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whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 05:21 PM
Tonite @ 9:00 on FSN. Wonder if they will give any hints????????:spy:

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 05:22 PM
they're actually going to tell you who they will draft for each pick.

Mike Kerns
04-23-2006, 05:26 PM
THanks. Got it in the TiVo now:redtowel:

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 05:27 PM
they're actually going to tell you who they will draft for each pick.
Good ole sarcasm !!!:pigfly:

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 05:30 PM
i wonder if this will actually talk about the draft? ESPN's draft special mentioned the draft once or twice while talking about michael vick and ray lewis.

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 05:35 PM
I know CC is on there and I think don't quote me but I thought they said RB as well and some others.

bad
04-23-2006, 05:41 PM
I know CC is on there and I think don't quote me but I thought they said RB as well and some others. Oops! Sorry man, my bad.

Mike Kerns
04-23-2006, 07:50 PM
I know CC is on there and I think don't quote me but I thought they said RB as well and some others.
Espn has a draft special tomorrow at 1 & Reggie Bush is going to be on the show.

wolf123
04-23-2006, 09:18 PM
Does anyone have this rick guys mock draft, I don't think theirs any way he got 88 out of the 100 picks right.

CoastalTexan
04-23-2006, 09:21 PM
I'm getting the cowboys draft preview here in san marcos.

Harrisment
04-23-2006, 09:24 PM
I'm getting the cowboys draft preview here in san marcos.

It's the same draft special for everyone. They're starting off with the Cowboys, then discussing the Texans and Saints.

Tulip
04-23-2006, 09:28 PM
Jerry Jones: "I don't think we have the ammo to trade up to #1 to get Vince Young."

I'll take those little consolations where I can get them.

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 09:30 PM
They are doing the Texans now....

Charlie Casserly is on...

FSN - Your team changed, did it change the way you've done business.
CC - Business side, no changes. The types of players wanted have changed. Rating systems, etc...

FSN - What is it going to take to make Carr better.
CC - More talent around him, better protection. We've improved our team this offseason, and will next week in the draft. The new scheme Carr will have to learn will help.

FSN - Offseason signed 8 players.
CC - Don't want to force picks because of need. Eased some of the needs, but still have needs left. We are going to fill some of them.

FSN - Because of the weak WR draft class, is that why you agressively went after Moulds?
CC - Yes, the draft was weak. Some of the prices by some players were to high but we found a good deal with Eric for a 5th rounder.

FSN - Putzier and Moulds going to help?
CC - Yes, he mentioned our current players. Quality WR opposite AJ. Downfield TE in Putzier. Still have draft to go. We have improved our weapons.

Commerical Break.

CoastalTexan
04-23-2006, 09:32 PM
All they are talking about is Vince Young on this show. btw Casserly looks real sleepy

Harrisment
04-23-2006, 09:33 PM
Jerry Jones: "I don't think we have the ammo to trade up to #1 to get Vince Young."

I'll take those little consolations where I can get them.

He actually said "I don't think we have to ammo to get there" , not "up to #1" but you were close.

cap1
04-23-2006, 09:33 PM
They are doing the Texans now....

Charlie Casserly is on...

FSN - Your team changed, did it change the way you've done business.
CC - Business side, no changes. The types of players wanted have changed. Rating systems, etc...

FSN - What is it going to take to make Carr better.
CC - More talent around him, better protection. We've improved our team this offseason, and will next week in the draft. The new scheme Carr will have to learn will help.

FSN - Offseason signed 8 players.
CC - Don't want to force picks because of need. Eased some of the needs, but still have needs left. We are going to fill some of them.

FSN - Because of the weak WR draft class, is that why you agressively went after Moulds?
CC - Yes, the draft was weak. Some of the prices by some players were to high but we found a good deal with Eric for a 5th rounder.

FSN - Putzier and Moulds going to help?
CC - Yes, he mentioned our current players. Quality WR opposite AJ. Downfield TE in Putzier. Still have draft to go. We have improved our weapons.

Commerical Break.

Thanks for the info.

samomin
04-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Yawn! I guess we won't hear anything new until Saturday unless we sign the first pick beforehand.

