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04-25-2006, 12:25 PM
i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

Jagsbch
04-25-2006, 12:36 PM
Like it matters who you have back there without an offensive line.:rolleyes:

Hardcore Texan
04-25-2006, 12:52 PM
Never happen, too costly, plus we need those other picks to address other key areas, especially an O-lineman with #33.

El Tejano
04-25-2006, 01:13 PM
Never happen, too costly, plus we need those other picks to address other key areas, especially an O-lineman with #33.
I agree. It would be nice to trade up but we have needs and considering the drop off in talent after the first 15 picks or so it would be wise to stay in the second unless we can come up that high.

But if you are fantasizing well, it would be a good deal for us because even if Young is gone by #6, you can still pick up AJ Hawk or someone.

Oh by the way. Your Title to your post made me spill my drink at my desk because I thought you were saying they actually did this.

Big B Texan Fan
04-25-2006, 01:17 PM
As Rich Lord would say:

Keep Hope Alive!!!

texan279
04-25-2006, 01:27 PM
I can't wait until the draft is over and done with...

vtech9
04-25-2006, 01:27 PM
Layoff the Crack Pipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
have you had a post yet where you weren't putting down someone?

jerek
04-25-2006, 01:30 PM
Another last-ditch, mostly illiterate pro-VY post that successfuly avoids virtually any appearance of logical thought.

Only 5 days to go ... :brickwall

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 01:32 PM
I am a Vince Supporter.... a Vince politician........ a Vince Homer.

I've painted my car burnt orange, with a big "10" on both doors.......

But I would never, never.......... never ever ever ever......... do anything like that.

My whole contention is that a QB, like Vince comes along every so often...... I'm thinking McNabb/Culpepper, with the leadership of Troy Aikman/Joe Montana.

If you are in a position to get him, you do it. Until then, play the game with your Bledsoes..... your Plummers........ your David Carrs......

But there is so much Risk in these players, that I would never trade up, over extend myself to take such a player.... If we needed to move from 10 to 5..... I can see that. But not from 33.......... no way. Not me, not for Vince.

texanfan2100
04-25-2006, 01:32 PM
i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

Wow!! What a new an original argument. I haven't heard any of these claims in campaigning for Vince for the past, what has it been, two or three years now.

They're not taking Vince. Even if they traded up to the fifth pick in the first round, it wouldn't be to take Vince. The more people hold on to the hope of drafting Vince, the more pissed people are gonna be on draft day. He's gonna be a good nfl quarterback, but it won't be in Houston.

4Texans
04-25-2006, 01:42 PM
I don't see it happening.........

TheOgre
04-25-2006, 01:45 PM
I see us trading up in down a lot with our other selections this year. I think we stay at #1 overall though. I just don't see a likely scenario where this team gets Bush and Young this season. Ain't going to happen.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2006, 01:48 PM
I see this as likely as VY running to his left and completeing a pass (which if you've wathced alot of tape you'd know that it rarely happens). All of VY's highlight runs have him going to his right.

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 01:50 PM
I see this as likely as VY running to his left and completeing a pass (which if you've wathced alot of tape you'd know that it rarely happens). All of VY's highlight runs have him going to his right.


all??

Mailman04
04-25-2006, 01:56 PM
David Carr is unproven, but Vince isn't? Get over it, Houston isn't wasting a pick on Vince Young, much less four picks.

Texaneyes
04-25-2006, 02:03 PM
If they could do that...... I would never gripe about paying $10 per beer!!!! Some way.... they have got to get Young...... or they will be kicking themselves in the butt for the next 12 years!

I'd agree 100 % except that I think Vince will be an NFL superstar for many more than 12 years.

All this insane blather and TV hype about little Reggie make me have nightmares that the Houston Texans will screw this up.

It's obvious why Vince Young must be the choice for the Houston Texans

1. The fans: Vince Young is LITERALLY a Texan from Houston.

The Houston Texans will stop being the other NFL team in Texas instantly. Pick anybody else, and the Texans will continue to be subordinate to the real team in Texas. Has anybody noticed that men, women, and children all over the state are wearing replicas of Vince’s #10 college jersey. The immense majority of fans in the state of Texas want Vince Young to stay here.

2. The superstar: Vince Young is a once-in-a-lifetime talent.

All the naysayers at ESPN seem concerned that Vince Young is too talented: Too big, too fast, too powerful and accurate a passer, to effective a leader, too capable under pressure. What are these people smoking? ESPN ranked Texas number 1 for the coming NCAA season if Vince stayed with the Longhorns, but out of the top ten without him!
Does their boss have a kid at USC? What’s going on?

3. The career: Only a great QB can turn a losing team into a winner.

RBs, DBs, and so on, do not turn teams around. There are noRBs like Barry Sanders, Eric Dickersons, OJs, and the like available this year. But even if someone like them were, such an RB wouldn’t make the difference. Look at NFL history, for goodness sake!

