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GP
04-26-2006, 04:30 PM
"We came to the conclusion that to draft a quarterback, whether it be Vince Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler, was not the best thing for this football team," Casserly said. "The best thing for this football team was to use the first pick in this draft to add a premier player at another position."

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What else can be said?

Oh, I forgot...this is all just smoke and mirrors. Not.

That's about as good as you'll ever get on an NFL team revealing that it has x'd itself out of taking a certain player, or even dismissing an entire position or category.

It really is going to be Bush or Williams. Either one of those will be fine by me.

But I do know this: It ain't going to be Vince Young.

GP
04-26-2006, 04:35 PM
:crying: :goodnight :thud:

thunderkyss
04-26-2006, 04:47 PM
Believe it or not, I've been pretty sure for some time, that the Texans weren't going to draft Vince Young.... right about the time they signed Rosenfells.

But of course, that's never swayed me from believing that Vince Young is the best player in this draft...... that Vince is the only player worthy of the #1 pick in this draft, although there has been a pretty good case built for Mario Williams Since the Senior Bowl, and that the Texans are going to mess this draft up.

Now, another bit of honesty..... I've been against drafting Reggie Bush, regardless of where in the draft, since the "Bush Bowl" that was sickening. IMHO, if you are going to draft, to make those fans happy, then you should get rid of the only Texan that has been booed in Reliant stadium.... the fans have spoken.

Nawzer
04-26-2006, 04:49 PM
I wasn't on the "VY for Texans QB" bandwagon, but I'm a fan of his and I wish him the very best wherever he goes. It will take time and patience, but eventually he will become a star in this league.

PapaL
04-26-2006, 04:51 PM
"We came to the conclusion that to draft a quarterback, whether it be Vince Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler, was not the best thing for this football team," Casserly said. "The best thing for this football team was to use the first pick in this draft to add a premier player at another position."

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2422983

Link to your article.

Eyeguy
04-26-2006, 04:51 PM
I wasn't on the "VY for Texans QB" bandwagon, but I'm a fan of his and I wish him the very best wherever he goes. It will take time and patience, but eventually he will become a star in this league.
Ditto, Good Luck Vince I hope you play in the NFC

Trap_Star
04-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Believe it or not, I've been pretty sure for some time, that the Texans weren't going to draft Vince Young.... right about the time they signed Rosenfells.

But of course, that's never swayed me from believing that Vince Young is the best player in this draft...... that Vince is the only player worthy of the #1 pick in this draft, although there has been a pretty good case built for Mario Williams Since the Senior Bowl, and that the Texans are going to mess this draft up.

Now, another bit of honesty..... I've been against drafting Reggie Bush, regardless of where in the draft, since the "Bush Bowl" that was sickening. IMHO, if you are going to draft, to make those fans happy, then you should get rid of the only Texan that has been booed in Reliant stadium.... the fans have spoken.

Williams was'nt at the seniorbowl.(He's a junior) His buzz started at the combine...

shinerbock_girl
04-26-2006, 04:52 PM
I wasn't on the "VY for Texans QB" bandwagon, but I'm a fan of his and I wish him the very best wherever he goes. It will take time and patience, but eventually he will become a star in this league.

Especially when he quotes this, "We can't let ourselves be influenced by public pressure," he said. "You can never do that. Public pressure can sway."

But is he prepared for the potential backlash if the team passes on not just Young, but Heisman Trophy winner Bush, as well?

"If that happens, then I'll be the first one to defend Mario Williams," he said. "What people should understand is that if we take Mario Williams and if somebody doesn't like it, then I'm right here and I'm the guy to yell at. Nobody else. Boo me. Don't boo Mario Williams."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnT5KezUwrcr7o1m09xwfwNDubYF?slug=ap-texans-draft&prov=ap&type=lgns

Doesn't sound encouraging for Reggie :crying:

Porky
04-26-2006, 04:57 PM
The hand writing has been on the wall since they re-upped Carr. This isn't news to me. If you have been living in beautiful downtown Houston and have your head in the parted clouds waiting for Lord Vince to bestow his heavenly figure upon downtown Houston, then ya, it's a shock.

thunderkyss
04-26-2006, 05:05 PM
Williams was'nt at the seniorbowl.(He's a junior) His buzz started at the combine...

who was the DE practicing against Ferguson??