Tulip
04-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Casserly is totally trying to get the Bush camp motivated to sign by asserting that they aren't getting trade offers.

Harrisment
04-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Casserly said they haven't had any trade offers, and can't predict the future. Said he thought there would have been more nibbling by this point if they were going to get an offer.

Tulip
04-23-2006, 09:36 PM
He actually said "I don't think we have to ammo to get there" , not "up to #1" but you were close.

Well, I did add portions of the question into his "quote", because otherwise it wouldn't have made sense. I remember the interviewer asking if he would trade up to #1 to get Vince.

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 09:36 PM
NFL Draft after Commercial Break.

Charlie Casserly is still there.

FSN - Welcome back. Charlie is joining us. Tremendous amount of pressure to take VY. Does that come into effect.
CC - There has been a lot of VY interest here in Houston, goes into VY background. Excitement is understood. You can't do a poll to pick your player. Must take a player to help your team the most.

FSN - Any trade offers?
CC - Not yet. I was expecting more nibbling now. I don't know if we're going to. Say N.O. wanted to take Matt Leinart, then things could heat up.

FSN - What makes top 3 players special - Bush
CC - Reggie Bush - Instant Explosion, big play ability. Mario willaims - Big time pass rusher, can get off ball quickly, hasn't reached growth potential. D'brick - outstanding LT prospect, long arms, good explosion, hard to find left tackles. All 3 players are outstanding players.

FSN - You have 5 picks in first 98? what do you expect?
CC - 1st player will be an impact player. 2nd round is scary. Sometimes you get guys with 1st round ability. Worried about what will be there. Feels good with what will be there in the 3rd round. Probably will trade one to pick up an extra in the 4th. 4th round pick is a trade pick.

And that is all she wrote.

Tulip
04-23-2006, 09:38 PM
Lots of Vince talk, but I'm not really surprised. This is regional coverage after all, and frankly, even national coverage has turned fairly Vince-heavy in the past week or so.

bdiddy
04-23-2006, 09:39 PM
Did you hear Charlie mention the first pick in the 4th round?

Possibility of using that pick to trade up to the first round. Maybe 4th and 33rd pick to get around 15. I think they are targeting someone in this range.

Any ideas? Winston Justice?

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 09:40 PM
Did you hear Charlie mention the first pick in the 4th round?

Possibility of using that pick to trade up to the first round. Maybe 4th and 33rd pick to get around 15. I think they are targeting someone in this range.

Any ideas? Winston Justice?

I doubt the 4th pick and the 33rd will get us up to 15. Probably somewhere between 25-32

Lucky
04-23-2006, 09:42 PM
NFL Draft after Commercial Break.
FSN - You have 5 picks in first 98? what do you expect?
CC - 1st player will be an impact player. 2nd round is scary. Sometimes you get guys with 1st round ability. Worried about what will be there. Feels good with what will be there in the 3rd round. Probably will trade one to pick up an extra in the 4th. 4th round pick is a trade pick.

Nice recap, dude.

The 4th rounder can be used to move up into the 1st from #33, or used to trade back and pick up the missing 5th round pick.

bdiddy
04-23-2006, 09:42 PM
I doubt the 4th pick and the 33rd will get us up to 15. Probably somewhere between 25-32

We are going to trade the first pick on the second day to move up 3 or 4 spots? Maybe, but I think you would be surprised, high trade value is almost exclusively in the top 5 (this year may 8-10 considering the depth available).

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 09:45 PM
We are going to trade the first pick on the second day to move up 3 or 4 spots? Maybe, but I think you would be surprised, high trade value is almost exclusively in the top 5 (this year may 8-10 considering the depth available).

Draft Value Chart (http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm)
33rd Pick - 580
97th Pick - 112
Total - 692.

26th Pick - 700
27th Pick - 680

15th Pick - 1050

We would have to throw in our 3rd round pick(either one) valued at 265 and 260, and we still wouldn't reach the 1050 plateau for the 15th pick.

