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jjcorvallis
04-27-2006, 11:14 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2006, 11:16 PM
Here, here!

JDizzle
04-27-2006, 11:23 PM
Good post!

horn_omatic
04-27-2006, 11:24 PM
I am with you, i think it's comical the way they talk about Vince. I really wish he would have stayed another year, cause there wouldn't be a team in the country that could compete with the horns next year:drool: . I think they still might win it again with one or both freshman QB's. As a life long orange blood i am used to 98% of the nation trying to badmouth anything about Texas. Too bad no one could beat Texas tee hee! I love it when peolple call the offense he ran simple. If it's so simple how come no one could stop it, or how come Texas led the nation in scoring. If Vince is just a runner, how come he had the best passer rating in the NCAA last year?!

bad
04-27-2006, 11:24 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.Football fans can be ruthless in their criticisms. Everyone gets bashed on these boards. Plenty of Anti-Reggie threads around also.

There are no sacred cows.

Many Houstonians want Vince Young as a Texan and as it becomes clearer that we're not drafting him you're bound to get the "I told you so's" right when you need to hear them the least.

Pay them no heed.

TexansLucky13
04-27-2006, 11:36 PM
I don't get it. I've seen just as much Bush bashing on this board as I have Vince bashing. All sports (or I should say, all subjects of interest that involve more than one Human) see this type of behavior.

I have never cast a stone at Young, but I have responded to Bush bashings. I understand the sentiment that "he is from here, so he's special". That's fine. No one can say that your opinion is wrong, and I would never even attempt to state that it was. My arguments have always been highly factual.

BTW.... Were you looking at the board after the Rose Bowl? Bush was being bashed as if he were a red-headed step child. Now that Bush is the almost certain pick.... it makes sense that some Bush homers would bash Vince fans for even believing he could be picked.

I like your post and I envy your enthusiasm and support of Vince. But I must say... I am not a true Houstonian. But i've spent 10 years of my 18 year life here. I love the Texans and I only want to look at what is best for our team. Do I personally think Vince or Reggie are what the Texans "need"? No. But they are media-mongers... we can't pass up this one.

BREAZE
04-27-2006, 11:52 PM
There is a fear by many I think that at some point this could all backfire on us. Rather than face this fear some from both sides lash out whether they want to admit it or not.

I'm a VY guy and pretty much had a gut feeling early on that he would end up a Titan. Joining the enemy and having to face him twice seemed only fitting...rivalry renewed! However, I'm not narrow minded enough to not believe in this team and in Kubiak. I know Bush is the right guy given what we have in front of us now. We have some exciting times ahead and will have a blast watching Bush do his thing. Most VY fans are not opposed to Bush IMO.

When I see the #1 pick on the podium Sat. I won't be seeing Bush, I will be seeing Carr. I think he will dramatically improve, but what's in his chest and between his ears has not yet been determined...hence the fear.

In 3-5 years we will know if we made the right decision and I'm praying my gut is wrong this time...

blockhead83
04-28-2006, 12:10 AM
I'm a Bush supporter, but I still think VY would've worthy of the #1 pick and is the best QB in the draft. As far as the lack of class in criticisms, it goes both ways, big surprise. There's posters who'll say anything to dog Bush, just like there are posters who'll say anything to dog Young. Also, call it a lack of homerism or whatever you like, but even being a native Houstonian I'm only slightly interested in the idea of having a home town boy playing QB for his hometown team. The NFL's rosters are so transient these days that very rarely does a player get to play out his career with the team he grew up rooting for anyways. It'd be "cool", but I'm much more interested in seeing the Texans put a winning franchise on the field than I am seeing us pass up players we think can help us more in favor of someone who grew up near by. I'm also an Aggie, but I doubt that has much to do with it. My friends at UT think less of Young than I do, go figure.

texanfan2100
04-28-2006, 12:35 AM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

I don't think there is an huge "anti-VY crowd." I am a longhorn fan, and hope that Vince is successful wherever he goes. God I hope it's not Tennessee. Many times people who don't think Vince is a fit with the Texans are perceived as not liking Vince Young. That's just not true.