Almost forgot.......

Wow, he's only a junior???

Kaiser Toro
04-26-2006, 05:07 PM
"We came to the conclusion that to draft a quarterback, whether it be Vince Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler, was not the best thing for this football team," Casserly said. "The best thing for this football team was to use the first pick in this draft to add a premier player at another position."

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What else can be said?

Oh, I forgot...this is all just smoke and mirrors. Not.

That's about as good as you'll ever get on an NFL team revealing that it has x'd itself out of taking a certain player, or even dismissing an entire position or category.

It really is going to be Bush or Williams. Either one of those will be fine by me.

But I do know this: It ain't going to be Vince Young.

In my opinion the only thing worse than drafting another QB this year in the first round are people who get goose bumps and find joy to let others know that he will not be coming here.

dirty steve
04-26-2006, 05:08 PM
who was the DE practicing against Ferguson??


Almost forgot.......

Wow, he's only a junior???

mathias kiwanuka from boston college if i'm not mistaken.

Nawzer
04-26-2006, 05:15 PM
Especially when he quotes this, "We can't let ourselves be influenced by public pressure," he said. "You can never do that. Public pressure can sway."

But is he prepared for the potential backlash if the team passes on not just Young, but Heisman Trophy winner Bush, as well?

"If that happens, then I'll be the first one to defend Mario Williams," he said. "What people should understand is that if we take Mario Williams and if somebody doesn't like it, then I'm right here and I'm the guy to yell at. Nobody else. Boo me. Don't boo Mario Williams."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnT5KezUwrcr7o1m09xwfwNDubYF?slug=ap-texans-draft&prov=ap&type=lgns

Doesn't sound encouraging for Reggie :crying:


Well that doesn't sound discouraging to me. All Casserly is saying is that don't boo Williams because he was picked by the Texans. He has no control over where he's going. I think he doesn't want a situation like in Philly years back when they picked McNabb and the fans booed him. I will be definitely be very dissapointed if we don't pick Reggie Bush. And the only way I'm going to get over that is that if we win because winning cures all that is ill. Also, M.Williams for me has to perform near pro-bowl level his first year, that's the only way I can justify the Texans picking him over Bush.:twocents:

thunderkyss
04-26-2006, 05:17 PM
mathias kiwanuka from boston college if i'm not mistaken.

Kiwanaka......... williams...... maybe I got those two names confused??

This particular guy looked impressive against D'Brick, if I'm not mistaken.... on passing downs..... or pass protection drills.

kastofsna
04-26-2006, 05:18 PM
Williams was'nt at the seniorbowl.(He's a junior) His buzz started at the combine...
he's had buzz on him for a long time. i remember a bunch of people last year saying he was the best defensive player in the country as a sophomore. it just took a while for him to get in the national picture, but he would've been a top 5 pick regardless of hype.

Trap_Star
04-26-2006, 05:18 PM
Kiwanaka......... williams...... maybe I got those two names confused??

This particular guy looked impressive against D'Brick, if I'm not mistaken.... on passing downs..... or pass protection drills.

Darryl Tapp???:confused:

kastofsna
04-26-2006, 05:20 PM
tapp has been pretty much the only player to look impressive against ferguson in the past 2 years.

Trap_Star
04-26-2006, 05:20 PM
he's had buzz on him for a long time. i remember a bunch of people last year saying he was the best defensive player in the country as a sophomore. it just took a while for him to get in the national picture, but he would've been a top 5 pick regardless of hype.

I meant to say the buzz on him being the Texans pick.

Yep, I agree....:ok:

Texans_Chick
04-26-2006, 05:38 PM
In my opinion the only thing worse than drafting another QB this year in the first round are people who get goose bumps and find joy to let others know that he will not be coming here.


Well said.

At this point, I am merely rooting against certain players going to certain teams.

Texaneyes
04-26-2006, 05:39 PM
Ditto, Good Luck Vince I hope you play in the NFC

If the Texans don't draft Vince Young, they'll go right to the top of the all-time bonehead chart:

They'll lose a once-in-a-lifetime player, the best draft pick in decades.