Johnny Utah
04-23-2006, 09:46 PM
The top pick in the 4th round will have the most value after all GM's go home when the 1st day of the draft is over and start getting excited about a particular player. Our 4th won't be dealt until the second day.

bdiddy
04-23-2006, 09:48 PM
Most likely it would include trading our 4th and switching 3rd rounders. Lots of people love to have the first pick of the second day of the draft.

bdiddy
04-23-2006, 09:49 PM
Draft Value Chart (http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pick_value_chart.htm)
33rd Pick - 580
97th Pick - 112
Total - 692.

26th Pick - 700
27th Pick - 680

15th Pick - 1050

We would have to throw in our 3rd round pick(either one) valued at 265 and 260, and we still wouldn't reach the 1050 plateau for the 15th pick.

Please stop with the draft chart, it is complete ******

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 09:51 PM
Please stop with the draft chart, it is complete ******

Yeah, making sense with something of substance sure is.

Last year the Texans moved down two spots and picked up a 3rd rounder. There's no way we move up 17 spots for our 2nd rounder and a 4th.

edo783
04-23-2006, 09:52 PM
The 1st pick in the 4th in this draft is a real valulable pick. Someone will fall out of the 1st day that no one ever expected to and will be a real talent/value. Might be a good fit for us, or someone might get excited and offer a good deal to get him. Not a pick to discard lightly IMO.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-23-2006, 09:54 PM
4th round picks have a fairly high success rate because that is usually when teams tend to draft based on need.

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 10:12 PM
Team Player Pos. School
1. Houston Reggie Bush HB Southern California
Comment: Best offensive player on the board
2. New Orleans Mario Williams DE North Carolina State
Comment: Best defensive player on the board
3. Tennessee Vince Young QB Texas
Comment: Houston owner, Houston quarterback
4. N.Y. Jets Matt Leinart QB Southern California
Comment: Giants have Manning, Jets need a headliner, too
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk LB Ohio State
Comment: Safest pick on the draft board
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis TE Maryland
Comment: His 4.38 speed can stretch defenses
7. Oakland Michael Huff S Texas
Comment: The Raiders need a defensive playmaker
8. Buffalo D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
Comment: Bills allowed 43 sacks in 2005
9. Detroit Brodrick Bunkley DT Florida State
Comment: Active nose tackle in Warren Sapp mold
10. Arizona Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
Comment: Kurt Warner not getting any younger
11. St. Louis Jimmy Williams CB Virginia Tech
Comment: Rams need a shut-down corner
12. Cleveland Ernie Sims LB Florida State
Comment: Browns need defensive playmakers
13. Baltimore Haloti Ngata DT Oregon
Comment: The Ravens never did replace Tony Siragusa
14. Philadelphia Jonathan Joseph CB South Carolina
Comment: NFC East loaded with giant receivers
15. Denver Laurence Maroney HB Minnesota
Comment: Broncos cut leading rusher Mike Anderson
16. Miami Chad Greenway LB Iowa
Comment: Dolphins need more athletic linebackers
17. Minnesota Demeco Ryans LB Alabama
Comment:Vikings need linebackers, period
18. Dallas Manny Lawson DE North Carolina State
Comment: A pass rusher to complement DeMarcus Ware
19. San Diego Antonio Cromartie CB Florida State
Comment: NFL's 28th-ranked pass defense needs help
20. Kansas City Kamerion Wimbley DE Florida State
Comment: Wimbley is from down the road in Wichita
21. New England Bobby Carpenter LB Ohio State
Comment: Pats draft a Mike Vrabel clone
22. San Francisco Santonio Holmes WR Ohio State
Comment: His 4.34 speed also stretches defenses
23. Tampa Bay Winston Justice OT Southern California
Comment: Bucs allowed 41 sacks last year
24. Cincinnati Tye Hill CB Clemson
Comment: NFL's 26th-ranked pass defense gets help
25. N.Y. Giants Donte Whitner S Ohio State
Comment: Giants need a playmaker at back end
26. Chicago Jason Allen S Tennessee
Comment: Chicago's historical credo Defense first
27. Carolina LenDale White HB Southern California
Comment: Panthers replace Stephen Davis
28. Jacksonville Nick Mangold C Ohio State
Comment: Toughens up one of NFL's best lines
29. N.Y. Jets DeAngelo Williams HB Memphis
Comment: Curtis Martin has lost a step
30. Indianapolis Joe Addai HB LSU
Comment: The Colts need to replace Edgerrin James
31. Seattle Chad Jackson WR Florida
Comment: Another WR named Jackson from Florida
32. Pittsburgh Tamba Hali DE Penn State
Comment: NFL champions add Big Ten sack leader
This is Ricks' Picks'

