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Mike Kerns
04-27-2006, 01:29 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3821728.html

By JOHN MCCLAIN

"Yeah, I was still surprised when I heard about it," said Young, who came to New York this week to participate in events leading up to this weekend's draft. "I know what the media's been saying about them not taking me, but I wanted to play for my hometown team.

"If they don't want me, well, I know it's a business. I'm kind of disappointed, but I have to get ready for the draft and be prepared to play for the team that wants me."



There is more in the article.

Here come the "He will dominate us twice a year" complaints...

ThaShark316
04-27-2006, 01:31 AM
...or the "we should trade up in the 1st round with our other picks" bs, also.

Mike Kerns
04-27-2006, 01:37 AM
And how David Carr is the Anti-Christ.

BREAZE
04-27-2006, 01:37 AM
Dominate twice a year? Hopefully not.

Face twice a year? probably

New found rivaly? A certainty

jerek
04-27-2006, 10:48 AM
And how David Carr is the Anti-Christ.

Hahahahaha.

Dominate twice a year? Hopefully not.

Face twice a year? probably

New found rivaly? A certainty

True that, and I look forward to it.

kastofsna
04-27-2006, 10:53 AM
he's even dumber than i thought.

Frills
04-27-2006, 10:53 AM
just goes to prove my point about his intelligence

HomeBred_Texan
04-27-2006, 10:55 AM
he's even dumber than i thought.
LOL, a perfect fit for Miami?

kastofsna
04-27-2006, 10:58 AM
LOL, a perfect fit for Miami?
well, we could use another receiver, and saban has tried to convert him to a WR since he was 14 years old, so why not.

Mr. White
04-27-2006, 10:59 AM
he's even dumber than i thought.

Go tell them that on the Titans board. Oh wait, you did. (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=271058#post271058)

kastofsna
04-27-2006, 11:02 AM
hmm i didn't say the same thing at all.

Htown34s
04-27-2006, 11:17 AM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

Texas
04-27-2006, 11:27 AM
Thats too bad...Oh well it will be fun facing him! We will need mario williams to stop him however!

Long-Spurs-Texan
04-27-2006, 11:41 AM
Thats too bad...Oh well it will be fun facing him! We will need mario williams to stop him however!

We don't have anyone to stop him. We better pray he doesn't go to the Titans. That will be must see TV, 2 times a year. If he goes to Oaktown, we'll see him as well.

Frills
04-27-2006, 11:46 AM
We don't have anyone to stop him. We better pray he doesn't go to the Titans. That will be must see TV, 2 times a year. If he goes to Oaktown, we'll see him as well.

News Flash!!

The Spread isn't run in the NFL.

No need to worry, well mabye the international competition in the Shot Put needs to worry, but not the Texans

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 11:56 AM
he's even dumber than i thought.


I think people that have to try and tear down a good kid who has done nothing to them are the people with intelligence problems. Reeks of an inferiority complex. I didn't want to pick the guy but someone saying that he still hoped to play for his hometown team is now dumb?Grow up.

JDizzle
04-27-2006, 11:59 AM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

I agree for the most part. Vince is only 20 or 21 years old , still a "kid" somewhat who's dream was to play pro ball for the city he grew up in, which he kept no secret of. Calling him dumb just because he kept hoping for that dream to become reality is just lame IMO.

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 11:59 AM
News Flash!!

The Spread isn't run in the NFL.

No need to worry, well mabye the international competition in the Shot Put needs to worry, but not the Texans

You are right:rolleyes: He has no arm and can't adapt. Maybe they have shots for that penis envy. Again, not a UT homer and don't want to take him but please stop showing your tail. Go to the third page.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/04/24/mmqb/index.html

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 12:00 PM
I agree for the most part. Vince is only 20 or 21 years old , still a "kid" somewhat who's dream was to play pro ball for the city he grew up in, which he kept no secret of. Calling him dumb just because he kept hoping for that dream to become reality is just lame IMO.

Thank you. I wrote that above. The only people showing their intelligence here are the ones who have to make themselves feel better by putting a good kid down.

Mike Kerns
04-27-2006, 12:11 PM
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:

Frills
04-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Thank you. I wrote that above. The only people showing their intelligence here are the ones who have to make themselves feel better by putting a good kid down.

While he may be a good kid and player, lets look at his post Rose Bowl decisions.

1. Hiring a family friend as agent and advisor...Least its a step up from Ricky hiring a rapper.

2. Declaring he would workout at the combine...nevermind.

3. Puts trust in friend to deliver suit for White House visit...not working.

4. Runs 40 at proday for the hell of it...spur of the moment decision that couldn't help him, only hurt his status.

His off the field decision haven't been the best and planning and preparing for NFL defenses is key for a QB.

Hard Work beats Talent when Talent doesn't work hard.

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 12:15 PM
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:

Maybe so but there were a TON of people who didn't like Carr before the Rose Bowl. So that isn't necesserily true. I can see how UT homer can be hard to talk to but so is Carr homer, Casserly homer or whomever else. Arguments against these people are cool by me but just name calling is so high school. I just want people to step up to the plate with sound reasoning.:)

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 12:19 PM
While he may be a good kid and player, lets look at his post Rose Bowl decisions.

1. Hiring a family friend as agent and advisor...Least its a step up from Ricky hiring a rapper.

2. Declaring he would workout at the combine...nevermind.

3. Puts trust in friend to deliver suit for White House visit...not working.

4. Runs 40 at proday for the hell of it...spur of the moment decision that couldn't help him, only hurt his status.

His off the field decision haven't been the best and planning and preparing for NFL defenses is key for a QB.

Hard Work beats Talent when Talent doesn't work hard.

1) Maybe not perfect but he trusts the guys and so far no one has had problems dealing with him

2) Do you know how many people skip the combine or pull out yearly?It is a non-issue. Every national media outlet said it was the smart thing to do. Why not workout on your home turf?Non-issue. People were reaching. Leinart did the same thing.

