60 million will cheer him up.

:challenge
Mr. Benson will have something to say about that.
He'll be lucky if he even gets 20 mill guaranteed...:stirpot:

mexican_texan
04-30-2006, 09:37 PM
:challenge
Mr. Benson will have something to say about that.
He'll be lucky if he even gets 20 mill guaranteed...:stirpot:
"So, what pen do want as your signing bonus? The blue or black one?"

ledzeppelin229
04-30-2006, 09:41 PM
Well he's also got Subway and Adidas to cover any difference. He won't be in a soup line any time soon.

TwinSisters
05-01-2006, 04:09 AM
Well he's also got Subway and Adidas to cover any difference. He won't be in a soup line any time soon.

Not to mention that he should be able to hit his mom up for a loan if things get tight. Not having to pay rent for a year has got have some kinda positive pressure on their savings accounts.

kingh99
05-01-2006, 08:31 AM
diff thread

Huge
05-01-2006, 09:54 AM
Offensive line smack? On a Houston message board?

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 11:08 AM
Not only is he not the #1 overall pick. He is also going to a team that has no starting C,LG,LT

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/depthchart.cfm

*shakes his head at this uninformed dedicated ignorance*

The depth chart won't be updated until training camp and I highly doubt any team has updated their depth chart after the draft, but the o-line is predicted to be:

Center - Jeff Faine Acquired via trade with the Cleveland Browns
Left Guard - Jonathan Goodwin UFA from the New York Jets
Left Tackle - Jammal Brown Last years stud rookie tackle from Oklahoma
Right Guard - Montrae Holland 4 year veteran from Florida State
Right Tackle - Jonathan Stinchcomb 4 year veteran from Georgia

mexican_texan
05-01-2006, 04:54 PM
*shakes his head at this uninformed dedicated ignorance*

The depth chart won't be updated until training camp and I highly doubt any team has updated their depth chart after the draft, but the o-line is predicted to be:

Center - Jeff Faine Acquired via trade with the Cleveland Browns
Left Guard - Jonathan Goodwin UFA from the New York Jets
Left Tackle - Jammal Brown Last years stud rookie tackle from Oklahoma
Right Guard - Montrae Holland 4 year veteran from Florida State
Right Tackle - Jonathan Stinchcomb 4 year veteran from Georgia
What about Mayberry? When did the Saints get Jeff Faine?

Errant Hothy
05-01-2006, 04:58 PM
*shakes his head at this uninformed dedicated ignorance*

The depth chart won't be updated until training camp and I highly doubt any team has updated their depth chart after the draft, but the o-line is predicted to be:

Center - Jeff Faine Acquired via trade with the Cleveland Browns
Left Guard - Jonathan Goodwin UFA from the New York Jets
Left Tackle - Jammal Brown Last years stud rookie tackle from Oklahoma
Right Guard - Montrae Holland 4 year veteran from Florida State
Right Tackle - Jonathan Stinchcomb 4 year veteran from Georgia

Ohhh Jeff Fain, are you really bragging about a cast-off from teh Browns, espically one picked by Butch Davis?

LikeABoss
05-01-2006, 05:29 PM
Ohhh Jeff Fain, are you really bragging about a cast-off from teh Browns, espically one picked by ***** Davis?

lol:

:rofl:

*dies*

SESupergenius
05-01-2006, 06:02 PM
What the deal with Deuce McCallister? I mean why would you draft Bush if you have a high quality back such as that?

DFAN
05-01-2006, 06:04 PM
Offensive line smack? On a Houston message board?



LOL!! That's what I was thinking.

God of Wine
05-01-2006, 06:34 PM
LOL!! That's what I was thinking.

Yeah I was thinking why Dallas fans are on a Houston board and not the Cowboy board?:rolleyes:

It's the NFL section but don't Dallas have an NFL section?

Sarg01
05-01-2006, 07:31 PM
When did the Saints get Jeff Faine?

During the draft. Fairly early on, like second round or so.

Huge
05-01-2006, 08:15 PM
What the deal with Deuce McCallister? I mean why would you draft Bush if you have a high quality back such as that?
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.

mexican_texan
05-01-2006, 08:19 PM
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.
Ms. Cleo? What are the lottery numbers?

Trap_Star
05-01-2006, 09:02 PM
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.

:hmmm: Yep, then the city of New Orleans can really thank Bush if that happens...:rolleyes:

SESupergenius
05-02-2006, 07:09 AM
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.
Ok this makes "0" sense.