The biggest problem I have is with a majority of VY supporters. At some point, you get so sick of hearing the same things over and over again. I personally cannot stand some of the VY supporters for this very reason. I think that, unfourtunately, this comes off as not liking Vince. It's not Vince. It's not the people who want Vince. It's the people who want Vince, and who degrade you for not wanting Vince. And then proceed to tell you the same thing 50 different times.:brickwall

TexansLucky13
04-28-2006, 12:47 AM
I have already broken down the VY fans. Here are the 5 possible reasons that anyone would have wanted VY to be a Texan next year:

1) Carr hater
2) UT homer
3) USC basher
4) Mike Vick enthusiast
5) The "I just don't like Bush" group

If there are any others please make me aware of it.

BREAZE
04-28-2006, 01:01 AM
I have already broken down the VY fans. Here are the 5 possible reasons that anyone would have wanted VY to be a Texan next year:

1) Carr hater
2) UT homer
3) USC basher
4) Mike Vick enthusiast
5) The "I just don't like Bush" group

If there are any others please make me aware of it.

I think there are true Carr haters and there are those that have unanswered questions related to Carr. There are unanswered question related to VY as well, but VY hasn't spent the last 4 years on his back.

1. I'm a believer in Carr to a certain extent and feel he has tremendous upside. I question how far he can take us and where his head is. He will have to learn the postion all over again under a new system...hence the great debate.

2. I'm a Kubiak fan and can't stand A&M.

3. I don't catch enough USC games to care.

4. Vick is a RB playing QB.

5. I think Bush is amazing.

I'm a VY fan...

JDizzle
04-28-2006, 01:35 AM
I have already broken down the VY fans. Here are the 5 possible reasons that anyone would have wanted VY to be a Texan next year:

1) Carr hater
2) UT homer
3) USC basher
4) Mike Vick enthusiast
5) The "I just don't like Bush" group

If there are any others please make me aware of it.

This is the mindset that I find most disturbing. I have liked Vince for a while, but I also like Reggie Bush. I like Mario Williams, Ferguson, Cutler, etc ...

I don't understand why it has to be one or the other.

non natural texan
04-28-2006, 01:36 AM
Oh no, the VY fans haven't said anything at all wrong... except threatening to quit supporting the Texans.

Nothing wrong with that.

BradK10
04-28-2006, 05:14 AM
Personally I could give to craps about VY. I'm not a Texas supporter and I'm not a former HISD student. I'm from Katy (a team who beat VY's Madison 2 out of his 3 years) and really...if a guy was from Houston, that's great, but when he's playing against my hometeam (i.e. Texans) I hope he fails miserably. If he goes to the Titans or whatever I wish him well, but whenever he plays the deep steel blue and battle red, I hope to see his *** on the turf all day long!

Scooter
04-28-2006, 06:01 AM
I have already broken down the VY fans. Here are the 5 possible reasons that anyone would have wanted VY to be a Texan next year:

1) Carr hater
2) UT homer
3) USC basher
4) Mike Vick enthusiast
5) The "I just don't like Bush" group

If there are any others please make me aware of it.

this is what annoys me. the "anti-VY" crowd isnt bashing vince, they're bashing his supporters. from what i've seen, almost all of the people talking trash & insulting posters is coming from the bush side. every thread about vince has several posts insulting the fans, not vince himself. i'm not looking forward to being here after the draft because it's going to be loaded with "nya nya our guy got drafted" and "i'll find a new team". please prove me wrong.

for the record, i dont want us to draft either one. every player & prospect is going to be ridiculed, it's part of the job, but what i hoped to have here was more respect for the fans of each player. root against a guy like bradk is if you must, but we're all on the same team on this site.

Marcus
04-28-2006, 06:15 AM
The biggest problem I have is with a majority of VY supporters. At some point, you get so sick of hearing the same things over and over again. I personally cannot stand some of the VY supporters for this very reason. I think that, unfourtunately, this comes off as not liking Vince. It's not Vince. It's not the people who want Vince. It's the people who want Vince, and who degrade you for not wanting Vince. And then proceed to tell you the same thing 50 different times.:brickwall
Oh my God! Give this man a ceegar!

It's worth repeating. The problem is the VY supporters, not Vince himself. They are the ones who brought the hatred. Vince himself is innocent.

