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texansfaninla
04-23-2006, 12:53 PM
Here's a story on today's Yahoo! Sports page about Reggie Bush's family receiving a home from a sports agent prior to kickoff of the last college football season. I have no idea what kind of trouble this presents for Bush or USC, but it's interesting:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Av.clbIsDNxaquvTAKctEcNDubYF?slug=cr-bush042306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Napa Auto Parts
04-23-2006, 01:00 PM
im sure its a fake storie im sure someone coming from a low income family would of not put there moral values on the line like that.:stirpot:

Tale Gator
04-23-2006, 01:03 PM
If I were poor I would want my family to live in a nice home -- even if I bent the rules. They would have to be living in a dangerous ghetto shack though. The question -- was Reggie and his family so poor they needed a $750,000 home to live in? That is a California price so we might be talking about a house that would be a $150,000 in Houston. I'm not being very clear here, but I hope Reggie didn't move his middle class family to a nicer home just to take advantage of his situation at USC.

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 01:05 PM
it'd be trouble for USC, not bush.

Tale Gator
04-23-2006, 01:06 PM
It might be trouble for both, but it's more on USC than Bush -- it won't effect the draft at all.

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 01:15 PM
If you actually read the article the guy was not a "sports agent" until after he rented out to RB's Parents. Bassically the story goes as the guy rented out to the parents then when he realized who they where tried to pimp RB out and then formed his own company that never got of the ground.

So if you are a college athlete and your parents "rent" be carefull because the guy could become an "agent" after the fact and get your son into hot water.

Snapple
04-23-2006, 01:18 PM
I'm not going to speculate on the issue until I see more details unfold.

Looks like trouble for USC though. If they were innocent, why would the family move out of the house within 24 hours so abruptly like that?

Tulip
04-23-2006, 01:26 PM
right, not much they can do if it is tue, had nothing to do with Reggie himself, his family did not go to USC.

No, the reason it's not going to have an effect on Reggie is because he's no longer a USC player. If he were returning for his senior season, USC and Bush would be in trouble.

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 01:26 PM
If it is true, it could be a ding on his character and hurt his endorsements and may hurt his leverage on the signing bonus.

Daonly
04-23-2006, 01:29 PM
Who Cares... They did it through a (Loop Hole). It's like hey Man.. I like the way you sing. Move in with me, and when your contract over with So N Do Records.. i'll form my Record Label and so They can't sue when you sign with me.Reggie Bush got a House for his family from a guy at the time who wasn't a sports agent. No contracts was signed. He probally was charing them like $100 a month for rent; and Just for them to pay utilities. Surley Reggie Bush going to pay the guy for all of the rent and etc, When he gets his bonus.

MikeMc
04-23-2006, 01:29 PM
It will mean Bush will slide in the draft because of "character" issues. Now it is more clear that the Texans will draft Mario!

3000 sq ft for $750,000 in Cali is nothing.....my wife's cousin has a home in San Jose, and it is roughly 3000 sq ft, valued at $1.3 mil.

That would equate to a $200k home in most of the GHA. As they say..location, location, location.

We sold our house in January for $190k (2900 sq ft)....down in League City.

However, we purchased our new home (4500 sq ft) in Spring for $300k. Difference, old home was a Perry, new home is a Meritage. Location and builder make a huge difference......so says Capt. Obvious!

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 01:30 PM
I'm not going to speculate on the issue until I see more details unfold.

Looks like trouble for USC though. If they were innocent, why would the family move out of the house within 24 hours so abruptly like that?Maybe he was not an "agent" when the moved in to the house. Read the article will ya.

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 01:37 PM
So yes you are agreeing with me.Read the story will ya.

Tulip
04-23-2006, 01:38 PM
So yes you are agreeing with me.

No- you said the reason he wouldn't be in trouble was because his family lived in the house, not him.

Tale Gator
04-23-2006, 01:42 PM
If it is true, it could be a ding on his character and hurt his endorsements...

He may have to go with Powerade instead of Gatorade.

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 01:42 PM
You guys really need to read the story. The owner of the house is not an agent. He tried to sell Bush to an agent months after Reggie's parents moved in. It never worked. End of story. The guy saw money and it was thrown back in his face when they found out about it.

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 01:46 PM
He may have to go with Powerade instead of Gatorade.
or All Sport.

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 01:50 PM
Who Cares... They did it through a (Loop Hole). It's like hey Man.. I like the way you sing. Move in with me, and when your contract over with So N Do Records.. i'll form my Record Label and so They can't sue when you sign with me.Reggie Bush got a House for his family from a guy at the time who wasn't a sports agent. No contracts was signed. He probally was charing them like $100 a month for rent; and Just for them to pay utilities. Surley Reggie Bush going to pay the guy for all of the rent and etc, When he gets his bonus.

http://www.niagara.edu/compliance/NCAARules-ExtraBenefits.htm

EXTRA BENEFITS PRE-EXISTING RELATIONSHIPS

Boosters are prohibited from providing any type of benefit to a current or prospective student-athlete. NCAA Bylaw 12.1.1.1.6 prohibits preferential treatment, benefits or services because of the individual's athletics reputation or skill or pay-back potential as a professional athlete, unless such treatment, benefits or services are specifically permitted under NCAA legislation.

The only exception to this rule is if there is a clear preexisting relationship between the booster and the student-athlete. The NCAA membership services staff reviewed the application of NCAA Bylaw 12.1.1.1.6 as it relates to factual situations in which an individual (student-athlete or prospective student-athlete) has received benefits prior to collegiate enrollment from someone other than a family member or legal guardian, and agreed that the following objective guidelines generally should be used in determining whether such benefits are contrary to the legislation:

Did the relationship between the athlete (or the athlete's parents) and the individual providing the benefit(s) develop as a result of the athlete's participation in athletics or notoriety related thereto?

Did the relationship between the athlete (or the athlete's parents) and the individual providing the benefit(s) predate the athlete's status as a prospective student-athlete?

Did the relationship between the athlete (or the athlete's parents) and the individual providing the benefit(s) predate the athlete's status achieved as a result of his or her athletics ability or reputation?

Was the pattern of benefits provided by the individual to the athlete (or the athlete's parents) prior to the athlete attaining notoriety as a skilled athlete similar in nature to those provided after attaining such stature?

The subcommittee, however, noted that the origin and duration of a relationship and the consistency of benefits provided during the relationship are key factors in determining whether the benefits provided are contrary to the spirit and intent of Bylaw 12.1.1.1.6. The subcommittee determined that prior to initial full-time collegiate enrollment, a prospective student-athlete may receive normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom the student-athlete has an established relationship (e.g., high-school coach, nonscholastic athletics team coach, family of a teammate), even if the relationship developed as a result of athletics participation, provided:

The individual is not an agent,

The individual is not an athletics representative of a particular institution involved in recruiting the prospect, and

Such living expenses are consistent with the types of expenses provided by the individual as a part of normal living arrangements (e.g., housing, meals, occasional spending money, use of the family car).

The subcommittee noted that the above mentioned interpretation does not apply to individuals who have no logical ties to the prospect. It also noted that a current student-athlete who, prior to initial collegiate enrollment, has been receiving normal and reasonable living expenses from an individual with whom he or she has an established relationship may continue to receive occasional benefits (e.g., meals during campus visits, reasonable entertainment) from an individual or family with whom the student-athlete has an established relationship. Such expenses may not include educational expenses associated with a grant-in-aid (i.e., tuition and fees, room and board, and required course-related books). [References: Bylaws 12.1.1.1.6 (preferential treatment, benefits or services); 15.2.5 (financial aid from outside sources); 16.12.2.4 (preferential treatment)]

TexasJedi
04-23-2006, 01:58 PM
I wonder if this Bush story is what they were referring to:

POSTED 9:24 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:16 p.m. EDT, April 15, 2006

INDIAN RESERVATION LOOKING TO SCALP A FIRST-ROUNDER?

There's a rumor running rampant through agent circles regarding a first-round prospect in the NFL draft who is getting the screws put to him by, of all things, an Indian reservation.

We've heard from multiple agents that an Indian reservation hoping to start a sports agency bought the prospect's parents a house and began to make payments on it. Once the prospect signed with a different agent, the Indians stopped making payments -- and are now threatening to go public.

We've also heard that said prospect has hired a lawyer to deal with the situation.

For now, the player will remain nameless in this space, since we don't know whether it's a wild rumor or whether it's true. We'll leave it to the real journalists out there to run with this one. You know, the guys with real resources and real legal departments and real insurance policies to cover real lawsuits.

Although the folks who made the improper payments would face no NFLPA-imposed discipline since they weren't licensed agents, there could be criminal liability under applicable state law. But the ability to exact revenge on the prospect by disclosing the payments in the days leading up to the draft might justify any consequences the Indians could face.

For the prospect in question, the news -- if true -- is highly unlikely to affect his draft stock. But it could possibly diminish his marketability in off-field pursuits, especially if the payments from the Indian reservation spark a broader inquiry that yields evidence of more extensive payments to the player.

We likely won't say anything more about this one, publicly or privately, until someone else reports on it. And if we learn that the rumor is unfounded, we'll post that information here, too.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

I usually balk at Pro Football Talk, but sometimes they are right, or at least partially.

Michaels – who is a member of the Sycuan Indian Tribe and works as a business development officer for the tribe's development corporation – failed to return multiple phone calls and was unavailable when Yahoo! Sports visited his home on three occasions this weekend.

