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Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 02:08 AM
Check the link.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14413481.htm

Of course www.profootballtalk.com has their opinions on it.

This story ought to EXPLODE tommorow.

Some say that if he is to be considered ineligible for the '05 season then he will be stripped of the Heisman and it will be rewarded to the runner-up (VY).

This is gonna get Super Ugly.

I told y'all this dude is a chump, I bet Subway is crapping their Jared sized pants right now.

MasterC25
04-24-2006, 02:26 AM
Check the link.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14413481.htm

Of course www.profootballtalk.com has their opinions on it.

This story ought to EXPLODE tommorow.

Some say that if he is to be considered ineligible for the '05 season then he will be stripped of the Heisman and it will be rewarded to the runner-up (VY).

This is gonna get Super Ugly.

I told y'all this dude is a chump, I bet Subway is crapping their Jared sized pants right now.


He is a chump because...???

Anyways the investigation will take its course. It has nothing to do with Subway, they signed him as a NFL player not a great college player so they could care less. Its not like less people will eat subway cause Reggie allegedly got a free house while he was at USC. That all doesn't even concern the Texans. All that concerns them is that he is there in Mini and Training Camp as the TEXANS #1 Running Back and Offensive Weapon.



CHUMP??

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 02:38 AM
He is a chump because...???

Anyways the investigation will take its course. It has nothing to do with Subway, they signed him as a NFL player not a great college player so they could care less. Its not like less people will eat subway cause Reggie allegedly got a free house while he was at USC. That all doesn't even concern the Texans. All that concerns them is that he is there in Mini and Training Camp as the TEXANS #1 Running Back and Offensive Weapon.



CHUMP??
Are you serious. Read between crap. He has put a storied College in jepeorady (sp) of having records stricken from them. Wins taken away. A trophy taken away. If the NCAA can prove that they were in the house at any point during the '04 season then some if not all of that Champioship season is in limbo too along with Matt's Heisman. That is what makes him a CHUMP. How dare he allow this happen. If he wasn't so selfish and had a little patience (1.5-2 years) he wouldn't have put A. his family B. his college and C. himself in this situation.

What an F'n Loser

And I know it has nothing to do with Subway, just saying that they inked him to an endorsemnet deal worth $$millions and if this goes the way I think it will, They'll be wishing that they hadn't

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 02:44 AM
What a bunch of crap :challenge , I cant believe that he cheated like that and then he got caught a week before the draft. Wow, talk about stripping a kids credability just days before the draft. Well this will make it that much more promising for passing on Bush. I mean if the guy will do this, who knows what type of bribes he will take in the pro's. This will shake up the draft big time.

texanskan
04-24-2006, 02:55 AM
Well if Bush loses the Heisman atleast the "real" winner will get it.

Goatcheese
04-24-2006, 02:58 AM
I don't think it will affect his draft stock. Nobody is going to rush to judgement and risk passing on a great player over a negligble infraction. If this had come out months ago and been investigated fully before the draft it might have had some minor impact. But in a league where assault, armed robbery, and being caught with steroids and other drugs (at the COMBINE of all places) doesn't affect your stock, this won't. If he was a no name backup from Hampton this wouldn't be an issue. Of course he wouldn't have gotten a free house either. :rolleyes:

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:26 AM
I don't think it will affect his draft stock. Nobody is going to rush to judgement and risk passing on a great player over a negligble infraction. If this had come out months ago and been investigated fully before the draft it might have had some minor impact. But in a league where assault, armed robbery, and being caught with steroids and other drugs (at the COMBINE of all places) doesn't affect your stock, this won't. If he was a no name backup from Hampton this wouldn't be an issue. Of course he wouldn't have gotten a free house either. :rolleyes:

lol:

Janus3
04-24-2006, 03:50 AM
Well if Bush loses the Heisman atleast the "real" winner will get it.

Yeah Matt Leinart definatly deserved it more. lendale white could've carried the team without bush imo.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2006, 03:55 AM
I told y'all this dude is a chump, I bet Subway is crapping their Jared sized pants right now.


That is funny right there.

GhostRaider2006
04-24-2006, 05:07 AM
How the hell did he cheat? How did having his family living in that home make him perform better on the field? He didn't cheat he violated NCAA rules (if it is true) there is a difference.

Goatcheese
04-24-2006, 05:16 AM
I think NCAA regulations are a little silly. Who does it hurt for college players to get money for their efforts? The big schools, like Texas, USC, Miami etc, are still going to get all the best prospects whether their players get perks or not. Alot of players would be able to stay in school and FINISH THEIR EDUCATION, if they could support their family. Seems like that should be the most important thing in college sports, graduation rates. I don't see where he "cheated". Did having a nice house make him run faster? Jump higher? Break more tackles or push Leinart deeper into the end zone? Alot of people will claim it ruins the purity of college football, but realisticly this sort of thing is very common. It's just hidden better.