But look at QBs. The great ones transform teams. Vince Young is as big as Big Ben, as good a passer as Marino, and as effective a runner as Michael Vick. Young’s teammates from middle school on up have loved him and trusted him, and he’s made his teams winners.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2006, 02:10 PM
all??

The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.

El Tejano
04-25-2006, 02:20 PM
Vince already put on a Titans jersey on a visit to a Houston area school. He's out.

J/K I want him but Bush will be our man.

GP
04-25-2006, 02:26 PM
The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.

Not to slam you, because I'm also not sold on the greatness of VY...

But most people have a hard time running to the left and throwing, if they throw right handed, and most people have a hard time running to the right and throwing if they throw left handed.

Throwing cross-body while running is pretty hard.

Now to the originator of this thread:

Anyways, my knock against VY is apples-to-apples he doesn't compare to how Reggie Bush has graded out with all the scouts and rankings analysts.

All of these guys could be busts...but I'd wager real money on Bush in terms of "who" has the best chance to succeed (1) right away, and (2)against any opponent, and (3) for a long duration.

I see VY needing at least one full season (ala Eli Manning) before he's ready for what NFL defenses throw at QBs. Being a QB might as well be the equivalent of being a bull rider: Lots of glory, but high risk for injury.

It's going to be Bush if the contract is right...or it will be a trade. And the trade won;t be for Vince Young. I get it, I really do: VY is a talented player and I won't knock him. But he's not right for this Texans team. It's all about timing, and he's come along at the wrong time. Carr is the guy according to our ownership and GM, and it's why Capers was fired and Kubiak was hired. Period.

whiskeyrbl
04-25-2006, 02:28 PM
The only trades left IMO if we keep the #1 pick, would be to package our #66, and #98 to move back into the mid 2rd.But as far as moving up to get Vince. We don't have that kind of $$$$$$$$ for 1,and don't think we want to leave this draft with only 2 picks,because it would cost us the rest of what we have to do it. Not worth it!!

GP
04-25-2006, 02:29 PM
Vince already put on a Titans jersey on a visit to a Houston area school. He's out.

J/K I want him but Bush will be our man.

Is this true?

So the guy wore a Titans jersey IN HOUSTON AT A HOUSTON AREA SCHOOL?

I already have one knock on his character for the report that he's already charging for his autograph...now this?

Tell me that remark was a joke. Please.

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 02:31 PM
The rollouots that included the pass...yes ALL of them are to the right side of the feild. Can he run left...most certainly; can he run left then throw...I don't know, as he might be able to but he doesn't do it in games very often, and when he does it never makes the highlights.

It's probably something he just needs to work on.
The Video Casserly Doesn't Want you to see (http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Career-Top-11)

I can't watch this highlight today for some reason, but I watched it just the other day. I think one of the first passes, Vince rolls left, and delivers a nice pass to a well defended WR.....

Then later, there is one where he rolls left, sets his feet, and drops a 50/60 yard bomb where the reciever doesn't break stride. I'm pretty sure he went left.

Errant Hothy
04-25-2006, 02:40 PM
The Video Casserly Doesn't Want you to see (http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Career-Top-11)

I can't watch this highlight today for some reason, but I watched it just the other day. I think one of the first passes, Vince rolls left, and delivers a nice pass to a well defended WR.....

Then later, there is one where he rolls left, sets his feet, and drops a 50/60 yard bomb where the reciever doesn't break stride. I'm pretty sure he went left.

Nope...sorry.

There is asingle pass where Vy takes a couple of steps to his left, resets his feet not once but twice and thorws to a receiver all by his lonesome; and he had all day to do it (it was during the OU game). Sill have yet to see VY roll to his left and throw on the run. Going to his rigth he's deadly to his left...not so good.

Not to slam you, because I'm also not sold on the greatness of VY...

But most people have a hard time running to the left and throwing, if they throw right handed, and most people have a hard time running to the right and throwing if they throw left handed.

Throwing cross-body while running is pretty hard.

No doubt, it's more of a reaction to the VY fanboyism. Man I can;t wait for Sunday, then this will all be over, except the cryin'.

JDizzle
04-25-2006, 03:13 PM
As the homecoming queen told me back in the day .. "Keep Dreaming."

Texanfannick
04-25-2006, 03:21 PM
there have always been great players that will lead a team to a super bowl but every nfl team drafts to what will make the team better. would vince make the texans better yes but david carr isnt that bad and with a better O-line or even adding bush to the back field will make the texans better then they would be with vince young.

kastofsna
04-25-2006, 03:24 PM
Is this true?

So the guy wore a Titans jersey IN HOUSTON AT A HOUSTON AREA SCHOOL?

I already have one knock on his character for the report that he's already charging for his autograph...now this?

Tell me that remark was a joke. Please.
i saw it. it was some news story in houston. a middle school invited him to give a speech to the kids, and he did so wearing a titans' bo scaife jersey. a pretty big FU to the texans.