The Sycuan tribe, which owns a casino and resort and is engaged in a number of business enterprises in the San Diego area, denied any knowledge of Michaels' relationship with the Bush family.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Av.clbIsDNxaquvTAKctEcNDubYF?slug=cr-bush042306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

From the Yahoo story.

The Dude Abides
04-23-2006, 02:20 PM
I wonder if this Bush story is what they were referring to:



I usually balk at Pro Football Talk, but sometimes they are right, or at least partially.



From the Yahoo story.

It will be interesting to see how far this goes before the draft. By that I mean will all or most of the information come out in public or will it take a while for it all to come out.

Djjoeyv
04-23-2006, 02:28 PM
You know someone always has something bad to say about someone on top! "Just let the kids play"- Bad News Bears Houston Astrodome

Djjoeyv
04-23-2006, 02:30 PM
Whats up Kaiser Toro, Good to see you here! 2 in the Queue!!!!

whiskeyrbl
04-23-2006, 04:03 PM
NFL | R. Bush's family being investigated by PAC-10
Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:21:28 -0700

Charles Robinson, of Yahoo Sports, reports USC RB Reggie Bush's family is being investigated after they were found living in a 3,000-square-foot house linked to Michael Michaels, a man alleged to have tried steering Bush towards an agent and who has ties of his own to a sports marketing company. NCAA statues prohibit student-athletes or their families from receiving extra benefits from professional sports agents, marketing companies or their representatives. A breach in statutes could result in the athlete being ruled ineligible and all games in which they played could be forfeited. USC athletic department officials looked into it following reporters' questions about the matter. USC athletic director Mike Garrett said, "Rather than jumping to conclusions, we need to determine the facts before commenting on this report. We have asked the Pac-10 to look into this."

bkimble
04-23-2006, 04:21 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



POSTED 5:04 p.m. EDT, April 23, 2006

BUSH FAMILY WAS THE BENEFICIARY OF INDIAN GIVER

Kudos to Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports for being the first to report that USC tailback Reggie Bush is the previously unnamed first-round prospect whose family had been living (free of charge, apparently) in a house paid for by a budding agent from an Indian tribe.

Robinson reports that Bush's family abruptly packed up and moved out of the San Diego home within 24 hours after Yahoo! Sports started asking Bush's mother, Denise Griffin, questions about information linking the house to Michael Michaels, who allegedly has a role in steering Bush toward an agent.

Per Robinson, Michaels is a member of the Sycuan Indian Tribe and a business development officer for the tribe's development corporation. He failed to return multiple calls from Robinson, and claimed to be unavailable when Robinson dropped by his home on three occasions this weekend.

The Sycuan tribe denied any knowledge of Michaels' relationship with the Bush family. The tribe owns a casino and a resort.

Robinson reports that Michaels bought the house in which Bush's family had been living for $757,000 in March 2005. Neighbors told Yahoo! Sports that the Griffins (Bush's stepfather, mother, and brother -- not Peter, Meg, Stewie, etc.) moved in at about that same time. Michaels is the only person listed on the deed, even though an inscription on one of the cement slabs reads "The Griffins '05."

Michaels and an associate named Lloyd Lake reportedly contacted San Diego-based agent David Caravantes regarding the possibility of recruiting Bush. Michaels was looking for an NFLPA-certified agent to handle the football contracts of players that Michaels intended to sign to his marketing firm, which Michaels reportedly planned to launch under the name of "New Era Sports and Entertainment."

Robinson found a potential web site for New Era Sports. Our tech guy Sean has determined via his own Internet sleuthing techniques that the domain was created on November 2, 2005, and that the administrative contact is James Choe of New Era Sports & Entertainment, located at 550 Park Blvd, #27, San Diego, (619) 708-8399. Sean also found a myspace.com profile of a kid from Nebraska who claims that he'll be working for "New Era Sports & Entertainment" in La Jolla, California in May 2006, another myspace profile of a guy who claims to be the "Director of Recruitment" for "New Era Sports Marketing & Entertainment" in San Diego, and the cache of a third myspace profile of a guy known as "Haterproof Homey," who lists "New Era Sports & Entertainment" as one of his "companies."

Finally, Sean found reference to "New Era Sports & Entertainment" as the agency for South Carolina offensive lineman Jabari Levey.

The contact agent? David Caravantes.

Bottom line -- Robinson's report seems to be right on the money.

So what does all of this mean? Not much for Bush. He'll still be drafted where he otherwise would have been drafted. And he'll still likely earn as much money via endorsements as he otherwise would have earned -- unless, of course, the free lodging for his family is merely the tip of a bigger iceberg that expands into a major national story.

Regardless of how it might affect Bush, this whole thing could get very interesting for the folks at Southern Cal. Since the Griffins apparently were living in the house during the 2005 season, the NCAA could eventually rule that Bush was ineligible -- and likewise could require the Trojans to forfeit all of their 2005 victories. Though we doubt for now that such an extreme outcome will result, Robinson reports that USC has referred the matter to the Pac-10 for an investigation.

Our own take on the whole thing is that it was stupid and/or arrogant for the Griffins to think that they could squat in the house bought by Michaels without giving anything to Michaels in return, and without the matter ever coming to light. We've heard that, for the past two months or so, Michaels had been trying to get his money back for the house and/or threatening to take the whole thing public. So why didn't the Griffins get the hell out of the house long before someone showed up and started asking questions?

More importantly, why did they accept free lodging from Michaels in the first place? Did they have no appreciation of the problems it could cause for Bush and the Trojans?

And why wouldn't USC be keeping closer watch on the activities of the family members of the players most likely to be targets for benefits from agents and marketing companies?

Stay tuned for more on this one.

:redtowel:

chuckm
04-23-2006, 04:22 PM
there are like 3 threads on this now

MONARCH
04-23-2006, 04:40 PM
MY OH MY...

...for the once very thick, and yet extremely ominous clouds, that seemed to somehow form just right after the 2005-06 ROSE BOWL -- well, it suddenly seems that they are somehow beginning to part....

....for the BURNT ORANGE SUNSET -- is yet, slowly, but surely, forming above the far horizon......

THE BURNT ORANGE PRIZE is slowly taking shape -- relax, for our HERO IS COMING HOME!
MONARCH

Wolf
04-23-2006, 04:47 PM
MY OH MY...

...for the once very thick, and yet extremely ominous clouds, that seemed to somehow form just right after the 2005-06 ROSE BOWL -- well, it suddenly seems that they are somehow beginning to part....

....for the BURNT ORANGE SUNSET -- is yet, slowly, but surely, forming above the far horizon......

THE BURNT ORANGE PRIZE is slowly taking shape -- relax, for our HERO IS COMING HOME!
MONARCH


when I read your posts I have this guy in mind as a visual
http://www.misterrogers.org/images/mrn/cast/king_friday.jpg

http://www.misterrogers.org/mister_rogers_neighborhood/cast_puppet.asp

bkimble
04-23-2006, 04:47 PM
If this is true its a shame. The Bush family knew a huge payday was coming. Why not wait? I hate greedy people. Why even risk the threat of potential sanctions when all you have to do is wait a year, let Reggie sign a contract worth tens of millions of dollars, Then move into your big *** house.

jreal26
04-23-2006, 04:54 PM
You know someone always has something bad to say about someone on top! "Just let the kids play"- Bad News Bears Houston Astrodome

This is true, the media is always quick to try and implicate someone to bring their image down. Now on the flipside, this is a big red flag in regards to Bush's character if true. If Bush knowingly allowed someone to charge his family below Market rental, or purchase this home outright for them, then this speaks volumes to his character. I have a big problem with him as a man of character if true.... I will say this, if this story were about Vince Young many fans here would be all over it, and it wouldn't be dismissed as nothing!

swtbound07
04-23-2006, 04:58 PM
I could care less man....Im very anti-Bush, and still i say...who cares. I would say the same thing about vince. Still doesnt change the fact that Bush is primed for busting, and we appear to be the team he will do it with.

Porky
04-23-2006, 05:01 PM
I always think of this guy:

http://www.patandal.com/The%20Great%20and%20Powerful%20Oz.jpg

I am the great and powerful Wizard of OZ!


Monarch, come out from behind the screen dude.

HoustonFrog
04-23-2006, 05:05 PM
when I read your posts I have this guy in mind as a visual
http://www.misterrogers.org/images/mrn/cast/king_friday.jpg

http://www.misterrogers.org/mister_rogers_neighborhood/cast_puppet.asp

That is awesome. He and that scary looking queen the trolley took them too. Wow, I'm losing it.:crazy:

tsip
04-23-2006, 05:06 PM
You guys really need to read the story. The owner of the house is not an agent. He tried to sell Bush to an agent months after Reggie's parents moved in. It never worked. End of story. The guy saw money and it was thrown back in his face when they found out about it.

...so how did the Bush family get the house? Read the rules about accepting gifts/favors from anybody, not just an agent--too, a house is no small thing--

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 05:07 PM
MY OH MY...

...for the once very thick, and yet extremely ominous clouds, that seemed to somehow form just right after the 2005-06 ROSE BOWL -- well, it suddenly seems that they are somehow beginning to part....

....for the BURNT ORANGE SUNSET -- is yet, slowly, but surely, forming above the far horizon......