Players are aloud to "borrow" vehicles and recieve alot of other service for free in and around their college towns. This sort of thing doesn't hurt anyone except the people giving to the players. I can understand not allowing large cash awards or similar to this case actually giving them a $700k home(the article claims they rented). This just seems like a reason to attack Bush when most everything else has failed. I'm sure Vince "The Chosen Son" Young has gotten alot of comped benefits and free gifts. Wether it's a house or the stereo typical "Your moneys no good here" line when he buys beer, they both violate the NCAA regs to the same degree. If Bush was a no name running back from Po Dunk School of Hair and Weave Styling, nobody would care.

As for the poor familys living in Ghettos: How does the Bush family home affect them? Are you any less comfortable in your residence because Donald Trump lives the life of luxury? Or is your Lazy Boy still soft and cooshy as always? Mayby if they played harder somebody would give their mom a new house. :rolleyes:

The self rightious indignation over this is silly. His family was allowed to rent a nice house by some shmuck who thought he could be Reggies agent. His business apparently failed and the Bush clan still had to pay rent. He's not going to slip in the draft because of this, and he won't lose the Heisman. Reggie "The Cheater, Gift Accepting, Evil Overlord of the 5th Dimension" Bush is most likely going 1st in the draft. Probably to the Texans.

HeroTime
04-24-2006, 06:56 AM
Are you serious. Read between crap. He has put a storied College in jepeorady (sp) of having records stricken from them. Wins taken away. A trophy taken away. If the NCAA can prove that they were in the house at any point during the '04 season then some if not all of that Champioship season is in limbo too along with Matt's Heisman. That is what makes him a CHUMP. How dare he allow this happen. If he wasn't so selfish and had a little patience (1.5-2 years) he wouldn't have put A. his family B. his college and C. himself in this situation.

What an F'n Loser

And I know it has nothing to do with Subway, just saying that they inked him to an endorsemnet deal worth $$millions and if this goes the way I think it will, They'll be wishing that they hadn't

Hard to live in a house in 04 when the house was not built until 05. Nice try though. How dare he allow his parents to live their own lives the selfish bastage. :ok: Sounds like he was being selfless to me. Concentrating on football and not worrying about what mom and dad are doing. Since when does the son take control over what the parents do?

HeroTime
04-24-2006, 07:37 AM
Check the link.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/14413481.htm

Of course www.profootballtalk.com has their opinions on it.

This story ought to EXPLODE tommorow.

Some say that if he is to be considered ineligible for the '05 season then he will be stripped of the Heisman and it will be rewarded to the runner-up (VY).

This is gonna get Super Ugly.

I told y'all this dude is a chump, I bet Subway is crapping their Jared sized pants right now.


Actuallly there is a heisman bylaw that states the votes for the player will be given to a teamate so Lienart will get the Heisman again. Vince gets screwed again.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 07:53 AM
I think NCAA regulations are a little silly. Who does it hurt for college players to get money for their efforts? The big schools, like Texas, USC, Miami etc, are still going to get all the best prospects whether their players get perks or not. Alot of players would be able to stay in school and FINISH THEIR EDUCATION, if they could support their family. Seems like that should be the most important thing in college sports, graduation rates. I don't see where he "cheated". Did having a nice house make him run faster? Jump higher? Break more tackles or push Leinart deeper into the end zone? Alot of people will claim it ruins the purity of college football, but realisticly this sort of thing is very common. It's just hidden better.

Players are aloud to "borrow" vehicles and recieve alot of other service for free in and around their college towns. This sort of thing doesn't hurt anyone except the people giving to the players. I can understand not allowing large cash awards or similar to this case actually giving them a $700k home(the article claims they rented). This just seems like a reason to attack Bush when most everything else has failed. I'm sure Vince "The Chosen Son" Young has gotten alot of comped benefits and free gifts. Wether it's a house or the stereo typical "Your moneys no good here" line when he buys beer, they both violate the NCAA regs to the same degree. If Bush was a no name running back from Po Dunk School of Hair and Weave Styling, nobody would care.

As for the poor familys living in Ghettos: How does the Bush family home affect them? Are you any less comfortable in your residence because Donald Trump lives the life of luxury? Or is your Lazy Boy still soft and cooshy as always? Mayby if they played harder somebody would give their mom a new house. :rolleyes:

The self rightious indignation over this is silly. His family was allowed to rent a nice house by some shmuck who thought he could be Reggies agent. His business apparently failed and the Bush clan still had to pay rent. He's not going to slip in the draft because of this, and he won't lose the Heisman. Reggie "The Cheater, Gift Accepting, Evil Overlord of the 5th Dimension" Bush is most likely going 1st in the draft. Probably to the Texans.
This is all "Warm and Fuzzy" but the fact still remains that it is not allowed. As well as you cannot call it rent if it's free. If every player did this.........you know what I'm getting at.