1. Ok he can play KR. (see Desmond Howard, another Heisman Trophy winner to play KR)
2. Realisticly most RB's don't. When bush only plays 15-18 touches a game, then sure he has a lesser injury risk factor, but play him 25-20 and tell me he's superman.
3. McCallister is one the highest paid RB's, he's not going anywhere without a heavy cap hit.
4. Ummm....not yet.
5. There aren't enought people to sell out anything in N.O.
6. Imagine if he did, it could turn out to be a bad move where there is no support for the team ala Rams.

Errant Hothy
05-02-2006, 08:27 AM
lol:

:rofl:

*dies*

I swear that the typo was un-intentional, but damn is it funny.

MightyTExan
05-02-2006, 02:09 PM
Vernon Davis was in tears, Bush doesn't look too happy.........
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5566386_18_1.jpg

Huge
05-02-2006, 02:12 PM
Ms. Cleo? What are the lottery numbers?
Ms. Cleo claimed to be a psychic. Of the reasons I listed, how many of them are predictions?

1. He can play more than just RB. - That's a simple fact. Meaning at times, Bush and McCallister can be on the field at the same time.

2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history. - Another simple fact.

3. McCallister can be traded/cut. - Another simple fact.

4. Bush is better than McCallister. - This is an opinion...not a fact or a prediction.

5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome. - Here's my one prediction...I like my chances.

6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California. - This is neither an opinion, fact or prediction.

Yep, then the city of New Orleans can really thank Bush if that (Saints moving to Los Angeles) happens...
That's the nature of the business. The City of New Orleans didn't draft Bush...the football team did.

Ok this makes "0" sense.

1. Ok he can play KR. (see Desmond Howard, another Heisman Trophy winner to play KR)
2. Realisticly most RB's don't. When bush only plays 15-18 touches a game, then sure he has a lesser injury risk factor, but play him 25-20 and tell me he's superman.
3. McCallister is one the highest paid RB's, he's not going anywhere without a heavy cap hit.
4. Ummm....not yet.
5. There aren't enought people to sell out anything in N.O.
6. Imagine if he did, it could turn out to be a bad move where there is no support for the team ala Rams.
1. He can line up as a WR as well. See point #1 above.

2. So it sounds like it'd be a good idea to have Bush as insurance for McCallister and vice versa. That way neither have to worry about carrying too much of a load.

3. Really? Steve McNair would be an enormous cap hit as well. Is that holding up the Titans from finding a way to cut ties with him?

4. I'd take my chances with Bush. And I'm a big believer in McCallister's abilities.

5. Ummmm...not yet.

6. That could happen...not that I'd care. There was a reason Houston was given an NFL team over LA despite the league wishes...they don't deserve one.

On top of already have a good RB in McCallister, they also signed Micheal Bennett as a free agent. So now their backfield could be really crowded.

But the logic is simple really. When you have an opportunity to draft a talent like Bush...you don't pass it up. Most understand this...some don't.

gg no re
05-02-2006, 02:15 PM
But the logic is simple really. When you have an opportunity to draft a talent like Bush...you don't pass it up. Most understand this...some don't.People should really stop using this argument. It's easily defeatable with one name.

Huge
05-02-2006, 02:23 PM
People should really stop using this argument. It's easily defeatable with one name.
It's also able to be supported using a ton of other names.

thunderkyss
05-02-2006, 02:24 PM
But the logic is simple really. When you have an opportunity to draft a talent like Bush...you don't pass it up. Most understand this...some don't.

The Texans still managed to get an A-B grade on the draft.... some people understand this............. some don't.

thunderkyss
05-02-2006, 02:25 PM
It's also able to be supported using a ton of other names.
football only, start naming them.

Huge
05-02-2006, 02:29 PM
The Texans still managed to get an A-B grade on the draft.... some people understand this............. some don't.
Are you aware of how many drafts are given good grades days after the draft is over and turn out to be crap?

football only, start naming them.
Heh...you can use the same team.

New Orleans drafted Deuce McCallister 2 years after drafting Ricky Williams in the 1st round. Think they made the right choice?

See how easy that was?

gg no re
05-02-2006, 04:28 PM
All you proved was that "Yes, you can pass up drafting a player of remarkable talent."

I mean, c'mon. What was the point of using that example?

All I understood was that Ricky Williams was once considered a talent that could not be passed up, and he turned out to be a talent that should have been passed up.

Brandon420tx
05-02-2006, 04:46 PM
New Orleans drafted Deuce McCallister 2 years after drafting Ricky Williams in the 1st round. Think they made the right choice?

On that instance, yes, they made the right choice, after making a bad one, but you were supposed to be finding proof that "When you have an opportunity to draft a talent like Bush...you don't pass it up. Most understand this...some don't"
Not, we screwed up on this one guy, so we fixed it 2 years later.