They'll lose their one chance for a statewide fan base, a fan base that Dallas currently monopolizes.

The Houston Texans owners and coaches will only go to the Superbowl if their travel agents can get them tickets to the game.

Texans_Chick
04-26-2006, 05:53 PM
If the Texans don't draft Vince Young, they'll go right to the top of the all-time bonehead chart:

They'll lose a once-in-a-lifetime player, the best draft pick in decades.

They'll lose their one chance for a statewide fan base, a fan base that Dallas currently monopolizes.

The Houston Texans owners and coaches will only go to the Superbowl if their travel agents can get them tickets to the game.

I like VY more than most, but I would like to familiarize you with this word:


hyperbole (hī-pr'be-lē)
n.

The act or an instance of exaggerating: exaggeration, hyperbolism, overstatement, tall talk. See increase/decrease.


If you are a Texans fan, and you really think VY will be good, I think at this point you can just hope that he doesn't go to a team you dislike.

thunderkyss
04-26-2006, 06:06 PM
If you are a Texans fan, and you really think VY will be good, I think at this point you can just hope that he doesn't go to a team you dislike.


Keep Hope Alive

aside from all that stuff he wrote, which I do not approve of........

what's the harm in letting the fan hope 'till they announce it?? It'll be like Christmas.......

Hervoyel
04-26-2006, 07:43 PM
In my opinion the only thing worse than drafting another QB this year in the first round are people who get goose bumps and find joy to let others know that he will not be coming here.


Yes of course, because we all know that if the announcement had been a surprise Vince Young signing then nobody (say for instance... Monarch) would be in here with goose bumps and joy telling the Bush supporters that he wouldn't be coming here.

It's not black and white KT. Some Vince supporters deserve to be left alone since their hopes have been dashed. Others deserve to have it ground into their faces until those on the other side get bored.

But it works both ways too. Not every Reggie Bush supporter has conducted himself in a manner deserving of taking the high ground.

As for myself I'm not going to get excited about this yet. Reggie Bush is my pick but he hasn't been signed yet and nobody has called his name out as the Texans first pick. We're not in the clear yet.

C'mon Reggie......c'mon. Sign the paper man, just sign the paper.

Hervoyel
04-26-2006, 07:50 PM
They'll lose their one chance for a statewide fan base, a fan base that Dallas currently monopolizes.

"lose their one chance at a statewide fan base"?

You're kidding right?

It's terrible that the Texans will never again for all eternity have a chance to win fans in Texas because they didn't take Vince Young in 2006. I'm sure the Texans fans of 2048 will still be crushed over the non-pick.

I understand you're not happy that they aren't taking Vince. Last year I about had a cow when they passed on Derrick Johnson. This is just an unrealistic take though.

Wolf
04-26-2006, 07:54 PM
"lose their one chance at a statewide fan base"?

You're kidding right?

It's terrible that the Texans will never again for all eternity have a chance to win fans in Texas because they didn't take Vince Young in 2006. I'm sure the Texans fans of 2048 will still be crushed over the non-pick.

I understand you're not happy that they aren't taking Vince. Last year I about had a cow when they passed on Derrick Johnson. This is just an unrealistic take though.

agreed, herv, I had a cow that we passed on DJ also, we needed a LB ..this year we don't need a QB

Dolby
04-26-2006, 08:02 PM
If the Texans don't draft Vince Young, they'll go right to the top of the all-time bonehead chart:

They'll lose a once-in-a-lifetime player, the best draft pick in decades.

They'll lose their one chance for a statewide fan base, a fan base that Dallas currently monopolizes.

The Houston Texans owners and coaches will only go to the Superbowl if their travel agents can get them tickets to the game.

Tennesse is only a 12 hour trip each way. Those VY fans can always roundtrip it and be back in town for work on Monday.:crying:

But is he prepared for the potential backlash if the team passes on not just Young but Heisman Trophy winner Bush as well?

"If that happens, then I'll be the first one to defend Mario Williams," he said. "What people should understand is that if we take Mario Williams and if somebody doesn't like it, then I'm right here and I'm the guy to yell at. Nobody else. Boo me. Don't boo Mario Williams."