3) White house has 3 different stories..one being that a friend had no suit and he didn't want him being the only one out there. He is 21 and apologized.

4) Hasn't hurt him at all because people watch film. He is still a 3-7 pick which is where he would have been before all of this.

Of course Leinart not doing pro day, firing his agent, etc gets mere blurbs and he is smart?Seriously. Not everything has been sound for VY but right now it is working out fine.

Mr. White
04-27-2006, 12:23 PM
Of course Leinart not doing pro day, firing his agent, etc gets mere blurbs and he is smart?Seriously.

Not to mention, his "association" with Paris Hilton this offseason.

Texas_Thrill
04-27-2006, 12:23 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

Agreed. I never thought I'd see the day when Texans were tearing down Texans. Hell I even defend (Pres.) Bush crazy behind against anyone outside of Texas. And I don't agree with ANYTHING he's done.

jerek
04-27-2006, 12:24 PM
Not to mention, his "association" with Paris Hilton this offseason.

I would be associated with that ugly brat too, given the chance. Do you know how much money she has? :)

hollywood_texan
04-27-2006, 12:29 PM
Vince is a competitor and believes in his heart that he will win every time.

You can make fun of him for that (or mock his intelligence), but it is that belief and his determination that brought UT it's National Championship in what is considered on the best college football games of all time.

What is really surprising is that Reggie people are getting what they want, Reggie Bush as the #1 draft pick, and they are still bashing Vince.

Frills
04-27-2006, 12:38 PM
Speaking of Paris...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12397029/

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:56 p.m. ET April 26, 2006
Does Paris Hilton have a gambling habit?

The partying heiress is apparently a poker aficionado, and says she always wins the game in Vegas. But the buzz is that she doesn’t always win — and actually lost her beloved Bentley — valued at over $150,000 — in a recent game, according to various reports. But now an online poker company is offering Hilton a chance to win a new Bently. “If she goes heads-up online in a no-limit Texas Hold'em challenge against poker legend Mike Sexton and wins we’ll hand her the keys to a brand spanking new Bentley,” PartyPoker.com spokesman Warren Lush told the Hamilton Spectator. “Forget one night in Paris, we're offering her one night to win her wheels back.”

kastofsna
04-27-2006, 12:40 PM
Vince is a competitor and believes in his heart that he will win every time.
pretty much like every quarterback out there.

Texas_Thrill
04-27-2006, 12:42 PM
pretty much like every quarterback out there.

somehow I doubt that is true. but i won't dispute the genius of miami.

light
04-27-2006, 12:58 PM
trade up from the second round carr sucks

jerek
04-27-2006, 01:04 PM
Speaking of Paris...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12397029/

By Jeannette Walls
MSNBC
Updated: 5:56 p.m. ET April 26, 2006
Does Paris Hilton have a gambling habit?

The partying heiress is apparently a poker aficionado, and says she always wins the game in Vegas. But the buzz is that she doesn’t always win — and actually lost her beloved Bentley — valued at over $150,000 — in a recent game, according to various reports. But now an online poker company is offering Hilton a chance to win a new Bently. “If she goes heads-up online in a no-limit Texas Hold'em challenge against poker legend Mike Sexton and wins we’ll hand her the keys to a brand spanking new Bentley,” PartyPoker.com spokesman Warren Lush told the Hamilton Spectator. “Forget one night in Paris, we're offering her one night to win her wheels back.”

I do not believe that woman can tie her shoes, let alone win consistently against any kind of real competition at poker. The game involves too much thought and intelligence for her "winnings" - whatever they may be - to be anything but a fluke. As to her losing her Bentley, well if it's true, I would laugh. Too bad Daddy will probably just buy her another one.

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 01:04 PM
somehow I doubt that is true. but i won't dispute the genius of miami.

:) Just like every running back has the desire to smoke ganga. There are many lazy QBs out there.

Texansfan30
04-27-2006, 01:09 PM
Anyone who thought VY was dumb is just stupid. This isn't about whether they (the players) are dumb - it's about who we should take.

We should take Reggie. Don't get me wrong - I love VY, just like I like Mario and AJ. But that doesn't mean we should take him. I do believe VY won't be as successful in the NFL as some of the VY people think he will. Those who think he will 'run' through the NFL like he did the Rose Bowl are kidding themselves. Just as Reggie won't have 563 all purpose yards a game (like against Fresno St.), VY will not run for 200 every week against NFL d's.

But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 01:17 PM
Personally, yes, I am in Camp Reggie. But I am a Texas fan & I was cheering for the Horns at the Rose Bowl. I really like Vince. But I think the reason it has translated to hate for a lot of people is because of the blind devotion to the kid. People wanted Houston to draft just because of where he was from. Hardly anyone had a problem with Carr before January 5th. That is what frustrated a lot of people and made them just tear apart VY's game:twocents:

So what...... Hometown kid wants to play for his hometown team....... hometown fans want the hometown kid to play for their hometown team...... so what.....

You know it doesn't matter what they say.... you know it doesn't matter what he says..... you know it doesn't matter what you say......

fans will be fans, and whether they are season ticket holders, watch every game on TV, or the catch a football game when they can fans shouldn't make a sh!t..... they are fans.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 01:27 PM
But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.

Let's see..... we have a running back who came in off the bench, and managed to be ranked 19th in the NFL his rookie season, missing 2 games. He came back in 2004, raised his NFL ranking amoung NFL running backs to 15th, and rushing for more than 1000 yards, 1788 all purpose yards, and 14 NFL touchdowns against NFL defenses. His third year, he ranks 9th of all NFL running backs, missing 5 games... 1313 all purpose yards, 5 TDs on a team with no passing game, that went 2-14. In those three seasons, he played as well as, if not better than Tiki Barber, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn, and Edgerin James did their first three seasons.... and he played in as many games as all of those "injury proned" runningbacks.

Denver doesn't, and hasn't played split backs, or even this RBBC notion.

Denver has never(to my knowledge) motioned a running back to the slot. Or even thought about using a running back as a WR.