Does Barry Bonds desreve a free pass? Should Pete Rose have already been in the Hall of Fame? Should Ricky Williams be allowed to "twist one" on the sideline when the going gets tough? Should Bob Knight be allowed to choke all of his players?

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 07:57 AM
Actuallly there is a heisman bylaw that states the votes for the player will be given to a teamate so Lienart will get the Heisman again. Vince gets screwed again.
Not if the whole season is scratched. Then there would be no teammates to give the votes to. Which would, in turn, pass them along to the runner-up.

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 07:57 AM
who cares. he cheated NCAA's stupid rules. i'm glad he put he put his family before the hypocritical nonsense the NCAA tries to enforce on their athletes. subway doesn't care. none of his endorsements will care. in the end, USC is a big moneymaking institution and nothing will happen to them. troy smith shouldn't be playing right now, but because he goes to THE ohio state university, he's given a free pass. this story will be done after the draft.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 07:58 AM
How the hell did he cheat? How did having his family living in that home make him perform better on the field? He didn't cheat he violated NCAA rules (if it is true) there is a difference.

If the allegations are correct then he and USC cheated as he knowingly gave up his amateur status. Professionals, those who accept cash, extra benefits, do not play in the NCAA.

As a former NCAA athlete one knows the difference between right and wrong.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 08:00 AM
who cares. he cheated NCAA's stupid rules. i'm glad he put he put his family before the hypocritical nonsense the NCAA tries to enforce on their athletes. subway doesn't care. none of his endorsements will care. in the end, USC is a big moneymaking institution and nothing will happen to them. troy smith shouldn't be playing right now, but because he goes to THE ohio state university, he's given a free pass. this story will be done after the draft.

His endorsers will not care? Believe me they will in the event any of this is true.

Haams
04-24-2006, 08:06 AM
who cares. he cheated NCAA's stupid rules. i'm glad he put he put his family before the hypocritical nonsense the NCAA tries to enforce on their athletes.

For all practical purposes I do find it hard to get too upset at a guy for taking money (or a house) in 2005 when he's becoming a multi-millionaire in 2006... However, in my opinion, it can be just as valid an intelligence test as the Wunderlic. It is stupid to risk losing all you've accomplished and it's a slap in the face to the system that's turning you into millionaire. It also definately does not demonstrate a team-first mentality.

BigBull17
04-24-2006, 08:07 AM
This is very different than Pete Rose and Barry Bonds. He didnt bet on his team or replace his arms and legs with machinery(sp), his parents took a house. Does it violate laws, yes, should he be held accountable, again yes, should he lose his heisman, probubly so, but he isnt a "cheater". His parents house didnt make him faster than other people. Nor did it help his agility or pass catching ability. And the NCAA rules are crappy in these circumstances. The NCAA makes gobbs of money off of these kids and some of them live in down right poverty. It does look bad, but its not roids, he didnt wave a gun at people, he didnt beat and rape a stripper, he isnt a drug addict or drug dealer, his parents ALLEGEDLY accepted a house from a guy who wanted his buddy to be Bushes agent. I just dont think its that big of a deal. :twocents:

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 08:08 AM
who cares. he cheated NCAA's stupid rules. i'm glad he put he put his family before the hypocritical nonsense the NCAA tries to enforce on their athletes. subway doesn't care. none of his endorsements will care. in the end, USC is a big moneymaking institution and nothing will happen to them. troy smith shouldn't be playing right now, but because he goes to THE ohio state university, he's given a free pass. this story will be done after the draft.

Stupid or not, rules ARE rules. If he's as smart as everyone says he is, then he should know better. Kinda like marijuana laws... lots of people think that they're stupid, but you don't see 'em blazing in front of police stations.

Haams
04-24-2006, 08:13 AM
The NCAA makes gobbs of money off of these kids and some of them live in down right poverty.

The NCAA also gives them a free education and an opportunity to make gobs of money.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 08:17 AM
This is very different than Pete Rose and Barry Bonds. He didnt bet on his team or replace his arms and legs with machinery(sp), his parents took a house. Does it violate laws, yes, should he be held accountable, again yes, should he lose his heisman, probubly so, but he isnt a "cheater". His parents house didnt make him faster than other people. Nor did it help his agility or pass catching ability. And the NCAA rules are crappy in these circumstances. The NCAA makes gobbs of money off of these kids and some of them live in down right poverty. It does look bad, but its not roids, he didnt wave a gun at people, he didnt beat and rape a stripper, he isnt a drug addict or drug dealer, his parents ALLEGEDLY accepted a house from a guy who wanted his buddy to be Bushes agent. I just dont think its that big of a deal. :twocents:

Yes cheater may not be the operable word. Maybe we can use the following to placate your semantic palate- rulebreaker, dishonest, trickster, deceiver, beguiler, slickster.

Sarg01
04-24-2006, 08:17 AM
Does Barry Bonds desreve a free pass? Should Pete Rose have already been in the Hall of Fame? Should Ricky Williams be allowed to "twist one" on the sideline when the going gets tough? Should Bob Knight be allowed to choke all of his players?

All rules are not equal. If there's no difference between Barry Bonds and Reggie Bush (incidentally, aren't we all jumping to judgement a little quickly here?), then every person who's ever gone 1 mph over the speed limit is officially a criminal. I'm willing to bet that includes pretty much everyone on this board.

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 08:19 AM
Yes cheater may not be the operable word. Maybe we can use the following to placate your semantic palate- rulebreaker, dishonest, trickster, deceiver, beguiler, slickster.

Couldn't have said it better.
BTW, Happy Birthday.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 08:30 AM
This is very different than Pete Rose and Barry Bonds. He didnt bet on his team or replace his arms and legs with machinery(sp), his parents took a house. Does it violate laws, yes, should he be held accountable, again yes, should he lose his heisman, probubly so, but he isnt a "cheater". His parents house didnt make him faster than other people. Nor did it help his agility or pass catching ability. And the NCAA rules are crappy in these circumstances. The NCAA makes gobbs of money off of these kids and some of them live in down right poverty. It does look bad, but its not roids, he didnt wave a gun at people, he didnt beat and rape a stripper, he isnt a drug addict or drug dealer, his parents ALLEGEDLY accepted a house from a guy who wanted his buddy to be Bushes agent. I just dont think its that big of a deal. :twocents:
Yeah, it may be different but just like a squeeky clean person who couldn't hurt a flea, if they forget to pay a traffic ticket and get picked up for a warrant, they don't get to go to a special jail until bond is posted. They go to the same place the criminals, rapist, drug dealers, drug users go.

BigBull17
04-24-2006, 08:37 AM
Yeah, it may be different but just like a squeeky clean person who couldn't hurt a flea, if they forget to pay a traffic ticket and get picked up for a warrant, they don't get to go to a special jail until bond is posted. They go to the same place the criminals, rapist, drug dealers, drug users go.

No they go to different levels of jail. A guy with over due parking tickets wont be in the same cell as Charles Manson. There are different detention centers, from local jails where you go when your picked up for PI, to the state pen you go to when you shoot someone in the head. There are different levels. Also, you have to remember, this is all allegations. It is being investigaed, and has yet to be proven.

SteelBlueToro
04-24-2006, 08:37 AM
Some say that if he is to be considered ineligible for the '05 season then he will be stripped of the Heisman and it will be rewarded to the runner-up (VY).
You wish...

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 08:40 AM
Not to mention, he should just know better.

Now, if he didn't know he'd be this big then maybe you say he thought he get away with it. But about half-way through the season a little light should've went off they should've bolted. He knew he was gonna be bigger than life as far NCAA see's it.

I can be a married man and have an affair with pleasantly plump black-haired girl who works for me. That would be dumb. But if I was the President of the United States that is married and have an affair with a pleasantly plump black-haired girl who works for me, then that would be stupid.

Both wrong but, the ramefications are different.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 08:52 AM
No they go to different levels of jail. A guy with over due parking tickets wont be in the same cell as Charles Manson. There are different detention centers, from local jails where you go when your picked up for PI, to the state pen you go to when you shoot someone in the head. There are different levels. Also, you have to remember, this is all allegations. It is being investigaed, and has yet to be proven.
When you're being processed in most all go togther.
1. Night at a sub-station if you don't go directly. Maybe some separation.
2. Ride to county. Everyone crammed into a van, hand-cuffed to each other typically.
3. Holding tank #1, everyone together still.
4. Strip-search #1, they check everything but genatails and a-holes. Everyone together for that.
5. Holding tank #2 is where there can be some separation but typically it's for repeat offenders and those who have bond peding.
6. Holding tank where you get your orange out-fits. Everyone has to get naked. %100 strip searched.
7. The last tank before you either go upstairs or across the street is where you tell them stuff that need to know like, are gay, in any gangs, etc...
** this much could take up to 48-72 hours to get done **
8. Then you get separated. People with unpaid tix still have to mingle with bad people though.
9. The last tank you see when you're being released is also a hold one/hold all until it's time to go.
Just better hope the computers don't go down or that it's not a holiday weekend, or else it takes twice as long.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 08:58 AM
You wish...
You're right, I do.
I also wish the Heisman was voted on after the National Champioship Game too.

jacquescas
04-24-2006, 09:18 AM
i hope he gets stripped of the heisman cause he will also get stripped of the jinx:yahoo:

jacquescas
04-24-2006, 09:19 AM
did he break a law or did he break NCAA rules?

Rovator
04-24-2006, 11:55 AM
All he did was break NCAA rules.

Anyways, this is overblown, especially since it was given to him by someone not affiliated with USC. You do realize that football athletes at almost every major D-I school get handouts. Now, it is certainly not big as a 700k+ house, but there are tons of players at USC, Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Tech, etc. that have received free items such as cars, preferential treatment in classrooms, "free passes" from the police, and tons of other things.

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 12:04 PM
but there are tons of players at USC, Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, Tech, etc. that have received free items such as cars, preferential treatment in classrooms, "free passes" from the police, and tons of other things.

allegedly ;) Who the heck would Tech be paying anyway?

Seriously, we're talking a $750K house. This is pretty much sticking your nose in it as far as humanly possible. The occasional pair of cowboy boots is one thing. Borrowing a car for a few weeks a little bit more. But a $750K house with a view over SD (and a cement block in the driveway with your family name and 2005 on it?) Sorry, it's a major violation of NCAA rules. Not a crime, but it does bring into question the guy's character when him and his family have appearently cheated the rules (and run the risk of having his team forfeit games).

SteelBlueToro
04-24-2006, 12:37 PM
All he did was break NCAA rules.
Isn't there an ongoing investigation? Kind of quick to convict at this point, aren't you?

chuckm
04-24-2006, 12:57 PM
Didnt Vince Young cheat his way through college and teachers just pass him because he was doing good for the football team? How does vince deserve the trophy in the first place? You have to wonder with such a low IQ score Vince has how the hell did he pass through college....
:ok:

oh jeeeeeeeeeez .... can we get a Mod over here?

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 01:02 PM
oooooo so he wanted to help out his family to get them a good place by breaking a few rules. I mean hasn't anyone broken a few rules lately? Yes it is wrong what he did but I bet you there are other players in college excepting this type of gifts from colleges. Didnt Vince Young cheat his way through college and teachers just pass him because he was doing good for the football team? How does vince deserve the trophy in the first place? You have to wonder with such a low IQ score Vince has how the hell did he pass through college....
:ok:
Come back when your posts have a little more substance to them.

If he wanted to help his family out then he should've pointed them in the direction of the welfare office. That's where all the other po folk go. 1 year, that's all they had to wait was 1 year.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 01:30 PM
Bush-Bandwagon- Why do you refer to Vince in this situstion, have a backbone. your boy is a scab, a cheat, don't point the finger on Vince for this one. Oh and give a little credit to the unversity of Texas, they dont give out handouts. Bush will loose the Hiesman, he will loose his #1 status, and he will loose his chance to be a Texan.

CarrIsFine
04-24-2006, 01:33 PM
Bush will still be the first pick, this just gives the VY crowd a little something to ease the pain and keep them occupied until the commissioner declares:

With the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select: Not VY

Have fun

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 01:54 PM
Bush will still be the first pick, this just gives the VY crowd a little something to ease the pain and keep them occupied until the commissioner declares:

With the first pick of the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select: Not VY

Have fun
Hey, that's cool. We just don't want to bring any negativity to the team. If that means keeping Bush away then so be it.

NONE OF US ARE SAYING TO DRAFT VY, JUST DON"T DRAFT BUSH

TexanSam
04-24-2006, 02:24 PM
Hey, that's cool. We just don't want to bring any negativity to the team. If that means keeping Bush away then so be it.

NONE OF US ARE SAYING TO DRAFT VY, JUST DON"T DRAFT BUSH

Well I want them to draft Bush. If he wants his parents to live in a better house while he is in college. I personally don't think this will bring a whole lot of negativity to the Texans. A month or two after the draft, and this will be a non-issue. Wasn't Antwan Peek charged with not paying child support or something like that? Has that brought a lot of negativity to the team? This in no way affects how good of an athlete he was, or how much potential he has. He's the best prospect in the draft. If his records are thrown out, well he's still the best prospect in the draft. Draft Bush.

Goatcheese
04-24-2006, 02:26 PM
As well as you cannot call it rent if it's free. If every player did this.........you know what I'm getting at.

The article I read was wrong, my bad should have checked more than 1. :embarrass

Does Barry Bonds desreve a free pass? Should Pete Rose have already been in the Hall of Fame? Should Ricky Williams be allowed to "twist one" on the sideline when the going gets tough? Should Bob Knight be allowed to choke all of his players?