LongBignasty1
04-28-2006, 08:06 AM
I have man-love for Vince Young but i do not find the need to dog RB supporter's nor Reggie himself. I don't have to tell you that VY is great, you all know he beat the dynasty on the greatest stage in all of college football. (fact's are fact's)
I also know that all of y'all are aware of the awesomeness RB brings to the table (and if one more person say's he can return kicks, i might lose it, 30million dollar kick returner when you have Mathis?) I support my Team, the Texans, and i respect their decision making process and the people responsible(minus Casserly). No matter which way we draft we will not go to the playoff's until next year. that's my 2 cents.

Texans Horror
04-28-2006, 08:31 AM
As much as I like the Texans taking Bush, I fear for the upcoming seasons when we have to face VY twice a year. He could be the missing component the Titans need. In the next few years, we could see a shift from Jax vs. Indy for AFC South champions to Houston vs. Tenn.

BREAZE
04-28-2006, 09:22 AM
As much as I like the Texans taking Bush, I fear for the upcoming seasons when we have to face VY twice a year. He could be the missing component the Titans need. In the next few years, we could see a shift from Jax vs. Indy for AFC South champions to Houston vs. Tenn.

Yep, and its this fear that has caused this fued. The good news is those narrow minded annoying VY supporters will be off this board after the draft...they are not Texans fans. The bad news is they will be back when Tenn. vs Hou. Episode 1 begins. As long as we own Tenn. it will stay away. If VY goes on to win a Superbowl or beats us time and time again its going to be 10 times worse than it is now...that's the risk causing the fear which is causing the fued.

gwallaia
04-28-2006, 09:33 AM
What is wrong with you Anti-VY people?

Their could easily be a thread titled, "What is wrong with you Anti-Reggie people?"

There has been an equal amount of bashing on this board for both of these players.

cuppacoffee
04-28-2006, 09:53 AM
As much as I like the Texans taking Bush, I fear for the upcoming seasons when we have to face VY twice a year. He could be the missing component the Titans need. In the next few years, we could see a shift from Jax vs. Indy for AFC South champions to Houston vs. Tenn.

Maybe, maybe not.

I would not want to be Tenn having to defense against Reggie twice a year.

But for some strange reason I feel that Cass & co. are starting to lean toward Williams.

One more day.

:coffee:

Porky
04-28-2006, 10:08 AM
I loved VY this past yr, and was excited as all get out when they took the Championship. I myself at the time thought VY was the way to go. What changed me was the incessent whining of the Horn fans, and telling the Texans if they don't pick VY that somehow the Earth will stop spinning, or making comparions to Pearl Harbor. It's as if there is no other alternative to them. It's VY or it might as well be Santa Claus. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and these folks are like pesky gnats that keep flying around your head. Basically, in a nutshell, I love VY, but his fans have TOTALLY turned me off. I went from having a VY avatar, and a sig that said "why settle for an 8 when you can have a perfect 10", to really just total disgust. The arrogance of the Horns has really been a total turnoff. I don't know how to describe it. The Tsips have managed to turn my love of VY into spite. I almost can't help but root for him because I really like VY, and admire his talents, but if he does somehow fall on his face, I will know there truly is a God. :brickwall

bad
04-28-2006, 10:23 AM
I loved VY this past yr, and was excited as all get out when they took the Championship. I myself at the time thought VY was the way to go. What changed me was the incessent whining of the Horn fans, and telling the Texans if they don't pick VY that somehow the Earth will stop spinning, or making comparions to Pearl Harbor. It's as if there is no other alternative to them. It's VY or it might as well be Santa Claus. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and these folks are like pesky gnats that keep flying around your head. Basically, in a nutshell, I love VY, but his fans have TOTALLY turned me off. I went from having a VY avatar, and a sig that said "why settle for an 8 when you can have a perfect 10", to really just total disgust. The arrogance of the Horns has really been a total turnoff. I don't know how to describe it. The Tsips have managed to turn my love of VY into spite. I almost can't help but root for him because I really like VY, and admire his talents, but if he does somehow fall on his face, I will know there truly is a God. :brickwallHere's the sad part.

I saw Vince Young on ESPN's Draft Special last night. I came away very impressed with the way he conducted himself. Great confidence tempered with an understanding of the reality of the situation around him. I saw not a speck of anger, jealousy or self-pity. Never once did he seek to tear down anyone or deflect questions with vagaries.

