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LongBignasty1
04-22-2006, 10:29 AM
Just want to remind everyone that VY is my pick for Texans first round.
Watch the videos again (rose bowl 2004$2005) to refresh your minds on the possibility of having VY!

Tale Gator
04-22-2006, 10:45 AM
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nunusguy
04-22-2006, 10:47 AM
I'm anxious and excited to see where VY goes in the Draft. IMO, like many others I would expect him to be a project to some degree initially, but his potential over the long-term should be extraorinary. Good luck Vince, do you home town proud, we know you will and we'll all be pulling for you !

Marcus
04-22-2006, 10:48 AM
Then you can look forward to your disappointment come next Saturday when Bush is already signed before he's selected.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 10:58 AM
yeah watch the videos of him running around and throwing short passes in a zone-read offense. exciting.

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:00 AM
yeah watch the videos of him running around and throwing short passes in a zone-read offense. exciting.50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.

Trenches
04-22-2006, 11:02 AM
I didnt go to UT nor am I anti Vince Young.

I have no idea why some people still hang on to this idea that we will take him.

1.We just committed to our QB David Carr. You dont pay a guy that much money and then draft another guy and pay him almost as much to ride the pine behind him.

2. He is not going to play for at least one, if not three years. McNair needs to get people in the stadium and excited. Nobody is going just to see VY holding a clipboard.

3. I'm sure the Texans have seen the same thing in VY that a lot of other teams have. He has warts. Too many to invest this type of pick in. There is a chance he falls out of the top 5 and even top 10. Look what happened to Aaron Rodgers last year.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 11:03 AM
50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.
yes, bj symons put up a lot of points as well.

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:03 AM
I didnt go to UT nor am I anti Vince Young.

I have no idea why some people still hang on to this idea that we will take him.

To me, it looks like the thread starter is saying that "he" would take VY...I don't see him predicting the Texans are going to take him.

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:04 AM
yes, bj symons put up a lot of points as well.yeah, so did Timmy Chang...your posting style is cute to some I guess....but to me you don't look too sharp.

Trenches
04-22-2006, 11:07 AM
yes, bj symons put up a lot of points as well.


whatever happend to BJ Symons?

Marcus
04-22-2006, 11:08 AM
50 points a game isn't enough for you guys....perhaps he should have averaged 100. That may be considered exciting to you guys...but I doubt it.
Vinny, do you think that in order for Vince to be effective in the NFL, he would need the 'zone read' system?

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:10 AM
Vinny, do you think that in order for Vince to be effective in the NFL, he would need the 'zone read' system?no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.

Coach C.
04-22-2006, 11:15 AM
Yeah, I agree Vinny that if Young is brought along as slowly as McNair was he has the potential to have greater success. He is still not a number 1 overall pick talent, but from watching him I say he is now a first round talent which is much higher than I thought he would be.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 11:26 AM
yeah, so did Timmy Chang...your posting style is cute to some I guess....but to me you don't look too sharp.
young is a system QB, that's all i'm saying. :redtowel:
no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.
it was a passing offense at alcorn state, and from what i understand, it's similar to what all the MAC QB's run.

Kaiser Toro
04-22-2006, 11:26 AM
Does anyone know when the NFL draft is?

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:31 AM
young is a system QB, that's all i'm saying. :redtowel:

it was a passing offense at alcorn state, and from what i understand, it's similar to what all the MAC QB's run.You didn't say that at first....You only said he wasn't running an exciting offense. That is what I took to task.

Steve played in the Southwestern Athletic Conference (far cry from the mac) and they ran an offense that most decribed as "drawing plays in the dirt"....I was working for Bud Adams back then and heard that he was too stupid to play QB at the next level over and over that year leading up to the draft. Seems familiar to what I see when it comes to VY.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 11:34 AM
You didn't say that at first....You only said he wasn't running an exciting offense. That is what I took to task.
i've never found quarterbacks running a lot to be exciting. i always chuckle when someone says vick is the most exciting player in the NFL.

