PDA

View Full Version : Bush deal updates


dhaNim
04-25-2006, 12:00 PM
as per a part of an ESPN Insider article by Todd Mcshay of Scouts Inc. titled "McShay's 'True' Buzz: Texans not so torn"

Bush remains Texans' preferred choice

Just so everyone is clear; the investigation of alleged illegal benefits provided to former USC running back Reggie Bush and his family is a prevalent college football story, but it will have no bearing on Bush's draft stock.

If Bush is not the first overall player selected in Saturday's draft, it will have everything to do with a failed negotiation between his agent, Joel Segal, and the Texans' front office. After all, what does Texans general manager Charley Casserly care if Bush and his family were living rent-free for the past 12 months?

The Texans continue to play leverage games by keeping contract talks open with NC State defensive end Mario Williams, but Bush is the player the Texans have targeted and continue to target with the top choice. According to what we're hearing, Bush could have a deal done with the Texans by Friday afternoon.

dhaNim
04-25-2006, 12:03 PM
Dan Pompeo of Sporting News was just on Cold Pizza and said that the Texans and Bush started serious negotiations yesterday and look to get a deal done by fri. he also said that mario williams was considered but Bush was pretty much their man all along. he said looks like the Texans are gonna get their man.

Big B Texan Fan
04-25-2006, 12:20 PM
So much for Bush holding out of camp. What ever $$ he misses out on because of his parents he should deduct that from the value of the house he intended on getting the in the first place. My guess though is that it'll still be a very nice house.

El Tejano
04-25-2006, 12:25 PM
This is good news. I would like to be able to buy my Reggie Bush Jersey ahead of time and focus on what we get with our 2nd rounder and the chance of getting Dave Thomas.

Porky
04-25-2006, 12:26 PM
Well, let's hope this is true. Either way, even if they don't have a deal in place, I say take him. We have 3-4 months before we have to sign him. :yahoo:

jerek
04-25-2006, 12:27 PM
as per a part of an ESPN Insider article by Todd Mcshay of Scouts Inc. titled "McShay's 'True' Buzz: Texans not so torn"

I have to discount the article because McShay insists that Mario Williams is a "leverage game." Defensive staff is going to war for drafting Williams and obviously the offensive staff wants Bush, and Kubiak and Casserly are caught in between and will probably end up making the ultimate call. If Williams can significantly underbid Bush or if other unexpected problems arise with either player, that is going to make a difference at this point.

Not saying that we won't draft Bush -- because at the end of the day I still think we will -- but it's hardly a done deal, even aside from the negotiations aspect.

kbourda
04-25-2006, 12:36 PM
I have to discount the article because McShay insists that Mario Williams is a "leverage game." Defensive staff is going to war for drafting Williams and obviously the offensive staff wants Bush, and Kubiak and Casserly are caught in between and will probably end up making the ultimate call. If Williams can significantly underbid Bush or if other unexpected problems arise with either player, that is going to make a difference at this point.

Not saying that we won't draft Bush -- because at the end of the day I still think we will -- but it's hardly a done deal, even aside from the negotiations aspect.

I never thought i'd see the day but I agree with you. I don't think Bush will be that easy to sign but I do see the Texans drafting him.

O.G.
04-25-2006, 12:36 PM
This is good news. I would like to be able to buy my Reggie Bush Jersey ahead of time and focus on what we get with our 2nd rounder and the chance of getting Dave Thomas.

Where do you project Dave at? I saw 2nd pick in the 3rd

O.G.
04-25-2006, 12:38 PM
Well, let's hope this is true. Either way, even if they don't have a deal in place, I say take him. We have 3-4 months before we have to sign him. :yahoo:

I agree. Rich on Sports Radio 610 makes seems like the end of the world if they don't have a deal done before the draft when only 3 number ones have been signed before the draft. He really needs to take break.

infantrycak
04-25-2006, 12:43 PM
I agree. Rich on Sports Radio 610 makes seems like the end of the world if they don't have a deal done before the draft when only 3 number ones have been signed before the draft. He really needs to take break.

He has an agenda and interest in Reggie Bush isn't part of it.

Dr. Toro
04-25-2006, 01:02 PM
I have to discount the article because McShay insists that Mario Williams is a "leverage game." Defensive staff is going to war for drafting Williams and obviously the offensive staff wants Bush, and Kubiak and Casserly are caught in between and will probably end up making the ultimate call. If Williams can significantly underbid Bush or if other unexpected problems arise with either player, that is going to make a difference at this point.

Not saying that we won't draft Bush -- because at the end of the day I still think we will -- but it's hardly a done deal, even aside from the negotiations aspect.

As far as player evaluations go, I read they were supposed to be settling the top of the draftboard yesterday... don't remember where I read it.