His fans should take a cue from him.

Frills
04-28-2006, 10:25 AM
I'm tired of the damn UT fans hyping VY every chance they get, threatening to never watch the texans again...yadda yadda.

Instead of not watching the Texans ever again, they should try not breathing ever again, the world would be a better place.

BREAZE
04-28-2006, 10:33 AM
Maybe, maybe not.

I would not want to be Tenn having to defense against Reggie twice a year.

But for some strange reason I feel that Cass & co. are starting to lean toward Williams.

One more day.

:coffee:


I don't think we will have to worry about it for a couple of years. Tenn will be in experimental mode trying to find out what works/doesn't work and constructing a system around him...it will not happen overnight. It will be beautiful and ugly those 1st couple of years for Tenn. and is the very reason he is not coming here.

Once its in place though its not going to be fun to face...

JDizzle
04-28-2006, 10:44 AM
I loved VY this past yr, and was excited as all get out when they took the Championship. I myself at the time thought VY was the way to go. What changed me was the incessent whining of the Horn fans, and telling the Texans if they don't pick VY that somehow the Earth will stop spinning, or making comparions to Pearl Harbor. It's as if there is no other alternative to them. It's VY or it might as well be Santa Claus. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and these folks are like pesky gnats that keep flying around your head. Basically, in a nutshell, I love VY, but his fans have TOTALLY turned me off. I went from having a VY avatar, and a sig that said "why settle for an 8 when you can have a perfect 10", to really just total disgust. The arrogance of the Horns has really been a total turnoff. I don't know how to describe it. The Tsips have managed to turn my love of VY into spite. I almost can't help but root for him because I really like VY, and admire his talents, but if he does somehow fall on his face, I will know there truly is a God. :brickwall

That's pretty much why I hopped on the Mario Williams bus a while back. Both Bush and Young diehards kind of got under my skin, since the majority of them did nothing but tear the other down. I can certainly understand each group wanting and promoting their "guy", but it got out of hand after a while with the "VY is an idiot gangbanger" and "Reggie Bush is a bust" comments. I don't understand why it's so difficult for people to like all 3 guys, they are all tremendous prospects and could no doubt help the franchise, albeit in different ways.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 11:23 AM
I gotta admit that I've been pulling for VY since the Rose Bowl win. I was just lurking before then. The reason I started posting was because at the time, I wasn't seeing a lot of people here that shared my opinion. Mostly just Longhorn bashing. I got sick of reading it and I decided to weigh in. I started out trying to stir the pot...probably came off as trolling. A couple of people called me stupid and I probably made it on some ignore lists.

I also found myself sticking up for Carr at times while he was under attack on these boards. After the FA acquisitions, I decided to give up on the draft debate and focus on the known quantity...the players that would be here. I started warming up to the idea of drafting Reggie. (I'd still rather have Brick or Mario.)

I'll admit a lot of these people jocking VY are annoying and keep rehashing the same old stuff. And it's old.

What's even more annoying is the name-calling. If you're trying to prove a point, that's the worst way to do it. You kill your credibility.

Even more annoying is the generalizations that so many people speak in. I think we were all raised better. Not an entire group of people all share the same opinion on any one subject. Some people actually do think for themselves.

Having said that, I'll hope for Vince to go to any other team besides the Titans.

powerfuldragon
04-28-2006, 11:28 AM
Look, at this point, i'm so sick of draft speculation that i'd be happy with either bush or young.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 11:41 AM
Look, at this point, i'm so sick of draft speculation that i'd be happy with either bush or young.

No joke. I can't wait til this thing is over. I need to get back to my life.

Porky
04-28-2006, 11:46 AM
Look, at this point, i'm so sick of draft speculation that i'd be happy with either bush or young.

It's all over in 24 hours....thank God! :yahoo:

Htown34s
04-28-2006, 11:48 AM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

So jjcorvallis, I take it you agree with my earlier post on that other thread?