We've already got a pass catching catching backfield.

We already have a ProBowl Kick returner.

We already have two #1 recievers/playmakers, and a tightend to spread the defense........ and keep everyone guessing.

I'm having a hard time finding where Reggie Bush "fits" this team.

hollywood_texan
04-27-2006, 01:29 PM
Anyone who thought VY was dumb is just stupid. This isn't about whether they (the players) are dumb - it's about who we should take.

We should take Reggie. Don't get me wrong - I love VY, just like I like Mario and AJ. But that doesn't mean we should take him. I do believe VY won't be as successful in the NFL as some of the VY people think he will. Those who think he will 'run' through the NFL like he did the Rose Bowl are kidding themselves. Just as Reggie won't have 563 all purpose yards a game (like against Fresno St.), VY will not run for 200 every week against NFL d's.

But Reggie fits us better and gives us better matchups then VY does. Simples as that.

It looks like your statement assumes Carr will perform to #1 draft pick expectations. If Carr doesn't perform, Reggie probably isn't a better fit for us over Vince Young.

Just something to think about.

Chicagotexan1
04-27-2006, 01:29 PM
I have lost respect for many on these boards.

I'm a VY guy, but I have my reasons which have been stated too many times in the past 4 months. But I recognize that Bush is an incredible talent as well. Thats is where my problem lies. IMO the anti-VY crowd has been immature and nasty in nature overall.

Why call the guy names? Why insult him? One of the greatest college players of all time is from our city, and this is how you treat him?

I wonder how many of the people on this board bashing VY are native Houstonians like myself. To me its pretty freaking sad. Some people have no class.

The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 01:34 PM
Oh, forgot.... he played 2 games less than Ladanian Tomlinson did his rookie year. DD avg 4.3 yards a carry, and 7.5 yards/reception, compared to LT's 3.6 ypc, and 6.2 yards/reception. 14 TDs for DD, 15 for LT. LT's longest run was 54 yards, and he had 7 carries longer than 20 yards. DD's longest was 51 yards, and he had 5 carries for more than 20 yards(remember, he played 2 games less than LT).

And, LT played on a better team than DD did.

hollywood_texan
04-27-2006, 01:45 PM
The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.

First, the BPA may not be the best fit for the team as a whole. I am sure Detriot took a WR for three years in a row in the top 10 because they were appling the BPA approach. IMO, first you build a system and scout the talent accordingly. Look at Pittsburgh, Denver, and New England.

It is more likely that Carr will be labeled a bust before Vince Young even takes a snap in a regular season football game. Carr has to start off strong next season because he now has weapons to throw to like Johnson, Moulds, Putznier, and Bush. Not to mention Davis in the backfield. Carr should start off with pro bowl numbers.

El Tejano
04-27-2006, 01:50 PM
Seeing Reggie win rookie of the year? Priceless.

Chicagotexan1
04-27-2006, 01:54 PM
First, the BPA may not be the best fit for the team as a whole. I am sure Detriot took a WR for three years in a row in the top 10 because they were appling the BPA approach. IMO, first you build a system and scout the talent accordingly. Look at Pittsburgh, Denver, and New England.

It is more likely that Carr will be labeled a bust before Vince Young even takes a snap in a regular season football game. Carr has to start off strong next season because he now has weapons to throw to like Johnson, Moulds, Putznier, and Bush. Not to mention Davis in the backfield. Carr should start off with pro bowl numbers.

I agree with your assesments and I think there is a chance that Carr will bust out. But I do not think the VY is worthy of being the 1st player taken. That is all I am saying.

hollywood_texan
04-27-2006, 01:57 PM
I agree with your assesments and I think there is a chance that Carr will bust out. But I do not think the VY is worthy of being the 1st player taken. That is all I am saying.

Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

It's hard to say anyone is worth the #1 pick with all the money that goes along with it.

Chicagotexan1
04-27-2006, 02:05 PM
Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

It's hard to say anyone is worth the #1 pick with all the money that goes along with it.

Thats a whole other argument my friend.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 02:08 PM
Go tell them that on the Titans board. Oh wait, you did. (http://forums.titansonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=271058#post271058)

It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well. Some of those guys think of him as the next Steve McNair........ which I believe is a compliment coming from a Titans fan.

This is a link to an article I got off their board..... good read, if you ask me.

Something about Vince (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/atoz/article_1120076.php)

chuckm
04-27-2006, 02:09 PM
It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well.



they have no shot at Reggie Bush

Chicagotexan1
04-27-2006, 02:10 PM
It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well. Some of those guys think of him as the next Steve McNair........ which I believe is a compliment coming from a Titans fan.

This is a link to an article I got off their board..... good read, if you ask me.

Something about Vince (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/atoz/article_1120076.php)

That's because they are picking 3rd. That is a reasonable spot for him.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 02:14 PM
they have no shot at Reggie Bush

shouldn't make any difference
That's because they are picking 3rd. That is a reasonable spot for him.

Even so..... folks here have been ripping Vince a new A-hole. Then they say no one outside of Houston would take Vince over Lienart........ I don't even think Tennessee really will, I think they should........ but their fans.... who I assume are mostly out of Houston, would be thrilled, some have even said overcome with Joy, to get Vince over Leinart, & Cutler.

But we shouldn't even consider trading down to get him........

trading down to get Vince & D'Angelo.

or anything that involves Vince coming to Houston.

chuckm
04-27-2006, 02:16 PM
shouldn't make any difference

well then how about because they haven't heard for months about how he's the greatest thing since KY jelly?

HoustonFrog
04-27-2006, 02:17 PM
The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.

I'm in the trade down club when it was a possibility but there is no way to say whether he is the BPA..yet!I think people can see that things may not work out but EVERY player has bust potential..not just VY. Bush could be Ki-Jana for all we know. There is nothing wrong with having hometown support. What all this boils down to is people need to make FOOTBALL arguments on why they want or don't want a certain player instead of b.s. personal statements. That is why I respect a poster like Thunder..he has been VY all the way and points out the logic in football terms..like the DD/RB post. People sure cast many stones on 21 year old kids. I was doing all the right things back then..lol.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 02:25 PM
well then how about because they haven't heard for months about how he's the greatest thing since KY jelly?