GP
04-25-2006, 01:33 PM
This is good news. I would like to be able to buy my Reggie Bush Jersey ahead of time and focus on what we get with our 2nd rounder and the chance of getting Dave Thomas.

Yeah, I was shocked to see a few position rankers not having Thomas even in the top 3 or 4 TEs.

He was a force in the title game. Practically kept the chains moving all night in very critical situations. I think he'll be available, but I bet we pas him up...........as usual. :brickwall

Sportsfan
04-25-2006, 01:54 PM
A deal will get done, i'm not worried.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2006, 01:56 PM
He has an agenda and interest in Reggie Bush isn't part of it.

Who? Rich Lord? Never!!!!!!!!!! He maybe the worst man on radio, atleast for the last three months are so.

Mike Kerns
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
:yahoo: Dan Pompeo of Sporting News was just on Cold Pizza and said that the Texans and Bush started serious negotiations yesterday and look to get a deal done by fri. he also said that mario williams was considered but Bush was pretty much their man all along. he said looks like the Texans are gonna get their man.

kastofsna
04-25-2006, 02:26 PM
Yeah, I was shocked to see a few position rankers not having Thomas even in the top 3 or 4 TEs.

He was a force in the title game. Practically kept the chains moving all night in very critical situations. I think he'll be available, but I bet we pas him up...........as usual. :brickwall
he's got good hands, but...that's about it. most people have him ranked out of the top 5 for TE's. i think he'll be decent. definitely a later round steal.

kiwitexansfan
04-25-2006, 04:48 PM
Well, let's hope this is true. Either way, even if they don't have a deal in place, I say take him. We have 3-4 months before we have to sign him. :yahoo:

I hope you are joking, if he holds onto his original contract demands it would be insane to sign him.:brickwall

Harrisment
04-25-2006, 05:23 PM
I hope you are joking, if he holds onto his original contract demands it would be insane to sign him.:brickwall

You mean the "original" contract demands that were verified to be false by both Bush and his agent? Yes, I agree they would be insane to sign him to contract demands that he never asked for.

Bongo59
04-26-2006, 11:07 AM
i got word Reggie's agents have asked him to come to Houston because it appears the deal is close to done...............5 yrs at 24.6 in guarranteed cash............they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done.............and they are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.................looks like you guys truly now own the best RB in the AFC South.....................Mario and Bricks agents have leaked this because now Loomis is on the clock.............many are looking to see what happpens now with slot two.............................congrats.

gwallaia
04-26-2006, 11:13 AM
I wonder if Matress Mac is still going to go through with his little ad?

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 11:14 AM
I wonder if Matress Mac is still going to go through with his little ad?

I'm sure he will. Dude is border line nuts and I'm willing to bet that he even thinks his ad may sway the FO even.

Texans34Life
04-26-2006, 11:19 AM
Good to hear. Now we can focus on the 2nd Round, 3rd Round, etc.

Caphorn
04-26-2006, 11:21 AM
Yeah, I was shocked to see a few position rankers not having Thomas even in the top 3 or 4 TEs.

He was a force in the title game. Practically kept the chains moving all night in very critical situations. I think he'll be available, but I bet we pas him up...........as usual. :brickwall

He's a great player and potential steal, but be honest here. He's not undersized but he's also not phyically so gifted as to be a top 3 specimen. On most board's I've seen, he's not as fast as No. 1, smaller than No. 2, and has blocked less than No. 3. Klopfenstein was a very consistent performer (with a woeful offense to work in and a horrible QB) and I think many have dropped him below Thomas. I think ultimately David may prove better in value than all 3 due to intangibles. But I have to admit my bias here and also admit he's kind of come out of nowhere as a result of his work with Vince. This guy was a nobody a year ago (from a draftability perspective). Did Vince make him a hero or is he really that great? Time will tell.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:56 AM
I'm sure he will. Dude is border line nuts and I'm willing to bet that he even thinks his ad may sway the FO even.
He really does. He thinks he has McNair shaking in his boots.

whiskeyrbl
04-26-2006, 12:05 PM
i got word Reggie's agents have asked him to come to Houston because it appears the deal is close to done...............5 yrs at 24.6 in guarranteed cash............they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done.............and they are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.................looks like you guys truly now own the best RB in the AFC South.....................Mario and Bricks agents have leaked this because now Loomis is on the clock.............many are looking to see what happpens now with slot two.............................congrats.