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=328436&postcount=12

Caesar
04-28-2006, 11:49 AM
What is wrong with you Anti-VY people?

http://www.wfmynews2.com/assetpool/images/0631712331_203x152_737182632781554001438750.jpg

Htown34s
04-28-2006, 11:53 AM
Their could easily be a thread titled, "What is wrong with you Anti-Reggie people?"

There has been an equal amount of bashing on this board for both of these players.

Completely disagree. That is what my original post (hijacked by jjcorvallis) was saying. I haven't seen Pro-VY people on this board attack Reggie Bush personally. Haven't seen them call Bush names, etc.

BradK10
04-28-2006, 11:56 AM
Personally I hope he goes to the Titans, so we can beat him twice yearly.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 12:02 PM
So jjcorvallis, I take it you agree with my earlier post on that other thread?

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=328436&postcount=12

Damn, that's messed up. Could've at least quoted you.

Long-Spurs-Texan
04-28-2006, 12:03 PM
The people that are bashing Vince the most aren't even living in Texas. They are mostly a bunch of LA frontrunning USC bandwagoners (or Aggies). Socal has the worst fans in all of sports (really you all suck balls). I'm from Houston (Memorial HS), and lived there for 22 years before moving. I know what it's all about to live with sports heartbreak, and to stand by your team. I'm actually excited for Vince to go to the Titans, and I'll root for him no matter what. He deserves to be taken in the top 3. Since we are passing on him, we know we are risking a painful lesson. Imagine how motivated he will be to destroy us everytime? It will be PERSONAL to him. Vince could hang 2-3 losses on us a year (including playoffs). It could ruin this franchise. I'll also root for Reggie, even though I think we made a mistake (extending Carr). Needless to see, it will all be interesting & must see TV.

Errant Hothy
04-28-2006, 12:08 PM
So jjcorvallis, I take it you agree with my earlier post on that other thread?

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=328436&postcount=12

Well there goes hi screditability.

I'm against drafting VY (which I hav emy reasons for and I've laid them out several times), but I'm for VY as a person and espically as the UT QB.

There is a difference, and it's this diffence our the failure to recoignize it that has lead to the most problems between the two factions.

It is possible to be critical of VY as the #1 pick but to still like him.

BradK10
04-28-2006, 12:12 PM
I don't understand how cowardly our fans are.

"Oh no, Vince is going to the Titans, chalk up two losses per year for that."

MAN COME ON HOUSTON!!! NUT UP!!! This is the kind of attitude I expect from Floridians or something, NOT Texans.

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 12:22 PM
No kidding. So what if VY goes to TN. This will only add to the rivalry. It's sports. The more drama (good drama) the better. If we beat the hell out of TN and VY (if he even goes there) are we going to feel bad about it because he's a hometown hero? Hell no.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 12:26 PM
The people that are bashing Vince the most aren't even living in Texas. They are mostly a bunch of LA frontrunning USC bandwagoners (or Aggies). Socal has the worst fans in all of sports (really you all suck balls).

You have to understand that people that live in SoCal, are rarely from SoCal, so they bring their allegiances with them from wherever they moved from. Hence, no big push to get a team in L.A., because we already have favorite teams from somewhere else. It is a tough place to be a sports fan because you have to live vicariously through things like ESPN and the net because you don't get everyday information about your team of choice.

I'm actually excited for Vince to go to the Titans, and I'll root for him no matter what. He deserves to be taken in the top 3. Since we are passing on him, we know we are risking a painful lesson. Imagine how motivated he will be to destroy us everytime? It will be PERSONAL to him. Vince could hang 2-3 losses on us a year (including playoffs). It could ruin this franchise. I'll also root for Reggie, even though I think we made a mistake (extending Carr). Needless to see, it will all be interesting & must see TV.

I am pro-Bush, but that doesn't mean I am anti-VY. I think what everyone is taking personally is the fact that the draft is like picking teams for kickball in school. The higher you are the cooler you are. I wouldn't place much emphasis on where you get drafted, other than money. Whether Vince goes 1st, 3rd, 7th, or plummets (which won't happen), dude still has a job to do and will likely do a great job at it.

The problem is not who Tennessee takes at 3, it is that they have the pick at three, and that whoever they get will have the opportunity to 'hang two losses on us a year'. We have to build our team regardless of what they do. Think of it as now Tenn has to come up with a way to cover Bush, Moulds and AJ. No easy task on that defense.

