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jerek
04-28-2006, 03:12 PM
Less than 24 hours away from the draft, I am quite certain, given the public statements of our intrepid GM, that tomorrow we are going to make the very unglamorous, sure to be unpopular decision and choose Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft.

As I continue to read through the majority of posts on this board, I am convinced that most people on this board don't even know who Mario Williams is, other than "some DE" who is about to spoil their months-long favorite, Reggie Bush. That being the case, allow me to tell you about Mario Williams:

Williams leaves NCST as a junior who has had a solid but relatively unremarkable career. He put up 13 sacks this season against a modest schedule. Despite that he has not amassed the spectacular highlight films of a Reggie Bush, nor the immortal status of local legend Vince Young, he is nonetheless an unprecedented physical specimen and is widely regarded by many coaching staffs and scouting departments around the league as being either equal to, slightly inferior to, or in some cases slightly superior to Reggie Bush. Though much less known or regarded amongst many fanbases, he is a bright yet somewhat raw recruit with as much upside as anyone in this year's draft, yet already a certain starter on virtually any NFL squad.

Willams has met with our coaching staff and has obviously impressed, given that his name is even in mention with once unaninimous decision Reggie Bush, let alone as a "50/50 candidate."

Here is just some of what others are saying about MW:

"An amazing natural athlete with rare ability...Has excellent size and a big frame with long arms...Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game...Moves well and has very good speed and quickness...Has great range and can make plays all over the field...Productive and really came on down the stretch, ending his college career with a bang...Still developing and has not yet reached his full potential." - Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown.com (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/mariowilliams.html))

"Possesses a rare combination of size, athletic ability and speed. Is tall and well-built. Massive wingspan with long arms and big hands. Prototypical looking DE but with exceptional natural athleticism. He flashes rare playmaking skills when he gives good effort and plays with solid technique. His upside is outstanding. He shows very good initial quickness for his size. Is able to beat most OT's with his first step. Has a powerful upper body and shows the potential to develop a wide array of effective pass rush moves. He possesses the top end speed and body control to consistently turn the corner as a perimeter pass rusher. He is a smooth, fluid athlete with outstanding COD skills for his size. Is extremely mobile and shows the ability to consistently stay off of blocks and make plays in pursuit vs. the run. He shows good speed when chasing and makes a lot of plays from behind. Is a decent open-field tackler. Shows a natural nose for the ball and generates a lot of big plays when he's in the vicinity. Effort, technique and bulk are areas of concern, but he has made progress in all three over the course of his three seasons at N.C. State. Is a young prospect that only turned 21 years old on Jan. 31st, 2006.
(ESPN Insider Preview, from Scouts Inc.)

"Williams had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his two 40s in 4.66 and 4.72. He also recorded a 40-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, a 4.36 short shuttle, a 7.19 three-cone drill and 35 bench presses. He played running back and defensive end in high school. He averaged 10 yards per carry as a running back, notched 13 sacks and blocked five kicks. He graduated high school in three-and-a-half years and entered N.C. State in December 2002. He started 13 games in 2003, 11 in 2004 and 12 in 2005. He had 25 career sacks. A player much like the Panthers' Julius Peppers, Williams has great upside and is an outstanding athlete. He's very strong (35 lifts), and can be a player like the Patriots' Richard Seymour and play both end and tackle at a high level. Because of his size, things come very easy for him and he sometimes takes a play or two off. He needs to play with more urgency every play. He should be an All-Pro, Pro Bowl-type player." - NFL.com, Gil Brandt

AT THE COMBINE:
Bench pressed 225 lbs 35 (39 according to the Chron?) times.
40.5 in vertical jump.
4.66 and 4.72 in the 40.
4.36 short shuttle.
7.19 three-cone drill.
6'7", 295 lbs.

DISCLAIMER: If I am wrong in regards to this bold and fearless prediction, that is fine. I like Reggie Bush, I think he will have a fine NFL career, and I would not be upset or disappointed in the least if he has said fine NFL career with the Houston Texans. I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.

Mario Williams
04-28-2006, 03:13 PM
It's Reggie Bush buddy.

Mike Kerns
04-28-2006, 03:15 PM
I think you're awesome Jerek, but I pray you are wrong.

kingh99
04-28-2006, 03:18 PM
Less than 24 hours away from the draft, I am quite certain, given the public statements of our intrepid GM, that tomorrow we are going to make the very unglamorous, sure to be unpopular decision and choose Mario Williams with the first pick of the draft.

As I continue to read through the majority of posts on this board, I am convinced that most people on this board don't even know who Mario Williams is, other than "some DE" who is about to spoil their months-long favorite, Reggie Bush. That being the case, allow me to tell you about Mario Williams:

Williams leaves NCST as a junior who has had a solid but relatively unremarkable career. He put up 13 sacks this season against a modest schedule. Despite that he has not amassed the spectacular highlight films of a Reggie Bush, nor the immortal status of local legend Vince Young, he is nonetheless an unprecedented physical specimen and is widely regarded by many coaching staffs and scouting departments around the league as being either equal to, slightly inferior to, or in some cases slightly superior to Reggie Bush. Though much less known or regarded amongst many fanbases, he is a bright yet somewhat raw recruit with as much upside as anyone in this year's draft, yet already a certain starter on virtually any NFL squad.

Willams has met with our coaching staff and has obviously impressed, given that his name is even in mention with once unaninimous decision Reggie Bush, let alone as a "50/50 candidate."

Here is just some of what others are saying about MW:

"An amazing natural athlete with rare ability...Has excellent size and a big frame with long arms...Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game...Moves well and has very good speed and quickness...Has great range and can make plays all over the field...Productive and really came on down the stretch, ending his college career with a bang...Still developing and has not yet reached his full potential." - Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown.com (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/mariowilliams.html))

"Possesses a rare combination of size, athletic ability and speed. Is tall and well-built. Massive wingspan with long arms and big hands. Prototypical looking DE but with exceptional natural athleticism. He flashes rare playmaking skills when he gives good effort and plays with solid technique. His upside is outstanding. He shows very good initial quickness for his size. Is able to beat most OT's with his first step. Has a powerful upper body and shows the potential to develop a wide array of effective pass rush moves. He possesses the top end speed and body control to consistently turn the corner as a perimeter pass rusher. He is a smooth, fluid athlete with outstanding COD skills for his size. Is extremely mobile and shows the ability to consistently stay off of blocks and make plays in pursuit vs. the run. He shows good speed when chasing and makes a lot of plays from behind. Is a decent open-field tackler. Shows a natural nose for the ball and generates a lot of big plays when he's in the vicinity. Effort, technique and bulk are areas of concern, but he has made progress in all three over the course of his three seasons at N.C. State. Is a young prospect that only turned 21 years old on Jan. 31st, 2006.
(ESPN Insider Preview, from Scouts Inc.)