OK is there any reason to believe this or not to believe this? Anyone....Anyone

shinerbock_girl
04-26-2006, 12:11 PM
OK is there any reason to believe this or not to believe this? Anyone....Anyone

Ask Mel if he heard this...He's on live chat at this very moment answering questions...heres the website http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=11511

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 12:13 PM
Ask Mel if he heard this...He's on live chat at this very moment answering questions...heres the website http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=11511

Done, hope he answers.

shinerbock_girl
04-26-2006, 12:14 PM
Done, hope he answers.

I was just tying a question also, but since you asked already i'll wait and see if he answers you first.

El Tejano
04-26-2006, 12:15 PM
Where do you project Dave at? I saw 2nd pick in the 3rd
I think that or at least the 4th. But I don't want to change the topic of the thread.

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 12:15 PM
I was just tying a question also, but since you asked already i'll wait and see if he answers you first.

No ask also, I'm beging to think the best method on these ESPN chats is to carpet bomb your question.

So please go ahead and ask, we'll have a better chance of getting answer that way.

whiskeyrbl
04-26-2006, 12:17 PM
Just sent in the question waiting to see if I get a reply

shinerbock_girl
04-26-2006, 12:20 PM
No ask also, I'm beging to think the best method on these ESPN chats is to carpet bomb your question.

So please go ahead and ask, we'll have a better chance of getting answer that way.


Ok done, hopefully he'll answer one of us.

Bongo59
04-26-2006, 12:25 PM
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.

Hervoyel
04-26-2006, 12:25 PM
I'm sure he will. Dude is border line nuts and I'm willing to bet that he even thinks his ad may sway the FO even.

Indeed. Mac is a generous man and he's done a lot of good things with his money and quasi-fame but nobody should forget how many absolutely stupid things he's done along the way.

I always have a hard time with Mattress Mac because on the one hand he donates to charities and he seems to mean well in most everything he does. On the other hand at times he demonstrates an inflated ego and I personally blame him for decades of terrible TV and radio commercials that have hammered "I-45 NORTH BETWEEN TIDWELL AND PARKER" and "654-5570" into my brain causing who knows how much damage.

And you know Mac led to this new goon with his "THAT'S A FACT JACK!!" commercials.

I need a "delete" button to my brain.

threetoedpete
04-26-2006, 12:28 PM
Yeah, I was shocked to see a few position rankers not having Thomas even in the top 3 or 4 TEs.

He was a force in the title game. Practically kept the chains moving all night in very critical situations. I think he'll be available, but I bet we pas him up...........as usual. :brickwall

Thomas is a very tallented TE in a loaded feild this year. Every one has their favorites. I like Klopenstien and Fansio they have the chanxce to be better blockers. One of the frustrating things about CC is he won't target a postion. You have a draft deep in TE's, DB's and OL you make sure you come away with two of the three in the first day. Fill in the rest on day two. Since it looks like we'll be taking prince Reggie, shortens the odds a bit. Most have the run on TE's DB's begining round two. We're going to need DE's also. Shortens the odds even more. Thomas may slide into the fourth, but with Reggie on the team, when you gonna get the H-back TE on the feild ? He has great hands, but you're drafting an H-back. Probably get to see him twice a year with Tennesse. At least it won't be with a pick from the Babin deal.

outofhnd
04-26-2006, 12:29 PM
Im willing to lean to this is false.

Here is why. Its 4 days before the draft. Everything you hear about contracts and signings is not gonna be true until the texans announce officially they have signed someone. Right now every team in the league is playing this game. This is all cloak and dagger from here on out.

threetoedpete
04-26-2006, 12:31 PM
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.


Nice post.

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 12:40 PM
Mel is done...no answer to the question.

Tulip
04-26-2006, 12:40 PM
Ernest Givens mention by Kiper. :cool:

Htown34s
04-26-2006, 12:40 PM
Good Lord, let us sign RB! I want VY over Bush, but Mario is sooooo much of a reach. Casserly is on Rome right now and he says Mario or Bush are the only options we are considering. Mario is very over rated IMO.

texasguy346
04-26-2006, 12:41 PM
On the other hand at times he demonstrates an inflated ego and I personally blame him for decades of terrible TV and radio commercials that have hammered "I-45 NORTH BETWEEN TIDWELL AND PARKER" and "654-5570" into my brain causing who knows how much damage.

And you know Mac led to this new goon with his "THAT'S A FACT JACK!!" commercials.

I need a "delete" button to my brain.

Yeah Mac & Hilton are definately pretty looney, but I recall them both receiving national attention, of sorts, for their ads. That's if you consider the Conan O'Brien show national attention.