Getting a perk for being an athlete and being aloud to artificially enhance your ability is completely different. I don't really care what Ricky does in his spare time, but using illegal substances on national TV is probably a bad message to send to the children. :)

And the NCAA rules are crappy in these circumstances. The NCAA makes gobbs of money off of these kids and some of them live in down right poverty. It does look bad, but its not roids, he didnt wave a gun at people, he didnt beat and rape a stripper, he isnt a drug addict or drug dealer, his parents ALLEGEDLY accepted a house from a guy who wanted his buddy to be Bushes agent. I just dont think its that big of a deal.


Strippers are not part of their fraternity of the educated elite. :rolleyes: They would rather cover that up than face alittle embarrassment. If the stripper being assaulted is the daughter of a school alumni it's even easier to hide. But accepting free stuff needs to be brought to light and the guilty crusified, and maby even tickled with feathers.

The NCAA also gives them a free education and an opportunity to make gobs of money.


Some of them get a free education, and alot of them don't finish it because they need money and declare for the draft A.S.A.P. The NCAA's primary goal should be to graduate athletes, not inforce stupid rules to insure the "purity" of college sports. Sadly that isn't the case. In a perfect world athletes would be criticised for wasting the schools tuition money by dropping out to join the NFL. It's like marijuana. It doesn't affect anyone except the smoker, and if it wasn't illegal no one would care or even notice.

Yes cheater may not be the operable word. Maybe we can use the following to placate your semantic palate- rulebreaker, dishonest, trickster, deceiver, beguiler, slickster.


I prefer "Evil Overlord from the 5th Dimension!" It's the only suitable title for some one so vile and evil as to accept free gifts.

Didnt Vince Young cheat his way through college and teachers just pass him because he was doing good for the football team? How does vince deserve the trophy in the first place? You have to wonder with such a low IQ score Vince has how the hell did he pass through college....


That's kinda harsh don't you think? Not to mention slander.
It's generally a good idea not to accuse people of things until there's some evidence. Things go smoother that way. I'm sure Vince got lots of perks as the chosen son, but I doubt if it went as far as cheating to keep him eligible. In any case, I'm a firm believer that a mentaly handicapped person could get a masters degree if they worked hard enough. College is 90% effort and 10% intelligence.

I just don't see what the uproar is all about. Having a house didn't make him a better athlete, it didn't make him do better in school, and it didn't affect anyone else. "The N.C. double A-Holes" (Paraphrase from "The Program") have tons of rules that get broken every day. They just don't care unless there is publicity involved. Why is it OK for law firms to give gifts and free trips, even token jobs to students in order to attract the best talent, but if it's an athlete they suddenly get angry?But rule makers love to pass as many rules as possible, it makes them feel like they're doing something. Kind of like the NFL competition commity. How long before the game is so bogged down in rules that we have a flag thrown every play?

:penalty: "Touching an opposing player, 15 yard penalty, automatic 1st down!"

Give me a break. Until he's actually proved guilty of something no team is going to change his draft stock. It's like the allegations against the Texas players before the Rose Bowl, they were not proven yet, and so they played. But in this day and age it's guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the media(Duke scandal).

Texansfan30
04-24-2006, 02:30 PM
Uh guys.

Not to excuse any bad behavior, but from what I saw (maybe I am wrong), he didn't GET a house. His family lived in a house owned by an agent.

They received the benefit of living there, but didn't receive the house. Is that correct?

whiskeyrbl
04-24-2006, 02:33 PM
From what I hear his family was leasing the house,and his agents have nothing to do with it. And of course they moved out this weekend they're moving to HOUSTON!!!!!!!!!:yahoo:
Also isn't it funny how the story breaks in the week of the draft. The guy that wrote the story didn't convince me that something was done illegaly.

Dr. Toro
04-24-2006, 02:40 PM
Uh guys.

Not to excuse any bad behavior, but from what I saw (maybe I am wrong), he didn't GET a house. His family lived in a house owned by an agent.

They received the benefit of living there, but didn't receive the house. Is that correct?

Well they put their name in the driveway and moved in shortly after it was built. So, it doesn't seem like the typical rental situation. The Yahoo guy who broke it said in an interview on Cold Pizza today that he's been researching it for a good while and didn't find anything that led him to believe it wasn't a free stay or something to that effect.

Janus3
04-24-2006, 02:46 PM
Well at least Reggie aint stupid. Yes and Carr is not the problem we did go 8-8 in 2004. I am glad we are keeping him.

EXACTLY. and is it no suprise when we went 8-8 carr was sacked the least amount of times in his career? give the man some time to stand up and he'll win, with bush, he'll win more.

infantrycak
04-24-2006, 02:49 PM
The Texans went 7-9 in 2004.