THE BURNT ORANGE PRIZE is slowly taking shape -- relax, for our HERO IS COMING HOME!
MONARCH

Buono sera, Monarch. The fortune that you seek is not lost, but yet an infinitesmal shot of it happening this year. It has been a strong Monarch migration this year and this should incite an optimistic outlook, but not that at the expense of the big picture. The Texans and VY can still co exist apart.

MONARCH
04-23-2006, 05:08 PM
when I read your posts I have this guy in mind as a visual
http://www.misterrogers.org/images/mrn/cast/king_friday.jpg

http://www.misterrogers.org/mister_rogers_neighborhood/cast_puppet.asp

....do you normally visualize/fantasize about men in robes wearing crowns...?

....if so, then to each his own right! I mean, "whatever makes the WOLF HOWL", is ok with me......I just find it somewhat amazing that you would decide to "come out" upon the TEXANS message boards, right before the upcoming 2006 NFL DRAFT.....

HOORAY FOR MANKIND!
MONARCH

Wolf
04-23-2006, 05:14 PM
....do you normally visualize/fantasize about men in robes wearing crowns...?

....if so, then to each his own right! I mean, "whatever makes the WOLF HOWL", is ok with me......I just find it somewhat amazing that you would decide to "come out" upon the TEXANS message boards, right before the upcoming 2006 NFL DRAFT.....

HOORAY FOR MANKIND!
MONARCH

sorry, should have put a #10 on king friday's chest so you would appreciate it.

seriously though, I give all yall props for sticking with your guy, and if the Texans draft VY, well I'll be here to eat some crow.

tsip
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
If you actually read the article the guy was not a "sports agent" until after he rented out to RB's Parents. Bassically the story goes as the guy rented out to the parents then when he realized who they where tried to pimp RB out and then formed his own company that never got of the ground.

So if you are a college athlete and your parents "rent" be carefull because the guy could become an "agent" after the fact and get your son into hot water.


...where do you get this 'rent' stuff from?

Huge
04-23-2006, 05:36 PM
It is a little fishy. But I doubt there will be anything that comes from this. And really, there shouldn't be.

If Bush were still in school, then there'd be a serious issue. Had he not declared for the draft and an investigation uncovered something, at worst he'd be ruled ineligible for the '06 season and would probably make himself available for the supplemental draft.

His family didn't do anything illegal. If somebody offered them a place to stay based on the hopes that the person lending the house would have the opportunity to represent Bush, then that's not illegal. Fishy, yes...but not illegal.

I don't see anything happening to USC. What did they do wrong? If they were aware of the situation and were doing their part to support it, then they might get a slap on the wrist. But I don't see that happening either.

Maybe something of a smudge on Bush's character (if accepting a house is a mark on your character), but I don't see it as a big deal.

jreal26
04-23-2006, 05:57 PM
It is a little fishy. But I doubt there will be anything that comes from this. And really, there shouldn't be.

If Bush were still in school, then there'd be a serious issue. Had he not declared for the draft and an investigation uncovered something, at worst he'd be ruled ineligible for the '06 season and would probably make himself available for the supplemental draft.

His family didn't do anything illegal. If somebody offered them a place to stay based on the hopes that the person lending the house would have the opportunity to represent Bush, then that's not illegal. Fishy, yes...but not illegal.

I don't see anything happening to USC. What did they do wrong? If they were aware of the situation and were doing their part to support it, then they might get a slap on the wrist. But I don't see that happening either.

Maybe something of a smudge on Bush's character (if accepting a house is a mark on your character), but I don't see it as a big deal.

It's totally illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned! It's everything that college athletics is not supposed to be about. An athlete, or his family, cannot receive benefits from boosters, agents, or "friends of the program" in this manner. Bush is the reigning "Heisman Trophy" winner, and it would be a terrible black eye to his character. The fact that he would willingly jeopardize the O5' season for he and his fellow teammates would be extremely Selfish!!! Hopefully this story is not true, but if it is this should raise huge flags regarding this guys' character. This screams of a "Me first!" type of guy! This is a huge investment we're talking about, and the situation will need to be investigated. Hopefully the Texans have done there homework already and decided this is a non issue.

Dr. Toro
04-23-2006, 06:51 PM
This stinks. He's put his alma mater in a horrible position. I hope this doesn't go any deeper. I'm no Reggie fan, but this is a big red flag for a "character organisation". The big compliance issue for USC will concern their knowledge of this situation. This isn't even a gray area thing, this is a Heisman winner receiving enormous benefits from an employee of a tribe with a casino. I don't know how Bush got himself into this situation, but it's hard to imagine doing a dumber thing... he seems like such a sharp kid.

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 06:57 PM
It's totally illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned! It's everything that college athletics is not supposed to be about. An athlete, or his family, cannot receive benefits from boosters, agents, or "friends of the program" in this manner. Bush is the reigning "Heisman Trophy" winner, and it would be a terrible black eye to his character. The fact that he would willingly jeopardize the O5' season for he and his fellow teammates would be extremely Selfish!!! Hopefully this story is not true, but if it is this should raise huge flags regarding this guys' character. This screams of a "Me first!" type of guy! This is a huge investment we're talking about, and the situation will need to be investigated. Hopefully the Texans have done there homework already and decided this is a non issue.Again, read the article. The guy was not an agent never has been. He tried to pimp Bush to an agent on his own time months after the parents moved into the house.

bkimble
04-23-2006, 07:00 PM
How did no journalist in the area not put two and two together on this?? When Vince Young walk down the street in Houston, and give an autograph session, even my grandma seems to know about it a day or two days later. But you tell me that a sports marketing firm/agent/whatever may have bought a house (or at least appear to buy a house) for Reggie Bush's family worth 3 quarters of a million dollars, and they've lived there a good while, with neighbors who fully knew they lived there, and no one in the second most populous city in CA could have even figured that out until now???
Unbelivable! Where's ESPN, now?

Dr. Toro
04-23-2006, 07:02 PM
Again, read the article. The guy was not an agent never has been. He tried to pimp Bush to an agent on his own time months after the parents moved into the house.

There's no doubt it's an improper benefit for an NCAA athlete.

MorKnolle
04-23-2006, 07:56 PM
What probably happened was the one guy complaining was in the running to be Bush's agent and Bush picked someone else (Joel Segal) so this guy is upset and is coming up with a nice little story like this now. If it is true, it definitely would have altered his eligibility to play college football last season, but it won't impact his eligibility for the NFL draft or anything, and I doubt any conclusive decision comes out of any investigation into it anyways (remember LeBron James being investigated for the same kind of thing his senior year of high school when his mom who worked as a janitor or school bus driver or something somehow got approved to buy him a $70,000 Hummer for his birthday and yet they found no wrongdoing in that?) Either way, no one really knows what happened as of now, and the truth likely won't be revealed until well after the draft and won't impact Bush's eligibility anyways, so I doubt it impacts what the Texans do with the #1 pick this Saturday.

jreal26
04-23-2006, 08:04 PM
Again, read the article. The guy was not an agent never has been. He tried to pimp Bush to an agent on his own time months after the parents moved into the house.


It doesn't matter whether the owner of the home was an agent or not! It's an improper gift the family received from Bush's celebrity status as a collegiate athlete. If an athlete receives any benefit such as this it is an NCAA violation no doubt. His family would have to have paid fair market value rental for this house. If not, he and USC, would be in violation of the NCAA eligibility requirements for this past season.

In essence, USC could potentially have to forfeit all the games Reggie played in this past season. How selfish, and stupid would that be of him. I've played college ball, and am very well aware of the many perks superstars receive. But for a high profile athlete to take such a huge gift knowingly, is ridiculous. I sincerely hope this situation isn't true, but it certainly doesn't look good.

As a frame of reference, the NCAA, went back and basically wiped all the wins of the Fab Five Michigan team from the books because of similar "benefits!" Again, I hope this is not true, but this is indeed a huge story that will follow him for a long time if true!

4Texans
04-23-2006, 08:27 PM
Could there be something very "Chris Webber / Michigan" like about this deal?

TexasJedi
04-23-2006, 08:42 PM
sorry, should have put a #10 on king friday's chest so you would appreciate it.

seriously though, I give all yall props for sticking with your guy, and if the Texans draft VY, well I'll be here to eat some crow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/texasjedi/king_fridayvy.jpg

HeroTime
04-23-2006, 09:51 PM
Again to recap. The way it went down. The Parents looking for a place to rent close to the son. Slug buys house and rents it out to parents. Slug then sees more dollar signs and decides to try and open up a sports marketing/ agency. He tries to get Slimeball aboard and hook Son by blackmail. Son says screw off and hires own agent. Slugs business never gets of the ground.

As far as NCAA violations go Slug tried this crap long after renting house out to Parents. Slug was not booster or anyway affiliated with USC, was more of a dime store hood trying to get richer.

tsip
04-23-2006, 10:16 PM
Again to recap. The way it went down. The Parents looking for a place to rent close to the son. Slug buys house and rents it out to parents. Slug then sees more dollar signs and decides to try and open up a sports marketing/ agency. He tries to get Slimeball aboard and hook Son by blackmail. Son says screw off and hires own agent. Slugs business never gets of the ground.

As far as NCAA violations go Slug tried this crap long after renting house out to Parents. Slug was not booster or anyway affiliated with USC, was more of a dime store hood trying to get richer.

Where do you get this renting stuff from? If everything was on the up and up, why did the family bail out within 24 hrs of the confrontation? If they had a lease and proof of rent payments, the house was theirs to live in...if not...