He had been doing a bit on how Houston was the only market where his show wasn't shown right after Leno. He somehow got ahold of some ads from Hilton and Mac. The Mac commercial was the standard "We'll save you money!!!!!" and the Hilton commercial was all about cutting prices and featured Hilton using a chainsaw on a bed post. He then put it to a vote to see which personality he would invite on his show, and of course the audience chose the guy with the chainsaw. Afterall, nothing says nuts like a guy wielding a chainsaw & attacking helpless furniture. I'm pretty sure he followed threw and invited Hilton on the show, but I don't recall if he accepted the invite or not. Either way they're both first class head cases.

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 12:42 PM
Ernest Givens mention by Kiper. :cool:

And a typo to boot. Both made me giggle.

whiskeyrbl
04-26-2006, 12:45 PM
No reply and it's over till next Wed. and we will all know by then.

Tulip
04-26-2006, 12:49 PM
Kiper isn't exactly a scoopster. He's a draft expert who evaluates the players and team needs.

Porky
04-26-2006, 12:52 PM
Good Lord, let us sign RB! I want VY over Bush, but Mario is sooooo much of a reach. Casserly is on Rome right now and he says Mario or Bush are the only options we are considering. Mario is very over rated IMO.

Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503)

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".

kingh99
04-26-2006, 12:55 PM
Casserly is on the Dan Patrick show and says Williams and Bush still in play. Both are unique players, rare talents. He's certainly making noise like there's no deal.

Porky
04-26-2006, 12:56 PM
As far as the Bush deal being nearly done, I consider the source. I don't think I will go around to my work mates telling everyone Bush is a done deal because Bongo said so. I will probably be fired if I did that. :ok:

Runner
04-26-2006, 01:06 PM
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503)

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".

How? Some people have a three point scale:

3 - Hall of Famer
2 - Mediocre
1 - Bust

Htown34s
04-26-2006, 01:06 PM
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.

Just IMO. Of course there are many who love what he could be capable of, but I just don't think he should be the first pick overall with such a great class. He's still in the top 10.

Tulip
04-26-2006, 01:08 PM
How? Some people have a three point scale:

3 - Hall of Famer
2 - Mediocre
1 - Bust

Good point, lol. If you go by PFW's draft guide, Vince Young and Mario Williams are tied (#2 and #3 respectively) at 1/2 point behind Reggie Bush. The overall scale is somewhat important.

Texans34Life
04-26-2006, 01:44 PM
With that supposed signing of Bush to 5 yr/24.5 mil, does that mean the end of DD?

hollywood_texan
04-26-2006, 01:49 PM
The 24.5 million is only the guaranteed side. Expect his total contract to be around $50 million or so. Probably less because of the new CBA contract requirements due to length of contracts, so he should make the same amount per year, just a shorter term.

Harrisment
04-26-2006, 01:57 PM
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.

Why is Mario coming to Houston tonight if he knows that Bush is nearly a done deal? :confused:

killeentexan
04-26-2006, 02:02 PM
i got word Reggie's agents have asked him to come to Houston because it appears the deal is close to done...............5 yrs at 24.6 in guarranteed cash............they still have to get incentive money and the voidable yrs done.............and they are going to add option clauses to extend the deal when they CBA allows it.................looks like you guys truly now own the best RB in the AFC South.....................Mario and Bricks agents have leaked this because now Loomis is on the clock.............many are looking to see what happpens now with slot two.............................congrats.
This has to be the best indicator that we are actually taking Williams.......

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 02:03 PM
This has to be the best indicator that we are actually taking Williams.......
When I hear it from a, let's say, more "accomplished" source, then I will believe it.

The Dude Abides
04-26-2006, 02:06 PM
The 24.5 million is only the guaranteed side. Expect his total contract to be around $50 million or so. Probably less because of the new CBA contract requirements due to length of contracts, so he should make the same amount per year, just a shorter term.


NO. 1 PICK CAN GET AT LEAST $27.64125 MILLION GUARANTEED
Okay, so maybe we weren't wrong after all.
On Tuesday morning, we took issue with a suggestion by John McClain of the Houston Chronicle that it would be impossible for the top pick in 2006 to get as much as $22 million in guaranteed money, even though the first overall pick in 2005 received $24 million in guaranteed cash.
On Tuesday night, we acknowledged that we were wrong and that McClain was right. (Tastes like chicken.)
But now that we've cleared up our remaining area of confusion regarding the manner in which the 25 percent rule applies to rookie deals, we'll acknowledge only that McClain was on the right track, but that his attempt to explain the situation was woefully incomplete.
Per a league source with experience negotiating the contracts of high first-round picks, the maximum guaranteed money of $21.2625 million to the first pick is premised upon the receipt of an option bonus that extends an initial five-year deal to a six-year package. If the player is willing to forgo an option bonus and thus sign a straight six-year deal, the maximum amount of guaranteed money that can be paid shoots to $27.64125 million.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Take it for what it's worth as it's PFT