Have you ever used KY??

Then you know what all the fuss is about.

chuckm
04-27-2006, 02:26 PM
Have you ever used KY??

Then you know what all the fuss is about.


thanks for making my point

Frills
04-27-2006, 02:49 PM
It's amazing how much better recieved Vince is on the Titans board, than he is on the Texans Board..... he's got supporters, and detractors(Katsofana), but overall, he is thought of very well. Some of those guys think of him as the next Steve McNair........ which I believe is a compliment coming from a Titans fan.

This is a link to an article I got off their board..... good read, if you ask me.

Something about Vince (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/atoz/article_1120076.php)


I think part of it is they also don't have a ton of UT fans buying ads, hyping him up 24/7. If Rich Lord was a Nashville talking head, the locals would get annoyed eventually. I'd be willing to bet that 25%-35% of the anti VY camp don't have anything against him as a player, but are polarized by the UT fans onslaught of hype.

jerek
04-27-2006, 02:52 PM
I think part of it is they also don't have a ton of UT fans buying ads, hyping him up 24/7. If Rich Lord was a Nashville talking head, the locals would get annoyed eventually. I'd be willing to bet that 25%-35% of the anti VY camp don't have anything against him as a player, but are polarized by the UT fans onslaught of hype.

Somebody get this man his prize. And I would put the number at closer to 50%.

HomeBred_Texan
04-27-2006, 04:05 PM
It's been said that if Tenn takes Vince, that it will set there franchise back 5 years...

4Texans
04-27-2006, 05:05 PM
I can understand VY's disappointment, but I don't understand why he's surprised. I wonder what was ever said to VY that would make him think the Texans would pick him at #1. I doubt this was a Rashard Lewis situation where the people within the Rockets organization gave him the impression that they would pick him with one of their 3 picks......

Regardless, of what anyone thinks of Carr, he was still a #1 pick himself only 4 years ago, and the Texans forked over another $8 mill to keep him. After that I never could see them picking a QB in the 1st round this year, much less with the #1 pick.

I like VY, but I have never been sold that in this draft he was worthy of being the #1 overall pick. Within the top 10-12, yes....

I can't wait to see VY in the NFL though.

hollywood_texan
04-27-2006, 05:16 PM
It's been said that if Tenn takes Vince, that it will set there franchise back 5 years...

Anyone can say anything, and therefore it has been said...

So what?

TexasDiehard
04-27-2006, 06:08 PM
The anti VY crowd is nasty. Well yes, but The Pro VY crowd is just as bad. Why tear up Carr like he's the worst? Yes, he also shares the blame for the teams collapse, but it ain't just him. But I think the PRO VY drones are even worse because they are blinded by either the hometown or the UT factor. Big FREAKING deal where he's from. If he ain't the BPA, that's it!! Case closed. He's not the BPA. Have you at all thought about the fact possibility that VY might be just an OK pro or even (gasp) a BUST? Oh no, that's impossible because he's from Houston and that will protect him from all harm. What a bad joke of a notion it is to take a player 1st overall even though he is not the BPA because of his ZIP and college.

Your right about only one thing. It doesn't matter where VY is from. If he was from Florida or the moon he would still be the only outstanding, once in a lifetime athlete and leader in this draft and the best option for the Texans if they had a clue. Validation of your position by people who have botched almost every draft call for the last 4 years could not be more meaningless. My two year old could have made better draft calls than the Texans. The fact that that VY happens to be from Houston and UT only matters to the extent that it adds emphasis to the sad reality that the Texans will remain irrelevant losers until ownership changes. Not only is VY the best player available by far, he would have been a bonanza to an irrelevant franchise that hasn't won the hearts of anyone and has disappointed everyone. These guys are clearly the dumbest of the dumb. Houston deserves a lot better.

cuppacoffee
04-27-2006, 06:36 PM
Your right about only one thing. It doesn't matter where VY is from. If he was from Florida or the moon he would still be the only outstanding, once in a lifetime athlete and leader in this draft and the best option for the Texans if they had a clue. Validation of your position by people who have botched almost every draft call for the last 4 years could not be more meaningless. My two year old could have made better draft calls than the Texans. The fact that that VY happens to be from Houston and UT only matters to the extent that it adds emphasis to the sad reality that the Texans will remain irrelevant losers until ownership changes. Not only is VY the best player available by far, he would have been a bonanza to an irrelevant franchise that hasn't won the hearts of anyone and has disappointed everyone. These guys are clearly the dumbest of the dumb. Houston deserves a lot better.

:rofl:

Originally Posted by Frills
I think part of it is they also don't have a ton of UT fans buying ads, hyping him up 24/7. If Rich Lord was a Nashville talking head, the locals would get annoyed eventually. I'd be willing to bet that 25%-35% of the anti VY camp don't have anything against him as a player, but are polarized by the UT fans onslaught of hype.

Originally Posted by Jerek

Somebody get this man his prize. And I would put the number at closer to 50%.


Jerek......you can now make that 51%

:coffee:

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 09:50 AM
Your right about only one thing. It doesn't matter where VY is from. If he was from Florida or the moon he would still be the only outstanding, once in a lifetime athlete and leader in this draft and the best option for the Texans if they had a clue. Validation of your position by people who have botched almost every draft call for the last 4 years could not be more meaningless. My two year old could have made better draft calls than the Texans. The fact that that VY happens to be from Houston and UT only matters to the extent that it adds emphasis to the sad reality that the Texans will remain irrelevant losers until ownership changes. Not only is VY the best player available by far, he would have been a bonanza to an irrelevant franchise that hasn't won the hearts of anyone and has disappointed everyone. These guys are clearly the dumbest of the dumb. Houston deserves a lot better.