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 10:40 PM
Please stop with the draft chart, it is complete ******
except every NFL team uses it.

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 11:20 PM
Well Cass said there have been no trade offers up to now. I suppose that means none worth while. He also said in RD 1 you look for an impact player, Rd 2 he said is scary because your not sure what is there. Made a reference to trading one of our 3 rd picks and that the 4th rd pick is a trade pick to maybe move up.Also said when asked about VY and the people in Houston excited about the thought of him playing here said, that he is a great player and playmaker,but you don't make your picks on a popularity vote by fans.

Now it could get interesting say we move up to #53 from Wash. for our #66 and #97we could pick between OL- Taitusi Lutui OG USC,Colledge OT Boise ST., TE Mercedes Lewis UCLA,or on defense @ DE Daryll Tapp Virg. Tech, Tamba Hall Penn St.,or @ LB Gerris Wilkerson Geor. Tech, Rocky McIntosh Mia.,Thomas Howard UTEP, or @ CB Devin Hester Mia. or Cedric Griffen UT. Man that move up would be nice.But what would you do if we had this dilema?
My picks would go:
#1 Bush RB USC
#33 Winston OT Mia.
#53 Wilkerson LB Geo.Tech
#65 Watkins S FSU
#173 BPA
#240 BPA
Just my assesment,how about yours. Keep it or Trade IT?

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 11:22 PM
You already started a thread about this 6 hours ago.....
http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=21518

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 11:24 PM
This is more on the possibility of the trading of the 4th rd pick. If it needs to go under the other then will the Mods please move this.

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 11:27 PM
This is more on the possibility of the trading of the 4th rd pick. If it needs to go under the other then will the Mods please move this.

I like the 4th round pick we have. I'd rather not use that pick to move up if it's possible.

Lucky
04-23-2006, 11:30 PM
The 1st pick in the 4th in this draft is a real valulable pick. Someone will fall out of the 1st day that no one ever expected to and will be a real talent/value.
Just for the heck of it, I looked up some of the past first picks of the 4th round.

'05 Sean Considine Eagles SS Iowa
'04 Reggie Torbor Giants OLB Auburn
'03 Dennis Weathersby Bengals CB Oregon State
'02 Jonathan Wells Texans RB Ohio State
'01 Kenyatta Jones Patriots T South Florida
'00 Lewis Sanders Browns CB Maryland
'99 Paul Miranda Colts CB Central Florida
'98 Steve McKinney Colts G Texas A&M
'97 Damon Denson Patriots G Michigan
'96 Jason Odom Buccaneers T Florida
'95 Rob Johnson Jaguars QB USC

Interestingly, three were on the Texans roster last season. If this is he typical player taken at this point in the draft, I'd trade back for a 2 for 1 deal. If possible.

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 11:32 PM
Just for the heck of it, I looked up some of the past first picks of the 4th round.

'05 Sean Considine Eagles SS Iowa
'04 Reggie Torbor Giants OLB Auburn
'03 Dennis Weathersby Bengals CB Oregon State
'02 Jonathan Wells Texans RB Ohio State
'01 Kenyatta Jones Patriots T South Florida
'00 Lewis Sanders Browns CB Maryland
'99 Paul Miranda Colts CB Central Florida
'98 Steve McKinney Colts G Texas A&M
'97 Damon Denson Patriots G Michigan
'96 Jason Odom Buccaneers T Florida
'95 Rob Johnson Jaguars QB USC

Interestingly, three were on the Texans roster last season. If this is he typical player taken at this point in the draft, I'd trade back for a 2 for 1 deal. If possible.