Mr. White
04-26-2006, 02:10 PM
My head is spinning after reading this thread. Must've been merged.

killeentexan
04-26-2006, 02:10 PM
CC has told the national media it is Bush vs MWilliams.............both are in Houston by tonight.................he has them rated exactly the same.............he said it..................not me...............he said the deal is all about signability...............Mario is going to be easier to sign............but RBush wants to go at one and his side has caved a bit to get the deal structured under the new CBA...........................i am told RBush will not take a chance on falling...............that is why he is personally coming to houston today..............and the deal will get done................Mario's people know it as well.................................you can hold me to that info.
Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 02:11 PM
Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?
DOnt forget about Domanick Davis for "DRob"

Mr. White
04-26-2006, 02:14 PM
Call me crazy, but I'll cut Bongo a break. Seems that by nature, trade talks change on a dime.

Htown34s
04-26-2006, 03:35 PM
Hey - how's that 3 team trade working out? You supposedly could be held to that info also? Who was it....New Orleans, the Jets and Oakland? That should go through any day now, right?

I've read a lot of what Bongo has posted (here and elsewhere). He has good info as far as I can tell.

El Tejano
04-26-2006, 03:37 PM
Especially since Casserly was already on Rome and said it is between Reggie and Mario.

tiger06
04-26-2006, 04:29 PM
If we drafted Bush or Mario, would they get about the same amount of money, regardless of position, because they were drafted #1?

PapaL
04-26-2006, 04:36 PM
If we drafted Bush or Mario, would they get about the same amount of money, regardless of position, because they were drafted #1?

Ball park, yes.

4Texans
04-26-2006, 07:03 PM
NFL net work just said that the Texans should have a contract worked out with Bush by Thursday.

Texans_Chick
04-26-2006, 07:21 PM
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503)

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".


On Casserly's presser on the Texans website, he says that he rated Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, and as a prospect he ranked Williams higher than Peppers. Strong statement. If he really believes that, well then, it certainly should give him a bit of pause.

dhaNim
04-26-2006, 07:35 PM
NFL net work just said that the Texans should have a contract worked out with Bush by Thursday.

here it is reported by KFFL:

Texans | R. Bush contract expected to come tomorrow
Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:55:36 -0700

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports USC RB Reggie Bush is expected to receive a contract exceeding six years and $49 million.

Bongo59
04-26-2006, 07:39 PM
there is your link...................

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 07:57 PM
here it is reported by KFFL:

BOO-YAHHH!!!!:yahoo:

pskinny
04-26-2006, 07:57 PM
Just some more confirmation on what is already being talked about here......


Reggie Bush - RB - CLG - Apr. 26 - 8:03 pm et
NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports the Texans will draft Reggie Bush with the first overall pick in the NFL Draft.
After a "breakthrough" in negotiations Tuesday night, the two sides are close to a deal. Shefter reports Bush could agree as early as Thursday to a deal paying Bush 10% more than Alex Smith's total deal last season. Apr. 26 - 8:03 pm et

awtysst
04-26-2006, 08:22 PM
What is the normal raise for the number one pick for year to year? Is it usually about 10%, more, or less?

kastofsna
04-26-2006, 09:50 PM
What is the normal raise for the number one pick for year to year? Is it usually about 10%, more, or less?
yeah that's what adam schefter reported the increase would be.

Texans34Life
04-26-2006, 09:52 PM
6 years, $49 million?!?!

Isn't that a little too much?

What's going to happen to Domanick Davis?

dhaNim
04-26-2006, 09:58 PM
6 years, $49 million?!?!

Isn't that a little too much?

What's going to happen to Domanick Davis?

well its not bad considering Alex Smith got 6 yr, $49.5 mil.
so its actually less than last years number one pick. his signing bonus might have the 10% raise. Smith got $24 mil last year, so which would put Bush's at about $26.5 mil. in this case i dont really think signing bonus amount is really a big deal because unless he is a COMPLETE bust or a career ending injury due to stupidity Bush will probably see the whole contract.l

D. Davis is not going anywhere, atleast for this year. we'll have to see how things work out after that.

jerek
04-26-2006, 10:58 PM
On Casserly's presser on the Texans website, he says that he rated Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, and as a prospect he ranked Williams higher than Peppers. Strong statement. If he really believes that, well then, it certainly should give him a bit of pause.

Williams' measurables are all superior to Peppers', and I believe he put up superior Combine numbers as well. I don't have access to the report (unfortunately yes, no source, sue me) but you'd better believe he has our defensive guys pulling for him.

TEXANS84
04-26-2006, 11:01 PM
Call me crazy, but I'll cut Bongo a break. Seems that by nature, trade talks change on a dime.