"Williams had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran his two 40s in 4.66 and 4.72. He also recorded a 40-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot long jump, a 4.36 short shuttle, a 7.19 three-cone drill and 35 bench presses. He played running back and defensive end in high school. He averaged 10 yards per carry as a running back, notched 13 sacks and blocked five kicks. He graduated high school in three-and-a-half years and entered N.C. State in December 2002. He started 13 games in 2003, 11 in 2004 and 12 in 2005. He had 25 career sacks. A player much like the Panthers' Julius Peppers, Williams has great upside and is an outstanding athlete. He's very strong (35 lifts), and can be a player like the Patriots' Richard Seymour and play both end and tackle at a high level. Because of his size, things come very easy for him and he sometimes takes a play or two off. He needs to play with more urgency every play. He should be an All-Pro, Pro Bowl-type player." - NFL.com, Gil Brandt

AT THE COMBINE:
Bench pressed 225 lbs 35 (39 according to the Chron?) times.
40.5 in vertical jump.
4.66 and 4.72 in the 40.
4.36 short shuttle.
7.19 three-cone drill.
6'7", 295 lbs.

DISCLAIMER: If I am wrong in regards to this bold and fearless prediction, that is fine. I like Reggie Bush, I think he will have a fine NFL career, and I would not be upset or disappointed in the least if he has said fine NFL career with the Houston Texans. I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.

Reggie Bush is easily 3 times more important to this team than Williams. He's the table setter for Carr and the offense. He's the reason the O-line will be 3000% better. I cannot fathom the Texans screwing this up. It's truly unfathomable.

bad
04-28-2006, 03:18 PM
...I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice.

I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans. I still think we're drafting Bush, but I hope and expect that when the dust clears we'll all have the common sense (and common decency) to welcome ALL of our newest Texans with open arms.

And while I'm at it, peace on Earth would be nice.

And a ham sammich.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 03:21 PM
Jerek calls his shot. 'Bout time somebody called this one.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/kmkshot.jpg

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 03:23 PM
"unprecedented physical speciem" careful how you use the word unprecedented... Many believe he doesn't have the speed of a Peppers, who has set the 'precedent'.

"Outstanding pass rusher who can dominate a game" careful when you say this, because there were many games where he was a no show this year and the past few years... against a "modest schedule".

Most of his sacks came in the span of a few games, which hardly counts as dominant.

" I am merely calling it like I see it, and virtually everything this organization has said and done this last week points to Mario Williams being our choice."
...with the exception of multiple contract negotiations with Bush and only a few charitable exchanges with Williams.

I am not Anti-MW, I only think that for the #1 overall pick, you take the best available with as little downside, and I don't see how Bush doesn't fit that mold better than MW.

MW will not put fans in the seats and will not draw attention NATIONALLY to the Texans. RB, his Adidas contract, and all his Subway sandwiches make us a prime time team to watch.

There was a good article somewhere about the attention that Bush brings nationally and internationally which would make McNair's quest to become the NY Yankees of the NFL more achievable. Might have been Jon Lopez. But it makes the most sense.

I like both players and would be happy with either, however, I prefer being safe with Bush at #1 and think the AFC South has their hands full chasing him and AJ around the field.

The Duke
04-28-2006, 03:24 PM
I am with you. I think Williams is a better fit for this team long term.

Defense wins Championships!!!!

:stirpot:

Texans_Chick
04-28-2006, 03:28 PM
I still think we're drafting Bush, but I hope and expect that when the dust clears we'll all have the common sense (and common decency) to welcome ALL of our newest Texans with open arms.

And while I'm at it, peace on Earth would be nice.

And a ham sammich.

What? No refreshing beverage????

Nice post Jerek.

I agree with the above quote. And will add that if we pick Williams, I will try to improve my PSLs even better and buy from some disappointed sucka.

WildBlackBear32
04-28-2006, 03:30 PM
MW will not put fans in the seats and will not draw attention NATIONALLY to the Texans. RB, his Adidas contract, and all his Subway sandwiches make us a prime time team to watch.

Why not? If Mario leads the defense in sacks and helps turn them around statistically the team will be winning more, no? When you win you get butts in the seats. You get media attention. Hell, even top defensive ends get good jersey sales. I was pro-Reggie Bush and Anti-Mario for a long time, now I'm really up in the air about both. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.

Porky
04-28-2006, 03:33 PM
Reggie Bush is easily 3 times more important to this team than Williams. He's the table setter for Carr and the offense. He's the reason the O-line will be 3000% better. I cannot fathom the Texans screwing this up. It's truly unfathomable.

Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 03:38 PM
Why not? If Mario leads the defense in sacks and helps turn them around statistically the team will be winning more, no? When you win you get butts in the seats. You get media attention. Hell, even top defensive ends get good jersey sales. I was pro-Reggie Bush and Anti-Mario for a long time, now I'm really up in the air about both. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.

Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.

jerek
04-28-2006, 03:39 PM
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.

Come on porky, don't gas out on me yet. What is wrong about that is that this quote is exactly the same thing -- almost word for word -- that you have been criticizing in the Young camp.

I truly hope you can embrace the massive upside of both Bush and Williams. As I say, I like both of them and would be overly excited to watch either suit up for us next year. Both are tremendous game changers and both are going to do big things in this league. I just firmly believe MW is going to be a Texan this time tomorrow.

bad
04-28-2006, 03:41 PM
...Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard... Yep. Pretty stupid. But stupider than picking a player because a mattress salesman demanded it? 'Cuz that would be Super Duper Stupid.

:stirpot:

V Man
04-28-2006, 03:41 PM
. A top DE is 10x harder to come by than a top RB.

This is why I think they are still talking to two players. Even as good as Bush is, Kubiack knows with his system you can win will a solid back not necessarily a stud one. But on the other hand, our pass rush stinks out loud. That is why I wouldn't hate getting Bush, but I am personally pulling for Super Mario :superman:

jerek
04-28-2006, 03:42 PM
Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.

I do not really give a damn about national media attention to be honest with you. Mike Vick got national media attention -- went to the Pro Bowl again this year, despite sucking -- and the Falcons got a big flash in the pan for that multi million dollar contract. Ask New England how that "no media attention" thing is working out for them. Show me the Reggie Bush on that lousy team. I want to watch wins, and fans want to watch wins. Not in the ballpark of saying Reggie Bush won't make us a better team, but the FO has to be concerned with winning. If they feel Mario Williams improves this team more than Reggie Bush, then they draft Mario Williams.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 03:43 PM
I say let him fight it out with this guy.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/a-ferguson1.jpg

Everybody wins.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/MarioWilliams.jpg

jerek
04-28-2006, 03:43 PM
He is a little drunk dont mind him, I know you know the World knows it is Reggie Bush, I just feel bad it looks like he put a lot of work into that picture.

Not really, took less than ten minutes :) I just have Photoshop skill on top of skill. Besides, I'm not drunk, I'm at the office. I am however afraid that lot of people are going to be angry drunks about this time tomorrow, which sucks, because we are going to be getting an amazing player and it is going to take half of this board eight games into the season and halfway toward a DROY campaign to warm up to that fact.

david0205
04-28-2006, 03:44 PM
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.

AMEN AMEN....freaking retards....you know, TAKE ME. I will sign for 10% less than Alex Smith. Forget Bush and Williams. Ask Trevor Cobb is he wants to come out of retirement!!!

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 03:46 PM
I do not really give a damn about national media attention to be honest with you. Mike Vick got national media attention -- went to the Pro Bowl again this year, despite sucking -- and the Falcons got a big flash in the pan for that multi million dollar contract. Ask New England how that "no media attention" thing is working out for them. Show me the Reggie Bush on that lousy team. I want to watch wins, and fans want to watch wins. Not in the ballpark of saying Reggie Bush won't make us a better team, but the FO has to be concerned with winning. If they feel Mario Williams improves this team more than Reggie Bush, then they draft Mario Williams.

With all due respecet, it isn't about what you want. It is what McNair wants. A man doesn't get that rich and then say, "You know what? I am good now. I don't want too much money."

Bush is more marketable, and I feel McNair would like to believe that with his talent, he can get a stud offense and if we suck this year (which is a distinct possibility), take a stud DE next year after the Peek/Babin at RDE experiment turns into a debacle. This team has never had an explosive offense... and if we can fix that, then football is more exciting because at least we score.

CHICKS DIG THE LONGBALL.

I like MW too. If we get him I am 100% behind him. Tomorrow only really tells us as fans what development path mgmt is taking with the team - win now vs. win later.

WildBlackBear32
04-28-2006, 03:48 PM
Not for garnering national attention... Chicks dig the longball. Imagine the Texans power by having a native SoCal product on your team... with no LA team and SD moving to Vegas.

Reggie has way more star power than Williams... undisputed. And that is what will drive national attention.

What I'm imagining is having two runningbacks with FAT contracts on the same team. A team who was DEAD last in rush defense and middle of the pack in rush offense last season. A team who gave up THE MOST POINTS IN THE LEAGUE.

Media attention is nice and all, but I'll take Ws.

Texans_Chick
04-28-2006, 03:48 PM
Ditto. Williams will not have the impact a Bush will have, and the fans will revolt. Mcnair will be persona non grata and worse than Bottom Line Bud. Picking a player because of signability has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I truly hope this is a smokescreen.


I think that the Texans are being aggressive with this because of Joel Segal being a wild card. He has never had a first pick in the draft and he has had a high percentage of his first round players hold out. We cannot afford to spend a bunch of money on RB holding out--too many things that he needs to work on in the offense--there is too much stuff going on with new stuff--don't need a non-signed first pick too.

Segal gets his money from this contract. Not from all the marketing stuff going on because that goes to the marketing firm.

jerek
04-28-2006, 03:52 PM
Okay buddy.........Bets?

I will put up $25 to the first four takers, though I am sketchy about MB bets because I frankly do not put much faith in being paid if I win. So if you accept, I sincerely hope you will be a big man and pay. And I only wager that $100 max because while I am a gambling man that takes educated risks, I do not wager what I cannot afford to lose, and I do not intend to wager more than is necessary to prove a point and have a little fun in the process.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 03:54 PM
What I'm imagining is having two runningbacks with FAT contracts on the same team. A team who was DEAD last in rush defense and middle of the pack in rush offense last season. A team who gave up THE MOST POINTS IN THE LEAGUE.

Media attention is nice and all, but I'll take Ws.

Correct... there is no disputing that. I want W's as well because there is nothing like sitting home and watching your team win the a**-hander's award for the 16th straight week.

It is McNair's money and he will do with it as he pleases to grow that money. Having Reggie with national endorsements increases the Texans exposure. More team revenue, more national fervor and attendance for Texans, more free agents... better long term outlook. I have long said on different posts that this is not a 1 year turn around project. Next year's draft is about the defense.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 03:56 PM
I will put up $25 to the first four takers, though I am sketchy about MB bets because I frankly do not put much faith in being paid if I win. So if you accept, I sincerely hope you will be a big man and pay. And I only wager that $100 max because while I am a gambling man that takes educated risks, I do not wager what I cannot afford to lose, and I do not intend to wager more than is necessary to prove a point and have a little fun in the process.

I am in... $25, provided that Houston keeps the #1 pick. If Houston doesn't keep the #1, all best off.

jerek
04-28-2006, 03:58 PM
With all due respecet, it isn't about what you want. It is what McNair wants. A man doesn't get that rich and then say, "You know what? I am good now. I don't want too much money."

Bush is more marketable, and I feel McNair would like to believe that with his talent, he can get a stud offense and if we suck this year (which is a distinct possibility), take a stud DE next year after the Peek/Babin at RDE experiment turns into a debacle. This team has never had an explosive offense... and if we can fix that, then football is more exciting because at least we score.

CHICKS DIG THE LONGBALL.

I like MW too. If we get him I am 100% behind him. Tomorrow only really tells us as fans what development path mgmt is taking with the team - win now vs. win later.

You are correct that Bush is more marketable and will generate more revenue (at first).

That said, winning teams generate revenue. We've been over this argument before (not necessarily you and I, but I and others on this board) and I thought I had sufficiently proven that winning is a far more reliable and consistent generator of revenue. This argument didn't fly when it was a question of drafting Vince and it doesn't fly for questions of drafting Reggie either. As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.

As well, Bob McNair hires coaches and scouting staffs and VPs and all sorts of people with neat titles and job duties to assemble his team. You are sorely mistaken if you believe Bob McNair is going to step in and tell them to draft Reggie because of his "marketability." If that were the case then you and I both know Vince would have been the obvious choice from Day 1. You can't go five minutes on the board or listening to the radio in this city without hearing some teary-eyed rant about Vince and why so and so will no longer support the Texans now that they aren't drafting him, or some last minute plea to McNair to draft the guy, as if Vince was on death row looking for a last minute stay. Drafting Vince Young would give the Texans an immediate strangehold on the entire state of Texas.

This isn't about marketability, this is about who gives us the best shot at winning. Winning produces consistent and eventually much more explosive revenue, cut and dried, end of story.

stevo3883
04-28-2006, 04:00 PM
As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.


ummm, Tom Brady?

JDizzle
04-28-2006, 04:01 PM
But jerek, Mario Williams is such a RAW talent and has only had ONE GOOD YEAR, he's going to require some work in the NFL.

Wow, that looks strangely familiar ....

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 04:03 PM
Maybe it is who helps most. If RB is going to be a hold out, it could stunt his growth in Kube's system. Which would be a waste.

Defensive pass rush has been a problem for the Texans since the inception of the team, save for James Posey! LOL. So this is a no-brainer.

BTW, he had 14.5 sacks in 2005, not 13. Besides, his skills were sharpened in the 3rd quarter of the season, and look what he did. Upside anyone??

Porky
04-28-2006, 04:04 PM
I think that the Texans are being aggressive with this because of Joel Segal being a wild card. He has never had a first pick in the draft and he has had a high percentage of his first round players hold out. We cannot afford to spend a bunch of money on RB holding out--too many things that he needs to work on in the offense--there is too much stuff going on with new stuff--don't need a non-signed first pick too.

Segal gets his money from this contract. Not from all the marketing stuff going on because that goes to the marketing firm.

Aren't you jumping the gun here? You are making a big leap of logic. So, now if a prospect doesn't sign by draft day he is a holdout? They have 3 months to sign him after the draft. You don't let that rule your decision on draft day, and if they do take Williams that WILL be the deciding factor which is pathetic.