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:36 AM
ok, then you should love David Carr....we didn't have a lead till week 8. It's just ignorant to claim an offense that is blowing people out each week to be worthless....that is the point of all this you know. Football is unlike Golf...you try to outscore your opponent - most people find that kind of stuff exciting in an offense. I always chuckle when people just throw out silly hatred filled posts without foundation myself.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 11:38 AM
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.

Vinny
04-22-2006, 11:40 AM
your stuff is here...I've seen it over and over. It will be here next year after they play too. I've seen your type come and go over the last half decade on this board and we shall talk in a year...if you are here. I doubt it though

Kaiser Toro
04-22-2006, 11:41 AM
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.

Although I agree on Alex Smith, VY is on a whole another level in my opinion. He will be a lot of fun to watch on Thursdays, Saturdays, Sunday afternoon, Sunday evening and Monday Nights.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 11:41 AM
i guess i just hate system QB's, what can i say.

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-22-2006, 12:06 PM
Aren't most successful QB's in the NFL system QB's to a degree?

disaacks3
04-22-2006, 12:06 PM
System QB's can be all fine and good, it just depends on the system...

I'd still like to see two things though.

1. Carr still gets a chance to become an NFL QB behind a REAL Offensive Line.

2. All the VY bandwagonners that think the Texans HAVE to take a QB at #1 begin actually discussing the other QB's who Vince isn't head & shoulders above...especially in a Pro-Set offense.

I will say this though - If Kubiak thinks that VY is the best choice at the 1st pick from a purely Football point-of-view (forget marketing, etc.) for HIS system, then by all means take him and don't look back.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 12:12 PM
Aren't most successful QB's in the NFL system QB's to a degree?
there really is no "system offense" in the NFL.

Tulip
04-22-2006, 12:12 PM
i guess i just hate system QB's, what can i say.

Because the overused term "system quarterback" doesn't really apply to Vince Young, I suppose it's a euphemism.

But a euphemism for what?

System Quarterback = not Reggie Bush?
System Quarterback = can't directly compare him to previous NFL QBs; therefore he must be a lesser player?
System Quarterback = he dares to commit the unpardonable offense of quarterbacking while black?
System Quarterback = he played for TU?
System Quarterback = hope he isn't drafted by the Jets, Bills, or Patriots?

So many possibilities - I'm clueless.

Tulip
04-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Aren't most successful QB's in the NFL system QB's to a degree?

Doesn't every team have a system?

Even Joe Pendry had a system - even if Dan Reeves couldn't figure it out.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 12:16 PM
Because the overused term "system quarterback" doensn't really apply to Vince Young, I suppose it's a euphemism.

But a euphemism for what?

System Quarterback = not Reggie Bush?
System Quarterback = can't directly compare him to previous NFL QBs; therefore he must be a lesser player?
System Quarterback = he dares to commit the unpardonable offense of quarterbacking while black?
System Quarterback = he played for TU?
System Quarterback = hope he isn't drafted by the Jets, Bills, or Patriots?

So many possibilities - I'm clueless.
all of the above!

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-22-2006, 12:18 PM
Doesn't every team have a system?

Even Joe Pendry had a system - even if Dan Reeves couldn't figure it out.




Exactly what I was getting at. All of this talk about Vince Young only being a system QB is garbage.

Mr. White
04-22-2006, 01:13 PM
If we're talking about "system QBs", then I think Leinart should also be in the conversation.

swtbound07
04-22-2006, 01:19 PM
yeah watch the videos of him running around and throwing short passes in a zone-read offense. exciting.


so im to assume the rose bowl bored you to tears?

bad
04-22-2006, 02:05 PM
I'm anxious and excited to see where VY goes in the Draft. IMO, like many others I would expect him to be a project to some degree initially, but his potential over the long-term should be extraorinary. Good luck Vince, do you home town proud, we know you will and we'll all be pulling for you ! That's the spirit!