Huge
05-02-2006, 05:01 PM
All you proved was that "Yes, you can pass up drafting a player of remarkable talent."

I mean, c'mon. What was the point of using that example?

All I understood was that Ricky Williams was once considered a talent that could not be passed up, and he turned out to be a talent that should have been passed up.
On that instance, yes, they made the right choice, after making a bad one, but you were supposed to be finding proof that "When you have an opportunity to draft a talent like Bush...you don't pass it up. Most understand this...some don't"
Not, we screwed up on this one guy, so we fixed it 2 years later.
As I said, New Orleans drafted Duece McCallister two years after drafting Ricky Williams.

Williams' first two seasons in the league:
12 games, 253 carries, 884 yards
10 games, 248 carries, 1000 yards

Was there anything within those two years that made the Saints think they made a mistake?

gg no re
05-02-2006, 05:10 PM
Was there anything within those two years that made the Saints think they made a mistake?They drafted Deuce McAlister.

LikeABoss
05-02-2006, 05:20 PM
Vernon Davis was in tears, Bush doesn't look too happy.........
http://msn.foxsports.com/id/5566386_18_1.jpg

http://images.radcity.net/5346/1418789.jpg
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/LAAB11004300148_sp.jpeg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e108/darkstarr_drgga/post-175-1146664544.jpg

mexican_texan
05-02-2006, 05:27 PM
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/LAAB11004300148_sp.jpeg
Oh! ESPN says the Jets want me!

j/k

thunderkyss
05-02-2006, 09:44 PM
Are you aware of how many drafts are given good grades days after the draft is over and turn out to be crap?


Heh...you can use the same team.

New Orleans drafted Deuce McCallister 2 years after drafting Ricky Williams in the 1st round. Think they made the right choice?

See how easy that was?

It's no secret they were'nt happy with Ricky..... they looked at it as if it was a mistake to ever have him on that team. Maybe, they new something we didn't.......... maybe??

Then they give Duece a big payday...... and then sign Michael Bennet..... then they draft Reggie Bush.......... Because they needed a running back.

They've got a QB with stats better than David Carr's, never had a rating below 80(I think, or almost never), and just gives him away........ Even after firing their coaches, meaning they knew they had coaching problems....

Let's just say, that just because the Saints did it, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

As I said, New Orleans drafted Duece McCallister two years after drafting Ricky Williams.

Williams' first two seasons in the league:
12 games, 253 carries, 884 yards
10 games, 248 carries, 1000 yards

Was there anything within those two years that made the Saints think they made a mistake?

If you can gaurantee me that Ricky will straighten up, then I'd take him today, for his stats......... but he's done stuck it to Miami again..... I'm pretty sure getting rid of Ricky(who at that time, wore his helmet for 2 hours straight, and didn't sit with his team) had little to do with what he did on the field.

texplayer2
05-02-2006, 10:10 PM
Ok this makes "0" sense.

5. There aren't enought people to sell out anything in N.O.
.

I just heard something about 15,000 Reggie Jersey pre-ordered. Hmm must be alot of other cities buying his jersey? Yesterday I read that they have record ticket sales first because of Brees and now Bush.( Starting to sound like the Astros with all the bees). I bet some displaced fans will make the road trips.

MightyTExan
05-03-2006, 10:43 AM
Any news on a contract?

Errant Hothy
05-03-2006, 10:47 AM
Any news on a contract?

Or how y'all can pay your back feild with the cheap skate owner you've got?

Or how long before your team moves to LA?

whiskeyrbl
05-03-2006, 11:01 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2428398

read it and weep, suckas

Does this mean all Louisianians are gonna go back HOME NOW ! If so ,CONGRATS.

gg no re
05-03-2006, 12:11 PM
No one remembered what happened the last time a Bush was to help out New Orleans?

Errant Hothy
05-03-2006, 12:40 PM
No one remembered what happened the last time a Bush was to help out New Orleans?

LOL!

That's cold man, but funny as hell.

DFAN
05-03-2006, 05:46 PM
Yeah I was thinking why Dallas fans are on a Houston board and not the Cowboy board?:rolleyes:

It's the NFL section but don't Dallas have an NFL section?