Thanks for looking that up. I've swayed a bit on trading the pick now after that bit of info. I do like our history of 4th round picks though...

Goatcheese
04-24-2006, 12:23 AM
Did you hear Charlie mention the first pick in the 4th round?

Possibility of using that pick to trade up to the first round. Maybe 4th and 33rd pick to get around 15. I think they are targeting someone in this range.

Any ideas? Winston Justice?

I would guess a move into the mid 20's to insure Eric Winston. #33 and #98 (#97 is a comp pick to the NY Jets) should be enough to move up as far as 24. If we think he may slip further it might be our 2 3rds and the 4th. If you could get a taker they have enough value to reach #29. The Jets hold that pick and may be looking for a bunch of picks.

Or mayby

Texans
3000 #1
580 #33
260 #66

3840

Jets
1800 #4
850 1st next year
640 #29
550 #35

3840

But I'm probably over thinking this. Too much time till the 29th. :tv:

wolf123
04-24-2006, 02:35 AM
I would guess a move into the mid 20's to insure Eric Winston. #33 and #98 (#97 is a comp pick to the NY Jets) should be enough to move up as far as 24. If we think he may slip further it might be our 2 3rds and the 4th. If you could get a taker they have enough value to reach #29. The Jets hold that pick and may be looking for a bunch of picks.

Or mayby

Texans
3000 #1
580 #33
260 #66

3840

Jets
1800 #4
850 1st next year
640 #29
550 #35

3840

But I'm probably over thinking this. Too much time till the 29th. :tv:


I would jump on that in a heartbeat. WOW! :drool: Thanks for the value of the next year 1st, I was curious what it would be.

Goatcheese
04-24-2006, 02:48 AM
I would jump on that in a heartbeat. WOW! :drool: Thanks for the value of the next year 1st, I was curious what it would be.

It's just an estimate unfortunately. Some teams devalue next years picks by a half a round, some by a full round. It worked out best in my math as a half round.

Maddict5
04-24-2006, 08:22 AM
Now it could get interesting say we move up to #53 from Wash. for our #66 and #97


my exact initial thoughts

Texans Horror
04-24-2006, 08:34 AM
I would guess a move into the mid 20's to insure Eric Winston. #33 and #98 (#97 is a comp pick to the NY Jets) should be enough to move up as far as 24. If we think he may slip further it might be our 2 3rds and the 4th. If you could get a taker they have enough value to reach #29. The Jets hold that pick and may be looking for a bunch of picks.


This is exactly what I thought when I heard "trade fourth rounder." More mocks are showing Winston gone by the second round. I could see them trying to trade up to take Eric.

Trap_Star
04-24-2006, 08:11 PM
NFL Draft after Commercial Break.

Charlie Casserly is still there.

FSN - Welcome back. Charlie is joining us. Tremendous amount of pressure to take VY. Does that come into effect.
CC - There has been a lot of VY interest here in Houston, goes into VY background. Excitement is understood. You can't do a poll to pick your player. Must take a player to help your team the most.

FSN - Any trade offers?
CC - Not yet. I was expecting more nibbling now. I don't know if we're going to. Say N.O. wanted to take Matt Leinart, then things could heat up.

FSN - What makes top 3 players special - Bush
CC - Reggie Bush - Instant Explosion, big play ability. Mario willaims - Big time pass rusher, can get off ball quickly, hasn't reached growth potential. D'brick - outstanding LT prospect, long arms, good explosion, hard to find left tackles. All 3 players are outstanding players.
FSN - You have 5 picks in first 98? what do you expect?
CC - 1st player will be an impact player. 2nd round is scary. Sometimes you get guys with 1st round ability. Worried about what will be there. Feels good with what will be there in the 3rd round. Probably will trade one to pick up an extra in the 4th. 4th round pick is a trade pick.

And that is all she wrote.

Interesting....That tells me that Ferguson is #3 on their board. :drool:
If we trade down its for Ferguson, otherwise we take either Bush or Williams at #1.:yahoo: