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pelo19
04-22-2006, 04:00 PM
Honestly what happened? Out of the blue some people only have him going to the Cardinals at pick 10. Did I miss something? Maybe he got a bad score on the Wonderlic test, nobody really knows, but that test means little compared to what you do on the field. That is the same test where Ryan Leaf scored 11 points more than Dan Marino, and those scores obviously did not reflect onto the field.

It is probably true that Vince Young will not be able to run the way he did at Texas in the pros, but then by what stretch of the imagination is Reggie Bush somehow unaffected by the 6'4" 260 linebackers that are hardly a step behind him? If anything Young would be a more successful runner than Bush, because with Bush always slashing around, and an NFL defense that is much quicker to react than a college defense, he is sure to be hit unexpectedly, and this being something he's never dealt with, he's an injury liability and he would have a high possibility of developing fumblitis.

And suddenly Vince Young is only a running quarterback? I do believe he had a higher passer rating than Matt Leinart, and almost every other high name quarterback that competed in a full season and had somewhere around a 65% completion rating. He is blessed with mobility, which he uses to make his throwing situations more comfortable. He can escape the pocket if need be and after that he can make a 60 yard throw on a line with a flick of the wrist. Plus he's a smart kid when it comes to football and he knows he's not going to be running as much in the NFL.

Not to mention he can be a team leader right out of the gates if he needs to, but the ideal situation would be for him to learn the system for a year and polish his technique. But the Rose Bowl was a clear indicator of his poise. It seems like people just have thrown that game out the window, discredited it completely.

Why are people zoning in on Vinceís awkward throwing motion? I believe it was Machiavelli that said the end justifies the means, and who really cares how he does it as long as he puts the ball where it needs to be 65% of the time. Plus his arm motion works in perfectly with his playing style, so when heís on the run he can sling it out there without having to set his feet and stop, and so far he has had much success with this. You donít change a good thing, and his arm has never hurt him before. Also his arm, along with his legs, led a team that had considerably less talent than USC to a National Championship. Seems more like people are just looking for an excuse to knock Vince down because they couldnít do it on the field.

And what room is there for Reggie Bush in Houston anyways? What happened to Domanick Davis, a very talented runner that, with a team that had any sort of an O-line, could be even more effective. Plus he's only been pro for 4 years or so. Oh, well they could put Reggie Bush at flanker. Uhhh, they have Andre Johnson, a pro-bowl type Wide Receiver when he's got a passing game to be part of, also they just signed Eric Moulds and still have the capable Jabar Gaffney, so I think they have plenty of receivers. Well, Bush could be a great kick returner. They actually have one of those too, by the name of Jerome Mathis, who for lack of a better word, is greased lightning.

Well you're probably thinking that maybe Bush could split carries with Davis. That could work out, but would you waste the first overall pick of a loaded draft on a 10 play-a-game player? Or would you invest it in a player who could single-handedly rejuvenate the franchise and would play more than 10 plays a game in time?

Now I know they just signed Carr to a three-year deal, but keeping him is like writing your suicide note. O-line help isn't going to magically appear in one year so in the meantime you need a Quarterback who can operate somewhat effectively without an O-line. IMO Houston would be passing up a great opportunity if they draft Reggie Bush, which I fear they will. And it would be a great injustice for Young not to get to represent his hometown because there is an unexplained love affair with Reggie Bush's highlight reel. Not to mention the people of Houston would rather see Vince Young in the endzone than Reggie Bush fall short of it.

After the Rose Bowl, people were putting Vince Young down as a lock to be the first overall pick. However only a few months after the game, people have come up with numerous and seemingly unsubstantial reasons why Vince Young couldnít cut it in the pros.

There's a great article by Michael Silver of Sports Illustrated on this subject that inspired me to write this much.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/04/14/young/index.html

MasterC25
04-22-2006, 04:10 PM
Honestly what happened? Out of the blue some people only have him going to the Cardinals at pick 10. Did I miss something? Maybe he got a bad score on the Wonderlic test, nobody really knows, but that test means little compared to what you do on the field. That is the same test where Ryan Leaf scored 11 points more than Dan Marino, and those scores obviously did not reflect onto the field.

It is probably true that Vince Young will not be able to run the way he did at Texas in the pros, but then by what stretch of the imagination is Reggie Bush somehow unaffected by the 6'4" 260 linebackers that are hardly a step behind him? If anything Young would be a more successful runner than Bush, because with Bush always slashing around, and an NFL defense that is much quicker to react than a college defense, he is sure to be hit unexpectedly, and this being something he's never dealt with, he's an injury liability and he would have a high possibility of developing fumblitis.