Young's destiny lies not with the Texans, but it should be great fun watching the carnage once he adapts to the NFL game. I'll cheer him on, even when he plays the Texans I'd like to see him excel (and his team lose).

This is the mindset I try to have when considering the possibility (and it's possible) that Reggie Bush's destiny may lie elsewhere and we'll have to contend with him instead of wearing his Offically Licensed Battle Red Jersey.

GP
04-22-2006, 03:06 PM
He'll go #3 to the Titans.

1. Bush to Texans
2. Ferguson to N.O. (To watch the back of banged up Brees)
3. Young to Titans (To take over for Steve McNair who's ready to go...to Ravens?)
4. Leinart to Jets (Only someone THIS arrogant and pretty can play in NY)
5. AJ Hawk to Green Bay (Tough-as-nails attitude plays large at Lambeau)
6. Williams to San Fran (Need a pass rusher in a bad way)
7. Oakland (Davis the TE...Big & fast for Al Davis who needs receiving threats)

I will say this, though: All of this will get blown up if a blockbuster trade goes down for another team to move up and grab Bush.

And as I ponder it more and more, our front office has always been willing to trade down if it thinks it can secure more picks at "value" spots.

Get ready for a very possible meltdown when we trade away the top pick and get average compensation for it. I don't see us getting huge draft value for trading the top pick...I see us getting less than what we all think we should get. Why? Because that's the way it's played out in about all of our drafts thus far.

bad
04-22-2006, 03:13 PM
...I'm clueless. Funny...I've never seen you at any of the meetings...:stooges:

TexansLucky13
04-22-2006, 03:15 PM
Heh. If we really needed a new QB we would get one that was a bit more reliable than Vince. There is no way to know how the NFL will hit Cutler, Leinart and Young.... but I can tell you right here and now that it will be much more difficult for a "one progression then hit the ground running" QB to adjust than it will be for a pocket passer. We all love to watch Vince play, he is an exciting athlete. But he just doesn't fit in where we need him, and we've known this for months now.

IMO Vince will not go in the top 5. I will enjoy watching the Texans v. Raiders game next year when we will see Rosebowl round 2, Reggie vs. Vince.

thunderkyss
04-22-2006, 03:23 PM
Count me in for Vince also......

no. He has more upside than Steve McNair coming out of little Alcorn State, and they ran an offense that people laughed at when Steve made the move to the NFL.

What kind of offense did McNabb run @ Syracuse?? Not that it has anything to do with this subject, I just wanted to know.

LORK 88
04-22-2006, 03:32 PM
I got 3 words for ya: GIVE IT UP!!!

thunderkyss
04-22-2006, 03:35 PM
system QB's aren't first rounder in my book. that's all it is. he could develop fine, but he's not worth the risk of drafting in the first round. i said the same thing of alex smith last year.

And you see how worthless that opinion was last year??


Bye the Bye....... wasn't Kurt Warner.... & Trent Green System QBs??

Texans86
04-22-2006, 03:36 PM
Many people still believe Young will move to the Titans; however, with McNair possibly being gone next year, I think the Titans will go with a more traditional QB. The main reason most people thought he would land there is so he could sit for a year or two behind his mentor, and now that seems unlikely. My bet is that he falls down to Detroit, if not there, somewhere in the 11-14 range.

thunderkyss
04-22-2006, 03:38 PM
Many people still believe Young will move to the Titans; however, with McNair possibly being gone next year, I think the Titans will go with a more traditional QB. The main reason most people thought he would land there is so he could sit for a year or two behind his mentor, and now that seems unlikely. My bet is that he falls down to Detroit, if not there, somewhere in the 11-14 range.

Most people think Billy Volek will start next year, while Vince is Groomed.

kastofsna
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
most likely the titans take either leinart or cutler.

Texans86
04-22-2006, 03:40 PM
Most people think Billy Volek will start next year, while Vince is Groomed.

I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.

thunderkyss
04-22-2006, 03:45 PM
I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.


If the Titans wanted to win, they'd do what it takes to keep McNair... they are rebuilding, and are being pretty open about it. Hence, Vince....... more upside, than any QB available.