I know bongo's background. Listen to him. He may not be 100% right all the time...but he does have sourceful information.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:03 PM
Bongo, are you Adam Scheffler? :spy:

TEXANS84
04-26-2006, 11:04 PM
there is your link...................

Tad bit off topic...if your information is true...is #2 solid or trade down bait?

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:15 PM
Wow. Really? How is Mario over-rated? One scout asked by Espn has Bush rated one point below perfect, and Mario is rated one point below that. I will find the quote.


Edit: here is the quote from ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=2419503)

"a college scouting director whom I swear by told me that Bush is the best player he's ever evaluated, that Bush received a rating one point below perfect on his scale, while Williams graded out one point behind Bush".

I promise you, if not for this whole RB/VY Bowl and all of the hype these two of generated, you would have heard the name Mario Williams a lot more prior to this week. He would he hands-down the consensus #1 pick in the upcoming draft. He's every bit the "once-in-a-generation" athlete that Bush is and will be a game-changer on D. He's the real deal and he certainly is not as flashy or well known as either Bush or Young, but don't anyone here call the guy overrated. Barring injury he will put up Jevon Kearse-esque rookie numbers, back when Kearse broke the rookie sack record with 15.

And I have officially changed my vote from Bush to Williams as who the Texans will draft. Everything Casserly said today points to it. The more I replay it in my mind the more convinced I am. Will be an exciting wrap up to the week, for sure.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:18 PM
Jerek, Mario doesn't want to play for us. He wants to play for the Saints. Kind of ironic that we had this fear that Reggie wouldn't be signable & it has turned out to be Williams.:ok:

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:19 PM
Jerek, Mario doesn't want to play for us. He wants to play for the Saints. Kind of ironic that we had this fear that Reggie wouldn't be signable & it has turned out to be Williams.:ok:

Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535. Watch Chuck talk about Williams and tell me that he isn't leaning toward him. He practically screams it.

Kaiser Toro
04-26-2006, 11:21 PM
I really hope that Ferens has a voice at the table this week on what the forecast spend will look like over the next three years.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:24 PM
Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.

Not some guy in the paper. Adam Scheffler. Who works for the NFL. Pretty solid. Come on man, join the dark side:cool:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9399253

But the other notable deal soon will be coming out of Houston. The Texans are on the verge of doing what so many college defenses could not -- bringing down running back Reggie Bush.

With significant progress having been made in negotiations for a new contract between Bush and the Texans, multiple sources believe a contract could be done well before Saturday's draft, maybe as early as Thursday.

Bush is expected to receive somewhere around a 10 percent increase over what the San Francisco 49ers gave last year's No. 1 overall pick, quarterback Alex Smith, who landed a six-year, $49.5 million deal.

The breakthrough in the talks is said to have come Tuesday night, during long negotiating sessions between the Texans and Bush's representatives. The Texans played the situation just right, using defensive end Mario Williams as leverage against Bush.

Plus, with the looming House-Gate controversy, Bush's people knew that if he didn't go No. 1, he likely would have slid to No. 4, the spot the New York Jets currently hold. Dropping from No. 1 to No. 4 would have cost Bush millions.

One of the ironies of the whole negotiation is that Bush has turned out to be easier to sign than Mario Williams, who expressed utter indifference at the idea of becoming the No. 1 overall pick. In fact, the idea of going to New Orleans is said to have excited Williams more than the idea of going to Houston.

Williams is enamored with the New Orleans coaching staff, wants to play in the city, and was hoping he would land there. It's no cinch he does. It's still possible that the Saints could opt for Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, who is expected to go in the top four picks Saturday.

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:25 PM
I really hope that Ferens has a voice at the table this week on what the forecast spend will look like over the next three years.

I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:26 PM
I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.
If Cass kept his job, it doesn't surprise me that Ferens has...

TEXANS84
04-26-2006, 11:29 PM
I hope they lock Ferens in a dark room somewhere. This man has overpaid way too many people and I question how he is still employed.

Yes, but look at the Moulds situation. You really can't complain on that one. Hopefully that starts a spell of good signings to follow.

We should expect this type of money to be thrown around considering the new balloon on the CBA. Scary numbers at first...yes. But think that the cap was literally bumped up 7 million dollars this year and will continue to increase.

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:33 PM
Not some guy in the paper. Adam Scheffler. Who works for the NFL. Pretty solid. Come on man, join the dark side:cool:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9399253


Lol, man, believe me, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:36 PM
Yes, but look at the Moulds situation. You really can't complain on that one. Hopefully that starts a spell of good signings to follow.

We should expect this type of money to be thrown around considering the new balloon on the CBA. Scary numbers at first...yes. But think that the cap was literally bumped up 7 million dollars this year and will continue to increase.