Hervoyel
04-23-2006, 10:38 PM
when I read your posts I have this guy in mind as a visual
http://www.misterrogers.org/images/mrn/cast/king_friday.jpg

http://www.misterrogers.org/mister_rogers_neighborhood/cast_puppet.asp


Interesting. I hadn't thought of that angle. Whenever I see Monarch's posts I always picture this guy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Monarch_01.jpg

Wolf
04-23-2006, 10:41 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/texasjedi/king_fridayvy.jpg

:lol: my original post wasn't to be derogatory, when I see the name monarch and the way the writing was, I had a flashback to Mr Rogers and hear King Friday talking like that..

but that is funny

Wolf
04-23-2006, 10:44 PM
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that angle. Whenever I see Monarch's posts I always picture this guy

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Monarch_01.jpg


that is funny too! :lol:

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:04 AM
After reading about Reggie Bush and Co. having agents purchase a home for them durring his college days makes me sick. What a lack of respect for his team, for his School, and for his fans. What makes me sick is how he presents this I am a good kid, raised right, do the right thing crap. He is a scab, a cheat, and his lack of honesty will probably cost his school big time. What if his team has to forfiet their National Championships because the kid could not follow the rules. Jeremy Bloom from Colorado had his elegibility taken away because of small gifts given during a ski competition but he was honest and he did the right thing.

Grid
04-24-2006, 03:07 AM
#1. Dont point fingers without knowing the whole story.

#2. If he did, in fact, take a free house, I dont see how that makes him "a cheat". Did he cheat at life? I dont think his house was on the field blocking tacklers for him or anything.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:10 AM
Yea it does make him a cheat in life. There are hundreds of great athletes whop play in the NCAA and they dont take "a F-ing House!!!" You are out of your mind if you don't think that is cheating, and his credibility as a person is now shot to crap. It will cost him huge in 5 days!

Grid
04-24-2006, 03:14 AM
you ignored #1. Dont point fingers until you know the whole story.

For example.. just throwing this out there.

What if his dad lost his job, his mother is sick and couldnt work, and he couldnt afford to go to college cause he was gonna have to go find a job so he could help put a roof over his families head.

SO, then lets say that USC said.. no, we need you to play for us, we will give you a house.

Is it against the rules? yes.. is it bad? eh...that is debatable, but lets say yes. Does it make Bush some evil conniving arch-villain that should be shunned by humanity? uh..no.

Personally if I had been in the position I spelled out above, I would take the house, and gladly. I would not give up a college education and a chance to play in the NFL so that I could go work a dead end job and make the bills on some hovel in the worst neighborhood in L.A.. And I would sleep just fine at night too.

Grid
04-24-2006, 03:19 AM
btw, just went and read the article on Yahoo and it was apparently an "agent" or sports marketing company that is accused of possibly buying the house for them.

Whatever the case.. you need more info before you start taking jabs at him.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:23 AM
I dont care if his mom lost her job, dad ran off to Vagas, not a excuse for the guy to take the bribe, lets call it what it is, I buy your parents a house you let me represent you after college. Many athletes have been in much worse situations, plus all his family has to do is seek help from the government just like every other person in this country and they will get unemployment. He is a cheap, and a scab, and if you were in college and your parents rased you right your family would have never let you take that House. He knew he was cheating so I say he deserves no praise, no hiesman, and sure as heck no Texans Uniform!

Grid
04-24-2006, 03:31 AM
yes yes.. your a judgemental person who thinks their **** smells like cinnamon rolls.. i get it.

Wait for the whole story.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:32 AM
The end for Bush has come! Now way we take a cheat, a scab, no way. You people act like this is not a big deal you keep lieing to yourself. This will put a huge mark on his credibility as a person.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 03:34 AM
The Bush-Bandwagon is heading out of Houston, thank goodness!

Janus3
04-24-2006, 03:42 AM
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?

Janus3
04-24-2006, 03:47 AM
well if we don't get bush we'll get mario williams. personally i'm happy either way.

kiwitexansfan
04-24-2006, 03:51 AM
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?

I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.

Janus3
04-24-2006, 03:57 AM
I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.

i understand that, but i'm not 100% sure how this will turn out, but id he did in fact accept gifts he did so but for his parents, not for him. don't know how that would work but technically he didn't accept anything, his parents did. anyway, sounds like someone who tried to cash in on Bush, but then his company failed and Bush signed with someone else, and now he's looking to destroy Bush and USC's image in revenge.

Same story, new athlete.

texman8
04-24-2006, 04:01 AM
I think the point that is trying to be made by these threads is that if it can be established that Bush was involved in these acts, it is a serious breach of NCAA regulations and casts a shadow over his character. Character questions affect draft stock for any player not just RB.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060424/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_reggie_bush_house;_ylt=AmdKDog2X1JbyoK_bUES53Q LMxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

If you read the article carefully, House was built in March 2005. Bush's family moved in shortly afterwards. So if there is eligibilty issues; it will affect only 2005 season....so we know USC DIDN'T WIN ROSE BOWL. This won't affect their previous championships. Heisman Trophy? depends on their bylaws.

Let's wait on this incident to take its course....probably several months.

Chill on your hatred for Bush , Frank.....He'll still go #1.

Janus3
04-24-2006, 04:05 AM
thanks tex, agree 100%. don't know why all the hate for bush. i guess UT homers are bad there is a better player coming to houston.

Mike Kerns
04-24-2006, 06:53 AM
GD Frank, were you jumping for joy when you heard whatever it is you think you've heard?

nunusguy
04-24-2006, 07:13 AM
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !

HJam72
04-24-2006, 07:25 AM
because bush was given a home warrants him not playing for the texans? great logic. what's next don't draft mario williams because he buys foreign cars?

Oh my God, NO!!! :brickwall :brickwall

That's it. No way we're taking that guy. :)

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 07:29 AM
I'm not thinking too much of it until this story grows legs.

***edit***
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
Okay...I guess it has grown legs.

Reports of the family of USC tailback Reggie Bush possibly receiving benefits from a prospective agent in violation of NCAA rules have exploded, with links to the story on newspaper web sites throughout the country. The item also appears on the front page of ESPN.com and Foxsports.com. There was a story about it on SportsCenter, too.

barzilla
04-24-2006, 07:42 AM
Amazing that no one has given an impassioned plea for the QB from UT in this thread yet. I thought that shoe would drop any minute. :confused:

Coach C.
04-24-2006, 07:50 AM
Not overly suprised it happens everywhere. I mean you can come off the field after a good game and while glad handing the boosters get a little something slipped into your pocket. It is a way of life, is it wrong, probably, but hell college students gotta eat. Anyway the story seems relatively substantial, and the proof is definately there since they were living in the house until questions arose. Dont think it will affect Bush one bit in the draft though. Did not happen on the field and will not affect his play on the field so he should be straight.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 07:51 AM
yes yes.. your a judgemental person who thinks their **** smells like cinnamon rolls.. i get it.

Wait for the whole story.

Mmmmm, cinnamon. :homer:

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 07:52 AM
One thing the Wonderlic does not measure is character.

Haams
04-24-2006, 07:56 AM
Not overly suprised it happens everywhere. I mean you can come off the field after a good game and while glad handing the boosters get a little something slipped into your pocket. It is a way of life, is it wrong, probably, but hell college students gotta eat. Anyway the story seems relatively substantial, and the proof is definately there since they were living in the house until questions arose. Dont think it will affect Bush one bit in the draft though. Did not happen on the field and will not affect his play on the field so he should be straight.

I mostly agree, but to play devil's advocate: Does this same argument work for others, like Marcus Vick?

Coach C.
04-24-2006, 07:59 AM
Haams my thought would be that his parents made a decision using his fame, whereas Marcus Vick made his decisions himslef. The character of Bush's family would be in question and his would also, just not to a greater extent. The article tryed to make it seem like he did not know, but he went home, he knew his family could not afford a 750K house. On the other hand Marcus Vick was actively making bad choices whether it be giving little girls alcohol or being worthy of a stomping on the field.

Coach C.
04-24-2006, 08:00 AM
Just a side note, anyone that played football, were you suprised that when he stomped on old boy's leg that the whole defense did not rush that chump. I mean you guys that did play football you know that kinda S-H-I-? would not fly.

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 08:05 AM
Looks suspect. Thursday the guy from Yahoo tried to interview Bush's mom at the house. He goes back Saturday and the house is empty.

They probably moved to Houston by then.
....a red flag IMO.

Haams
04-24-2006, 08:10 AM
Just a side note, anyone that played football, were you suprised that when he stomped on old boy's leg that the whole defense did not rush that chump. I mean you guys that did play football you know that kinda S-H-I-? would not fly.

Heck man, I was a soccer player - and we'd of cleared the bench over that.

The Preacher
04-24-2006, 08:14 AM
[QUOTE=Coach C.] The article tryed to make it seem like he did not know, but he went home, he knew his family could not afford a 750K house.

I guess now he'll have to decide whether to lie about it or not. Hopefully he comes clean if not he faces more stern judgment. Too bad that might cost USC all their wins and they should revoke his Heisman. The agent could face prison time ala a recent Alabama booster so they are either very cynical and negligent of their own wrongdoing or their is a seriously twisted coup out of Austin. Very sad if true though because he would have let every player, every coach, and basically anybody who represents the school down because of his selfish decision making. For his sake I hope it's just some inane rumor. If not the blow to his psyche for letting so many down could be irreparable and everyone will see him as a cheat wherever he goes. Probably arrogant and self-righteous since we all make very selfish mistakes from time to time but this could be one of the biggest scandals in NCAA history and something he will always remember.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 08:17 AM
Where this stinks the most is that he has put his teammates, coaches, and University on the line by having their '05 season amount to a pile of monkey dung.