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 03:33 PM
there have always been great players that will lead a team to a super bowl but every nfl team drafts to what will make the team better. would Reggie make the texans better yes but Domanick Davis isnt that bad and with a better O-line or even adding Vince as the back field will make the texans better then they would be with Reggie Bush.

Just so you can see what we're thinking, I changed a few words.

HomeBred_Texan
04-25-2006, 03:43 PM
There are some intangibles that only a few possess........ Vince will WIN for many years in this league...... Reggie will be good, but Vince will be great!
Give us a break...

And you know this how?

VY will have a broken leg by his 3rd year...

PokerStar
04-25-2006, 03:52 PM
wow that video in this was a really good running qb, not much of a passer though. Couple days left and you can watch Vince go to whatever team he goes to. Impressive keeping the hope alive though.

El Amigo Invisible
04-25-2006, 04:12 PM
Give us a break...

And you know this how?

VY will have a broken leg by his 3rd year...

That is a very nice thing to say .Reggie will be broken by the third game behind our line.

Mailman04
04-25-2006, 04:17 PM
They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.

Texans86
04-25-2006, 04:18 PM
That is a very nice thing to say .Reggie will be broken by the third game behind our line.

I'm getting sick of this slandering the other guy arguments. Can no one support both, but prefer the other. I don't mean to call you out personally, but your post was the latest. I haven't looked at your post history so you may make good arguments.

I hate political races for the very reason that politicians argue not that they are the best guy for the job, but because the other guy just happens to be worse than them. Please, stick to the real issues.

Edit: Oh, and the trading up is a terrible idea, I've written a few posts on the idea, so you can check my post history, but a quick recap, I hate losing draft picks, it would kill our salary cap, and it would cause inner team turmoil.

Mailman04
04-25-2006, 04:20 PM
yeah and as an out of state fan of the Texans who hates the Longhorns I am getting tired of people acting as if Vince Young is who they should take with this pick>

chuckm
04-25-2006, 04:22 PM
They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.

a caller to 610 just said he'd be wearing a Titans jersey when they visit because of passing on Vince, passing on DJ, and the Texans timed David Carr's extension to steal the thunder from UT's Rose Bowl victory .... Hook em

HoustonFrog
04-25-2006, 04:25 PM
I'm not for drafting him but Peter King on the third page of this article talks about how good VY looks throwing in drills, etc right now.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/peter_king/04/24/mmqb/2.html

Mailman04
04-25-2006, 04:39 PM
Good for that fan Chuckm. he isn't a Texans fan so maybe he will wear that Titans jersey the year around. Downward Hookem horns sign.

Mailman04
04-25-2006, 04:41 PM
what part of they are going to take Reggie Bush or Mario Williams do you not understand? They aren't taking Vince, that isn't an option right now per everyone except some poster who started this thread

El Amigo Invisible
04-25-2006, 04:49 PM
I'm getting sick of this slandering the other guy arguments. Can no one support both, but prefer the other. I don't mean to call you out personally, but your post was the latest. I haven't looked at your post history so you may make good arguments.

I hate political races for the very reason that politicians argue not that they are the best guy for the job, but because the other guy just happens to be worse than them. Please, stick to the real issues.

Edit: Oh, and the trading up is a terrible idea, I've written a few posts on the idea, so you can check my post history, but a quick recap, I hate losing draft picks, it would kill our salary cap, and it would cause inner team turmoil.
I guess his point question was about durability. If he wants to question Vince's durability than I have the right to question Reggie's.

El Tejano
04-25-2006, 04:57 PM
Here is my take on it about who makes our team better. Say we get Vince and he's a bust after two years. That would set our team back alot more because now we don't have the qb we thought we had twice.

If Bush comes in and is a bust at RB but is an awesome receiver well you aren't that bad off because you still have DD who has played remarkably well since his rookie season. If Bush is a bust at all, well you still have DD and based on what you have now, you still have two Pro Bowl receivers to rely on.

That is why with the #1 pick in the draft you don't go for need. Bush is a safer pick than many think. Yeah he is going to cost alot. Both he and us have earned that right. If he works out, it will be the biggest thing though.

Broken Record
04-25-2006, 05:06 PM
To back up what most of you are saying, a trade from #33 to #5 is nearly impossible for the Texans.

If you go by the draft value chart, pick #5 is worth 1700 points. Pick #33 is worth 265. If you add the value of the Texans entire draft except for #1, your total is about 658 points.

The only way for the Texans to get the #5 pick without giving up the #1 is to trade your entire draft for 06 and your first for 07 and maybe even a conditional 2nd in 07 or throw in a current player.

Not only that, but there's no guarantee Vince Young lasts past #3 overall this year.

**edit** my calculator isn't working right today! haha. The Texans could trade their entire draft except for #1 this year and get to somewhere around #11. Then you could throw in only next year's first. It's still not going to happen, though. This would be the equivalent of the Ricky Williams debacle in New Orleans. Maybe even a little worse.

cuppacoffee
04-25-2006, 05:11 PM
a caller to 610 just said he'd be wearing a Titans jersey when they visit because of passing on Vince, passing on DJ, and the Texans timed David Carr's extension to steal the thunder from UT's Rose Bowl victory .... Hook em

:rofl:

Does this supposed 'Texan fan?' really think anyone gives a rats *** what he/she wears?

Couldn't care less if they go naked, hell, might as well if they are that determined to show their ***.

If they are really wanting to make a statement..move to Nashville, sounds like a good fit.

Steal the thunder from TUs Rose Bowl? :rolleyes:

What a joke some of the TUs fans are turning out to be.

:coffee:

Rocky79
04-25-2006, 05:27 PM
To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.

When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field. David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable. I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there.

And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.

But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall

Frank_The_Tank
04-25-2006, 05:29 PM
Wow this is deff a set up thread. Bush-Bandwagon starts a thread about Vince, and spends 40 to 50 replys bashing the guy, what a buch of loosers.

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 05:36 PM
Nope...sorry.

There is asingle pass where Vy takes a couple of steps to his left, resets his feet not once but twice and thorws to a receiver all by his lonesome; and he had all day to do it (it was during the OU game). Sill have yet to see VY roll to his left and throw on the run. Going to his rigth he's deadly to his left...not so good.

You're right, I only saw one where he rolled left, reset, then threw that strike to the wide open reciever in stride.

wow that video in this was a really good running qb, not much of a passer though. Couple days left and you can watch Vince go to whatever team he goes to. Impressive keeping the hope alive though.
Yeah..... there were four plays out of 11, that were "designed" run plays. Of the other 7, only two, were runs were there wasn't a defender in the backfield. One, Vince was a wide reciever. and on one, he completes a pass to the third guy he identifies, with two defenders hanging from his ankles, and one wraped around his waist.



They should trade Andre Johnson and get a Longhorn> They should trade every player on this team not from Texas for someone from Texas and then maybe some of you would be happy.

shhhheeeeewwww...... I'm glad somebody said it..... I'm getting tired of all these Golden Boy/Pretty boys on our team.
yeah and as an out of state fan of the Texans who hates the Longhorns I am getting tired of people acting as if Vince Young is who they should take with this pick>

I don't see why this is a problem..... that's what fans do.

Mike Kerns
04-25-2006, 05:41 PM
I can't believe this thread has gotten this long...

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 05:56 PM
Here is my take on it about who makes our team better. Say we get Vince and he's a bust after two years. That would set our team back alot more because now we don't have the qb we thought we had twice.
Whoa........ Vince only get's two years, after being on the bench for 3?? I'm calling foul....... that's not right...... David get's six years as the starter...

If Bush comes in and is a bust at RB but is an awesome receiver well you aren't that bad off because you still have DD who has played remarkably well since his rookie season. If Bush is a bust at all, well you still have DD and based on what you have now, you still have two Pro Bowl receivers to rely on.

If Carr prooves to be a bust, we're starting over.... you still have two probowl recievers, and a running game....... and Sage Rosenfells......

That is why with the #1 pick in the draft you don't go for need. Bush is a safer pick than many think. Yeah he is going to cost alot. Both he and us have earned that right. If he works out, it will be the biggest thing though.

Are you saying we need a Quarterback, but shouldn't draft as if we do??
To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.
Let's see...... they are both unproven...... one has been in the league for 4 years... no, I don't call that even.... Vince wins this round.

When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field.
True......... but....
McNabb's been to three NFC Championship games.... Culpepper one, Vick one... McNabbs been to the Super bowl.......... How many times have these guys gone to the probowl??

Now compare this to how many times Tim Couch, & Ryan Leaf has gone to the NFC/AFC championship game, or the probowl.
David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable.
toughness & durability, I'll give you that.
To me, to date..... he has not shown to be any more capable than Tim Couch... I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion...
I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there. There have been a lot of blood, sweat & tears, shed by a lot of people who are no longer in the NFL now, that haven't gone anywhere either.

And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.

What are we going to do if Carr gets seriously hurt??

But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall

I'm over it, I'm fine. I'm not banging my head against any brick wall..... you guys seem to be taking this harder than anyone else.

Today, there are many folks who think we should've taken Julius Peppers...... we didn't, but I'm sure they still think they were right.

Rocky79
04-25-2006, 07:17 PM
Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Vince seems like a good guy, and I respect that he want's to play for the texans. And I wish it was possible, but it's not. And I suspect we will only have to regret not getting Vince for about five years, before he is a broken down backup.

But maybe they can assign Randall Cunningham as his NFL mentor to at least prepare him.

swtbound07
04-25-2006, 07:20 PM
Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Vince seems like a good guy, and I respect that he want's to play for the texans. And I wish it was possible, but it's not. And I suspect we will only have to regret not getting Vince for about five years, before he is a broken down backup.

But maybe they can assign Randall Cunningham as his NFL mentor to at least prepare him.

would you rather have that or an untalented qb who is oft sacked and wont get you close to the big game?