No no, I wasn't complaing about Moulds. He was overpaid a little sure, but I like the guy and he is a well-proven veteran with a lot of lead left in the pencil. Of course he will command a certain premium and I think he was a worthwhile acquisition.

I was referring to guys like Todd Wade, Morlon Greenwood, Gary Walker ... most recent among too many others. And for the record yes, either Bush or Williams will command an exorbitant salary, and I'm not too worried about shelling out for either of them: it's just the nature of the game when you draft #1. I just think Ferens has proven his incompetence too many times and I don't understand why it doesn't appear to be questioned.

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:37 PM
Lol, man, believe me, I'm trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.
OK man, that is your choice.

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:41 PM
OK man, that is your choice.

Damn, I meant "not trying to rain" ... sorry if that came across the wrong way. You know I am great with either one, I just think the FO is practically broadcasting for MW right now.

keyfro
04-26-2006, 11:45 PM
another thing to keep in mind here is that reggie bush just signed a huge contract with adidas...i didn't hear what the numbers were on the contract but i do know that supposedly it was the highest endourcement deal for a football rookie ever...something like king james like contract...so money shouldn't be his biggest concern

Mike Kerns
04-26-2006, 11:46 PM
I figured that was what you meant. I mean, I know you aren't Frank The Tank or Thunderkyss, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I do agree that Casserly sounded like he was setting himself up to be the fall guy if MW doesnt work out. Especially since, if the rumors are true, he will be gone. If we come to agreements with both of them before the draft, then I will wonder. But if only Bush has agreed, I think it is a pretty safe bet.:twocents:

jerek
04-26-2006, 11:48 PM
I figured that was what you meant. I mean, I know you aren't Frank The Tank or Thunderkyss, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I do agree that Casserly sounded like he was setting himself up to be the fall guy if MW doesnt work out. Especially since, if the rumors are true, he will be gone. If we come to agreements with both of them before the draft, then I will wonder. But if only Bush has agreed, I think it is a pretty safe bet.:twocents:

For sure, Casserly pretty directly stated that signability was a key for the FO and if one signs and the other does not they will almost certainly go with whoever has signed. Personally I do not see either one holding out on us.

dhaNim
04-26-2006, 11:54 PM
Damn, I meant "not trying to rain" ... sorry if that came across the wrong way. You know I am great with either one, I just think the FO is practically broadcasting for MW right now.

actually the way news is coming out it seems like we were using williams as leverage, and would have drafted him only and only if bush was being unreasonable. look what the chronicle is going to say tomorrow.

For the first time since they exchanged opening proposals with Joel Segal, who represents Bush, progress has been made in negotiations, which could lead to a deal's being agreed on before the draft begins at 11 a.m. Saturday.


Ben Dogra, who represents Williams, has yet to enter negotiations. Williams' camp believes the Texans plan to select Bush.

exclude
04-27-2006, 01:08 AM
Lol, man, believe me, I'm not trying to rain on your parade. As I have stated many times, I would be very happy to have either Bush or Williams. Both are phenomenal players and will be a big addition to this team.

I'm just telling you that everything in Casserly's speech today indicated to me that he is trying to soften up the blow to the pro-Bush crowd and defend this "no-namer" guy that virtually no one is rooting for, that virtually no one expects, that they are about to choose. Watch the video and tell me you honestly believe that is a man who is about to choose Reggie Bush:

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535

He spends a good 40% of it talking about how great Mario is and the kicker, "if we choose Mario, don't boo him. Boo me." Watch his body language and his eyes when he talks about Mario. Now there is still time and a lot could happen either way, but my gut says we are going Mario Williams, barring any problems in signing the guy.

And so what if Adam whoever says that Mario doesn't want to be here, or that Bush is all but signed? People have been reporting things for weeks (e.g. Kubiak couldn't get enough of Vince, McNair was enamored, Reggie wanted 30M, Reggie cheats, Mario wants to go to NO -- btw, who honestly would choose to play in NO over here -- this and that, bla bla bla). And as I said, until Tags himself announces that we have drafted Reggie Bush, come this Saturday, I will not believe it.

Poker face, man, poker face. And their is a huge tell that proves to me that we're drafting Bush: he talks about the other person. This is strategy has been done by Texans management, they talk about a person that they don't ever intend on drafting. From that video link, its as obivous to me as it isn't to you that the Texans are picking Bush #1

Mike Kerns
04-27-2006, 01:36 AM
I emailed McClain about the contract stuff & he replied. Here it is:

John,
I heard on NFL Total Access that Adam Scheffler said the deal is pretty much done with Reggie. $24.6 guaranteed & $49.5 million over five years with a team option for the sixth year. He also stated that Mario Williams would rather play for New Orleans. Can you confirm nor deny any of this? Thanks for your time, as I know you are really busy this time of year.