My money is on Williams....


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Dolby of Cypress
It all gets better from here - DoC

Huge
04-26-2006, 08:10 PM
1 down.

16 more to go.

Bongo59
04-26-2006, 09:06 PM
look at it this way, you'll get to visit and see VY twice a yr and we'll get to see Bush.................The Colts and Jags have to deal with it 4 times .......................

gwallaia
04-26-2006, 09:11 PM
look at it this way, you'll get to visit and see VY twice a yr and we'll get to see Bush.................The Colts and Jags have to deal with it 4 times .......................

Well said Bongo.
What are the Titans thinking? Leinart or Young?

kastofsna
04-26-2006, 09:23 PM
1 down.

16 more to go.
sadly for you he'll get drafted at 11.

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:09 PM
Keep Hope Alive

aside from all that stuff he wrote, which I do not approve of........

what's the harm in letting the fan hope 'till they announce it?? It'll be like Christmas.......

Santa Claus is a myth, my friends. I'll leave the analogy at that.

Mailman04
04-26-2006, 11:14 PM
Good it was more of a nightmare than dream anyway for me that they would even consider Vince Young.

ToroFan
04-26-2006, 11:16 PM
I think the Texans will draft Bush (if they can get him signed before the draft). I don't think the Texans want to have any more than 26-27 million in guaranteed money for a running back, but that is just a hunch.

I think Mario Williams is a back up plan just in case Bush's agent throws out some ridiculous numbers.

In any event, I am sad that the Texans aren't going to take take VY, but I wouldn't boo whoever we do take. Booing Casserly on the other hand...

I just think the QB position is so much more important than RB or DE and in my mind after 4 years David Carr hasn't shown me much (even factoring in the bad O-line and coaching). Some people say that it is unfair to David Carr, but the only thing in the NFL that breeds loyalty is winning, not just getting up after a sack. And sometimes winning and/or tenure isn't enough (See the Patriots with Milloy, Law, Bledsoe, Vinatieri).

In any event, Kubes thinks he can transform David Carr, but I think he is more Griese than Plummer. Hopefully he proves me wrong and transforms him into something closer to Elway.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 07:43 AM
Santa Claus is a myth, my friends. I'll leave the analogy at that.

Santa Clause is nowhere, and everywhere........ the spirit of Christmas.....



Now, six years from now. Let's say VY has a career similar to Dante Culpepper.... one(or was it two) NFC/AFC championship games...... a couple of ProBowl appearances.... QB rating never dropping below 80, and several Bret Farve like preformances(carrying his team to wins).....

Also, for this example, let's say David Carr, 6 years from now, has been signed to his third team,as a journeyman starter/backup..... everynow and a gain, showing flashes of brilliance. Both of his previous teams just happen to have the worst offensive lines in the league at the time David is there.

Looking back from that time.............. six years in the future, would you say,"Who knew??" or would you say, "Maybe taking Vince would have been the best use of that pick" ??

Be honest.

Tayton
04-27-2006, 08:14 AM
Virtually no one outside of Houston/Austin thinks we should take VY. This team is going to be much better this year regardless of who they take and I think most fans will be behind them. I personally think that we will be better with Carr/Bush/Davis/Johnson/Moulds than with VY/Davis/Johnson/Moulds.

gwallaia
04-27-2006, 08:44 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

jerek
04-27-2006, 08:59 AM
Santa Clause is nowhere, and everywhere........ the spirit of Christmas.....



Now, six years from now. Let's say VY has a career similar to Dante Culpepper.... one(or was it two) NFC/AFC championship games...... a couple of ProBowl appearances.... QB rating never dropping below 80, and several Bret Farve like preformances(carrying his team to wins).....

Also, for this example, let's say David Carr, 6 years from now, has been signed to his third team,as a journeyman starter/backup..... everynow and a gain, showing flashes of brilliance. Both of his previous teams just happen to have the worst offensive lines in the league at the time David is there.

Looking back from that time.............. six years in the future, would you say,"Who knew??" or would you say, "Maybe taking Vince would have been the best use of that pick" ??

Be honest.