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 11:07 AM
would you rather have that or an untalented qb who is oft sacked and wont get you close to the big game?

extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.

Arn't they essentally the same?

Frills
04-26-2006, 11:16 AM
#1 pick + #4 pick = cap hell

no thanks

El Tejano
04-26-2006, 11:45 AM
Whoa........ Vince only get's two years, after being on the bench for 3?? I'm calling foul....... that's not right...... David get's six years as the starter...
If Carr prooves to be a bust, we're starting over.... you still have two probowl recievers, and a running game....... and Sage Rosenfells......



Appearantly to many of you, Carr is already a bust. However, I believe that he hasn't had much to work with so technically the jury is still out on him. And yes he does get a few more years because we have a new system. However, I am not giving him alot of time because of the fact he HAS BEEN WORKING WITH KUBES AND CALHOUN SINCE KUBES WAS HIRED. So he already has an edge.

Last year was not a result of Carr but a result of a bad offensive scheme and horrible coaching. Even Vince wouldn't perform well before UT's offensive Coordinator saw the light.

TreWardTxn
04-26-2006, 11:49 AM
Culpepper, Mcnabb, and Vick all prove my point. Thay have all been close to the big game because they are very talented QB's who could carry a team. Vince is also extremely talented and can do the same, but every one of those guys has spent a heck of a lot of the time injured on the bench, and every time it happens their teams went right into the garbage. The eagles last year, the falcons for the last two years, and we'll leave the Vikings out of this. But they all share one thing: extremely talented and mobile quarterbacks who are quickly becoming crippled and costing their teams ENTIRE SEASONS.


Be serious now, McNabb got hurt by getting waylaid in the pocket after stepping up to put a pass deep, which tore that hernia. Vick broke his leg behind the line of scrimmage on one of the most fluke looking plays I've ever seen. Culpepper had his knee ripped up trying to make something happen, Palmer's on another fluke looking play. Point being, in football, guys get hurt. Steve Young, Favre, Roethilisberger, Elway, McNair, Kordell Stewart are all guys who moved around a lot but didn't/haven't broken a bone or torn a ligament; you just never know...

BigBull17
04-26-2006, 11:58 AM
If this team takes one or the other or trades down whatever ill be ok with it. If they trade their whole draft to get two guys in the top 5, ill kick myself in the teeth. That would be about the last staw I could take.

threetoedpete
04-26-2006, 12:31 PM
i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

Stupid here, lol.....

It's a great thought, and anything can happen. But...
BeerLover has this scenario already up as a mock. It is very doable. However, even if all things were equal and it wasn't VY it was twenty years ago and John Elway, you don't trade away the back bone of a draft, espcially one this deep, even for John Elway. Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is. For you, his warts are ok. For me, it is five years of deadwood, watching a frustrated VY fail. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.
One of the main reasons we're in the postion to even talk about drafting VY is because of the Babin deal. They reached for him and so far, it has not panned out. That loss of tallent for the reach of Babin, along with some other questionalble choices, has brought us full circle to this point in time atop the draft once again. Maybe with Babin's hand back on the ground that will change. This team is as bad as it is because of a lack of overall tallent. The way you get more overall tallent is holding on to your picks and making wise choices with them.

Finally, a very wise man once wrote," You can never go home again." Either know what that means. Or you will live to learn what that means.
Either way, the scenario of VY failing would be too bitter of a cup for me to drink from. If he makes in in Arizona, Tennessee, or Oakland and he kills us in the super bowl, I will eat a lot of crow. But from what I've seen, and the fact that no one is knocking down our doors for the pick, means I'm prety safe from eating humble pie. I lived through forty years of frustration with the Oilers. The quickest way to get to that scenario again, is draft VY. I know you love him. I do too believe it or not. He burried the '69 Texas team. Either you know what that means....Or you don't.

BattleRedGuy
04-26-2006, 01:19 PM
So let's see. Leinhart only lost two games in three FULL years. And you can match up those three UT and USC teams side by side and they were even.

Sounds like worth a trade up to reunite teammates:rolleyes:

TexasDiehard
04-26-2006, 02:16 PM
To call David Carr "unproven" compared to someone that has never played a down of NFL football is hilarious.

When I think of VY as a Texan, I see him looking very good...on the sideline in a cast, while the texans remain in the cellar relying on a backup quarterback for the rest of the season. If you don't beleive me, look at the Falcons. They were on the verge of the Super Bowl just a couple of years ago on the back of Mike Vick, and now? They have'nt even made the playoffs in a couple of years because Mike Vick can't stay on the field. David Carr has proven his toughness, durability, and leadership in the NFL game. I have seen every Texans game, and Dave has shown that he is at very least capable. I have also had the good fortune of working with Dave on some advertising/PR stuff, and all he talks about is the TEXANS, he want to be under center for that first Texans playoff game worse than anything. And he has proven he is willing to sweat and bleed to get there.