And suddenly Vince Young is only a running quarterback? I do believe he had a higher passer rating than Matt Leinart, and almost every other high name quarterback that competed in a full season and had somewhere around a 65% completion rating. He is blessed with mobility, which he uses to make his throwing situations more comfortable. He can escape the pocket if need be and after that he can make a 60 yard throw on a line with a flick of the wrist. Plus he's a smart kid when it comes to football and he knows he's not going to be running as much in the NFL.

Not to mention he can be a team leader right out of the gates if he needs to, but the ideal situation would be for him to learn the system for a year and polish his technique. But the Rose Bowl was a clear indicator of his poise. It seems like people just have thrown that game out the window, discredited it completely.

Why are people zoning in on Vinceís awkward throwing motion? I believe it was Machiavelli that said the end justifies the means, and who really cares how he does it as long as he puts the ball where it needs to be 65% of the time. Plus his arm motion works in perfectly with his playing style, so when heís on the run he can sling it out there without having to set his feet and stop, and so far he has had much success with this. You donít change a good thing, and his arm has never hurt him before. Also his arm, along with his legs, led a team that had considerably less talent than USC to a National Championship. Seems more like people are just looking for an excuse to knock Vince down because they couldnít do it on the field.

And what room is there for Reggie Bush in Houston anyways? What happened to Domanick Davis, a very talented runner that, with a team that had any sort of an O-line, could be even more effective. Plus he's only been pro for 4 years or so. Oh, well they could put Reggie Bush at flanker. Uhhh, they have Andre Johnson, a pro-bowl type Wide Receiver when he's got a passing game to be part of, also they just signed Eric Moulds and still have the capable Jabar Gaffney, so I think they have plenty of receivers. Well, Bush could be a great kick returner. They actually have one of those too, by the name of Jerome Mathis, who for lack of a better word, is greased lightning.

Well you're probably thinking that maybe Bush could split carries with Davis. That could work out, but would you waste the first overall pick of a loaded draft on a 10 play-a-game player? Or would you invest it in a player who could single-handedly rejuvenate the franchise and would play more than 10 plays a game in time?

Now I know they just signed Carr to a three-year deal, but keeping him is like writing your suicide note. O-line help isn't going to magically appear in one year so in the meantime you need a Quarterback who can operate somewhat effectively without an O-line. IMO Houston would be passing up a great opportunity if they draft Reggie Bush, which I fear they will. And it would be a great injustice for Young not to get to represent his hometown because there is an unexplained love affair with Reggie Bush's highlight reel. Not to mention the people of Houston would rather see Vince Young in the endzone than Reggie Bush fall short of it.

After the Rose Bowl, people were putting Vince Young down as a lock to be the first overall pick. However only a few months after the game, people have come up with numerous and seemingly unsubstantial reasons why Vince Young couldnít cut it in the pros.

There's a great article by Michael Silver of Sports Illustrated on this subject that inspired me to write this much.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/04/14/young/index.html

Stop fooling your self and get ready for next season as Bush will be our Running Back and #1 playmaker. If you want you can cheer for Vince all you want and whatever team drafts him, but fact is Bush is a Texan so get over it.

swtbound07
04-22-2006, 04:19 PM
Stop fooling your self and get ready for next season as Bush will be our Running Back and #1 playmaker. If you want you can cheer for Vince all you want and whatever team drafts him, but fact is Bush is a Texan so get over it.

Actually no...not in any sense of the word. You cant make up a fact friend...hold off on the condescension for 7 more days okay? :redtowel:

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 05:06 PM
young will be drafted no higher than #9.

Mike Kerns
04-22-2006, 05:35 PM
Honestly what happened? Out of the blue some people only have him going to the Cardinals at pick 10. Did I miss something? Maybe he got a bad score on the Wonderlic test, nobody really knows, but that test means little compared to what you do on the field. That is the same test where Ryan Leaf scored 11 points more than Dan Marino, and those scores obviously did not reflect onto the field.

It is probably true that Vince Young will not be able to run the way he did at Texas in the pros, but then by what stretch of the imagination is Reggie Bush somehow unaffected by the 6'4" 260 linebackers that are hardly a step behind him? If anything Young would be a more successful runner than Bush, because with Bush always slashing around, and an NFL defense that is much quicker to react than a college defense, he is sure to be hit unexpectedly, and this being something he's never dealt with, he's an injury liability and he would have a high possibility of developing fumblitis.