TexansLucky13
04-24-2006, 03:01 PM
Heh. I've never done it before, but I think both Frank_the_tank and Superstar are gunna get some negative rep points from me. Both you of you should think about what you type before you type it. There is something called tact, and its very important that you remember to use it.

Do you know what all of this means for Reggie Bush? Nothing. Even if he loses the Heisman it is far too close to Draft Day to change the fact that he will be the 1st pick. He didn't lie. He didn't cheat. It was a technicality that some Yahoo nerd picked up on, and now all the Vince Young enthusiasts are going to have the time of their lives bashing Reggie for this. The only people that can get hurt for this are USC and Pac-10. It's not like the guy maliciously lied, cheated and stole to get to his position. On the football field, there is no lying. He kicks butt on the field, and it has nothing to do with some small detail about where he lived his Junior year.

Don't compare this to Barry Bonds. Bonds is a deadbeat. I hope he gets bumped out of the League before he breaks the HR record. He knew the rules and he lied and cheated anyways. There is no evidence to show that Bush lied about this. It was overlooked.

kbourda
04-24-2006, 03:15 PM
I'll be the first to say college athletes should be paid. Wether this holds up to be true or not (Bush's situation), it is of no consequence. To think this sheds a negative light on Bush is funny. Much like I think all the things people are holding against Young is funny in the same way. The NFL and NCAA are two individual companies (at least that's what they would like for us all to believe) so this is not an issue for the NFL.

Now as far as "fans" attempting to belittle this (Bush's incident)is extremely laughable. Would any of you bash the source or anyone else if the player was Young? I would like to think not. Look things like this happen. Just take the bad along with the good.

PapaL
04-24-2006, 03:31 PM
Well they put their name in the driveway and moved in shortly after it was built. So, it doesn't seem like the typical rental situation. The Yahoo guy who broke it said in an interview on Cold Pizza today that he's been researching it for a good while and didn't find anything that led him to believe it wasn't a free stay or something to that effect.

Once I carved my name in a tree in an apartment complex I lived at, does that the whole complex mine? Another time I put my hand print on a patch of wet cement on the sidewalk, do I own it now? Making a mountain out of a mole hill here people.

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 04:01 PM
It's not just a case of 2 mph over the speed limit. We're looking at accepting a $750K home from an agent that they f'n etched their name in the sidewalk (not a temporary lease situation). If this goes unpunished, then the NCAA is truly a joke and its rules (about not taking money or other gifts or renumeration from a professional sports agent) are irrelevent. I personally think this reflects badly on Reggie Bush (blaming this solely on the family is just too convenient and it's naive). It is without question worse than anything said about Vince. This is a character and honesty issue - not a question of Wonderlik scores or 40 times. It's similar to the Clarett situation in that Reggie went along with this deal at great risk to his own career and worse - at risk to the team he was playing for. I really think you have to question the value Bush brings to the table overall. I'm honestly not sure that he's a real "team" guy. And the value of good chemistry should not be understated. From a safer pick perspective, this makes me more interested in a guy like Mario Williams.

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 04:07 PM
Once I carved my name in a tree in an apartment complex I lived at, does that the whole complex mine? Another time I put my hand print on a patch of wet cement on the sidewalk, do I own it now? Making a mountain out of a mole hill here people.

Full grown adults put their family name and date in the driveway concrete of the house they were renting??? Is this what you were saying?? Obviously, they were intending to keep this house. That's the point. My landlord would have sh!t a brick if I'd put my name on a permanent block of concrete in the front of his house.

Maybe it's a molehill to fans of professional sports - and maybe it doesn't affect the Texans decision. But it does raise honest questions about this guy's character. This would have been treated MUCH DIFFERENTLY if this deal had been uncovered prior to the Rose Bowl. Reggie likely would have been suspended from the game pending the investigation. A good teammate doesn't pull sh!t like this before a big game. Honestly he allegedly did this - accepting value from a sports agent - even before USC's season started. Sorry for the rant, but I am surprised how quickly people have come to accept this crap (mostly for reasons of skepticism or some odd sympathy for these future millionaires).

mexican_texan
04-24-2006, 04:15 PM
We should draft Vince Young because he doesn't make deals with the devil like Reggie. :)

Marcus
04-24-2006, 04:26 PM
Yes cheater may not be the operable word. Maybe we can use the following to placate your semantic palate- rulebreaker, dishonest, trickster, deceiver, beguiler, slickster.

Call him a low life if you want, just get used to him being a Houston Texan. It ain't gonna effect his draft status, so all you VY humpers can choke on your false hopes.