And at least if Reggie is a bust, we still have a proven 1,000 yard rusher in Domanick. What happens when we get vince, and he inevitably gets seriously hurt? David Carr will not stick around and wait. We will be left with a talented but crippled quarterback and once again waiting for the next years draft.

But I'm not worried about that because VINCE YOUNG WILL NOT BE A TEXAN...get over it.:brickwall

WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 02:26 PM
WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.

Good then you and the other 1/2 of the fanbase you speak for can get gone.

I CANNOT wait for Sturday to watch a bunch of marginal fans leave their support for the Texans and go and worship at the foot of one of the NFL's biggest ***holes, Bud Adams ( if VY does not fall further then that, which he may cause both Fischer and Chow, two really bright football guys, think Leinart is the better pick).

So have fun being a fan of a player and not a team, I hope the one guy you root for does well.

wrestler4life
04-26-2006, 02:29 PM
WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.
Wow...easy there. To call VY the best QB in college ever is a bit of an overstatement and obviously the reason you are so mad.
If you want to stop rooting for the Texans because they did not pick your boyfriend, then go ahead. I am not going to lose sleep because they picked Bush over him. I just hope that they become a better team overall.

Mailman04
04-26-2006, 02:37 PM
You are quitting the Texans because they didn't pick your boyfriend Vince, Good riddance, see you. I want the Texans to draft the player who will help them the most, not my boyfriend

Maddict5
04-26-2006, 02:39 PM
i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07 vince mvp 08

my parents just got back from egypt....they said they saw you in denile:redtowel:
seriously though you want us to trade up for a top 5 qb eventhough we only have 4m in cap and it would cost us the rest of our draft plus next year 1st or 2nd.....i think you've played too much madden :homer: :rolleyes:

TexasDiehard
04-26-2006, 02:41 PM
Stupid here, lol.....

It's a great thought, and anything can happen. But...
BeerLover has this scenario already up as a mock. It is very doable. However, even if all things were equal and it wasn't VY it was twenty years ago and John Elway, you don't trade away the back bone of a draft, espcially one this deep, even for John Elway. Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is. For you, his warts are ok. For me, it is five years of deadwood, watching a frustrated VY fail. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.
One of the main reasons we're in the postion to even talk about drafting VY is because of the Babin deal. They reached for him and so far, it has not panned out. That loss of tallent for the reach of Babin, along with some other questionalble choices, has brought us full circle to this point in time atop the draft once again. Maybe with Babin's hand back on the ground that will change. This team is as bad as it is because of a lack of overall tallent. The way you get more overall tallent is holding on to your picks and making wise choices with them.

Finally, a very wise man once wrote," You can never go home again." Either know what that means. Or you will live to learn what that means.
Either way, the scenario of VY failing would be too bitter of a cup for me to drink from. If he makes in in Arizona, Tennessee, or Oakland and he kills us in the super bowl, I will eat a lot of crow. But from what I've seen, and the fact that no one is knocking down our doors for the pick, means I'm prety safe from eating humble pie. I lived through forty years of frustration with the Oilers. The quickest way to get to that scenario again, is draft VY. I know you love him. I do too believe it or not. He burried the '69 Texas team. Either you know what that means....Or you don't.

Well at least you got the stupid part right. This may be a deep draft but the Texans have screwed up every draft to date. What make you think they would not screw it up again? Kubiak? Exactly what in his draft picking experience makes you think he will make any difference? The Texans need to go with sure bets and VY is as close to that as they could ever hope to get. VY and RB in the same backfield would be a combination for the ages that would unify the Texan fan base and at least triple its size. I'd bet my football future on VY's ability long before I'd bank on the Texan's drafting ability.

What evidence do you have that VY will not make the transition? He has excelled at everything he has ever done and has lead teams to championships at every level and he has a proven ability to learn and adapt. He is as sure a bet as any QB that has ever come out of college. What makes you think Carr will ever be a top NFL QB?

You don't have to restructure the Texans offense for VY. Kubiak's offense is designed for a dual threat QB and he has been encouraging Carr to run opportunistically to create problems for defenses. VY is a better fit than Carr by a long shot and VY was the top rated passer in the NCAA last year before he went 30 out of 40 passing and gained 475 yards against the "greatest team of all time" in what may have been the biggest college game of all time. Carr by comparison lost 3 games as a senior when his team was favored and has been a bust in the NFL. Only a halfwit would rather have Carr than Young.

Yeah it really worked out bad for Earl, and Akeem, and Nolan, and Roger when they played for local teams.

The problem with the VY & RB scenario is that no one is knocking on our door wanting David Carr.

Errant Hothy
04-26-2006, 02:52 PM
Well at least you got the stupid part right. This may be a deep draft but the Texans have screwed up every draft to date. What make you think they would not screw it up again? Kubiak? Exactly what in his draft picking experience makes you think he will make any difference? The Texans need to go with sure bets and VY is as close to that as they could ever hope to get. VY and RB in the same backfield would be a combination for the ages that would unify the Texan fan base and at least triple its size. I'd bet my football future on VY's ability long before I'd bank on the Texan's drafting ability.