And suddenly Vince Young is only a running quarterback? I do believe he had a higher passer rating than Matt Leinart, and almost every other high name quarterback that competed in a full season and had somewhere around a 65% completion rating. He is blessed with mobility, which he uses to make his throwing situations more comfortable. He can escape the pocket if need be and after that he can make a 60 yard throw on a line with a flick of the wrist. Plus he's a smart kid when it comes to football and he knows he's not going to be running as much in the NFL.

Not to mention he can be a team leader right out of the gates if he needs to, but the ideal situation would be for him to learn the system for a year and polish his technique. But the Rose Bowl was a clear indicator of his poise. It seems like people just have thrown that game out the window, discredited it completely.

Why are people zoning in on Vinceís awkward throwing motion? I believe it was Machiavelli that said the end justifies the means, and who really cares how he does it as long as he puts the ball where it needs to be 65% of the time. Plus his arm motion works in perfectly with his playing style, so when heís on the run he can sling it out there without having to set his feet and stop, and so far he has had much success with this. You donít change a good thing, and his arm has never hurt him before. Also his arm, along with his legs, led a team that had considerably less talent than USC to a National Championship. Seems more like people are just looking for an excuse to knock Vince down because they couldnít do it on the field.

And what room is there for Reggie Bush in Houston anyways? What happened to Domanick Davis, a very talented runner that, with a team that had any sort of an O-line, could be even more effective. Plus he's only been pro for 4 years or so. Oh, well they could put Reggie Bush at flanker. Uhhh, they have Andre Johnson, a pro-bowl type Wide Receiver when he's got a passing game to be part of, also they just signed Eric Moulds and still have the capable Jabar Gaffney, so I think they have plenty of receivers. Well, Bush could be a great kick returner. They actually have one of those too, by the name of Jerome Mathis, who for lack of a better word, is greased lightning.

Well you're probably thinking that maybe Bush could split carries with Davis. That could work out, but would you waste the first overall pick of a loaded draft on a 10 play-a-game player? Or would you invest it in a player who could single-handedly rejuvenate the franchise and would play more than 10 plays a game in time?

Now I know they just signed Carr to a three-year deal, but keeping him is like writing your suicide note. O-line help isn't going to magically appear in one year so in the meantime you need a Quarterback who can operate somewhat effectively without an O-line. IMO Houston would be passing up a great opportunity if they draft Reggie Bush, which I fear they will. And it would be a great injustice for Young not to get to represent his hometown because there is an unexplained love affair with Reggie Bush's highlight reel. Not to mention the people of Houston would rather see Vince Young in the endzone than Reggie Bush fall short of it.

After the Rose Bowl, people were putting Vince Young down as a lock to be the first overall pick. However only a few months after the game, people have come up with numerous and seemingly unsubstantial reasons why Vince Young couldnít cut it in the pros.

There's a great article by Michael Silver of Sports Illustrated on this subject that inspired me to write this much.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/04/14/young/index.html

MONARCH, is that you?

...Nah, this was in english

MONARCH
04-22-2006, 06:16 PM
Greetings pelo19, and welcome to the board....

There is absolutely no need to post such a long and endearing dialogue so near the upcoming draft -- for please believe me, although your intense/passionate rhetoric rings true -- the actual wording has been disseminated over and over so much, that we are all STEELBLUE in the face.....

JUST TRUST IN YOUR HEART, AND KNOW -- THAT THE TEXANS ARE PREPARING AN ENDEARING, AND YET SOUND STRATEGY FOR THE AGES.....

OUR NATIVE SON, VINCE YOUNG -- is indeed coming home great pal -- FOR THE CLOUDS ARE STARTING TO PART -- DRAFT DAY 2006 COMETH!
MONARCH

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 06:36 PM
Greetings pelo19, and welcome to the board....

There is absolutely no need to post such a long and endearing dialogue so near the upcoming draft -- for please believe me, although your intense/passionate rhetoric rings true -- the actual wording has been disseminated over and over so much, that we are all STEELBLUE in the face.....

JUST TRUST IN YOUR HEART, AND KNOW -- THAT THE TEXANS ARE PREPARING AN ENDEARING, AND YET SOUND STRATEGY FOR THE AGES.....

OUR NATIVE SON, VINCE YOUNG -- is indeed coming home great pal -- FOR THE CLOUDS ARE STARTING TO PART -- DRAFT DAY 2006 COMETH!
MONARCH
priceless.

chuckm
04-22-2006, 06:58 PM
Greetings pelo19, and welcome to the board....

There is absolutely no need to post such a long and endearing dialogue so near the upcoming draft -- for please believe me, although your intense/passionate rhetoric rings true -- the actual wording has been disseminated over and over so much, that we are all STEELBLUE in the face.....