Yes we do. Until this MB has a no Cowboy fan policy, I'll keep posting here. I very seldom post in the main forum here, I try to stay in the NFL forum and the tailgaiting forum. This Cowboy fan just hooked up one of your fellow Texans fans with a Blue Parking Pass to the Oct 15th game. I cant be that bad if I'm gettting Texan fans into the Blue Lot to tailgate and talk trash about my Cowboys and the famous 19-10 game. I know that will be brought up many times that day. May even drink some beer with them the night before the game.

mexican_texan
05-03-2006, 05:50 PM
Any news on a contract?
I wouldn't be surprised if he fires his agent. Plus, he has to wait for VY to sign a contract to make sure Bush gets max value. Before that, the Titans have to clear cap space by moving McNair. Before that, the Titans have to figure out a trade with the Ravens. Before that, Benson needs a new toupee.

Trap_Star
05-03-2006, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he fires his agent. Plus, he has to wait for VY to sign a contract to make sure Bush gets max value. Before that, the Titans have to clear cap space by moving McNair. Before that, the Titans have to figure out a trade with the Ravens.

I hope Major knows what he is doing. I would hate to see the Titans take advantage of his inexperience.

Before that, Benson needs a new toupee.

:heh:

gg no re
05-03-2006, 11:20 PM
It's all part of the relief effort.

gg no re
05-03-2006, 11:26 PM
I would wish the same, but it would be to no avail.

shadowdrinker_x
05-03-2006, 11:29 PM
Dude...Jammal brown is bieng moved to LT...We got Faine (Center) from The Browns in a draft trade, and we have Nesbit and Stinchcomb to play Guard...

it's just not updated yet..hence the word ''UNOFFICIAL'' depth chart...

If you go to the Saints website, and hit unofficial depth chart...that is the link He's showing...This whole thread was started on false premise...

texan279
05-03-2006, 11:40 PM
from www.kffl.com

Saints | R. Bush takes out ad to thank the fans
Wed, 3 May 2006 20:39:03 -0700

NewOrleansSaints.com reports New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush took out a full-page ad in the New Orleans Times-Picayune Wednesday, May 3, to thank Saints' fans for his welcome to the team. The text of the ad titled THANK YOU NEW ORLEANS read, "The welcome and support that I have received from the organization, the City of New Orleans, and the entire Saints community has been amazing. I am both excited and ready to do whatever I can to help this team and community move forward. There is a resilient, hopeful and winning attitude in New Orleans and with the Saints, that is contagious. I'm looking forward to an amazing career in New Orleans." The ad was signed, "Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saint"

thunderkyss
05-04-2006, 09:43 AM
from www.kffl.com

Saints | R. Bush takes out ad to thank the fans
Wed, 3 May 2006 20:39:03 -0700

NewOrleansSaints.com reports New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush took out a full-page ad in the New Orleans Times-Picayune Wednesday, May 3, to thank Saints' fans for his welcome to the team. The text of the ad titled THANK YOU NEW ORLEANS read, "The welcome and support that I have received from the organization, the City of New Orleans, and the entire Saints community has been amazing. I am both excited and ready to do whatever I can to help this team and community move forward. There is a resilient, hopeful and winning attitude in New Orleans and with the Saints, that is contagious. I'm looking forward to an amazing career in New Orleans." The ad was signed, "Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saint"

I saw a picture of the add on the net somewhere....... real classy.

Errant Hothy
05-04-2006, 09:46 AM
Dude...Jammal brown is bieng moved to LT...We got Faine (Center) from The Browns in a draft trade, and we have Nesbit and Stinchcomb to play Guard...

it's just not updated yet..hence the word ''UNOFFICIAL'' depth chart...

If you go to the Saints website, and hit unofficial depth chart...that is the link He's showing...This whole thread was started on false premise...

Why are Saints fan's so happy to have the bust-tastic (new adjetive for Lendale and Byron, with an alt meaning for Draft busts?) Faine?

This guy has been put on the trading block for the last two years, nad only untill now was he moved? He was picked by Butch freakin' Davis?

So in other words...Jeff Faine is a SPARE!

CaptainPatriot
05-04-2006, 11:32 AM
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.

I noticed you didn't mention Bush getting them to the Super Bowl.:confused: But then again no top running back has. Without a great Defense

El Tejano
05-04-2006, 11:47 AM
I am just glad the Saints didn't move to San Antonio or we would definetly be treated like we don't exist here in Texas.

eltoro
05-04-2006, 02:29 PM
I am just glad the Saints didn't move to San Antonio or we would definetly be treated like we don't exist here in Texas.