What evidence do you have that VY will not make the transition? He has excelled at everything he has ever done and has lead teams to championships at every level and he has a proven ability to learn and adapt. He is as sure a bet as any QB that has ever come out of college. What makes you think Carr will ever be a top NFL QB?

You don't have to restructure the Texans offense for VY. Kubiak's offense is designed for a dual threat QB and he has been encouraging Carr to run opportunistically to create problems for defenses. VY is a better fit than Carr by a long shot and VY was the top rated passer in the NCAA last year before he went 30 out of 40 passing and gained 475 yards against the "greatest team of all time" in what may have been the biggest college game of all time. Carr by comparison lost 3 games as a senior when his team was favored and has been a bust in the NFL. Only a halfwit would rather have Carr than Young.

Yeah it really worked out bad for Earl, and Akeem, and Nolan, and Roger when they played for local teams.

The problem with the VY & RB scenario is that no one is knocking on our door wanting David Carr.

Explain to me how the Texnas have screwed up all of their drafts. And if you can do it without bringing up Derrick Johnson I'd be shocked. An All-pro and an OROY, both in teh fourth, lead me to beleive you're being blinded by something.

Even if Carr had the kinda of trade value needed to get both RB and VY, how would the team afford to pay 2 top five draft picks, and absorb Carr's cap hit?

And VY is not a sure bet, no player is. Most (the guys who cover the draft for a living) feel that Reggie is the closet thing to a sure thing in the draft in decades.

TreWardTxn
04-26-2006, 03:30 PM
Stupid here, lol.....

Also, as certain as you are that VY will make the transition, there are many if us on this board that believe it is more than probable that he will not. His warts are so bad, bad habits so ingrained, that no amount of time, no guru coaching, will heal them. You will have to restructure the whole mechanics of an offense just to get him on the feild. Early in a ball game, you can tell if you're going to have one of his fast ball high games by the way he sets his feet. And once that habit is set, it last the whole game. Inaccuracy for a QB is death to the team. I don't believe at this stage of his career you can change the way he throws the football. He is what he is.

So I guess a rally-from-behind, team leader, championship winner type of guy isn't one you would want for your QB? Yeah, college is over, but some of those things translate to the next level, remaining calm, being focused, performing under intense pressure.

What people don't understand about Young is that he has acheived this much without being truly coached. He didn't have any professional QB coaching in high school like Leinart, Greg Davis and Mack Brown haven't developed a QB since they've been at Texas, Chris Simms is case in point, and Young's potential dwarfs his. Yeah, he will likely throw the same way throughout his career, that won't inhibit his ability to make plays. But as far as all that stuff about setting feet, making reads, those are things that every QB needs to learn, including our current one.

You are operating from the standpoint that Young can't/will not get better. He's already demonstrated he can take 3-5-7 step drops and deliver passes. Footwork and all that comes with NFL coaching...

Texas_Thrill
04-26-2006, 03:47 PM
this ranks right up there with my bonehead threads of the year....(and its only april.)

Mailman04
04-26-2006, 03:52 PM
This is a dumb thread. Texans have said they aren't taking Vince Young, I don;t know how much clearer they could be on this subject and then we see this bonehead thread on here.

Janus3
04-26-2006, 03:54 PM
this is why i hate UT fans.

Cupps
04-26-2006, 04:52 PM
I really have never felt one way or another about UT or Vince Young, but all of this blind devotion and thought that VY is the next coming of Jesus H. Christ himself bothers me. In fact, over the past several months, I've gone from impartial to VY (and Bush isn't my first choice in the draft) to not being able to stand him and wanting to see him drafted by some crappy team and become a huge bust just to shut some people up.

That said, I feel the need to blow off some steam by recapping and busting so myths that seem to be plaguing our boards.

Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Vince Young will have an awesome career and win 672 Super Bowls and go undefeated and win for the next 32 seasons.

*Vince Young invented the college quarterback position and as such is the greatest thing since the forward pass to come out of football.

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

*If we traded every draft pick and every playor on our roster, and only fielded Young... we'd still finish at least 10-6, and win a wild card spot. Not even a question.

*Also, lastly and perhaps most importantly: SDespite neither player having played in the NFL before, and both receiving equal hype, and Bush considered by many, many, many experts to be a once-in-a-lifetime player, Bush is already a major bust who won't last a single season while Young is GUARANTEED to be Pro Bowl calibur for at least, AT LEAST, 32 seasons.

The End... (BTW, I want us to draft Williams or trade down)

Hardcore Texan
04-27-2006, 09:30 AM
WHAT A JOKE!! David Carr is among the biggest busts in the history of the NFL draft but this guy met him so he must be okay. Carr has shown ZERO team leadership, his teammates can't stand him, he is a poor decision maker on the field, he has a lousy work ethic off the field and he has shown absolutely no flashes of potential to be a top 10 NFL QB. The original post here would work if Carr had any trade value to any other team, but he is damaged goods and an overrated joke and McNair cannot admit he screwed up picking Carr and pissing away millions on the guy so he keeps him to try to prove a point that has ZERO chance to succeed. Next year the surrounding cast may be stronger but Carr will continue to be a ball and chain around the Texan's potential.