I would say we probably should have taken Vince. That said, we have been on this merrygoround since November and I still do not blame Carr for our team's problems nearly to the extent that you and others do, and for the record, I still believe Carr will do very well under Kubiak. For that matter I think VY will do well -- take a few knocks early, sure -- but do well in this league, I just did not think he was worth drafting to replace Carr when we had other more pressing needs.

It's a wait and see kind of deal from here on out.

GP
04-27-2006, 09:00 AM
In my opinion the only thing worse than drafting another QB this year in the first round are people who get goose bumps and find joy to let others know that he will not be coming here.

For all the baloney we've had to listen to between the Vince Young supporters against the Anybody But Vince Young supporters since the Rose Bowl had concluded...I was delighted to be able to post (FINALLY) a definitive post that puts that whole topic to rest.

It's finished. It's over. Finally, no more threads about why we should take Young. Granted, it has come a little late...but coming here for the next two days and knowing I won't have to wade through the "Draft Vince Young" protester line is two days that'll feel like two weeks.

I wanted to make a thread for it so that all who come here will see that the Vince Young talk has to stop. There's no reason for it anymore. And I bet if it were the other way around, someone would have posted a "We're not drafting Regie Bush" thread. I guarantee you I wouldn't be sulking and crying like the Vince Young crowd is today. The difference between Vince Young supporters and Bush supporters is that one guy really is talented enough to warrant being picked first as the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE in the draft. And since we're drafting No. 1...I want to see us take the best player available. Vince is not that guy, but the politicking for this "hometown hero" is just so over the top it's bizarre. I'm in favor of us getting the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE in the draft, but Vince Young supporters are ONLY interested in "their guy" getting the nod. Big difference.

And if that means that I post a new thread to let them know that our team isn't as blinded as they are...well, then I'm guilty. We've all been saying it to them, and now our team is saying it to them.

And for the record, check my posts: I am in favor of getting Bush and/or Williams because if Williams is the guy the Texans think is the best player available (due to money, or whatever) then I am in favor of it. I think Bush grades out higher overall, but I'd be content with Williams also. Thus, I prove my point all over agian: The people who are offended by my thread are those who deserve to be ridiculed and should feel bitter about my post. Why? Because they have other interests (getting "their guy" the nod) that don't necessarily fit the team's best interests. They hate Carr, they love Young, and it was a match made in heaven with no real basis in reality.

And it's nice to see that you sit on the judgment throne from on high, making sure you police motives. You're a pot stirrer, too, pal. No doubt about that.

Done.

bad
04-27-2006, 09:04 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1 Hardy har har

They're just a bit reactionary over there, aren't they? MONARCH should pay 'em a visit. Might cheer 'em up.

TexanBacker93
04-27-2006, 09:06 AM
Santa Clause is nowhere, and everywhere........ the spirit of Christmas.....



Now, six years from now. Let's say VY has a career similar to Dante Culpepper.... one(or was it two) NFC/AFC championship games...... a couple of ProBowl appearances.... QB rating never dropping below 80, and several Bret Farve like preformances(carrying his team to wins).....

Also, for this example, let's say David Carr, 6 years from now, has been signed to his third team,as a journeyman starter/backup..... everynow and a gain, showing flashes of brilliance. Both of his previous teams just happen to have the worst offensive lines in the league at the time David is there.

Looking back from that time.............. six years in the future, would you say,"Who knew??" or would you say, "Maybe taking Vince would have been the best use of that pick" ??

Be honest.

That would depend on how well Bush or Williams performed for the team. If they were perennial pro bowl/all-pro players I would still think it was the best for the team. If a team has the right supporting players and the right system to support their QB even a non-"once in a lifetime" player can be great. Joe Montana and Tom Brady didn't exactly blow up the draft boards, but they fell into the right situations. This can happen at RB just as well, but right now I still feel Williams is the pick if the team wants to win Super Bowls. You win championships with Defense. You put casual fans in the seats with superstars, but you put real fans there for a longer time with a championship caliber team.

jerek
04-27-2006, 09:07 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Hahahahahahahahahha. ****, I almost choked on my drink.

Take your ball and go home, then.

tulexan
04-27-2006, 09:08 AM
Has Culpepper ever been to the NFC Championship? Because I don't think he has.