SteelBlueToro
04-24-2006, 08:19 AM
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !
It's the "October Surprise" of the NFL Draft!

JDizzle
04-24-2006, 08:33 AM
It appears by the article that Bush had no knowledge of it, or wasn't involved with it. What it looks like is some scandalous behavior on the homeowner's part and naivity on his parents' part. Calling him a chump and a cheat are going overboard IMO.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 08:38 AM
Amazing - Austin democrats bringing smear tactics to the NFL Draft.
Sounds like something hatched by Ronnie Earle and his cronies. What a bunch
of sleazbags !

Yes Delay and Bush (possibly) are sleazy. They are not the victims.

Coach C.
04-24-2006, 08:39 AM
Jack I understand the calling him a chump and cheat part, but to pretend that he did not know his parents were living in a house they could not afford seems a bit of a stretch. Now I have no doubt he was not involved in any of the wrong doings, but he did have knowledge of it, and if he did not ask the question then he will be judged also. I dont think it hurts him in the draft, but will suck for him and strain his relationship with his family.

Haams soccer players are pretty hooligans, not only would your bench have cleared, but the fans would have rioted also. They get down for a good beating in soccer.

Tale Gator
04-24-2006, 08:58 AM
While I don't feel it will effect the draft, Reggie allowing this to happen was extremely foolish. Had the Trojans won the NCG - Reggie could have cost the school an entire season with his dealings. In the end Reggie may lose Heisman. What is truly so dumb is the fact Reggie and his family only had to wait one year until the millions rolled in -- instead they risk so much for such an obvious payola.

swtbound07
04-24-2006, 09:27 AM
i do have one point to say on this....i've said it in the other thread, i dont care, whatever he got his house so great. But i would BET YOU that most of the "understanding" posters on this board would be calling for vince youngs head on a platter for this. PERIOD.:twocents:

Long-Spurs-Texan
04-24-2006, 09:33 AM
There's no state income tax in Texas, but who knew real estate was free in California? What an IDIOT. How can you leave the agent that's housing your family out in the cold 1 week before the draft? Reggie has only himself to blame for this leak. If the situation was on the level, why did they move out the day after the reporter showed up? So they could move to the Four Seasons in Manhattan to eat shrimp cocktails for the next seven days. Paging Bob Mcnair, please restock the mini-bar.

Mailman04
04-24-2006, 09:34 AM
It doesn't matter what Bush did, the great thing is Texans won't be stupid enough to draft Vince Young just to please some Longhorn homers.

jerek
04-24-2006, 09:35 AM
Yea it does make him a cheat in life. There are hundreds of great athletes whop play in the NCAA and they dont take "a F-ing House!!!" You are out of your mind if you don't think that is cheating, and his credibility as a person is now shot to crap. It will cost him huge in 5 days!

1. I think you are being naive if you don't think this happens far more than "Reggie Bush." That doesn't make it right, but it happens. Frequently.

2. I reserve the right to withhold any judgment until the facts of the case have been made clearly known.

3. Cheating is cheating and if this is true Bush should have to pay the consequences, but IMO there is a big difference between Reggie Bush trying to give his family the better life and Reggie Bush juicing or raping women or shooting up a nightclub or what have you. I know that sins must be punished but as long as we are talking nothing more than an NCAA violation (and not an actual violation of the law), this does not IMO too much diminish his stock as a Texans player, and nor should it.

If this is true, the Texans will have a tough decision to make, but because I doubt the facts of this thing are going to be clear for months now, if the Texans were already set on Reggie, then they're still taking Reggie. If it was 50/50 between Reggie and Mario, then well, this might be that extra 2% that makes Mario our pick.

Mike Kerns
04-24-2006, 09:37 AM
McClain said on 610 this morning that "This will not effect the Draft in ANY way."

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 09:38 AM
Just had to weigh in on this one. This is the guy I always think of when I see the Monarch's posts.


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e60/coreyvice/genius4.jpg

WWF's The Genius aka "The World's smartest man."

A sample of his poetry:
There's only one man smart enough to put Hulk Hogan down
The Genius has a devistating plan
You're looking at the future World Wrestling Federation
Who appeals to the modern thinking fan

When I emerge victorious with gold around my waist
I shall be the most spendiforus of all
So don't tell me how he's six foot eight and I'm just six foot two
Between the ears I'm over ten feet tall

He wants to wrap his twenty-four inch pythons around my neck
And get his famous "Whatcha Gonna Do"
By the power of the Genius and the worlds smartest man
I'll rely on my incredible I.Q.

Sarg01
04-24-2006, 09:43 AM
There's no state income tax in Texas, but who knew real estate was free in California? What an IDIOT. How can you leave the agent that's housing your family out in the cold 1 week before the draft? Reggie has only himself to blame for this leak. If the situation was on the level, why did they move out the day after the reporter showed up? So they could move to the Four Seasons in Manhattan to eat shrimp cocktails for the next seven days. Paging Bob Mcnair, please restock the mini-bar.

Just to be clear: In no story was the guy his agent. In fact, the claim only seems to be that the landlord *wanted* some sort of agent deal for a buddy of his but didn't get it.

Which is one of the squirrely things with this story - if it really was a quid pro quo deal, then why wasn't the quid pulled when the quo wasn't signed?

gwallaia
04-24-2006, 09:50 AM
i do have one point to say on this....i've said it in the other thread, i dont care, whatever he got his house so great. But i would BET YOU that most of the "understanding" posters on this board would be calling for vince youngs head on a platter for this. PERIOD.:twocents:

Your'e right, but by the same token, if Vince was involved in something like this, the "non-understanding" posters would be dismissing it. It all depends on your point of view.

Mailman04
04-24-2006, 09:55 AM
Get over Vince, the Texans don't need a QB so why would they take him just because he is from Houston? Reggie is getting ripped for this and Vince got ripped for his test score. Big deal, that is all some have to do in the media is rip someone. If the Texans needed a QB I would be fine with Vince, but they have bigger needs elsewhere and simply can't waste the top pick just to satisfy Longhorn homers.

Blu
04-24-2006, 10:02 AM
who cares where or how the Bush family lived.
He's still worth the #1. GW lied about the CIA leak and I don't see Longhorn fan calling for him to be impeached.:challenge

Dr. Toro
04-24-2006, 10:06 AM
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14416936.htm

Bush's lawyer has issued a statement saying he had no knowledge of the situation... but certainly not saying there was no impropriety on his parents part. I think rb's ignorance of the situation is dubious.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 10:06 AM
http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_i_manual/2005-06/2005-06_d1_manual.pdf

You'll have to scroll down to section 12 and zoom in to be able to read.

Key word here is "Prospective".

Enjoy

Mike Kerns
04-24-2006, 10:09 AM
Your'e right, but by the same token, if Vince was involved in something like this, the "non-understanding" posters would be dismissing it. It all depends on your point of view.
I couldn't agree more.

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 10:12 AM
how is he toast? nothing will happen to him.

Mike Kerns
04-24-2006, 10:16 AM
This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 10:20 AM
This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.

Although I agree that it has no bearing on where he will get picked it does hurt him personally from a leverage standpoint on his bonud and endorsements. Moreover, this matters more than the Wonderlic. I will take an athlete with integrity over an athlete with intelligence or lack thereof.

TreWardTxn
04-24-2006, 10:30 AM
The article acts like Bush couldn't grasp the fact that his parents leased a $750,000 house without having the money. That simply makes no sense. If this is an issue of helping his family, I just find it incredible that they couldn't wait not even a year, but the four months 'till Jan. when Bush would sign with an agent and get his first endorsements.

daventxs
04-24-2006, 10:31 AM
If you don't think what is going to happen in the media with Reggie Bush and his NCAA violations will not be a distraction to the Texans...wake up and smell the stink! He will be hounded by reporters and other media reps to give his justification of why the "Reg" can break the rules and get away with it.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 10:32 AM
how is he toast? nothing will happen to him.
Toast on a College level.

He will be forever shunned by USC and it's alumni.

Try working with a work associate who you've just spent the last 3 years with working weekends, holidays, late nights just to land a big client. Then after it's all said and done you get a big job offer from another company. Then after you leave, the client you signed at the other job wants out due to something YOU did. Your work associate will hate you forever. You'll never be allowed back at that job if the new doesn't pan out and the possibility of your new job finding out and they too wind up not trusting you with their potential clients.

That's how. The court of "Public Opinion" will consider him guilty as charged. After games against the Titans he will be too ashamed to talk with Fisher and Chow as they have USC connections. This goes for any USC grad, he'll have to walk the other direction for he will have shamed the university.

Remember Mike Williams. He was invited to the NFL by The NFL due to the Clarett case. Then 5-6 days later the NFL got it overturned. All M. Williams did was hire an agent (which is what most prospective rd.1 talents do). He didn't even have 5-6 days with an agent and NCAA said tough ****, you cannot come back. The rules are the rules are the rules. NCAA don't care if something came back on Montana, they'd strike them too if rules were broke.

Key word is "Prospective" in the rule chapter.