A once in a lifetime player wouldn't be projected to slide in the draft like VY might. He would be the clear cut #1 if he was a once in a lifetime player. Teams would be offering the moon for the chance to take him at the top. But they are not, and that is the reality of it all. And Ron Wolf said he's the next MJ of football. Wolf, shut the ** up. NO ONE knew MJ the prospect would be MJ the PRO. Please,,,, anyone can say that they could have made better decisions after the fact. That's a silly statement. I bet you would have drafted Brady over Pennington, Gerrald Warren or Richard Seymour, Portis or Pitts, McNabb over Couch. Then tell me Genious, why are you not heading up an NFL team? Better yet why aren't you and your 2 yr old the best 1-2 punch in the front office? That's because you don't really know jack and neither do I. It's all a gamble, anyone may be a boom or bust for a variety of reasons. So why not go with the player that is considered (at least by those know-nothing GM and pro-scouts) the best rated prospect?

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 10:21 AM
It's been said that if Tenn takes Vince, that it will set there franchise back 5 years...

IT was probably that Merrill Hodge, who'd take any runningback over any quarterback anyday.
:rofl:

Jerek......you can now make that 51%

:coffee:

do you look at the Pro-Reggie stuff the same way??

This board has no problem comparing Reggie to Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders etc...... etc...

But you call foul when Vince is compared to John Elway(by Dan Reeves no less) or McNabb, or Culpepper....

It's not appropriate to compare Mario Williams to Julius Peppers, much less Reggie White, or Bruce Smith.

A once in a lifetime player wouldn't be projected to slide in the draft like VY might. He would be the clear cut #1 if he was a once in a lifetime player. Teams would be offering the moon for the chance to take him at the top. But they are not, and that is the reality of it all.

Had they not extended Carr's contract, do you think Vince's stock would be "sliding"?? The only reason it's slid, is because teams have been adding QBs, or extending QBs to their roster. It has nothing to do with the prospect that is Vince Young. GreenBay has been rumored to be interested in selectinig Vince, even though they got their man Aaron(sp) Rodgers last year. Matt Lienarts stock has "slid" due to the same issues as Vince's...... does that mean Matt is a worse prospect than he was 1 month ago, or last year even, when he would've been a lock at #1??

Then according to your logic, Reggie is not worth the #1, as Casserly said there has been no interest to trade up to the #1 spot, for Mario, or Bush. He didn't say no "acceptable" offers have been fielded, but that there are no offers, no interest, none, nada zip.......... nobody else thinks he is worthy of the pick. Nobody that runs an NFL team anyway.

non natural texan
04-28-2006, 10:29 AM
Boo fu. k. n whoo.

bad
04-28-2006, 10:30 AM
Boo fu. k. n whoo.
Classy.

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 10:31 AM
Had they not extended Carr's contract, do you think Vince's stock would be "sliding"?? The only reason it's slid, is because teams have been adding QBs, or extending QBs to their roster. It has nothing to do with the prospect that is Vince Young. GreenBay has been rumored to be interested in selectinig Vince, even though they got their man Aaron(sp) Rodgers last year. Matt Lienarts stock has "slid" due to the same issues as Vince's...... does that mean Matt is a worse prospect than he was 1 month ago, or last year even, when he would've been a lock at #1??

Then according to your logic, Reggie is not worth the #1, as Casserly said there has been no interest to trade up to the #1 spot, for Mario, or Bush. He didn't say no "acceptable" offers have been fielded, but that there are no offers, no interest, none, nada zip.......... nobody else thinks he is worthy of the pick. Nobody that runs an NFL team anyway.

The Packers are not interseted in Vince. Former GM Ron Wolf said VY is the next VY of football not the Packers. And not every team is set at QB. And even if they are, how can they live with themselves knowing that they had passed up on "a once in a lifetime player"? Maybe because most teams feel he is not?

jerek
04-28-2006, 10:34 AM
Your right about only one thing. It doesn't matter where VY is from. If he was from Florida or the moon he would still be the only outstanding, once in a lifetime athlete and leader in this draft and the best option for the Texans if they had a clue. Validation of your position by people who have botched almost every draft call for the last 4 years could not be more meaningless. My two year old could have made better draft calls than the Texans. The fact that that VY happens to be from Houston and UT only matters to the extent that it adds emphasis to the sad reality that the Texans will remain irrelevant losers until ownership changes. Not only is VY the best player available by far, he would have been a bonanza to an irrelevant franchise that hasn't won the hearts of anyone and has disappointed everyone. These guys are clearly the dumbest of the dumb. Houston deserves a lot better.

You underscore my point, though I suspect you will never catch on to that point.

jerek
04-28-2006, 10:38 AM
IT was probably that Merrill Hodge, who'd take any runningback over any quarterback anyday.


do you look at the Pro-Reggie stuff the same way??

This board has no problem comparing Reggie to Gayle Sayers, Marshall Faulk, Barry Sanders etc...... etc...

But you call foul when Vince is compared to John Elway(by Dan Reeves no less) or McNabb, or Culpepper....

It's not appropriate to compare Mario Williams to Julius Peppers, much less Reggie White, or Bruce Smith.



Had they not extended Carr's contract, do you think Vince's stock would be "sliding"?? The only reason it's slid, is because teams have been adding QBs, or extending QBs to their roster. It has nothing to do with the prospect that is Vince Young. GreenBay has been rumored to be interested in selectinig Vince, even though they got their man Aaron(sp) Rodgers last year. Matt Lienarts stock has "slid" due to the same issues as Vince's...... does that mean Matt is a worse prospect than he was 1 month ago, or last year even, when he would've been a lock at #1??

Then according to your logic, Reggie is not worth the #1, as Casserly said there has been no interest to trade up to the #1 spot, for Mario, or Bush. He didn't say no "acceptable" offers have been fielded, but that there are no offers, no interest, none, nada zip.......... nobody else thinks he is worthy of the pick. Nobody that runs an NFL team anyway.

TK, of course the RB camp has done their share of illiterate mud flinging. And agreed, VY sliding has more to do with free agent QB acquisitions and there simpy being less need for QB early in the draft.

That said, Mario Williams most definitely compares to Julius Peppers/Reggie White and probably more readily than VY to Elway. Let's not forget that the DE position is more about raw athletic ability and heart than anything else. No one question's VY athletic ability or heart, but questions exist regarding his intelligence and decision making and mechanics. IMO the leap from college DE to NFL DE (esp at Williams size/speed) is much less than the leap from college QB to NFL QB, regardless of the prospect.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 10:54 AM
TK, of course the RB camp has done their share of illiterate mud flinging. And agreed, VY sliding has more to do with free agent QB acquisitions and there simpy being less need for QB early in the draft.
I'm cool with you, as far as arguing football....... I know you know your stuff, and I find it a challenge when we disagree. That, I think, makes this Messageboard worthwhile.

That said, Mario Williams most definitely compares to Julius Peppers/Reggie White and probably more readily than VY to Elway. Let's not forget that the DE position is more about raw athletic ability and heart than anything else. No one question's VY athletic ability or heart, but questions exist regarding his intelligence and decision making and mechanics. IMO the leap from college DE to NFL DE (esp at Williams size/speed) is much less than the leap from college QB to NFL QB, regardless of the prospect.
So any dummy can be a defensive end, as long as he's stronger than all get out, and faster than 350lb linemen??

I don't think so. You take your raw athletic ability, and you get Jevon Kearse, who IMHO is one of the biggest disappointments to every play on the defensive line. He had it all, power, speed, and attitude....... but he knew everything, and doesn't/didn't work on developing his technique or his knowledge of his opponent. Even though he is productive at the position, he is nowhere near what he should've been.
I'd bet Reggie & Bruce watched as much film as anyone, and they both have their patented moves that are studied by every defensive end wanna be from the CFL to Junior high.

Besides, the comparisons will never be 100% accurate, as we are all individuals. Because Mario= 80%(Bruce Smith/Reggie White) & Vince=75% Elway, is no reason to beat one guy down for making such a comparison, and praising another for the same thing.

jerek
04-28-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm cool with you, as far as arguing football....... I know you know your stuff, and I find it a challenge when we disagree. That, I think, makes this Messageboard worthwhile.

So any dummy can be a defensive end, as long as he's stronger than all get out, and faster than 350lb linemen??

I don't think so. You take your raw athletic ability, and you get Jevon Kearse, who IMHO is one of the biggest disappointments to every play on the defensive line. He had it all, power, speed, and attitude....... but he knew everything, and doesn't/didn't work on developing his technique or his knowledge of his opponent. Even though he is productive at the position, he is nowhere near what he should've been.
I'd bet Reggie & Bruce watched as much film as anyone, and they both have their patented moves that are studied by every defensive end wanna be from the CFL to Junior high.

Besides, the comparisons will never be 100% accurate, as we are all individuals. Because Mario= 80%(Bruce Smith/Reggie White) & Vince=75% Elway, is no reason to beat one guy down for making such a comparison, and praising another for the same thing.

Agreed that comparisons will never be one hundred percent accurate. I do not see a lot of comparison between Elway and VY myself, but if others do so be it.

As far as DE, this is the thing. Think about all that goes into being a successful quarterback at the NFL level: good arm, good mechanics, good vision and quick decision making, and of course mobility helps, as well as room for those intangibles like leadership, the "it" factor, whatever you want to call it. VY clearly has mobility and has clearly demonstrated poise and leadership, but his arm is not particularly strong, his mechanics are iffy, and much has been made of the offense he ran and his ability to translate his game to a "real" NFL offense. IMO he will be a successful NFL QB, but he has a lot to learn and lot of ground to cover in the process.

Now, consider an NFL DE. Speed and strength are very prominent factors. Next we consider moves and technique; also important, but easier to develop with proper coaching. Basic stunts, swim moves, bull rushes, etc. are debatedly easier skills to develop. Mario Williams is perhaps the most superior athlete ever to play the position; he is young and raw still but has at least as much upside as VY. You point to guys like White and Smith and praise their film study and patented moves, yet you have zero knowledge of Williams' own game habits or what he does or will do to improve himself. Did Reggie and Bruce come out of college with those 'patented moves?' No, they, like Williams, were phenomenal athletes at the position who came into the league and benefitted from coaching and pro experience. Believe me, as high as Kubiak and our FO has reportedly been on Reggie for months? They are not passing Bush for Williams lightly.

The worst anyone can say about Mario Williams is that he is young and not as much is known about him. Most people have seen at most a highlight clip of the guy. A friend of mine loaned me four different, full game tapes of him. Trust me, he is and will be the real deal.

Comparing Williams to VY is somewhat moot IMO though, because bottom line we are passing on VY because of a prior commitment to Carr. That has always been the case and thus VY has never been in the running as far as the Texans are concerned: it made football sense from the day we resigned the guy, and I think Peyton Manning could have come out this year and we were still committed to Carr, regardless. Our FO feels -- and I agree -- that Carr can and will get the job done at QB. On the other hand, the only "true" 4-3 DE (more of the same DE/DT hybrid we already have in guys like Robaire Smith) we have is Anthony Weaver, who is a solid inside presence but is slow and hardly a pass rush threat. We have Babin who is iffy and Peek who is not an every-down DE, so naturally we turn to the perhaps greatest physical specimen to ever come out of college and ask ourselves, hmm, I wonder what he could for the Texans today?

And believe me, Mario is easily perhaps the greatest physical specimen to come out of the college game.

Any way, Mario is gonna be good, and I believe quite possibly revolutionary. I don't think quite so highly of Vince, but I will give him his props any day of the week, and I think he will be quite successful in the NFL.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 11:23 AM
Agreed that comparisons will never be one hundred percent accurate. I do not see a lot of comparison between Elway and VY myself, but if others do so be it.

Any way

And that's all this little argument was about...... I'm over Vince being a Texan..... I'm not arguing that.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 11:27 AM
....... it made football sense from the day we resigned the guy, and I think Peyton Manning could have come out this year and we were still committed to Carr, regardless. Our FO feels -- and I agree -- that Carr can and will get the job done at QB.

If you had trent Dilfer, before the Superbowl...... Kubiak & Mcnair says he's good enough, and Peyton Manning coming out of college...... Houston Texans are on the clock.......... do you think we should pass??

Everything else about our situation is the same. You can even say Peyton is from Houston if that would influence your decision one way or the other.

HoustonFrog
04-28-2006, 11:29 AM
A once in a lifetime player wouldn't be projected to slide in the draft like VY might. He would be the clear cut #1 if he was a once in a lifetime player. Teams would be offering the moon for the chance to take him at the top.

You mean like Emmitt Smith at #17 (to small and slow), Joe Montana, Dan Marino, etc, etc, etc.. none clear cut #1s. Just a horrible argument since there are alot more busts than studs in the history of the Top 5.

Runner
04-28-2006, 11:31 AM
If you had trent Dilfer, before the Superbowl...... Kubiak & Mcnair says he's good enough, and Peyton Manning coming out of college...... Houston Texans are on the clock.......... do you think we should pass??

Everything else about our situation is the same. You can even say Peyton is from Houston if that would influence your decision one way or the other.

Everything else isn't the same - two very highly rated non-QBs are available this year. That changes the equation.

jerek
04-28-2006, 11:33 AM
If you had trent Dilfer, before the Superbowl...... Kubiak & Mcnair says he's good enough, and Peyton Manning coming out of college...... Houston Texans are on the clock.......... do you think we should pass??

Everything else about our situation is the same. You can even say Peyton is from Houston if that would influence your decision one way or the other.

Probably not, but if I thought that Carr was as average as Dilfer and Young as special as Manning (although, Manning is phenomenal no doubt, but I question if he's got the stones to get it done past the first round of the playoffs), then it would be a different story in terms of who I wanted. Trouble is, our FO thinks Carr is at least "good enough," they evidently do not think VY is substantial enough of an upgrade over Carr's "at least good enough" and that we have other positions of much greater need, at least one of which features an equally special, if not more impressive, "once in a lifetime" talent (again, depending on POV.)

IMO if they disagreed, they would not have resigned Carr.

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 12:34 PM
You mean like Emmitt Smith at #17 (to small and slow), Joe Montana, Dan Marino, etc, etc, etc.. none clear cut #1s. Just a horrible argument since there are alot more busts than studs in the history of the Top 5.

Hometown, not being a factor, so why not take the BPA with the least risk?

TreWardTxn
04-28-2006, 12:47 PM
A once in a lifetime player wouldn't be projected to slide in the draft like VY might. He would be the clear cut #1 if he was a once in a lifetime player. Teams would be offering the moon for the chance to take him at the top. But they are not, and that is the reality of it all. And Ron Wolf said he's the next MJ of football. Wolf, shut the ** up. NO ONE knew MJ the prospect would be MJ the PRO. Please,,,, anyone can say that they could have made better decisions after the fact.

I don't know if anyone thought that MJ would have 6 rings by the time he retired, but that said; Jordan had athleticism and the ability to make sensational plays that made him standout among other players, he was a 3rd pick. When you factor that in with his competitive spirit and ability to come through in the clutch (which is where the VY comparison is useful) and it starts to make more sense. The way Jordan won that '82 championship (as an underdog against college legend Ewing) told you something about his mentality, and the same is true for Vince...

Jordan didn't have that fadeaway jumper down pat until after the first comeback. What's the NFL QB equivalent of that? Probably an over-the-outside-shoulder fade throw, and guys who are willing to work find a way reach that potential.

But that's not the point. The way Young handles pressure and makes everyone believe he'll get the job done is speical. After that go-ahead TD in the Rose Bowl he looked emotionless, not shocked, happy, or anything; he stayed calm and got his team ready for the 2 pt. conversion, displaying great awareness of the situation. Say what you want about him, but he saved all the chest thumping for after the game.

Maybe VY should be more compared to Drexler. Team after team passed on him because they thought he couldn't shoot. 'All he does is run and dunk'...well, where is he now? In the hall of fame as one of the NBA's 50 greatest players. Young will be the same way...

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 01:02 PM
I'm still not conVINCEd.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 01:05 PM
Everything else isn't the same - two very highly rated non-QBs are available this year. That changes the equation.
no, that's what I'm saying. Do you pass on Manning to get Bush or Mario..

Probably not, but if I thought that Carr was as average as Dilfer and Young as special as Manning (although, Manning is phenomenal no doubt, but I question if he's got the stones to get it done past the first round of the playoffs), then it would be a different story in terms of who I wanted. Trouble is, our FO thinks Carr is at least "good enough," they evidently do not think VY is substantial enough of an upgrade over Carr's "at least good enough" and that we have other positions of much greater need, at least one of which features an equally special, if not more impressive, "once in a lifetime" talent (again, depending on POV.)

IMO if they disagreed, they would not have resigned Carr.


Yeah, I understand that...... I'm just trying to figure out what "good enough" is......... Is "good enough" 2005 Hasselback/Plummer....... or SuperBowl Dilfer/Johnson....... Is good enough Bledsoe??

I think he's "Bledsoe", & I think Vince is "McNabb"(the running equivalent to Manning). The money thing screws everything up..... the $8 mil extension... I've just been trying to be a torn in some peoples side.

Honoring Earl 34
04-28-2006, 01:27 PM
If Vince Young played for Notre Dame via Chicago , this would be a non issue .
Reggie Bush is the safest bet to be a sure thing . Mario's stock started to rise after the combine . He did'nt play up to his numbers during the season .
Until Vince proves otherwise , Hassleback is a better pro QB .

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 01:30 PM
If Vince Young played for Notre Dame via Chicago , this would be a non issue .
Reggie Bush is the safest bet to be a sure thing .


I object.......... speculation.

Honoring Earl 34
04-28-2006, 01:53 PM
Your right ... its all speculation . Does anyone know what the dinosaurs looked like . You take the information given and try to project . Reggie has the best fossills to build from .

HoustonFrog
04-28-2006, 02:02 PM
Hometown, not being a factor, so why not take the BPA with the least risk?

I'm not saying take VY but your initial argument was that if he was such a stud why would he slide?The answer is that a ton of studs have slid because most NFL teams concentrate on H, W, speed, drills, etc and will put all that in front of intangibles. Some guys just have the mentality. We will see when this all pans out but I bet 2 out of the Top 4 guys aren't as great as people think we we look back. I'll still stick with my middle of the road comments though. VY is a stud and a good kid, same with Bush, same with most of these top 5 guys. We just have differing opinions on what is best for the team. The scary part is that this draft will shape us for a long while.

HoustonFrog
04-28-2006, 02:06 PM
If Vince Young played for Notre Dame via Chicago , this would be a non issue .

I'm not sure on this. I think some people see his skills and think they translate into us needign a guy who can take over games and who has the ball in his hands. Some don't like Carr and think we just overpaid. Would the UT faithful be so upset..hell no..but I think people would still debate VY. The only thing I have heard Casserly say that I agree with is that you evaluate and hope it works out. I refuse to believe that I can figure out if Bush or VY or both are going to be stud.

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 02:06 PM
I'm not saying take VY but your initial argument was that if he was such a stud why would he slide?The answer is that a ton of studs have slid because most NFL teams concentrate on H, W, speed, drills, etc and will put all that in front of intangibles. Some guys just have the mentality. We will see when this all pans out but I bet 2 out of the Top 4 guys aren't as great as people think we we look back. I'll still stick with my middle of the road comments though. VY is a stud and a good kid, same with Bush, same with most of these top 5 guys. We just have differing opinions on what is best for the team. The scary part is that this draft will shape us for a long while.

Can't argue that one. I love civility in the face of disagreement.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 02:09 PM
I'm not saying take VY but your initial argument was that if he was such a stud why would he slide?The answer is that a ton of studs have slid because most NFL teams concentrate on H, W, speed, drills, etc and will put all that in front of intangibles. Some guys just have the mentality. We will see when this all pans out but I bet 2 out of the Top 4 guys aren't as great as people think we we look back. I'll still stick with my middle of the road comments though. VY is a stud and a good kid, same with Bush, same with most of these top 5 guys. We just have differing opinions on what is best for the team. The scary part is that this draft will shape us for a long while.

Not only that, but it's not easy to factor in things like level of competition, level of the players around him, what's his motivation(which I think is the most important), and things like that. Emmitt Smith wanted to be the best... Aikman wanted to win..... Dante had something to prove....... and Minnesota gave hims something else to prove......

HoustonFrog
04-28-2006, 02:17 PM
Can't argue that one. I love civility in the face of disagreement.

:) Thanks. There is no need for anyone to get too fired up about opinions on football players. It is supposed to be fun..lol

Chicagotexan1
04-28-2006, 02:18 PM
:) Thanks. There is no need for anyone to get too fired up about opinions on football players. It is supposed to be fun..lol

But this is Texas. Things are diffrent in our country.

cuppacoffee
04-28-2006, 02:27 PM
If Vince Young played for Notre Dame via Chicago , this would be a non issue .
Reggie Bush is the safest bet to be a sure thing . Mario's stock started to rise after the combine . He did'nt play up to his numbers during the season .
Until Vince proves otherwise , Hassleback is a better pro QB .

I do not believe Vince could have beaten out Brady Quinn. :D

JMHO though.

:coffee:

HoustonFrog
04-28-2006, 02:36 PM
But this is Texas. Things are diffrent in our country.

LOL..it is but I refuse to let people's opinion undermine my wasting hours at work.:redtowel:

Mike Kerns
04-28-2006, 02:38 PM
LOL..it is but I refuse to let people's opinion undermine my wasting hours at work.:redtowel:

Honestly, who is still working right now? :spy:

Honoring Earl 34
04-28-2006, 02:51 PM
:pigfly: I just heard Mattress Mac is going to buy the Saints and play them in the Astrodome . He is trading Drew Brees to the Cowboys for a 3rd round pick . This opens the door for Vince to play in Houston .


Mac says he and VY will compete head up against the Texans and Bush for the Houston dollar on Sundays . He'll have tents setup to sell recliners and mattresses . He will also drop ticket prices 10% with your good credit .

Doom Capers
04-28-2006, 03:26 PM
he's even dumber than i thought.


Hahaha, he must be pretty dumb then.

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Honestly, who is still working right now? :spy:

I'm gonna get fired....

Htown34s
04-28-2006, 06:05 PM
I'm gonna get fired....

Gotta take your pic out of your avatar!! Quick, before someone at work recognizes you!

thunderkyss
04-28-2006, 06:17 PM
Gotta take your pic out of your avatar!! Quick, before someone at work recognizes you!


Doh.....

Well, I made it home. so I'm fine for now.

I hope to not spend as much time here next week, you know about 40 hrs less per week, after the draft....... I should be ok.

DynoMoxie
04-28-2006, 07:50 PM
Dominate twice a year? Hopefully not.

Face twice a year? probably

New found rivaly? A certainty

Maybe not dominate... but beat us twice a year... that's a very real possibility everyone in Houston better get ready for. Johnson and Moulds can only catch the ball when it's thrown to them. You've got to make good reads and good decisions where that's concerned. Did you see some of the balls Andre had to try to catch from DC? I wish people would quit bashing Young's ability to accurately pass the football. What has the guy got to do to prove himself?

DynoMoxie
04-28-2006, 08:15 PM
Thats too bad...Oh well it will be fun facing him! We will need mario williams to stop him however!


We'll need 11 Marios to stop him. You saw how well one of the best college teams in the nation stopped him, one of the best recordwise of all time... especially when they knew what he was going to do. I hate to say it but Mario's not going to do the trick.