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2006, 09:11 AM
And it's nice to see that you sit on the judgment throne from on high, making sure you police motives. You're a pot stirrer, too, pal. No doubt about that.

If you mean by throne, my lazy boy, then yes you are right. Stirring pots and policing is the rap that they gave me. Moreover, I think you know my posts well enough where I am not a told you so type of guy on the back end, but have no problem sticking my neck out on the front end of issues.

GP
04-27-2006, 09:14 AM
If you mean by throne, my lazy boy, then yes you are right. Stirring pots and policing is the rap that they gave me. Moreover, I think you know my posts well enough where I am not a told you so type of guy on the back end, but have no problem sticking my neck out on the front end of issues.

Nice to know it's all "semantics" in Austinville.

As the song goes, "You say potato, I say potato...."

By the way, this just in: Texans will NOT draft Vince Young.

NinerPheen
04-27-2006, 09:18 AM
Good, you dont need him. I dont know what the rumors have been since i havent been on here for awhile, but on other sites i havent heard about vince young being one of your options for months now. The only dispute i hear is about Bush or Williams.

Carr is good, get him some blocking and stick with him.

Mr. White
04-27-2006, 09:19 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Seems like these people aren't Texans fans anyway....just whining UT/VY fans. People like these make me ashamed to be a UT fan.

B!tches.

Truth is the Texans had a chance to get some of these frontrunners on board and blew it. They'll stay Cowboy fans now.

And I really don't care. As long as the Austin affiliate quits pulling Texans games.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 09:19 AM
I would say we probably should have taken Vince. Good, that's all I wanted to know That said, we have been on this merrygoround since November and I still do not blame Carr for our team's problems nearly to the extent that you and others do, I'm not, and have not blamed the 2-14 season on Carr...... not totally. for some reason you guys can see avg QBs on amazingly talented teams....Culpepper/Vince. but have a problem seeing an avg QB on a poor team. Or, you are fine with an avg QB, where some of us aren't. At his very best, I think David Carr can be the next Drew Bledsoe.... If I had Bledsoe on this team, I would still draft Vince given the opportunity. If I had Peyton, or Eli, Leftwich, Culpepper, Jake Delhomme, or Rothlisberger, I wouldn't.
and for the record, I still believe Carr will do very well under Kubiak. For that matter I think VY will do well -- take a few knocks early, sure -- but do well in this league, I just did not think he was worth drafting to replace Carr when we had other more pressing needs.
It's a wait and see kind of deal from here on out.

If we take Mario, I'm with you....... if D'Brick was a serious consideration, I'm there......... But if we take a running back, which I believe, is less of a need than QB..... that blows that whole argument out of the water. IMHO

NinerPheen
04-27-2006, 09:20 AM
Has Culpepper ever been to the NFC Championship? Because I don't think he has.

Yeah, everyone thought they were gonna crush the Falcons but it just didnt happen. Damn i hate them Falcons.

Frills
04-27-2006, 09:22 AM
I wonder how much of the anti Vince sentiment is due to the frustration of UT fans hyping him 24/7 versus his actual ability?

Mr. White
04-27-2006, 09:25 AM
Funny thing about hype is it's a 24 hour/ 7 day a week machine when they're hyping the guy you don't like.

Errant Hothy
04-27-2006, 09:36 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Too funny!

And people wonder why Horn's fans get a bad rap sometimes. Was kinda surprised to NOT see DJ's name brought up.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 09:39 AM
That would depend on how well Bush or Williams performed for the team. If they were perennial pro bowl/all-pro players I would still think it was the best for the team. If a team has the right supporting players and the right system to support their QB even a non-"once in a lifetime" player can be great. Joe Montana and Tom Brady didn't exactly blow up the draft boards, but they fell into the right situations. This can happen at RB just as well, but right now I still feel Williams is the pick if the team wants to win Super Bowls. You win championships with Defense. You put casual fans in the seats with superstars, but you put real fans there for a longer time with a championship caliber team.

So you think if Bush/Williams are perennial pro bowl/all-pro players, Carr would play bad enough to be competing for the starting job on his 3rd NFL team six/seven years from now??