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:09 PM
ummm, Tom Brady?

Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a big arm, doesn't do much of anything but make good decisions in the pocket, and he was absolutely unknown until he became the cool-under-fire, topdog QB on a very well-rounded and well coached franchise.

If you want to liken him to Reggie Bush, feel free, but I don't. Any way, this has gotten off point. I'm not here to argue against Reggie Bush. I'm here to argue for Mario Williams.

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:11 PM
Maybe it is who helps most. If RB is going to be a hold out, it could stunt his growth in Kube's system. Which would be a waste.

Defensive pass rush has been a problem for the Texans since the inception of the team, save for James Posey! LOL. So this is a no-brainer.

BTW, he had 14.5 sacks in 2005, not 13. Besides, his skills were sharpened in the 3rd quarter of the season, and look what he did. Upside anyone??

Sounds like upside to me. I am glad to see you and others embracing Mario already. This is going better than I had expected it to.

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Here Here!!

He averaged almost 20 TFL per season!!!! Considering he avg's about 60 tckls per season.......he was in the backfield a lot!

Strong, big and fast! What's not to love??? Long arms, can jump, is dominating. Need I say more? Started as a Freshman! :superman:

Oh, I have been on the "Draft Mario" circuit for some time now. He is a beast, and he is the DE that the team needs to help the defense....which will help the offense.

Buffi2
04-28-2006, 04:12 PM
Aren't you jumping the gun here? You are making a big leap of logic. So, now if a prospect doesn't sign by draft day he is a holdout? They have 3 months to sign him after the draft.

Triple true - but McNair doesn't like to play that 3 month game. He has a horse race next weekend and certainly can't be worrying his pretty little head about football players not signing contracts. Can't blame him - if Bush wants to be drafted as #1 - he will sign.

You don't let that rule your decision on draft day, and if they do take Williams that WILL be the deciding factor which is pathetic.

Also true - but between these two players, I don't think you can go wrong - so you might as well get the one who is willing to sign, get the show on the road, and make it to camp on time. Whichever one - Williams or Bush - the Texans will be a better team because they are here - maybe not as flashy with Williams - but still better. No matter which one we sign - there will be the woulda shoulda coulda folks who follow those we didn't pick ad nauseum.

My sincere hope is that the Texans are never in this position again.:cool:

stevo3883
04-28-2006, 04:13 PM
Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round. He isn't fast, he doesn't have a big arm, doesn't do much of anything but make good decisions in the pocket, and he was absolutely unknown until he became the cool-under-fire, topdog QB on a very well-rounded and well coached franchise.

If you want to liken him to Reggie Bush, feel free, but I don't. Any way, this has gotten off point. I'm not here to argue against Reggie Bush. I'm here to argue for Mario Williams.


seemed like you asked who the patriots superstar money maker media darling was, and it's obviously tom brady. I don't know about all of that other stuff...

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 04:13 PM
You are correct that Bush is more marketable and will generate more revenue (at first).

That said, winning teams generate revenue. We've been over this argument before (not necessarily you and I, but I and others on this board) and I thought I had sufficiently proven that winning is a far more reliable and consistent generator of revenue. This argument didn't fly when it was a question of drafting Vince and it doesn't fly for questions of drafting Reggie either. As I said, show me the Reggie Bush-esque player on the New England Patriots. I wonder how Robert Kraft manages to sleep at night with all of that revenue his mini dynasty generates, knowing that he doesn't have an ESPN nightly highlight reel guy on that entire roster.

As well, Bob McNair hires coaches and scouting staffs and VPs and all sorts of people with neat titles and job duties to assemble his team. You are sorely mistaken if you believe Bob McNair is going to step in and tell them to draft Reggie because of his "marketability." If that were the case then you and I both know Vince would have been the obvious choice from Day 1. You can't go five minutes on the board or listening to the radio in this city without hearing some teary-eyed rant about Vince and why so and so will no longer support the Texans now that they aren't drafting him, or some last minute plea to McNair to draft the guy, as if Vince was on death row looking for a last minute stay. Drafting Vince Young would give the Texans an immediate strangehold on the entire state of Texas.

This isn't about marketability, this is about who gives us the best shot at winning. Winning produces consistent and eventually much more explosive revenue, cut and dried, end of story.

I am not taking the VY bait, but the fact that Reggie has an adidas deal already signed is proof enough as to who America would be interested in tuning in to see.

Don't you want to be "America's team"?

stevo3883
04-28-2006, 04:15 PM
Here Here!!

He averaged almost 20 TFL per season!!!! Considering he avg's about 60 tckls per season.......he was in the backfield a lot!

Strong, big and fast! What's not to love??? Long arms, can jump, is dominating. Need I say more? Started as a Freshman! :superman:

inconsistant, questionable motor, and workout warrior.

can you say CAUTION FLAGS???

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 04:19 PM
inconsistant, questionable motor, and workout warrior.

can you say CAUTION FLAGS???

I wouldn't say that inconsistent and questionable motor are the red flags...

He was rumored to be asked to play within a scheme that limited his play (or something to that effect).

The red flag on him is the unknown of what he can/can't do because of that. Is it an inconsistent motor or a product of the system. It is up to coaching to decide.

Knowing that, I think that makes him more of a risk, which is not what you want at #1, with #1 money at risk. Some believe there is more upside, some believe that the upside is minimal. Either way, it is a trememdous risk for a #1 selection in my opinion.

I think he has tremendous upside.

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:21 PM
I am not taking the VY bait, but the fact that Reggie has an adidas deal already signed is proof enough as to who America would be interested in tuning in to see.

Don't you want to be "America's team"?

I understand your point, and as I have stated many times, IMO, Reggie Bush is one hell of a pickup for us. I am simply stating that I believe we are draftng Mario Williams. Casserly practically stamped it on his forehead these last three days. In the end, winning generates revenue.

America's team would be awesome, but look around the NFL. Who is currently "America's team?" The closest thing we've got, IMO, are the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are headlined by unflashy, fairly simplistic but extremely efficient quarterbacks. Neither have any Reggie-Bush-esque player on their roster. Both feature fantastic, dominating defenses. Neither show up on the ESPN highlight reels all too often. Both are brutally efficient in their execution of the game.

I myself am a fan of winning, first and foremost. Understand me: other than being $100 poorer for it, I have absolutely zero issue with us drafting Reggie. He will be a great NFL player, and I think he will make us that much better for having him. But, IMO, the "draft for popularity" is a weak argument. If it is a dead coin flip between MW and RB, then give the tie-breaker to popularity, sure. But if our coaches feel MW is going to make us better than RB will, then we simply have to draft MW. IMO.

bckey
04-28-2006, 04:29 PM
It is fine and all to make your prediction Jerek but to act like most people on these boards don't know much about Mario Williams is ridiculous.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 04:30 PM
I understand your point, and as I have stated many times, IMO, Reggie Bush is one hell of a pickup for us. I am simply stating that I believe we are draftng Mario Williams. Casserly practically stamped it on his forehead these last three days. In the end, winning generates revenue.