We really don't "exist" much outside of Houston...

kingh99
05-04-2006, 02:54 PM
from www.kffl.com

Saints | R. Bush takes out ad to thank the fans
Wed, 3 May 2006 20:39:03 -0700

NewOrleansSaints.com reports New Orleans Saints rookie RB Reggie Bush took out a full-page ad in the New Orleans Times-Picayune Wednesday, May 3, to thank Saints' fans for his welcome to the team. The text of the ad titled THANK YOU NEW ORLEANS read, "The welcome and support that I have received from the organization, the City of New Orleans, and the entire Saints community has been amazing. I am both excited and ready to do whatever I can to help this team and community move forward. There is a resilient, hopeful and winning attitude in New Orleans and with the Saints, that is contagious. I'm looking forward to an amazing career in New Orleans." The ad was signed, "Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saint"

Good. He can be the man there. I get the feeling the new Texans coaching staff wasn't ready to hand over the keys to the team quite yet. Having written this, somehow I feel Parcells or Shanahan or Belichick could have gotten his respect. I feel it was a respect issue in addition to the "Heisman RB are always too small to suceed in the NFL" mindset.

mvtrucking
05-04-2006, 07:40 PM
Not only is he not the #1 overall pick. He is also going to a team that has no starting C,LG,LT

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/depthchart.cfm

Are you serious? David Carr has been sacked almost 120 times since coming into the league in 2002. I don't think the Saints could give up that many sacks in 10 years. Granted they had a horrible season in almost every aspect of their play, but before that they were one of the better units up front in the NFL. Actually they have a several 1st round picks playing on their line. Jermane Mayberry G (1996 1st ), C Jeff Faine (2003 1st), and OT Jammal Brown (2005 1st). Add Jon Stinchcomb OT (2nd 2003) and a couple of others and you have the makings of a excellent O-line. By the way you all have a great board here.

Super Dave
05-05-2006, 12:51 AM
They've got a QB with stats better than David Carr's, never had a rating below 80(I think, or almost never), and just gives him away........ Even after firing their coaches, meaning they knew they had coaching problems....

Are you saying you would have traded David Carr for Aaron Brooks? If Aaron is so great why not throw in a pick... which round would that be???

gg no re
05-05-2006, 07:45 AM
Who would trade anything for Brooks? Guy's as random as they come.

The point that thunderkyss was trying to make was that the Saints suck hard on a coffee straw when it comes to personnel moves.

pyrotechnique
05-05-2006, 08:03 AM
Saints get: Reggie Bush

Texans get: Mario Williams PLUS a 40% rise in crime because their city rolled out the welcome mat for all the murderers, pimps, and thugs evacuated from new orleans.

We got the better deal...

kooldak
05-05-2006, 11:31 AM
If anybody would be understanding about drafting a RB when another talented RB is on the roster it'd be McCallister.

Reasons for drafting Bush:
1. He can play more than just RB.
2. McCallister doesn't have the greatest health history.
3. McCallister can be traded/cut.
4. Bush is better than McCallister.
5. Bush will sell out the Super Dome.
6. Imagine if the Saints do move to California.

Saints fan here. Just to clarify one part of this post, McCallister cannot be traded or cut at this point. He just signed a huge contract with a ton of bonus money. To cut or trade him now would be CAP suicide.

Payton has been excited about the prospect of using Deuce and Bush in the same backfield, much like USC used White and Bush. Using both of them should extend their careers (especially Deuce - and he has had some great things to say about sharing time with Bush) and cause some serious matchup issues with other teams.

FWIW, I think that Williams will turn out to be a great DE for you guys. If your FO thought that he was the best pick for the Texans, then great. We like Bush and are happy with our pick as well. Both teams will be glad that they picked these guys. Great board, BTW...

El Tejano
05-05-2006, 11:42 AM
Saints fan here. Just to clarify one part of this post, McCallister cannot be traded or cut at this point. He just signed a huge contract with a ton of bonus money. To cut or trade him now would be CAP suicide.

Payton has been excited about the prospect of using Deuce and Bush in the same backfield, much like USC used White and Bush. Using both of them should extend their careers (especially Deuce - and he has had some great things to say about sharing time with Bush) and cause some serious matchup issues with other teams.

FWIW, I think that Williams will turn out to be a great DE for you guys. If your FO thought that he was the best pick for the Texans, then great. We like Bush and are happy with our pick as well. Both teams will be glad that they picked these guys. Great board, BTW...

All I know is that the people of New Orleans owe the people of Houston big time. This makes the second time Houston has come to New Orleans rescue.

thunderkyss
05-05-2006, 11:53 AM
Who would trade anything for Brooks? Guy's as random as they come.

The point that thunderkyss was trying to make was that the Saints suck hard on a coffee straw when it comes to personnel moves.
I wasn't inferring about no coffee straw

gg no re
05-05-2006, 05:25 PM
Hmmm, well you should. They are great for analogies and metaphors, or so I'm led to believe.