PS, could you talk about the Texans a little more and the Titans a little less? Just some honest criticism. Thanks again.

He replied with:

Mike,

I talk about whatever people ask me. If they ask me about the Texans, which they almost always do because that's the team I cover, I try to answer. If they ask about the Titans, I try to answer. If Vince goes to the Titans, prepare for a lot of Titans talk.

As for Adam's report, it's true. Can't be 24.6 guaranteed this year, though. Max is less than 22.

Williams has never been involved in negotiations because his agent won't negotiate because it's a smokescreen.

Thanks for writing.

john

Don't think he liked my Titans comment, lol. So, form what he is saying, Bush is ready to sign, but for 22 guaranteed? I'll take it!

Janus3
04-27-2006, 01:45 AM
john mcclain is a douche, i can't stand his writing. it's like he's scared to speak his mind so he takes the easy route out.

shinerbock_girl
04-27-2006, 06:46 AM
Lol, says who? A guy in the paper? Come on now, don't gas out on me yet.

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=2535. Watch Chuck talk about Williams and tell me that he isn't leaning toward him. He practically screams it.


Actually this was from Williams diary on nfl.com stating he prefers New Orleans out of all the teams he's visited.

" Everything is still up in the air. The way the business is, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. No one team stands out above the rest as far as a feeling goes, but with the Saints I really liked (defensive line) coach Marion (Hobby). He's a good guy and I think I would fit well into their 4-3 scheme. The one that sticks out is San Francisco. They don't typically run a 4-3. It's a mix of 4-3 and 3-4. But the technique they would have me play would work well."
I thought it was interesting He never once mentioned the Texans in this article...:confused:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9393357

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2006, 08:12 AM
Actually this was from Williams diary on nfl.com stating he prefers New Orleans out of all the teams he's visited.

" Everything is still up in the air. The way the business is, I'm not exactly sure what's going on. No one team stands out above the rest as far as a feeling goes, but with the Saints I really liked (defensive line) coach Marion (Hobby). He's a good guy and I think I would fit well into their 4-3 scheme. The one that sticks out is San Francisco. They don't typically run a 4-3. It's a mix of 4-3 and 3-4. But the technique they would have me play would work well."
I thought it was interesting He never once mentioned the Texans in this article...:confused:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9393357

How could anyone deduce that he likes NO over being the #1 pick for the Texans from that article? The White House and their loyal followers, yes. Sane people, no.

shinerbock_girl
04-27-2006, 08:30 AM
How could anyone deduce that he likes NO over being the #1 pick for the Texans from that article? The White House and their loyal followers, yes. Sane people, no.

He also didn't even mention the Texans in that article....But he mentioned New Orleans...So how could you not think he prefers New Orleans over us???

Kaiser Toro
04-27-2006, 08:49 AM
He also didn't even mention the Texans in that article....But he mentioned New Orleans...So how could you not think he prefers New Orleans over us???

I stand corrected. The artcile clearly encapsulated the whole pre draft process for Williams and clearly states that he does not like Houston and prefers to be the #2 pick with the Saints. How foolish of me. :rolleyes:

To much conjecture or absolution given to a diary entry in my opinion.

jerek
04-27-2006, 08:56 AM
I stand corrected. The artcile clearly encapsulated the whole pre draft process for Williams and clearly states that he does not like Houston and prefers to be the #2 pick with the Saints. How foolish of me. :rolleyes:

To much conjecture or absolution given to a diary entry in my opinion.

Clearly :)

Look, this ain't gonna be settled soon enough for any of us, but I am still saying (1) It's Mario, and (2) if it's not, that's fine by me, I like both of em a hell of a lot.

tulexan
04-27-2006, 09:02 AM
The only relevant journal entry is:

Debit: Reggie Bush Contract $49,000,000
Credit: Cash $24,500,000
Credit: Salaries Payable ~$5,000,000

texan279
04-27-2006, 08:17 PM
from www.kffl.com

Texans | R. Bush or M. Williams still not decided
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:24:59 -0700

ESPN's Michael Smith reports the Houston Texans still have not decided who they will select with the first pick in the NFL Draft, North Carolina State DE Mario Williams or USC RB Reggie Bush. Negotiations with both players have not been fruitful. Smith says negotiations will pick up when the Texans decide which player they want to select.

outofhnd
04-27-2006, 08:20 PM
There wont be any clear signing until 24 hours from now... The texans do not want to field an hours worth of questions just before they go to war... so they will announce it at the last minute if they sign one tomorrow so they can annouce and get the heck outta there before the draft starts sat.