America's team would be awesome, but look around the NFL. Who is currently "America's team?" The closest thing we've got, IMO, are the Steelers and the Patriots. Both are headlined by unflashy, fairly simplistic but extremely efficient quarterbacks. Neither have any Reggie-Bush-esque player on their roster. Both feature fantastic, dominating defenses. Neither show up on the ESPN highlight reels all too often. Both are brutally efficient in their execution of the game.

I myself am a fan of winning, first and foremost. Understand me: other than being $100 poorer for it, I have absolutely zero issue with us drafting Reggie. He will be a great NFL player, and I think he will make us that much better for having him. But, IMO, the "draft for popularity" is a weak argument. If it is a dead coin flip between MW and RB, then give the tie-breaker to popularity, sure. But if our coaches feel MW is going to make us better than RB will, then we simply have to draft MW. IMO.

Solid thinking... I respect the point of view. Any way it works out, we get a hell of a player!

And btw, if there is a cool t-shirt, size large in that $25 price range at the draft day parties, then I would take that in lieu of cash. I'd re-imburse for any shipping and handling above and beyond $25.

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 04:30 PM
Houston is a dead "market". It is in the Third Coast, and everyone knows that LA and NYC are the markets. DAL gets love because of its storied history and SBs.

Houston barely got a sniff with the World Series/NBA All-Star game/ MLB All-Star Game/ SuperBowl combined!!!!

They mention Roger Clemens, and everyone talks about NY or Boston. David Carr was that sexy #1 pick, and look what he got out of it...Momentum BMW and Sienna Plantation commercials!! Woo Hoo.

So to think that drafting Reggie will shift the media circus' attention to Houston is just not thinking clearly.

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:31 PM
It is fine and all to make your prediction Jerek but to act like most people on these boards don't know much about Mario Williams is ridiculous.

I don't think it is ridiculous at all, friend. If you know all about Mario, great. Suffice it to say, I believe that most people don't. If you disagree with me, that is fine too.

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:32 PM
Solid thinking... I respect the point of view. Any way it works out, we get a hell of a player!

And btw, if there is a cool t-shirt, size large in that $25 price range at the draft day parties, then I would take that in lieu of cash. I'd re-imburse for any shipping and handling above and beyond $25.

Will do my best to score a good one for you, in the event that I am wrong. Any other takers?

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 04:34 PM
bckey, most people on here have never heard of Mario before Feb.....it was all about VY or Reggie Bush. Don't kid yourself!!!

Hmm, coaches let him take off after game 6 and look what happened. To have 5 and 6 sacks, then 14.5 shows something. Plus 20 TFL avg for 3 yrs shows something too.

Stop giving into the pro-RB banter.......Mario is the beast we have hoped for. We will finally make up for passing on Julius Peppers of 2002 Draft!

swtbound07
04-28-2006, 04:37 PM
Will do my best to score a good one for you, in the event that I am wrong. Any other takers?


Hey Jerek, could you grab me a shirt as well? No bets, i want williams too, but im in florida and will pay you for all costs (kindly keep it under 50 bucks total though)

*edit* im an extra large

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 04:41 PM
Hey Jerek, could you grab me a shirt as well? No bets, i want williams too, but im in florida and will pay you for all costs (kindly keep it under 50 bucks total though)

*edit* im an extra large


Dude, jerek... you got yourself a nice little side business here... include a 15% service fee on all orders of course.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2006, 04:42 PM
Lenny P, on ESPN news, just said that teh Texans are shifting their focus from Bush to Mario.

Getting interesting.

The Duke
04-28-2006, 04:42 PM
Check This Out!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818

jerek
04-28-2006, 04:44 PM
Lenny P, on ESPN news, just said that teh Texans are shifting their focus from Bush to Mario.

Getting interesting.

Believe me now or wait until tomorrow, but you might as well start dealing with it if you don't like Williams, or embrace it if you do.

Mario Williams is going to be a Texan.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2006, 04:48 PM
It could still be a smokescreen. Now if it's 10am tommorow and were stilling here Mario talk, then I'll start to beleive it.

Untill then: Trust No One!

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 04:55 PM
Does anyone feel like it is Xmas eve and you can't wait to see what is under the tree?

I have to wake up at 5:15am to play golf tomorrow am and know I won't get an ounce of sleep.

Ibar_Harry
04-28-2006, 04:58 PM
I posted in another thread ESPN's comments regarding the house situation from the owner. It sounds like a real mess including gang members. If McNair read any of that I don't see how they would continue to think about investing in Bush given what McNair is looking for in his football players. Reggie's world is blowing up fast. They also commented his family was upset with the fact that the Texans were playing hardball by using Williams.

I said if they thought we were bad try NO or Adams. I think a decision has been made that Bush is just not worth the hassle, plus Williams is going to give you more playing time for the buck. Williams is actually a better fit in terms of what we need.

We are talking big dollars and the spector of Bush with all of his problems raises some real serious questions. I think there beginning to think he could be a bust or perhaps busted. Well, now I would like anyone other than Bush.

exclude
04-28-2006, 05:02 PM
Not really, took less than ten minutes :) I just have Photoshop skill on top of skill. Besides, I'm not drunk, I'm at the office. I am however afraid that lot of people are going to be angry drunks about this time tomorrow, which sucks, because we are going to be getting an amazing player and it is going to take half of this board eight games into the season and halfway toward a DROY campaign to warm up to that fact.

Manny Lawson, his linemate at NCST, will probably be the DROY.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 05:03 PM
I posted in another thread ESPN's comments regarding the house situation from the owner. It sounds like a real mess including gang members. If McNair read any of that I don't see how they would continue to think about investing in Bush given what McNair is looking for in his football players. Reggie's world is blowing up fast. They also commented his family was upset with the fact that the Texans were playing hardball by using Williams.

I said if they thought we were bad try NO or Adams. I think a decision has been made that Bush is just not worth the hassle, plus Williams is going to give you more playing time for the buck. Williams is actually a better fit in terms of what we need.

We are talking big dollars and the spector of Bush with all of his problems raises some real serious questions. I think there beginning to think he could be a bust or perhaps busted. Well, now I would like anyone other than Bush.

Looks like extortion. Plus, the gang relationship was between the stepfather and Lake, not Reggie. I wouldn't characterize this one situation as 'all of his problems'. This is a single situation between Bush's relatives and the ThreeR ing Cirucs Sports Agency, at this point.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2006, 05:08 PM
No negotiations with Reggie in teh last 24 hours. From McNair's mouth via Mort.

Ibar_Harry
04-28-2006, 05:13 PM
Looks like extortion. Plus, the gang relationship was between the stepfather and Lake, not Reggie. I wouldn't characterize this one situation as 'all of his problems'. This is a single situation between Bush's relatives and the ThreeR ing Cirucs Sports Agency, at this point.

Yes, but you have the possibility of someone wanting to hurt someone in this case. As more comes out it is looking not so cool. I think McNair has said no dice. May be they even said something that got back to him.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 05:14 PM
I hope you are as excited as I am, and I hope that even the staunchest Bush or Young supporter will join me in welcoming Mr. Mario Williams to the Houston Texans.