When the Texans pass on VY, at least 1/2 of the potential fan base will give up on the Texans and their ineptitude because those potential fans are not dumb enough to continue to invest their emotions in a team that cannot make a successful personnel decision and callously ignores their fan base. Over 80% of voters on the Texan's own website poll were pro VY until they took it down. The rest of you clowns can can continue to wallow in McNair's mediocrity and watch VY kick your collective butts for 15 years. "Yes may I have another" can be your motto.

There is something pathetically humorous about watching all you people argue against VY, a guy who may be the best college QB in history and who has the potential to be the best in NFL history, and to simultaneously advocate keeping a guy who has been a huge catastrophy for the Texan franchise by any measure. You people will get exactly what you deserve and the rest of us can enjoy watching the show.


What a Joke, this post is the dumbest I have seen in the history of the message board.

Another post straight from the "YOU CAN'T SPELL VICTORY WITHOUT VY" crowd, screaming it all over town.

I guess you can evaluate talent better than Gary Kubiak, we better let him know that his job is in jeopardy because you have been rubbing your crystal ball and can see the future or maybe it is your extensive NFL coaching experience you are relying on. Kubiak made the call to extend Carr, he is the coach, it is over and done.

Get over it, we aren't drafting VY. And get behind your team and the decision they made and try and support them.

I am VY fan and a UT fan, but the Texans are my favorite team, and VY is not the answer for us. And you are making all UT/VY fans look bad, like we don't want the best for our Texans.

NinerPheen
04-27-2006, 10:30 AM
Another last-ditch, mostly illiterate pro-VY post that successfuly avoids virtually any appearance of logical thought.

Only 5 days to go ... :brickwall

:rofl: Haha, theyre everywhere.

NinerPheen
04-27-2006, 10:38 AM
Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

So damn True

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

Problem will be solved by 1 QB spy. Just try running around on people like Ray Lewis.

*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

I think Carr is good (probably because im not a Texan fan). But, i here the same arguements against Alex Smith. With the lines that our teams have, Peyton Manning would look like Ryan Leaf.

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

He'll take forever to develop and wont win a superbowl.




Vince Young, Ha.

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 10:57 AM
I really have never felt one way or another about UT or Vince Young, but all of this blind devotion and thought that VY is the next coming of Jesus H. Christ himself bothers me. In fact, over the past several months, I've gone from impartial to VY (and Bush isn't my first choice in the draft) to not being able to stand him and wanting to see him drafted by some crappy team and become a huge bust just to shut some people up.

That said, I feel the need to blow off some steam by recapping and busting so myths that seem to be plaguing our boards.


Funny thing is they are saying the exact same thing about Reggie Bush...... the exact same thing. But none of it's hype??

Yet you don't find it as annoying....

thunderkyss
04-27-2006, 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupps
Some things, that despite popular belief on these boards, that are NOT FACTS:

*Despite the face that running quarterbacks have no proven that they can compete at an elite level in the NFL (and I don't care how much Vick can run, he simply CANNOT pass well enough to make Atlanta a solid threat), Young is not affected by this and will be unstoppable in the NFL.

So damn True You do know McNabb has gotten closer to the SuperBowl than Peyton Manning don't you?? & that's with less talent at all positions...... heck, he made it to the superbowl with only one true recieving threat

*Even though he was outrunning the 40th ranked USC defense in the Rose Bowl and passing and running against significantly slower defenses in college, he will always be infinitely faster than an NFL defense and simply run circles around them befopre throwing a spot-on, perfectly spiraled 65-yard pass.

Problem will be solved by 1 QB spy. Just try running around on people like Ray Lewis.
You do understand if Vince has reduced Ray Lewis to a spy role, he's done his job right?? DD, & Putz would really appreciate that. & if Reggie was on our team, he'd really really like for Ray Lewis to spy David Carr
*David Carr, despite playing behind an O-line that seemingly NO QB could survive and without many offensive weapons, is an utter bust and could never play even competently.

I think Carr is good (probably because im not a Texan fan). But, i here the same arguements against Alex Smith. With the lines that our teams have, Peyton Manning would look like Ryan Leaf. Well, if I were a Carr/Smith fan, I'd say the same thing. You put Peyton Manning behind our line, with AJ, and he will beat the blitz 9 times out of 10. To date, there are only three teams good enough to make Peyton look like Carr

*Vince Young, however, could not possibly lose. No offensive line, no professionaly experience, no real coaching... these are not pertinent to the arguement.

He'll take forever to develop and wont win a superbowl.
& how exactly is that different than what we have now??

Texas
04-27-2006, 11:27 AM
We simply dont have the $$