B.Diddy
04-24-2006, 10:36 AM
i was lookin at sports center last night and it said reggie bush was being investigated by the ncaa ......apparently his parents were living in a 2 million dollar house since november paid 4 by his agent

Daonly
04-24-2006, 10:38 AM
Who Cares.... We may can get him on the cheap now... It's not like he Raped someone like Kobe, before the draft, He was trying to help his family in a average house... F-It... He's going to be Rich BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB**TH!!!! :yahoo:

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 10:39 AM
i was lookin at sports center last night and it said reggie bush was being investigated by the ncaa ......apparently his parents were living in a 2 million dollar house since november paid 4 by his agent
It was $700,000. And it was since 04/05.

Mods, plz merge this to one of the other 3 threads on this issue.

gwallaia
04-24-2006, 10:41 AM
He can always say to the disgruntled USC alumni, "At least I'm not OJ."

He'll still be wearing a Texan jersey next season.

Daonly
04-24-2006, 10:47 AM
IM going to the USC Alumni Draft party.. I'll let you know all the scoop, if they boo him or what.... I'll let you guys know.. It's funny too how all the VY Fans are pulling out the rule book about this situation... no matter what you can rip Bush's decision making about letting his folks live in that house, but you can't rip his talent and his good nature.... And at the end folks that's all what matters in the Pros... By the way I love Vince Young; and if we hadn't lost the San Fran game it's would been quite a possibility we had gone for Vince Young instead of Reggie Bush.

kastofsna
04-24-2006, 10:48 AM
like i said....this will be over once the draft is over. troy smith is still welcome on campus.

JDizzle
04-24-2006, 10:48 AM
He can always say to the disgruntled USC alumni, "At least I'm not OJ."


LOL!

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 10:51 AM
This is as much a non story as Vince's Wunderlic. In the end, it really won't matter. Either of them. Anti-Vince fans wanted the Wunderlic story to be the end of Vince & Anti-Reggie fans want this to be the same for Reggie.
Frak,

Your avatar reminds me of USC Parents Pro-Day. It's where the parents get together with the "Prospective" agents and they get to hold up signs begging to be picked to have their child represented by certain "Prospective" agents. Your picture was taken when Michael Michaels was offering 1% and.........

A Freaking House!!!!!

Djjoeyv
04-24-2006, 10:51 AM
Only time will tell. All I hav eto say is rules are rules. You have to have people smart enough around you to take care of all of this.

BigBull17
04-24-2006, 11:00 AM
The article acts like Bush couldn't grasp the fact that his parents leased a $750,000 house without having the money. That simply makes no sense. If this is an issue of helping his family, I just find it incredible that they couldn't wait not even a year, but the four months 'till Jan. when Bush would sign with an agent and get his first endorsements.

They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April. Its like when Labron James got the Hummer during his Sr. year in high school, what sales man isnt gonna give a potential millionair a back loaded lease.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 11:02 AM
They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April. Its like when Labron James got the Hummer during his Sr. year in high school, what sales man isnt gonna give a potential millionair a back loaded lease.

Does not matter about back loading, that is still an extra benefit. Lebron's example is not applicable in this instance.

Mr. White
04-24-2006, 11:10 AM
They could have gotten a back loaded lease, cause every one knows their boy is gonna get paid come April.

Even if it was a back loaded lease, then the house wouldn't be empty as soon as somebody got wise to it.

Hervoyel
04-24-2006, 11:20 AM
After reading about Reggie Bush and Co. having agents purchase a home for them durring his college days makes me sick. What a lack of respect for his team, for his School, and for his fans. What makes me sick is how he presents this I am a good kid, raised right, do the right thing crap. He is a scab, a cheat, and his lack of honesty will probably cost his school big time. What if his team has to forfiet their National Championships because the kid could not follow the rules. Jeremy Bloom from Colorado had his elegibility taken away because of small gifts given during a ski competition but he was honest and he did the right thing.

Frank you're in just about every thread I've read today with a post very much like the one here. It's a sensationalist take that ignores a bunch of the story.

You really love Vince don't you.

Kaiser Toro
04-24-2006, 11:29 AM
Therapist: Frank, this is a safe place. A place where we can feel free sharing our feelings. Think of my office as a nest in a tree of trust and understanding. We can say anything here.

Frank: Anything? Well, uh I guess I, deep down, am feeling a little confused. I mean, suddenly, you get married, and you're supposed to be this entirely different guy. I don't feel different. I mean, take yesterday for example. We were out at the Olive Garden for dinner, which was lovely. And uh, I happen to look over at a certain point during the meal and see a waitress taking an order, and I found myself wondering what color her xxxxxxxx might be. Her xxxxxx. Uh, odds are they are probably basic white, cotton, xxxxxxx. But I sort of think well maybe they're silk xxxxxxx, maybe it's a xxxxx. Maybe it's something really cool that I don't even know about. You know, and uh, and I started feeling... what? what I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest, were we not?

Vinny
04-24-2006, 11:34 AM
lenders will loan money to good risks...I'd love to lend him or his family lots of money for the right interest rate based on his earning potential. I don't need to worry too much about his past since his future is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This may be an issue for USC...but certainly isn't an issue for the Texans. If this is the worst thing you can dig up on Bush....well, this is every bit as bad as the idiotic VY bashing I've seen here.

BigBull17
04-24-2006, 11:35 AM
Even if it was a back loaded lease, then the house wouldn't be empty as soon as somebody got wise to it.

I know I was answering TreWardTxn statement about how could Bush not know how they were able to lease the house for 750k without the money.

Texans Front Row Crew
04-24-2006, 11:38 AM
I saw this today:

"Days before Bush is expected to be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft, unanswered questions about the residence and how his mother, stepfather and brother came to live in it within the last year have prompted the University of Southern California to refer the matter to the Pacific-10 Conference for an investigation.

NCAA statutes prohibit student-athletes or their families from receiving extra benefits from professional sports agents, marketing companies or their representatives. A breach of these statutes could result in an athlete being ruled ineligible, and games in which they played could be forfeited."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArtEVhnQ3KSprg1B3Xn1gcU5nYcB?slug=cr-bush042306&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

So what I understand is, if the family (bush) lived in a $700k house in California- provided by a sport agent. Is he ruled ineligible- does it mean just for college games or draft. Is USC's season flushed? Other reports on MSN states that the NFL "doesn't care" but I'm hoping someone could clear this up.

tulexan
04-24-2006, 11:42 AM
This has no effect on the draft. If for some reason he was found ineligible, it would be for games in the past season. Not for games in the future

Harrisment
04-24-2006, 11:52 AM
Absolutely no impact on the draft.

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 11:55 AM
If you had a sort of "backloading" exception to the rule, then basically agents would be filling up the coffers of high school kids with "backloaded" payments. It's completely against NCAA rules and it's cheating the system. Sorry but this reflects extremely badly on Reggie Bush - no matter what perspective you take. College players can't take $$$ and they can't accept deals based on their projected future NFL earning power. It really is a fairly cut and dry case here.

It's funny that people will excuse this as no big deal, simply because they like Reggie as a football player. Cheating is a big deal. The NCAA needs to make a serious statement very soon about this kind of thing. I don't like how easily this and the AD stuff is being swept under the rug.

Vinny
04-24-2006, 12:09 PM
It's funny that people will excuse this as no big deal, simply because they like Reggie as a football player. Cheating is a big deal. The NCAA needs to make a serious statement very soon about this kind of thing. I don't like how easily this and the AD stuff is being swept under the rug.um, this is big news....that must be a huge rug. The NCAA can't put the Texans on probation...so I'm not worried about it. This is a USC issue.

tsip
04-24-2006, 12:11 PM
I'm just glad this was not VY because their would not be enough bandwith on this site for all the Bush:homer: 's and we would not have access to the site for draft day--even now, there are probally fewer VY posts than Bush posts with this news...

TreWardTxn
04-24-2006, 12:34 PM
I know I was answering TreWardTxn statement about how could Bush not know how they were able to lease the house for 750k without the money.

My point was, whether it was backloaded, latent, or any other tricky **** a real estate/financial planner could dream up, Bush had to have known they did not have the money for it, and were only receiving the "deal", because he was projected #1 draft pick, Heisman winning back, with an insurance policy on his legs, so they would be good for it regardless.

Honestly, I don't care about athletes getting perks from alumni and boosters after all the money they make for these schools; but a 3/4 mill dollar home? That takes it right there, you can't turn the cheek on that. I don't know how this could affect USC more than having their '05 season erased from the books, as these guys don't seem connected to the university...

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 12:35 PM
I think you know what I mean. It's a media story now, but it's likely the NCAA takes minimal action and that USC/Bush get away with it unfortunately. It certainly puts USC on the "institutional control" watchlist and raises a character issue about Bush. I don't think it effects his draft status - but you never know. McNair is big on character. And Reggie's character previously had not been an issue. Combine the character issue with bad numbers from the agent -- I could see a switch going in favor of Mario Williams (not Vince Young).

Texans86
04-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Honestly, I don't care about athletes getting perks from alumni and boosters after all the money they make for these schools; but a 3/4 mill dollar home? That takes it right there, you can't turn the cheek on that. I don't know how this could affect USC more than having their '05 season erased from the books, as these guys don't seem connected to the university...

Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 01:04 PM
So if Bush takes a Bribe, then i guess we should start finding new homes for every college athlete. maybe find Mario Wiliams dad a new car, hook up A.J. Hawk dad with a new boat. What is pothetic is how the Bush-Bandwagon is handeling. Like they handel everything, they revert it back to bashing Vince Young, and slamming anyone who does not like Bush. The guy could have got cought cheating on exams and you people would argue that not everyone is good at taking exams, or you would say "if it were me I would have cheated" LOL You people are crazy, out of your minds

Caphorn
04-24-2006, 01:06 PM
Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml

This is all very interesting EXCEPT THAT THE HOUSE WAS OWNED BY AN AGENT - not Reggie Bush's family. In other words, staying there is what you'd call a benefit or a perk - no matter what the cost. And in SD, a $750K house is a damn nice house for a couple of low wage earners.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 01:10 PM
Oh and this will be a Texans issue, because it is a character issue of Reggie Bush. I could be like the Bush-Bandwagon and make a reply like "It is the end of Bush comming to Houston, does it hurt" but that is not needed and just shows stupidity. Bush is a cheat, the poop will hit the fan and it will hurt his draft status. You people slam Young about every little indiscression, and look what happens, Bush shows his true colors. Bush is not a class act, he is a scab. He is not a team player, he is a ME ME guy who has now given the shaft to his college, and to all of you guys who are his fans!

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 01:13 PM
Good point, how does the cost of a house in California relate to a legit reason to cheat. If they could not afford a house then they should have found an apartment. It would have only been for a year, damn they could not wait. If they needed a house for a cheaper price then they should have moved to Texas and left Reggie in L.A. This, A house cost so much more, is a feable excuse, not even worth the time you tok to type it.

Texans86
04-24-2006, 01:14 PM
This is all very interesting EXCEPT THAT THE HOUSE WAS OWNED BY AN AGENT - not Reggie Bush's family. In other words, staying there is what you'd call a benefit or a perk - no matter what the cost. And in SD, a $750K house is a damn nice house for a couple of low wage earners.

I was not defending the Bush family. I was stating housing prices for the area. $750,000 is not a huge house in California. It is actually what we would consider an average house in Houston. For those not familiar with the housing prices, they might think his family moved into a mansion, which is not true. They moved into an average size home, and if it is a standalone house, it actually might be smaller than the average home.

Please don't accuse me of things I am not saying. Also, the house was not owned by an agent. I saw an interview on Cold Pizza with the author of the article, and the name on the lease is Michael Michaels, who works with some Native American association in California. Neither Joel Segal nor his aid were connected with the house.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 01:22 PM
Alright, I'm not commenting on whether this was right or wrong, only acknowledging that it happens in many different schools. In reply to the above quote, I wanted to note that housing prices in California are outrageous. A $750,000 in Houston or the surrounding suburbs is a huge house; however, in California, that is likely about an average size house, nothing excessive.

Just found this link. Average housing price in San Diego is $550,000, so $750,000 isn't a whole lot more comparitively, if you know how quickly small additions increase housing costs. Average standalone house costs $861,759.

http://www.sdhc.net/giaboutus2.shtml
OK fine. Let's talk average.
If his momma and daddy can't afford average, then they need to do what the rest of the NCAA parents that can't afford average do. Rent a cheap *** apartment and be patient.

I remember being broke and living in an apartment behind Greenspoint Mall. I made it, and I had to get myself out. I didn't have a child freak RB that seemed to be destined for stardom in the pros. I had Government assistance for food, delivery of a child, rent, clothing, etc.... I made it. His folks could've made too for 1 more year.

WTF were they planning on doing if he suffered a major injury. I hate discussing injuries but that would've sucked too.

Frank_The_Tank
04-24-2006, 01:23 PM
First off, there is no way the bush family took the bribe, it was Reggie Bush. let me guess you people believe his mom and dad worked it all out and reggie never new anything about it. LOL Reggie "Wow nice house dad, looks like the police station gave you that 100,000 dollar a year raise finnaly"

The Dude Abides
04-24-2006, 01:34 PM
Not sure if this has been posted... but his lawyer says that Bush didn't know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2419079

On Monday, David Cornwell, the attorney who represents Reggie Bush's family, told ESPN's Joe Schad that Reggie Bush had no knowledge of the "lease" agreement between his parents and San Diego businessman Michael Michaels, who owned the home the Bush family lived in.
"At this point, I'm not going to get into the particulars of the transactions between the family and Mr. Michaels," Cornwell said. "It is inapppropriate to presume that the Griffins did anything wrong."

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 01:35 PM
Not sure if this has been posted... but his lawyer says that Bush didn't know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2419079
Hard to beleive and all you bush guys know it.

Big B Texan Fan
04-24-2006, 01:45 PM
What angers me the most is that about 3 weeks ago I finally came to grips with the fact that Bush is coming. Now this, grrreat. The minute he's stipped of the Heisman and his teams '05 season is striken from the NCAA books, it's only gonna get worse.

Now we're gonna take a "Change of Pace" scat back with "Character and Integrity Issues" with the #1 overall pick.

He'll fit right in with:
A. Cheerleader Mom
B. Enron
C. That Yates b@#*& who drowned her kids
D. That other lady who drove over her husband 10 times
E. Jeff Alm
F. Warren Moon beating his wife
G. Marcus Coleman slamming his car into a tree on Richmond
H. Forgot name-Rocket that was caught w/weed
I. Peek, leaving his playbook in car with car running and it getting stolen

You know what they say about cream, it rises to the top. The stuff on the bottom is crap.

tsip
04-24-2006, 01:57 PM
Not sure if this has been posted... but his lawyer says that Bush didn't know.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2419079

...of, course, he didn't know--probally never even saw the house, thought they were still living in an apt:spy:

Huge
04-24-2006, 09:04 PM
I hate it when threads explode over a day or so and I lose track of it. Anyway, from Page 2...
It's totally illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned! It's everything that college athletics is not supposed to be about. An athlete, or his family, cannot receive benefits from boosters, agents, or "friends of the program" in this manner. Bush is the reigning "Heisman Trophy" winner, and it would be a terrible black eye to his character. The fact that he would willingly jeopardize the O5' season for he and his fellow teammates would be extremely Selfish!!! Hopefully this story is not true, but if it is this should raise huge flags regarding this guys' character. This screams of a "Me first!" type of guy! This is a huge investment we're talking about, and the situation will need to be investigated. Hopefully the Texans have done there homework already and decided this is a non issue.
Okay, we all agree it's illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned. But Bush is no longer part of the NCAA. So how are they going to punish him? They can't.

So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?

The Preacher
04-24-2006, 09:13 PM
So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?[/QUOTE]

On espn they basically said USC really doesn't have much to lose....unless they knew about it. In that case they got to play Reggie all year when they knew he was ineligible. That would mean serious consequences but the chances of proving it seem slim.

Haams
04-25-2006, 08:43 AM
Did you see all the Bush interviews yesterday? I especially liked when they asked him why his parents had moved a couple of days after reporters showed up if it was a legit deal. His reply - we'd been looking for a house for a while and something finally came up.

On a side note: the "good kid helping his family" line is cute and all, but not much of an excuse. Look at it in real world terms, most people go to school so they can help their families after they graduate not while they are still in training.

houstonbuckeye
04-25-2006, 08:47 AM
with all the news swriling around about his family housing, it just does not pass the smell test.I really don't care what his handlers are saying to have a reporter show up at you house one day and not say anything to him but two days later the same reporter comes back only to see a moving van at the house packing up and moving out just smells bad.

kbourda
04-25-2006, 09:02 AM
I hate it when threads explode over a day or so and I lose track of it. Anyway, from Page 2...

Okay, we all agree it's illegal as far as the NCAA is concerned. But Bush is no longer part of the NCAA. So how are they going to punish him? They can't.

So you look towards USC. This alleged infraction didn't take part in order to benefit USC. It was to benefit Bush's family and the "agent" that was putting them up. It's not like the guy gave up his house so that Bush would play at USC. So where is USC at fault here? How did they benefit from this?

I know you didn't! Look, it does not matter that Reggie Bush, USC, or his parents did not know (which I am sure they all did), that is an NCAA rule violation. And yes, USC while they may not be at fault, they will feel the aftershock of the whole matter if the investigation goes against his family. I know it is not fair but rules are rules. So to try and "justify" this action and attempt to pass it off as "oh well" is lame. Reggie Bush is no different from any other student athlete.

Yankee_In_TX
04-25-2006, 09:12 AM
If that's the worst he does, then YES.

jerek
04-25-2006, 09:24 AM
What angers me the most is that about 3 weeks ago I finally came to grips with the fact that Bush is coming. Now this, grrreat. The minute he's stipped of the Heisman and his teams '05 season is striken from the NCAA books, it's only gonna get worse.

Now we're gonna take a "Change of Pace" scat back with "Character and Integrity Issues" with the #1 overall pick.

He'll fit right in with:
A. Cheerleader Mom
B. Enron
C. That Yates b@#*& who drowned her kids
D. That other lady who drove over her husband 10 times
E. Jeff Alm
F. Warren Moon beating his wife
G. Marcus Coleman slamming his car into a tree on Richmond
H. Forgot name-Rocket that was caught w/weed
I. Peek, leaving his playbook in car with car running and it getting stolen

You know what they say about cream, it rises to the top. The stuff on the bottom is crap.

Yes I too would equate violating NCAA rules in looking the other way while someone bought your parents a nice house with beating one's wife, marijuana, bilking investors out of millions of dollars, and drowning your kids. I am assuming this post is a joke (and if so, ok, I admit I did get a laugh) given some of your entries but given your strong history of anti-Bush/pro-Vince rhetoric, I cannot help but wonder.