I'm fine with that, as long as those "Bush Bowl" fans don't get their way.

houstonhurricane
04-28-2006, 05:15 PM
Well, at least we are inching toward being the stupidest franchise in the league. If we don't want Bush, then that is one thing. However, if we are going to take Williams over Ferguson we might as well pack it in. Heck, just try to trade down a few spots for a mere second round pick.

ArlingtonTexan
04-28-2006, 05:16 PM
Even as Houston Texans officials continued to insist they have made no decision about the first selection in the draft, there were strong indications Friday afternoon that the team has redirected its focus to North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams.


Texans executives were in substantive negotiations with Ben Dogra, the representative for Williams, throughout the day. Conversely, ESPN.com learned that the agent for Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush had not heard from the Texans, as of late Friday afternoon, in more than 24 hours.


The two sides spoke twice Thursday, but only briefly and made no progress toward an accord. During the week, progress was incremental and one person close to the discussions termed them "a little bit like being in quicksand."


In addition, league sources told ESPN.com that, in terms of guaranteed money, the latest offer made to Williams exceeds the best proposal made to Bush.


Minus any conversations with the Bush camp since Thursday, there seemed little chance the Texans could strike a pre-draft accord with the draft's highest-profile performer even if they were to jump-start the negotiations on Friday evening.


Texans general manager Charley Casserly had cautioned earlier in the week that anyone concluding the team had decided on Bush and was only using Williams as leverage was mistaken. He reiterated that the Texans were serious about both players, negotiating with both agents, and that one of the two would be the top pick.


Dogra, however, was originally reluctant to enter into negotiations because he felt that his client might be used to force Bush into a deal. Clearly, the Texans convinced him that was not the case.


Were the Texans to choose Williams, it would mark the first time since 2000 that a defensive player was the first prospect off the board. The Cleveland Browns chose defensive Courtney Brown with the first pick that year.


The choice of Williams by the Texans could also dramatically alter the landscape of the early segment of the first round. The New Orleans Saints, with the second choice, have indicated they would snap up Bush if he fell to their slot. But the Saints had hinted, in general, that they might entertain trade offers for their pick.


The availability of Bush at the No. 2 spot would almost certainly elicit trade offers.


Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

LikeABoss
04-28-2006, 05:18 PM
Yes, the Texans should take Mario Williams so the Saints can get Reggie Bush.

I support this thread.

Edit:

The mods should make this thread a sticky.

TexasJedi
04-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Welcome Mario. If the Texans started the whole Mario thing as a smokescreen, their smokescreen has blinded their own eyes. He better be Manning/ Leinart's worst nightmare.

jerek
04-28-2006, 05:55 PM
Geez, does Casserly have to write it on a wall in blood? How much clearer could he have made it? Now that these "official" reports are leaking through the cracks, maybe you'll start to believe? :)

Texas_Thrill
04-28-2006, 06:08 PM
Reggie Bush is easily 3 times more important to this team than Williams. He's the table setter for Carr and the offense. He's the reason the O-line will be 3000% better. I cannot fathom the Texans screwing this up. It's truly unfathomable.

Please stop drinking the Jonestown Kool-Aid.

The table setter? Far reaching more than a bit. RB doesn't know the blocking schemes for one and I hate to tell you but your precious RB WILL have to block if he's going to make the o-line a bajillion gazillion times better.

DD is a good back and he hasn't made the o-line better? Where is the logic in that statement?

The GAMES are won in the TRENCHES. Championships are WON by DEFENSE.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 06:20 PM
from kffl.com
Texans | Still willing to deal pick
Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:06:40 -0700

According to the NFL Network, Houston Texans owner Bob McNair said the team is willing to trade down from the No. 1 spot in the upcoming NFL Draft if the right offer comes along.


I still believe that we are posturing... too much leaked information... Team McNair has their marketing hat on today.

Texans_Chick
04-28-2006, 06:21 PM
If we take Mario, I will be his biggest fan. Because he will need us.

I cannot imagine being the player chosen instead of Vince and Reggie. That would be a ton of pressure on a kid. A big kid, but still basically a kid. And one not used to Vince/Reggie pressure.

The expectations for high round picks is usually kind of silly, but the pressure on Mario would be sick. It would make the pressure on Babin to justify that trade up look like nothing.

Whoever we pick, I will support them and just get ready for the REAL season--some football, baby! :redtowel:

beerlover
04-28-2006, 06:23 PM
MorKnolle you out there? you've gotta be :) well its not over yet there big buddy I smell a trade down and you know what that means :drool:

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 06:24 PM
If we take Mario, I will be his biggest fan. Because he will need us.

I cannot imagine being the player chosen instead of Vince and Reggie. That would be a ton of pressure on a kid. A big kid, but still basically a kid. And one not used to Vince/Reggie pressure.

The expectations for high round picks is usually kind of silly, but the pressure on Mario would be sick. It would make the pressure on Babin to justify that trade up look like nothing.

Whoever we pick, I will support them and just get ready for the REAL season--some football, baby! :redtowel:

Excellent point. I believe the phrase is "careful what you wish for, you just might get it." In this case, he might not like what the expectations are.

HJam72
04-28-2006, 06:36 PM
I think they should offer Bush at least as much as they offer Williams. Not knocking Williams, but I think this is getting rediculous. I think I'm going to TRY to stay off the boards until after the draft. See y'all later.

Notice I spelled y'all right. :)

jerek
04-28-2006, 07:24 PM
I'd say I told you so, but ...

outofhnd
04-28-2006, 07:25 PM
I am so gonna laugh if mario isnt the pick...

texan279
04-28-2006, 07:26 PM
I'd say I told you so, but ...

Hey jerek can I use your avy?

Blu
04-28-2006, 07:27 PM
"If" it's Super MArio..I'm fine with that.
I think this is just hype to screw up everyother teams draft. great way to get the #1 pick value back up. folks will scramble.

outofhnd
04-28-2006, 07:29 PM
Doesnt matter to me who we take we have officially thrown a wrench in everyones mock draft and other teams draft plans...

TOmorrow will be great Television...

TexanSam
04-28-2006, 07:30 PM
Welcome Super Mario! Can't wait to see you to hit Peyton Manning into the ground! And Vince Young! And Byron Leftwich!

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 07:36 PM
This rules. I can't wait to see him puttin' people on their @.$.$.es. The only other time I broke out the red towel was for the Moulds signing.

:redtowel:

I'll go to bed tonight with visions of sack dances in my head...

The Transporter
04-28-2006, 07:37 PM
If this is true, then I have to give to give major props to Mr. McNair and Coach Kubiak. They could have easily give in to the outside pressure and take Vince Young or Reggie Bush. If they truly feel that this is the best decision for the team, then they have my full support.










I'm still for hoping for Reggie Bush :pigfly:

OzzO
04-28-2006, 07:43 PM
Mario - you came outta left field for me, gotta admit. At first it was Reggie after "Bush bowl" then it was Reggie v. Vince after Rose bowl... then onto Reggie v. you after Carr's extension. You came along at the end and overtook the previous "front runners". Congrats and get yourself that Steel blue suit and make us proud to be Texan fans. (Well, already am - but even moreso.)