JUST TRUST IN YOUR HEART, AND KNOW -- THAT THE TEXANS ARE PREPARING AN ENDEARING, AND YET SOUND STRATEGY FOR THE AGES.....

OUR NATIVE SON, VINCE YOUNG -- is indeed coming home great pal -- FOR THE CLOUDS ARE STARTING TO PART -- DRAFT DAY 2006 COMETH!
MONARCH

another masterpiece ... congrats

Porky
04-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Greetings pelo19, and welcome to the board....

There is absolutely no need to post such a long and endearing dialogue so near the upcoming draft -- for please believe me, although your intense/passionate rhetoric rings true -- the actual wording has been disseminated over and over so much, that we are all STEELBLUE in the face.....

JUST TRUST IN YOUR HEART, AND KNOW -- THAT THE TEXANS ARE PREPARING AN ENDEARING, AND YET SOUND STRATEGY FOR THE AGES.....

OUR NATIVE SON, VINCE YOUNG -- is indeed coming home great pal -- FOR THE CLOUDS ARE STARTING TO PART -- DRAFT DAY 2006 COMETH!
MONARCH

Don't worry, the Meds will be here soon. In the meantime, you and your imaginary friend Pelo19, are welcome to come to the rec room, where we will be discussing the movie Sybil.

Nawzer
04-22-2006, 07:16 PM
I wish VY the very best except for when he plays against us. Sometimes I think the board comes of a bit negative and harsh on VY. As a Houstonian and a long time fan of his I sincerely hope for the best with VY. Because wherever he goes, he's going to represent his hometown. But I just don't see him being drafted by the Texans and I'll leave it at that.

Big B Texan Fan
04-22-2006, 07:21 PM
they have Andre Johnson, a pro-bowl type Wide Receiver when he's got a passing game to be part of, also they just signed Eric Moulds and still have the capable Jabar Gaffney, so I think they have plenty of receivers.

pelo-

loved every word of it except the part where we still have Gaffney. He's an Eagle now bro.

SeŮor Stan
04-22-2006, 07:25 PM
Don't worry, the Meds will be here soon. In the meantime, you and your imaginary friend Pelo19, are welcome to come to the rec room, where we will be discussing the movie Sybil.

I hear McMurphy will be reenacting the World Series.

DRAMA
04-22-2006, 09:04 PM
I hear McMurphy will be reenacting the World Series.

"The next woman takes me on's gonna light up like a pinball machine and pay off in silver dollars!"

Sincerely,

Randall

:)

MONARCH
04-22-2006, 09:17 PM
Don't worry, the Meds will be here soon. In the meantime, you and your imaginary friend Pelo19, are welcome to come to the rec room, where we will be discussing the movie Sybil.

REC ROOM? ......for is this what they are still calling it in TOMBALL....?

COME FORTH MY GOOD PORKY! Come and visit us within the confines of the big city "DOWNTOWN HOUSTON" -- for I would be honored to introduce you to my "theater room" -- but please be forewarned -- for we will not be at all be discussing the movie of your profound heroin "sybil", we will be discussing highlights of the 2005-06 ROSE BOWL -- TEXAS vs USC......

.....for you see, these opulent and yet plush surroundings, have certain way of making one come to their senses regarding the current state of reality.....

.....and if this does not work -- you could always bring along those meds that you are waiting for.....heck, I'll be more than happy to supply the "Ozarka".....

VINCE YOUNG IS THE ANSWER.....just you wait and see.....
MONARCH

HJam72
04-22-2006, 09:19 PM
No matter what happens on draft day, I will definitely remember the name Monarch. :)

swtbound07
04-22-2006, 09:20 PM
can we pool together to get monarch a webcam??? i wanna watch his reaction after the pick

Mike Kerns
04-22-2006, 10:09 PM
MONARCH, Man, I really hope you don't disappear after the draft is over & Vince doesn't "come home." I have grown to rather enjoy your posts:ok:

HJam72
04-23-2006, 12:16 AM
can we pool together to get monarch a webcam??? i wanna watch his reaction after the pick

lol:

I'd pitch in for that!

ThaShark316
04-23-2006, 04:17 AM
can we pool together to get monarch a webcam??? i wanna watch his reaction after the pick

How bout you follow me to the draft party...OMG, I'm ready to LMAO @ the ppl who don't want Bush.

Coach C.
04-23-2006, 05:03 AM
Bravo Bravo_ Vince supporters I commend you on your fortitude and never say die attitude. Keep the faith. Hope you stay Texans fans when he goes somewhere else, but if not it was a pleasure.