Oh, and do you want to send me a check?

As far as Bush not knowing, that is a load of bull and one of the dumbest yet most predictable responses we would have expected him to give. Whether or not Bush explicitly arranged the deal or even wholly approved of it is another story entirely, but of course he knew who bought his parents the house and he knew what the guy's motive in doing so was. I still think that if our staff had every intention of drafting him #1 that they will do so any way, whereas if it was 50/50 Bush/Williams before then this might be the thing that gives Mario the edge.

Coach C.
04-25-2006, 09:32 AM
Jerek, I have to agree with you on the post. Good points nice intelligent digs.

Caphorn
04-25-2006, 09:48 AM
I find it funny that his lawyer says he didn't know and a couple hours later in an interview Reggie is acting like he knows everything and that the whole deal is above board. Which is it? How can he be so certain there's no issue here if he's ignorant of the deal.

Not that any of this matters since ESPN and numerous national sportswriters have collectively deemed this cheating as no big deal.

Double Barrel
04-25-2006, 09:55 AM
This story is becoming a mountain out of a molehill. If this had been some lineman at a random school, it would barely make a story in a small time newspaper.

I agree with Yankee, if this is the worst that RB can be tarnished, then he's go no problems.

gwallaia
04-25-2006, 10:09 AM
Well, I don't about the rest of you but I don't want to risk having to hear jayseed tell everyone "I told you so". So the Texans better decide on someone besides Reggie Bush.

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2006, 11:20 AM
As far as Bush not knowing, that is a load of bull and one of the dumbest yet most predictable responses we would have expected him to give. Whether or not Bush explicitly arranged the deal or even wholly approved of it is another story entirely, but of course he knew who bought his parents the house and he knew what the guy's motive in doing so was. I still think that if our staff had every intention of drafting him #1 that they will do so any way, whereas if it was 50/50 Bush/Williams before then this might be the thing that gives Mario the edge.

Bush and not knowing have become synonomous in the American lexicon.

Tale Gator
04-25-2006, 12:01 PM
Bush is a 'Decider' not a 'Knower'...


...wait what were we talking about here? :confused:

powerfuldragon
04-25-2006, 12:03 PM
I've decided that i don't care about this house business. Wouldn't you expect an agent to hook up a potential #1 draft pick?

Big B Texan Fan
04-25-2006, 12:04 PM
What I'm worried about here is the possibility of the "crawlin' in a hole" mentally if he is indeed shunned by the SC University, former teammates, alumni, national media (Sean "Fat ***" Salsbury, USC grad), etc...
The whole Heisman stripping would/could force him into a breakdown if he's not mentally tough enough to handle it. Especially if it will be sitting on a mantle in a house other than his in the same city for which he plays for. Ironic huh.
This could effect his play.

Big B Texan Fan
04-25-2006, 12:07 PM
Yes I too would equate violating NCAA rules in looking the other way while someone bought your parents a nice house with beating one's wife, marijuana, bilking investors out of millions of dollars, and drowning your kids. I am assuming this post is a joke (and if so, ok, I admit I did get a laugh) given some of your entries but given your strong history of anti-Bush/pro-Vince rhetoric, I cannot help but wonder.

Oh, and do you want to send me a check?

As far as Bush not knowing, that is a load of bull and one of the dumbest yet most predictable responses we would have expected him to give. Whether or not Bush explicitly arranged the deal or even wholly approved of it is another story entirely, but of course he knew who bought his parents the house and he knew what the guy's motive in doing so was. I still think that if our staff had every intention of drafting him #1 that they will do so any way, whereas if it was 50/50 Bush/Williams before then this might be the thing that gives Mario the edge.
Yes I was joking....sort of.:confused:

jerek
04-25-2006, 12:43 PM
Bush and not knowing have become synonomous in the American lexicon.

Cute play on words. Unfortunately true.

thunderkyss
04-25-2006, 05:14 PM
You know, for the most part, I've stayed out of this thread, because I think it is ridiculous......

I firmly believe college athletes should get more in the way of compensation for the money they help these universities generate.

Ethiclly(sp) I agree that it looks wrong..... If I were any athlete, and someone bought my mom a Hummer, or a $700,000 house, I would try my best, to talk her out of the house. If that fails, I would tell my coach/sports director, etc... someone, get it documented that I had nothing to do with it, and that I was in fact against it.

If that school, or the NCAA kicks my mom out of that house, I'm fine with that...... as long as they treat her with the respect my mother deserves.

If they see no problem with it..... which they shouldn't..... if stupid people want to throw money at my family....... fine by me.....

But as long as they can't prove that Reggie was the facilitator of this deal, and Reggie Bush has no business dealings with this man for the next 20 years, then I don't think this should effect Reggie at all.

Huge
04-25-2006, 06:37 PM
I know you didn't! Look, it does not matter that Reggie Bush, USC, or his parents did not know (which I am sure they all did), that is an NCAA rule violation. And yes, USC while they may not be at fault, they will feel the aftershock of the whole matter if the investigation goes against his family. I know it is not fair but rules are rules. So to try and "justify" this action and attempt to pass it off as "oh well" is lame. Reggie Bush is no different from any other student athlete.
Yes, I did. Wait, what did I do?

But let's assume all parties involved did know about this incident and knew the ramnifications. What would you expect to happen:

USC - Loses a few scholarships. Forfeits every game from the '05 season. Has to give a portion of their BCS money back.

Bush - Loses his Heisman. Whatever records/stats he accumulated during the '05 season are removed from the books.

If you can you think anything else, I'd like to hear it. 'Cause to me, that sounds about as bad as it could get and even that's just a slap on the wrist. And that's if they're able to prove everybody knew about it.

Conversely, let's say Bush and USC didn't know about it (as naive as it sounds). How do you think the NCAA should hand down punishment on them?

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2006, 06:45 PM
Yes, I did. Wait, what did I do?

But let's assume all parties involved did know about this incident and knew the ramnifications. What would you expect to happen:

USC - Loses a few scholarships. Forfeits every game from the '05 season. Has to give a portion of their BCS money back.

Bush - Loses his Heisman. Whatever records/stats he accumulated during the '05 season are removed from the books.

If you can you think anything else, I'd like to hear it. 'Cause to me, that sounds about as bad as it could get and even that's just a slap on the wrist. And that's if they're able to prove everybody knew about it.

Conversely, let's say Bush and USC didn't know about it (as naive as it sounds). How do you think the NCAA should hand down punishment on them?

The onus is on the institution's compliance office to disseminate that information 24/7. That is their job. Moreover, RB would know that his parents receiving a house like that would be construed as an extra benefit. Kids that play the game in HS and are recruited early on know what the term extra benefit means and what the potential risk is to accepting in kind.

All of the above does not matter if the NCAA finds no impropiety.

Huge
04-25-2006, 06:56 PM
The onus is on the institution's compliance office to disseminate that information 24/7. That is their job. Moreover, RB would know that his parents receiving a house like that would be construed as an extra benefit. Kids that play the game in HS and are recruited early on know what the term extra benefit means and what the potential risk is to accepting in kind.

All of the above does not matter if the NCAA finds no impropiety.
I understand what rule is being broken if in fact there is a rule that's being broken.

What I'm saying is, what do you think the punishment should be and do you think it's going to be enough to matter to Bush anyway?

He's still going in the top 3 picks. He's still going to become a multi-millionaire. NFL teams are not going to raise an eyebrow and have second thoughts about drafting him (Lawrence Phillips, anybody?).

Kaiser Toro
04-25-2006, 07:01 PM
I understand what rule is being broken if in fact there is a rule that's being broken.

What I'm saying is, what do you think the punishment should be and do you think it's going to be enough to matter to Bush anyway?

He's still going in the top 3 picks. He's still going to become a multi-millionaire. NFL teams are not going to raise an eyebrow and have second thoughts about drafting him (Lawrence Phillips, anybody?).

It is a very interesting situation and behooves Reggie to sign immediately. The more this goes on the more it hurts his leverage on the signing bonus and endorsements. Does it hurt his draft status? No. But this could be a distraction for his pocketbook and any locker room that he is in. Ask anyone who was a Sac Kings fan about Webber having to go to court.

Dr. Toro
04-25-2006, 07:09 PM
I understand what rule is being broken if in fact there is a rule that's being broken.

What I'm saying is, what do you think the punishment should be and do you think it's going to be enough to matter to Bush anyway?

He's still going in the top 3 picks. He's still going to become a multi-millionaire. NFL teams are not going to raise an eyebrow and have second thoughts about drafting him (Lawrence Phillips, anybody?).

The biggest punishment will be the infamy of being stripped of the Heisman and the potential losses of endorsements if this thing drags on/goes deeper/results in litigation. The word from S&S Sports Business Journal (by way of PFT) is Bush may have been more involved than he is letting on.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

HeroTime
04-25-2006, 07:11 PM
I know you didn't! Look, it does not matter that Reggie Bush, USC, or his parents did not know (which I am sure they all did), that is an NCAA rule violation. And yes, USC while they may not be at fault, they will feel the aftershock of the whole matter if the investigation goes against his family. I know it is not fair but rules are rules. So to try and "justify" this action and attempt to pass it off as "oh well" is lame. Reggie Bush is no different from any other student athlete.Actually they are saying it is not a rules violation as the NCAA bylaws are written.