Welcome to the Bull pen.

MorKnolle
04-28-2006, 07:48 PM
MorKnolle you out there? you've gotta be :) well its not over yet there big buddy I smell a trade down and you know what that means :drool:

I am definitely smiling about this one, I would love to be all catty with the "I told you so"s but I will try to resist and answer whatever concerns/questions people have about Mario that I might be able to help with. There will be no trade downs, it has always been Mario vs. Bush and they are not going to pass on both of those talents for anyone else. MARIO IS COMING TO HOUSTON!!!! We need Monarch to construct one of his infamous posts but change it to a pro-Mario stance.

Tale Gator
04-28-2006, 07:51 PM
Welcome Mario -- now lets hope the Mods start locking up some of the other 'Welcome Mario' threads. ;)

OldOilerFan
04-28-2006, 07:51 PM
Mario Williams had 10.5 of his 13 sacks in 3 games last year. I would hardly call that consistent or dominant. He wasn't even the ACC Def Player of the Year. Can he end up being great? Sure, anything is possible and he is only 21. He has great upside. But is he worth the #1 pick? Not at all.

These comparisions to Peppers are premature. When you watched Peppers at UNC, he just jumped off the screen. You just knew that he was going to be great. I don't get that feeling with Williams.

As my monikor suggests, I'm an Old Oiler Fan but have been hoping and rooting for the Texans to get it together and field a competitive and fun team to watch. I really can't believe that they are going to pass up on 2 of the most amazing and accomplished college football athletes of the past 20 years for a workout warrior project! Amazing!

Screw it! Go Titans!

jerek
04-28-2006, 07:51 PM
Welcome Mario -- now lets hope the Mods start locking up some of the other 'Welcome Mario' threads. ;)

Seriously, what a bunch of imitators. :) Either way, I'm good with it.

footballguy69
04-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Well, first of all I hope this is just a rumor. Why??? Because there are still hours before the draft and we are already playing our hand? I admit I want Bush more than Williams, but we definitely need a pass rusher also. Our pass rush is pathetic. I have six PSL's and have been trying to sell two and I now have no idea how this will now affect that. Having said that........I have no problem with the choosing of Mario Williams, but I have to ask, did we try to trade down as Mario most likely would have been there at the #4 spot if that is truly what we wanted? I have to really question who is making the ultimate decision....Kubiak, McNair or Casserly? Or is it a combination of all three? (Soon we will probably know) I cannot believe that after the Texans were saying Bush, Bush, then Bush or Mario and now saying Mario on the eve before the draft as we prematurely make an announcement when other offers could be out there for the pick. This makes me really question our draft day logic. Regardless I will still be a diehard Texan fan. If this is true I hope Mario puts a picture of Vince on his locker because he will be chasing him twice a year! :challenge :superman: :redtowel: :brickwall

Farough
04-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Im good with it too

kastofsna
04-28-2006, 07:58 PM
as a dolphins fan i'd rather my defense face bush than williams.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 07:59 PM
Seriously, what a bunch of imitators. :) Either way, I'm good with it.

Seriously, PM me with the address. Sonuva-B.

I - did - not - see - that - coming.

Oh well, at least we don't need to worry about defense as much. I wonder if this changes pick #33.

At least we finally have someone to tee off on Manning. Welcome!

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 09:11 PM
To jerek and all of the other Mario wanters....we got our guy!!!!! HELL YES!!!

Now let's see what happens with the rest of the draft!

jerek
04-28-2006, 09:21 PM
To jerek and all of the other Mario wanters....we got our guy!!!!! HELL YES!!!

Now let's see what happens with the rest of the draft!

I'm happy.

keyfro
04-28-2006, 09:25 PM
everyone needs to get over this...we don't need to be like the phili eagles fans here...the texans went with the guy they feel can help them beat the indy colts best...mario williams is a super beast...if he is everything that julius peppers turned out to be you can't be upset...you never know whats going to happen to a runningback...acl's go out quickly with them

TexanBorn51
04-28-2006, 09:33 PM
I'm loving every minute of it all the way to the start of the next exciting Houston Texan seasons. Remember with planning and patience there's always again a draft filled with outstanding talent next and each and every year. Fans, this is just the beginning to an all new winning future era in Texan football. It's not one player it's one team to win. Some of the greatest NFL players have made marks in the game but not necessarily championships. :fans:

Tulip
04-28-2006, 10:27 PM
Thanks to Jerek, who had the foresight to start this thread early in the afternoon. :)

Welcome to our newest Texan, Mario Williams!

I saw his interview on ESPN, and I am so pumped that he's pumped.

This set of front 7 players is going to enable the Texans' defense to show lots of different looks this year. We'll have offenses on their heels!

:redtowel:

(ETA: Thanks for the avatar, Jerek)

PapaL
04-28-2006, 10:32 PM
Hopefully you can hit some QB's and our next pick can save our QB. Welcome to the family.

rbmalone
04-28-2006, 10:35 PM
Its not his fault, but this is a stupid pick. He is great but Reggie was being compared to Gale. There is not comparison when the talent potential is in question. Listen to the professional analyst.

YodAa
04-28-2006, 10:36 PM
i dont think i have to fully say where i welcome mario williams and the texans front office to go

D-Rob23
04-28-2006, 10:37 PM
Definitely the right pick! Get Ready

http://www.redandwhitefromstate.com/images/articles/20051126135536674_1.jpg

MikeMc
04-28-2006, 11:28 PM
He..He..He sounds like a big choo-choo train!

texasguy346
04-28-2006, 11:31 PM
I'm glad we got Mario. I've been rooting for him to be the pick for sometime, and this will be the first guy I backed for our pick to actually be the Texans pick. That could either be a very good thing or a very bad thing. I might have jinxed Mario, but I'm hoping I haven't. In the last couple weeks I didn't think it was even possible that he'd be our pick, but once they started up negotiations it at least gave him a chance at being the guy. In the end it turns out he will be the pick. Congrats to Mario. I can't wait to see him out on the field.


Side note: Guess this is making Kiper really say, "The Texans what?!?!? That just screwed up my whole dang top ten". Excellent acting by Kiper, or was it a prediction of things to come? Makes you think.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 11:36 PM
I'm fine with that, as long as those "Bush Bowl" fans don't get their way.


I posted this 6 hours ago........... I'm feeling pretty giddy right now, so I thought I'd quote myself.....

Tulip
04-29-2006, 10:03 AM
It's the next morning, a little over an hour before our selection becomes official, and I'm still feeling good about the decision.

The Texans have gone through so many changes this offseason, that they almost feel like a brand new team.

(P.S. Consolidation is awesome! :redtowel: )

Maddict5
03-08-2008, 01:30 PM
huge mistake....:laughjump:

ObsiWan
03-08-2008, 02:14 PM
...and you dug this up becaaaaausse...???
:um:

brakos82
03-08-2008, 02:21 PM
I like this thread.

b0ng
03-08-2008, 06:43 PM
Wow, some of those guys need some ritalin holy cow.

Heh, this was an oldie but a goodie.

steds
03-08-2008, 06:45 PM
Welcome Mario.:shades:

Maddict5
03-08-2008, 06:56 PM
...and you dug this up becaaaaausse...???
:um:

its the off-season, im bored and i got a few laughs reading this... im a big fan or irony :splits:

ATXtexanfan
03-08-2008, 07:48 PM
man, that was a nice find, i remember i almost threw up in my mouth when i found out the texans signed mario the night before the draft, i was really upset, that was when i knew i was a TEXAN, however, living in the austin area i got crushed by all the longhorn fans on the pick, didn't realize they all considered me a texan fan, i'm glad mario has showed signs of being something special

drewmar74
03-08-2008, 07:57 PM
He'll never amount to anything. He's just a combine phenom. A regular workout warrior that won't produce anything.


:sarcasm:

eriadoc
03-08-2008, 08:12 PM
Go Jerek!!

Kaiser Toro
03-08-2008, 08:13 PM
In hindsight Bush may have set us back for years if we would have drafted him.

ATXtexanfan
03-08-2008, 08:32 PM
In hindsight Bush may have set us back for years if we would have drafted him.

yeah, that hope would have been hard to let go, not to mention the football world would have blamed us for ruining his career

drewmar74
03-08-2008, 09:02 PM
not to mention the football world would have blamed us for ruining his career

Boy, don't you know that's the truth. We would have gotten flamed for all eternity for snuffing out the career of the second coming of Gayle Sayers.

I just hear Steve Sabol's voice now "Bush was a rare talent coming out of college but his talent was wasted as he languished on the sidelines of the moribund Houston Texans."

Thorn
03-08-2008, 09:44 PM
I wasn't on the board at the time this thread was live, but it was sure fun reading the pre-Mario signing posts. Thanks for bumping it, it was a good read.

I was a VY guy, thought Bush was way over rated, but was glad to have Mario rather than Bush. But I sure was pissed at not getting Vince Young.

My, how reality and history changes things.

ATXtexanfan
03-08-2008, 10:33 PM
I wasn't on the board at the time this thread was live, but it was sure fun reading the pre-Mario signing posts. Thanks for bumping it, it was a good read.

I was a VY guy, thought Bush was way over rated, but was glad to have Mario rather than Bush. But I sure was pissed at not getting Vince Young.

My, how reality and history changes things.

are you still a vy guy? i live in the austin area and for the most part a lot of his biggest supporters are real anxious to see how he fares next year after norm chow was let go, was it a sophmore slump or has the league caught up to him? i thought he was gonna be a texan as well. i'm glad he wasn't because the bandwagon would have been full of those people who bleed orange yet don't know much about football

Wolf
03-08-2008, 10:39 PM
In hindsight Bush may have set us back for years if we would have drafted him.

come on KT,team might still have stunk but you'd get to see kim kardashian (however you spell it) in the stands for a time or two :specnatz:

Thorn
03-08-2008, 10:42 PM
Sorry, no, I am not now a VY guy. To much water is under the bridge now, and I'm foremost a Texan fan. That means I'm a Mario kind ah guy now. I wish Vince all the luck in the world, except when he is playing us.

Honoring Earl 34
03-08-2008, 10:54 PM
How about Hulk's insider knowledge ?

Specnatz
03-08-2008, 10:58 PM
come on KT,team might still have stunk but you'd get to see kim kardashian (however you spell it) in the stands for a time or two

Isn't she the one who has a couple porn videos out there? Pfft I would rather see nice down to earth ladies that are our cheerleaders. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/char-cheerleader3.gif http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/char-cheerleader.gif

awtysst
03-08-2008, 11:26 PM
How about Hulk's insider knowledge ?

You know even though he isnt in this thread the person that came to my mind was Monarch. Remember him? He is the guy that wrote those flowery Vince Young posts about how the Texans would take him. He had a very interesting writing style. His last post was 4/23/06. Interesting how he disappeared after the draft...

awtysst
03-08-2008, 11:29 PM
come on KT,team might still have stunk but you'd get to see kim kardashian (however you spell it) in the stands for a time or two :specnatz:

Great. So then we would get the whole Romo-Jessica Simpson type of nonsense. No thanks.

Honoring Earl 34
03-08-2008, 11:30 PM
You know even though he isnt in this thread the person that came to my mind was Monarch. Remember him? He is the guy that wrote those flowery Vince Young posts about how the Texans would take him. He had a very interesting writing style. His last post was 4/23/06. Interesting how he disappeared after the draft...

We lost the Cali crowd and VY crowd ... thank goodness .

Wolf
03-08-2008, 11:43 PM
Isn't she the one who has a couple porn videos out there? Pfft I would rather see nice down to earth ladies that are our cheerleaders. http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/char-cheerleader3.gif http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o195/Specnatz/char-cheerleader.gif

not sure, i know babe of the day there was an solar eclipse when she came out

Wolf
03-08-2008, 11:44 PM
Great. So then we would get the whole Romo-Jessica Simpson type of nonsense. No thanks.

I hear ya , just a bad joke

ObsiWan
03-08-2008, 11:59 PM
If we take Mario, I will be his biggest fan. Because he will need us.

I cannot imagine being the player chosen instead of Vince and Reggie. That would be a ton of pressure on a kid. A big kid, but still basically a kid. And one not used to Vince/Reggie pressure.

The expectations for high round picks is usually kind of silly, but the pressure on Mario would be sick. It would make the pressure on Babin to justify that trade up look like nothing.

Whoever we pick, I will support them and just get ready for the REAL season--some football, baby! :redtowel:

Boy, T.C., you sure called this one.

Malloy
03-09-2008, 05:41 AM
We lost the Cali crowd and VY crowd ... thank goodness .

And got a North Carolina crowd. Now THATS an upgrade ;)

Hardcore Texan
03-09-2008, 11:48 AM
In hindsight Bush may have set us back for years if we would have drafted him.

But....but....but....."he's a once in a generation type back, the next Gale Sayers".


You are spot on KT!

BigTimeTexanFan
03-09-2008, 12:12 PM
Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but the Texans FO are looking like geniuses for passing Bush. Although we are only two seasons in, it looks to be the right move so far. It just seems like every year there is "a once in a lifetime back". In the '06 draft it was Bush, last year it was Peterson (who looks like is working out well), this year it is McFadden. By the way, if they are available every year, that is not "once in a lifetime". At this point, I am so thankful the Texans didn't buy into the Bush hype. Where would we be if they had:hmmm:

YoungTexanFan
03-09-2008, 01:33 PM
What happened to Jerek? Did he get lost in the switch over as well?

RipTraxx
03-09-2008, 04:06 PM
Im just glad that we dont have any character issues with our team. The only one seems to be Mathis who's prob on his way out. Plus it seems that Kubes, while nice, does not take any crap.

Kaiser Toro
03-09-2008, 04:17 PM
What happened to Jerek? Did he get lost in the switch over as well?

No he has been around, but sparingly. Recently married I believe and we're in the off season....

Brando
03-09-2008, 04:39 PM
Good job jerek!

I was a draft Reggie or Vince at the time, boy I am glad I was wrong and glad the Texans drafted Mario.