Porky
04-28-2006, 12:33 PM
Completely disagree. That is what my original post (hijacked by jjcorvallis) was saying. I haven't seen Pro-VY people on this board attack Reggie Bush personally. Haven't seen them call Bush names, etc.

You, haven't? Maybe you only come here occasionally then? idonno:

Haams
04-28-2006, 12:36 PM
Since we're not taking him I'm pulling for him to end up in Oakland or New York. I think Oakland would be a good fit for his personality. I am one of the people who's scared of him going to the Titans for 2 reason's: #1 I watched every college game he played and quite a few scrimmages and I realize how good this guy is, he does not lose. #2 Jeff Fisher is a good coach and with McNair has proved he knows how to develop players to get the most out of them.

BradK10
04-28-2006, 12:50 PM
Since we're not taking him I'm pulling for him to end up in Oakland or New York. I think Oakland would be a good fit for his personality. I am one of the people who's scared of him going to the Titans for 2 reason's: #1 I watched every college game he played and quite a few scrimmages and I realize how good this guy is, he does not lose. #2 Jeff Fisher is a good coach and with McNair has proved he knows how to develop players to get the most out of them.

Don't bother going to the Texans v. Titans game. I don't want Reliant filled with people who are scared we might lose because Vince is on the other sideline.

Seriously, this is pathetic.

bad
04-28-2006, 12:50 PM
Socal has the worst fans in all of sports (really you all suck balls). What are you, 13?

How can you justify such an all-inclusive generalization of a large demographic that you know little about? Who the hell are you to judge me? That's just pathetic. The profanity is the cherry on top.

Welcome to my ignore list, you ignorant bigot.

TreWardTxn
04-28-2006, 01:10 PM
Since we're not taking him I'm pulling for him to end up in Oakland or New York. I think Oakland would be a good fit for his personality. I am one of the people who's scared of him going to the Titans for 2 reason's: #1 I watched every college game he played and quite a few scrimmages and I realize how good this guy is, he does not lose. #2 Jeff Fisher is a good coach and with McNair has proved he knows how to develop players to get the most out of them.

Going to Oakland would be the worst thing that could happen to any QB right now, especially one with skills like Young. A head coach that hasn't run and NFL offense in 10+ years and an owner who is impatient as a toddler. Honestly, when was the last time Oakland developed a player? Maybe Jerry Porter, and I'll give Rice and Brown credit for that; not a good fit...

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 01:18 PM
Going to Oakland would be the worst thing that could happen to any QB right now, especially one with skills like Young. A head coach that hasn't run and NFL offense in 10+ years and an owner who is impatient as a toddler. Honestly, when was the last time Oakland developed a player? Maybe Jerry Porter, and I'll give Rice and Brown credit for that; not a good fit...

But "a once in a lifetime player" can turn anything around. That's what "once in a lifetime' player do.

TreWardTxn
04-28-2006, 02:43 PM
Coaches still have to know how to utilize a player in the right way.

I should add that I don't particularly care for the Raiders; that's a pretty important little nugget right there.

kastofsna
04-28-2006, 03:02 PM
i love the "young can't lose" thing. i wonder why. even when he played like crap, texas still won convincingly. hmm. maybe texas has a TON of talent? maybe...maybe their offense outmatched the opponent's defense every single game? maybe...

soon people will realize young is a product of the zone-read and the talent around him. his mack brown protective bubble will burst and he'll be a disaster.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 03:12 PM
I guess they quit talking about him on the Titans board.

TreWardTxn
04-28-2006, 03:14 PM
It's not about whether you have the talent around you or not, it's about what you do with it. Simms had twice the talent Young did and couldn't do anything above the bare minimum; 3 straight trips to the Holiday Bowl, come on.

The point is, when other players aren't doing their best, if a lineman misses a block, or a receiver runs a sloppy route, Young can still buy time and make their performance look better than what it really was. He can make a play where there is no play...

GP
04-28-2006, 03:26 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

The part I put in bold is the answer to your question.

You say he's an incredible talent...but you're acting like we're drafting at No. 5 or lower. We are drafting NUMBER ONE in this year's draft. We took a heckuva' beating this past season, and maybe the payoff is that we get THE BEST RATED PLAYER AVAILABLE.

We're not after the hometown hero...but YOU are. And it's at the expense of what you know is the right thing to do this year. The scales have been tipped (for you and for others) by practically the only thing that doesn't really matter: He's from Houston.

And I don;t even want to hear for one second that the VY crowd has been so angelic and pure during all this, while the Bush crowd has been nasty about it. If anything, we've been tolerant of a homer'ish VY fan base.

barzilla
04-28-2006, 03:51 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

First of all, I decided to respond to this directly without jumping through the other 50 posts, so if I'm repeating something someone else has said I must apologize.

1) Who are you talking about here? There are a lot of people that think we should take VY, Bush, Williams, DBrick, or trade down generally. I haven't seen too many people out and out bash VY. All I've seen is people raise questions about certain issues. Then again, I don't live on the VY vs. Bush debate either.

2) When you say people have no class you should focus it on who is doing the bashing or what exactly bashing entails to you. It is foolish to say that someone that thinks that VY won't make a good pro is classless. It's an opinion. It might not be an opinion I agree with, but that's what these boards are for.

3) Who knows, maybe I've just missed the name-calling. One of the things I hate is group accountability for individual transgressions. If you think someone has stepped over the line, handle it with them privately. Making a generalized statement only leads me to wonder who you're talking about.

TheOgre
04-28-2006, 04:04 PM
The arrogance of the Horns has really been a total turnoff. I don't know how to describe it. The Tsips have managed to turn my love of VY into spite. I almost can't help but root for him because I really like VY, and admire his talents, but if he does somehow fall on his face, I will know there truly is a God.

I am a Horn alumni and have had season tickets a few seasons of late (but not last year). The one thing that I have found irritating about my fellow Horn fans is that mob mentality. If one person thinks something it suddenly becomes the opinion of the masses. I saw it with the entire Applewhite/Simms situation, and it led me to root for Simms to do well in the pros just to spite everyone (for the record, I think Applewhite's and Simm's collegeate accomplishments were actually about the same). I see it again this year with the draft and the VY/Bush and VY/Leinart debates.


It almost makes me ashamed to call myself a Horn's fan. Get off the bandwagon and get a friggin' independent thought won't you?

bad
04-28-2006, 04:10 PM
...One of the things I hate is group accountability for individual transgressions. If you think someone has stepped over the line, handle it with them privately. Making a generalized statement only leads me to wonder who you're talking about. Here is wisdom.

Mr. White
04-28-2006, 04:11 PM
This thread actually started out on another thread. 2 guys called VY stupid
and this (http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showpost.php?p=328436&postcount=12) was the response.

This thread was started with somebody plagiarizing a post from another thread....prolonging the discussion. :brickwall

BTW, if somebody can't pump their guy without bashing another, then they're trolls. It's happened on both sides.

People just don't remember it so well when the troll takes their side.

Long-Spurs-Texan
04-28-2006, 05:02 PM
What are you, 13?

How can you justify such an all-inclusive generalization of a large demographic that you know little about? Who the hell are you to judge me? That's just pathetic. The profanity is the cherry on top.

Welcome to my ignore list, you ignorant bigot.

I'm a bigot? I didn't know bandwagon non football front runners were a race, religion, or sex. Interesting. The reason many "Texan Fans" exist is because they are Bush fans, period. If the Titans were picking him at 1, they would all be over there. PERIOD. As for Socal pro football people, I'm thankful they are so indifferent. If they didn't, we wouldn't have a franchise.

kcwilson
04-28-2006, 05:26 PM
I'm a bigot? I didn't know bandwagon non football front runners were a race, religion, or sex. Interesting. The reason many "Texan Fans" exist is because they are Bush fans, period. If the Titans were picking him at 1, they would all be over there. PERIOD. As for Socal pro football people, I'm thankful they are so indifferent. If they didn't, we wouldn't have a franchise.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... indifference to our own NFL team is also why the Texans have a lot of fans in Cali.

Grid
04-28-2006, 05:31 PM
"One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ"

definition of a bigot. So i think his comment was valid.

TreWardTxn
04-28-2006, 05:39 PM
I am a Horn alumni and have had season tickets a few seasons of late (but not last year). The one thing that I have found irritating about my fellow Horn fans is that mob mentality. If one person thinks something it suddenly becomes the opinion of the masses. I saw it with the entire Applewhite/Simms situation, and it led me to root for Simms to do well in the pros just to spite everyone (for the record, I think Applewhite's and Simm's collegeate accomplishments were actually about the same). I see it again this year with the draft and the VY/Bush and VY/Leinart debates.


It almost makes me ashamed to call myself a Horn's fan. Get off the bandwagon and get a friggin' independent thought won't you?

I know this is off thread topic, but Mack was wrong for taking the team out of Major's hands and putting it in Simms'. Why? Because of his last name. Every Texas fan saw how the team rallied around Applewhite in the Big 12 championship, they were a 15 yard roughing the punter call away from a NC bid...

bad
04-28-2006, 05:52 PM
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... indifference to our own NFL team is also why the Texans have a lot of fans in Cali. I appreciate the words but I gotta tell ya, it's frustrating to put someone on ignore (so I don't have to read their posts anymore) and they end up being quoted.

Mods? Admins? Is there a workaround for this?

To set the record straight, I became a Texans fan the day I found out the NFL had a new team. I was without a team to call my own after both the Rams and myself left L.A. and went our separate ways. I felt a sort of kinship with Houston pro football fans when Bud took his team and left town. I was happy for Houston fans and happy for myself. We had a brand new, shiny NFL team that had not even the slightest parking lot ding in it.

It had that new-car smell to it and it felt right. This was before Carr was signed or drafted. Now the smell is less pungent and there are some dings, but they're my team and I'll stand by them. They pissed me off with the Babin and Travis(ty) trades yet here I stand, ready to defend the Texans no matter what stupid things they do next.

My story will likely be different than that of any other California-based Texans fan, and each of their stories will likely be far different than any other's. Some may have come aboard on the Carr bandwagon, I don't know.

What I do know is that it is a mistake to generalize, categorize or pigeonhole any group of people. Everyone is different; that's the way God intended it to be and personally I wouldn't want it any other way.

The United States is known as a Melting Pot. Texas may have more melting and California may have more pot but we're both blessed with diversity, not cursed by it. I know a little something about bigotry, growing up in tha Hood. It's not about race, color, religion or politics. It's about intolerance and it's a plague on mankind.

It has to stop.

Htown34s
04-28-2006, 05:58 PM
This thread actually started out on another thread.

This thread was started with somebody plagiarizing a post from another thread....prolonging the discussion. :brickwall

This thread was started by jjcorvallis taking my response in this thread:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=328436#post328436

...and pasting as his own. It looks like he is a newbie and only 16 years old, so I guess cut him some slack. My original comment makes more sense when it comes after 3 people calling VY names.

Again, IMO the majority of VY supporters give reasons why they like VY, while the majority of Bush supporters call VY names.

Maybe the numbers aren't actually that way, but that is the way it seems to me. And I was marvelling at the irony since VY is the hometown kid and a national hero.

Definantely do not want to get into the VY vs. Bush thing again!

DynoMoxie
04-28-2006, 08:06 PM
I have already broken down the VY fans. Here are the 5 possible reasons that anyone would have wanted VY to be a Texan next year:

1) Carr hater
2) UT homer
3) USC basher
4) Mike Vick enthusiast
5) The "I just don't like Bush" group

If there are any others please make me aware of it.

You forgot one. 6) Because Vince Young will instantly make the team he plays for better. My question is... can Reggie Bush or any other runningback dominate the game without a legitimate passing game in place. I don't care how good a team is at running the football, at some point they have to throw it or teams will line up 8 players in the box and stuff you. Look at how many championships Barry Sanders won. Barry, as far as I'm concerned, is the best back to ever play the game. How many Super Bowls does Tom Brady have? Troy Aikman? John Elway? Joe Montana? Terry Bradshaw? How many Super Bowls does Emmitt Smith have with David Carr at QB? Hmm... How many does Jerry Rice have without Montana or S. Young? How many with DC at the helm? Ahh... I'm wasting my breath.

BradK10
04-28-2006, 08:08 PM
I'm pretty sure Steve Bono coulda won a Super Bowl or two with those Niners teams

And yes I'm being serious