Trust me, if Reggie/Mario can keep us in games, David can continue to develop as slowly as he wants... nobody cares, as long as we're winning.... I take that back, we don't even need to be winning.

But, the question asks if David is on his third team, I don't believe that David could play that bad, it's just a hypothetical, to get your response.

I wonder how much of the anti Vince sentiment is due to the frustration of UT fans hyping him 24/7 versus his actual ability?

I woke up this morning, feeling it was time I stopped playing these silly games. Bush/Mario..... CC said it.. he even told us where to lay the blame, if we didn't like the pick.... he more or less told us were we could stick it.
So, I'm praticing my cheers, my chants......... Reggieee, Reggieee..... started contemplating buying an undersized #5 Jersey.... I sat down with my coffee, opened the Chronicle.......

and bam.... It's back on.......

HomeBred_Texan
04-27-2006, 09:53 AM
I just don't get it. Sure Vince is from Houston and all, but he is NOT the best player for us. To me, and this is just my opinion, he is another Andre Ware. Bush can score TD's and that is what we need NOW. Super Mario, at best, could only get 1 sack a game. That is not a need, but I think signability is the key issue.

If we take Williams, and he may be a smoke screen for New Orleans trade, then New Orleans will definately trade out of the 2nd pick. Anyone agree?:twocents:

kastofsna
04-27-2006, 09:57 AM
Has Culpepper ever been to the NFC Championship? Because I don't think he has.
yeah, against the giants in 2000.

Frills
04-27-2006, 10:12 AM
The UT fans are hilarious over there.

The day a GM or organization lets the fans decide the draft is the day they should be fired.

ThaShark316
04-27-2006, 10:17 AM
yeah, against the giants in 2000.

Breaking news....the Giants have scored...again.

LMAO @ the Vikings that day.

DRAMA
04-27-2006, 10:20 AM
Santa Claus is a myth, my friends.

WHAT??? :crying:

I just had a 8 year old flashback!!

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 10:38 AM
I just don't get it. Sure Vince is from Houston and all, but he is NOT the best player for us. To me, and this is just my opinion, he is another Andre Ware. Bush can score TD's and that is what we need NOW. Super Mario, at best, could only get 1 sack a game. That is not a need, but I think signability is the key issue.

If we take Williams, and he may be a smoke screen for New Orleans trade, then New Orleans will definately trade out of the 2nd pick. Anyone agree?:twocents:

It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.

Maddict5
04-27-2006, 10:47 AM
Oh the Humanity!!!!!
http://forums.hornfans.com/php/wwwthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=football&Number=4165793&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1&vc=1

its pitiful how clueless (most of) those people are. 'they can trade carr'- you'd never think there wasnt a salary cap in college football. they also think every nfl defence will be like usc's.

seriously ive new found respect for VY-to-the-texans fans on this board. their posts are moderate and they accept reality unlike those horns fans.

they nearly all said they were never really texans fans anyway so i say good riddance

Ibar_Harry
04-27-2006, 10:50 AM
It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.

May be that's why! I still think the 2nd try out was for a reason and it was conducted by Kubiak on an add-lib basis and not orchastrated by his tuitor. I still think there is something that was spoted that they don't like and Kubiak wanted to verify it. He's always talking about looking at film and verifying.

However, the most obvious answer is that it would take at least a year or two or VY to have an impact. NFL.COM had a feature on Elway and he didn't even have an impact in his 1st year. VY is good, but he's no Elway.

I think the Texans have concluded they need to win now to save their investment. That's why Bush or Mario are the top choices. Mario is the best from a best needs point of view at the present time, but Bush is the BPA at this point in time. If Bush is contract friendly, then he will be the pick.

Maddict5
04-27-2006, 10:51 AM
It's obvious I wouldn't make much money as a football scout. I don't know why Vince isn't rated as highly as Bush..... when Michael Vick was rated higher than McNabb & Culpepper. and Brees..... Makes me think there is some politicking going on. but IMHO, Vince Young is to quarterbacks, what Reggie Bush is to running backs...... & to say we need a runningback more than we need a quarterback in my mind is ludicrous(sp)

I understand the Texans have made moves since FA, that says they will not be looking at a QB in this draft at all........ I understand the Texans will not draft Vince Young, and I understand Vince will not be playing as a Houston Texan.....

But I don't understand how a QB coach who's played behind Elway, & coached Elway...... coached Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Maurice Clarette, and Ron Dayne, would chose Reggie Bush over Vince Young.

kubiak,being a qb coach, sees carr is a very good qb that doesnt need upgrading,reggie is a ready to go impact player. VY will take season/s to be nfl ready. DD is good but hes injury prone and bush and DD can play on the field at the same time- unlike caar and VY

real
04-27-2006, 10:52 AM
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...

Frills
04-27-2006, 10:53 AM
For thos who think Carr can't play, answer this.

Where is Pendry coaching this year?

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 10:56 AM
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...

the only disappointment I will have with Reggie Bush, is that all the "Bush Bowl" fans will be appeased.

Huge
04-27-2006, 11:33 AM
sadly for you he'll get drafted at 11.
11th wouldn't be too bad. He'd have some targets to throw to in St. Louis.

bckey
04-27-2006, 12:53 PM
For thos who think Carr can't play, answer this.

Where is Pendry coaching this year?


I think you would have to ask that question with a different name inserted. Chris Palmer and he is now with the Cowboys. Pendry was promoted to offensive cordinator the 3rd game of the season. Even though I don't think Pendry was worth beans did anyone really expect him to be able to install a new offense and make big changes after the season already started? So I think there are still big question marks over Carr until he proves otherwise. This season will be the make or break season for him.

Hervoyel
04-27-2006, 12:55 PM
I wanted Young, but I don't understand how you can be dissapointed with Bush, because if vince would have stayed and came out next yr. most of the "I'd kill for VY" guys would be out making custom made reggie bush jerseys right now...

That is so entirely true. The moment that game ended (Rose Bowl) my first thought was that I hope Young doesn't come out now. I don't think the guy is going to be a failure or a bust or anything like that. I just think that I wanted to see what Carr did in Kubiak's system.

We just spent a #1 on a QB in 2002 and for the last four years we've seen him try to run Dom Capers version of the "Fisher-Price My First Offense". Throwing him out before we can see him in an alternate system would be stupid IMO.

I was really hoping that we could get a year with Reggie Bush and to evaluate David Carr, then if Vince Young repeated his 2005 performance and David Carr demonstrated clearly that something was wrong we could have targeted Young in the 2007 draft. He had to go get all impatient though and leave school early which screwed the whole scenario (in my mind) up.

Hervoyel
04-27-2006, 12:59 PM
I think you would have to ask that question with a different name inserted. Chris Palmer and he is now with the Cowboys. Pendry was promoted to offensive cordinator the 3rd game of the season. Even though I don't think Pendry was worth beans did anyone really expect him to be able to install a new offense and make big changes after the season already started? So I think there are still big question marks over Carr until he proves otherwise. This season will be the make or break season for him.

I think you're still on the wrong name. I think the question you want to ask is "Which teams offense is Dom Capers "guiding" with his philosophy this season?"

The answer is of course nobody's offense because he's back on the defensive side of the ball where he belongs and where the offense is safely out of his reach.

Palmer has always been a quality offensive mind who got results and that only stopped when he became Dom's offensive coordinator and was forced to reign in what he wanted to do in order to fit into what Capers wanted. Palmer getting the axe in week 3 was the worst move the Texans made all season. Capers should have taken the hit and Palmer should have been elevated to HC. Then we might have seen some results from the offense.

In hindsight it was tough to watch but I'm glad we're heading in the direction we are currently.

Texans Horror
04-27-2006, 01:06 PM
I just hope Young doesn't go to Tennessee. Let him go to the Raiders, or better yet, an NFC team. I don't want us to have to play him twice a year...

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 01:34 PM
That is so entirely true. The moment that game ended (Rose Bowl) my first thought was that I hope Young doesn't come out now. I don't think the guy is going to be a failure or a bust or anything like that. I just think that I wanted to see what Carr did in Kubiak's system.


OK, so I'm putting you down as someone who thinks Vince is worthy of the #1.... just not this year........ not that he's less talented, but because you like another player........ or another two players...... that's cool, that's fine..

I have no problem with people like you.