Untamed Guerillaz
04-23-2006, 08:43 AM
Bravo Bravo_ Vince supporters I commend you on your fortitude and never say die attitude. Keep the faith. Hope you stay Texans fans when he goes somewhere else, but if not it was a pleasure.
The Question is will you be a Texan fan when RB goes somewhere else and we get another player. Yall just need to lay off VY if you don't have nothing good to say just shut up and let the man be b/cthats what its all boil down too..also remember he is from Houston you wouldn't want the little homies come knock on your door

Coach C.
04-23-2006, 08:50 AM
first off Untamed Vince from around the same hood I am from, so dont think for a minute that I dont understand the struggle that Vince had to go through. The homies see me everytime I go back and see my fam.

Next I was complenting the VY supporters for their resolve eventhough everyone including the Texans are saying he is not in their plans. Check my avatar, I would not have a problem if Reggie Bush goes somewhere else. Mario Williams is my guy.

Next time you open your mouth take a minute and think about what you are about to say.

Goldeagle
04-23-2006, 09:04 AM
I favor Vince over Bush (I favor a trade down and gtting D Brick overall) because BUsh makes statements like this:

"I would love to be the #1 pick in the draft."

Vince makes comments like this:

"I want to play for the Houston Texans."

LoneStarState
04-23-2006, 09:10 AM
Anyone see the full page ad in the Chronicle this morning?! Wow! Someone spent a whole lot of money!!

Goldeagle
04-23-2006, 09:28 AM
No, what is it?

LoneStarState
04-23-2006, 09:36 AM
No, what is it?
The ad? A full page (well 1/2 of it) letter to Bob McNair telling him to take Vince Young. The other half of the page is a letter to VY supporters to write the Texans. Sort of a political campaign-type letter. I swear - people have been watching too much West Wing!

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 09:49 AM
boy just think of where'd the eagles be if they drafted ricky williams over donovan mcnabb because the fans wanted it so.

gwallaia
04-23-2006, 11:08 AM
Pelo, you should take out a full page ad in the Chronicle and let Bob McNair know your feelings.

Eyeguy
04-23-2006, 12:13 PM
Reggie McNeal will end up being a better or equal pro QB than VY. Plenty of examples of QB's drafted in the lower rounds who are better than those QB's drafted in the 1st round. McNeal is faster and has better throwing motion than Young. If Young does not beat Olk. he is no more than a 3-4th rounder. He lost every big game before this year, remember. No disrespect to VY, but he is hands down the most overrated player in this draft.

Wolf
04-23-2006, 12:21 PM
wow I wish I could get a twighlight zone episode where VY went to USC and Reggie Bush went to Texas. I just wonder what the posts would be like on this thing

Eyeguy
04-23-2006, 12:25 PM
wow I wish I could get a twighlight zone episode where VY went to USC and Reggie Bush went to Texas. I just wonder what the posts would be like on this thing
USC would not have 2 national championships in 3 years

swtbound07
04-23-2006, 12:28 PM
USC would not have 2 national championships in 3 years


They dont anyway

www.onepeat.com

awtysst
04-23-2006, 12:45 PM
Reggie McNeal will end up being a better or equal pro QB than VY. Plenty of examples of QB's drafted in the lower rounds who are better than those QB's drafted in the 1st round. McNeal is faster and has better throwing motion than Young. If Young does not beat Olk. he is no more than a 3-4th rounder. He lost every big game before this year, remember. No disrespect to VY, but he is hands down the most overrated player in this draft.


You might not like, Vince Young, but you should give him the props he desearves. Have you already forgotten the 2005 Rose Bowl game against Michigan? That was a BIG Game he won that was not this year. What about going 11-1 that year? Do not label me a "UT Homer" as I never went, but do realize that VY HAS won big games and his a strong prospect. He isn't overrated at all.

kastofsna
04-23-2006, 01:08 PM
They dont anyway

www.onepeat.com
money well spent.

Eyeguy
04-23-2006, 01:10 PM
You might not like, Vince Young, but you should give him the props he desearves. Have you already forgotten the 2005 Rose Bowl game against Michigan? That was a BIG Game he won that was not this year. What about going 11-1 that year? Do not label me a "UT Homer" as I never went, but do realize that VY HAS won big games and his a strong prospect. He isn't overrated at all.

I mean no disrespect to VY, he is a great talent. That said I still think time will show he was that most overrated player in this draft.

bad
04-23-2006, 01:17 PM
I mean no disrespect to VY, he is a great talent. That said I still think time will show he was that most overrated player in this draft. That's possible, though I doubt it.

It's also possible that time will show him to be the most underrated player to come out of this year's draft, though I doubt that also.

Time will tell. No doubt.