PapaL
04-24-2006, 05:30 PM
Full grown adults put their family name and date in the driveway concrete of the house they were renting??? Is this what you were saying?? Obviously, they were intending to keep this house. That's the point. My landlord would have sh!t a brick if I'd put my name on a permanent block of concrete in the front of his house.

Which one of these three is more likely to write something in cement?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051208/images/reggie2.jpg


Maybe it's a molehill to fans of professional sports - and maybe it doesn't affect the Texans decision. But it does raise honest questions about this guy's character. This would have been treated MUCH DIFFERENTLY if this deal had been uncovered prior to the Rose Bowl. Reggie likely would have been suspended from the game pending the investigation. A good teammate doesn't pull sh!t like this before a big game. Honestly he allegedly did this - accepting value from a sports agent - even before USC's season started. Sorry for the rant, but I am surprised how quickly people have come to accept this crap (mostly for reasons of skepticism or some odd sympathy for these future millionaires).

HE accepted nothing, he was probably living in the dorms at the time. If the story would have broken a week before the Rose Bowl, he still would have started it and his parents would have been benched. Lets stick to something with substance; did he murder someone, claim things were stolen, beat his girlfriend, get high durning a game, get a hooker and a DUI before kickoff? Please. Hate'em or love'em, he's still going to be on top (of the draft).

Mike Kerns
04-24-2006, 05:32 PM
Call him a low life if you want, just get used to him being a Houston Texan. It ain't gonna effect his draft status, so all you VY humpers can choke on your false hopes.
:lol:

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 06:03 PM
Which one of these three is more likely to write something in cement?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051208/images/reggie2.jpg
craig james?

BradK10
04-24-2006, 06:15 PM
Big B man you're classless. Call the guy a chump if he runs away, but the guy has showed up for every interview and answered every question. He didn't "cheat" the NCAA. He didn't accept payment to go to USC. California state government should revoke this agents license. Unfortunately agents aren't governed real well. If he's a lawyer, which many agents are, he's also expected to live up to the ethical code that lawyers have. Not saying there is no guilt to Reggie, or I'm not crying that "he's the victim," but there are some shady M.F.'s out there who just look out for their own selfless interest who screw it up for everyone.

Sarg01
04-24-2006, 06:22 PM
It's not just a case of 2 mph over the speed limit.

Good point. There is a difference. Speeding is a crime, and this is not.

We're looking at accepting a $750K home from an agent that they f'n etched their name in the sidewalk (not a temporary lease situation).

If it weren't for the travel, I'd fix the etching for $100. Make a sweet profit on it, too. We ARE talking about a temporary lease. They did not get the title. They no longer live there.


If this goes unpunished, then the NCAA is truly a joke and its rules (about not taking money or other gifts or renumeration from a professional sports agent) are irrelevent.

True, but they were already a joke and irrelevant. I'd imagine the number of NFL-destined players who've gotten deals/gifts/"bell curve"/sex/whatever in recruiting efforts (either by the school or by the agents) is upwards of 50%.

I personally think this reflects badly on Reggie Bush (blaming this solely on the family is just too convenient and it's naive). It is without question worse than anything said about Vince. This is a character and honesty issue - not a question of Wonderlik scores or 40 times.

I don't care about Vince, since the Texans won't be drafting a first-day QB. What's he got to do with anything?

I really think you have to question the value Bush brings to the table overall. I'm honestly not sure that he's a real "team" guy.

That's a big stretch. Professional sports players are constantly accused of actual crimes. Now that would worry me, assuming it was a "big" crime and not speeding :)

BradK10
04-24-2006, 06:23 PM
Ha, whoever said the NCAA would become joke hasn't been around long. They already are a joke. There is absolutely ZERO consistency to their investigations and/or punishments

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 06:27 PM
Ha, whoever said the NCAA would become joke hasn't been around long. They already are a joke. There is absolutely ZERO consistency to their investigations and/or punishments
bingo. exactly why USC won't get in any trouble. if they were troy state or alabama a&m or a non-moneymaker they'd be all over them.

Texans86
04-24-2006, 06:29 PM
bingo. exactly why USC won't get in any trouble. if they were troy state or alabama a&m or a non-moneymaker they'd be all over them.

Or Baylor, who got the equivelent of the basketball death penalty. I think its five years no postseason. And this past year they couldn't play anyone outside of the Big 12. Also happened to SMU football team a little while back I believe. I'm wondering when a big time contender will get something like this.

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 06:32 PM
Or Baylor, who got the equivelent of the basketball death penalty. I think its five years no postseason. And this past year they couldn't play anyone outside of the Big 12. Also happened to SMU football team a little while back I believe. I'm wondering when a big time contender will get something like this.
hasn't ohio state had a few instances of this just in the past few years? i know troy smith had a little thing that got him disqualified for a bowl game, but since then, nothing. with USC, even less will happen.