Trenches
04-22-2006, 03:54 PM
I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.


I dont really get this either.

Taking a QB this high in the first round is a huge gamble. the odds are def not that high that he will pan out and its a BIG contract to sign. The guy will usually sit on the sidelines or really suck for the first couple of years. And then he may not even turn out to be that good.

Seems to me like if you have developed a guy who looks decent then the smart pick is to put talent around him rather than gambling on such a high risk/high reward prospect.

Marcus
04-22-2006, 04:34 PM
I will say this though - If Kubiak thinks that VY is the best choice at the 1st pick from a purely Football point-of-view (forget marketing, etc.) for HIS system, then by all means take him and don't look back.

If Kubiak actually thought that, and took Young for that reason, and that reason alone, I'd back his choice 110 per cent.

Problem is . . .if Young is taken with the 1st overall pick, I'd have a tough time believing that it was Kubiak's decision alone. I'd be deeply suspicious that McNair knuckled under to the marketing side of the equation.

Granted, a lot of the homers would jump for joy if Vince was taken, no doubt. But the accusations would fly fast and furious . . . count on it.

Sportsfan
04-22-2006, 05:00 PM
Then you can look forward to your disappointment come next Saturday when Bush is already signed before he's selected.


yep

bigcarlos
04-22-2006, 05:04 PM
Taking a QB this high in the first round is a huge gamble. the odds are def not that high that he will pan out and its a BIG contract to sign. The guy will usually sit on the sidelines or really suck for the first couple of years. And then he may not even turn out to be that good.

.
Well that happened to us before:brickwall

Eyeguy
04-22-2006, 05:10 PM
I think the Texans are better off looking at Reggie McNeil. He has about the same skills as Young (faster and better release point) and we would not have to use a 1st round pick. The Texans DON"T need a QB, but if everyone is set on picking a local kid to play QB I think McNeal is the better choice for the value.

Exascor
04-22-2006, 05:38 PM
I think the Texans are better off looking at Reggie McNeil. He has about the same skills as Young (faster and better release point) and we would not have to use a 1st round pick. The Texans DON"T need a QB, but if everyone is set on picking a local kid to play QB I think McNeal is the better choice for the value.I liked McNeil but he's not in Young's class. Young has "it". It's beyond his physical skills and the stats he's produced. He has the ability to load the team up on his shoulders and take them further than they could alone. McNeil doesn't even come close. Unfortunately I don't believe Carr has "it" either.

I was caught up in the Rose Bowl hype and wanted the Texans to take Young. I've changed my mind since so I'm in the "Draft Bush" camp at this stage but Young still stikes fear in me. If he lands with the Titans and becomes their next McNair (and I believe he could) he could haunt us for year's to come. Then again, if we pass up on Bush and he turns out to be the next Marshall Faulk and Young turns out to be a bust we'd be the butt of jokes for years. People would say "Bush was a sure thing and they wasted that pick on a 'local boy'." Best senarios imo are for us to take Bush and Young to be taken by any team other than the Titans or to trade down and get Ferguson or Williams.

GP
04-22-2006, 05:40 PM
If Kubiak actually thought that, and took Young for that reason, and that reason alone, I'd back his choice 110 per cent.

Problem is . . .if Young is taken with the 1st overall pick, I'd have a tough time believing that it was Kubiak's decision alone. I'd be deeply suspicious that McNair knuckled under to the marketing side of the equation.

Granted, a lot of the homers would jump for joy if Vince was taken, no doubt. But the accusations would fly fast and furious . . . count on it.

McNair won't knuckle under the marketing side of the equation. He sat through all of last season's home games and saw empty seats BEFORE the game began, and then saw even more empty seats after each quarter of play had concluded....and he still refused to fire Capers under intense fan scrutiny and outcry. For an owner to sit there and watch an entire season of home game empty seats IN MASSES and refuse to do anything about an obviously inept coaching staff, special teams excluded, then I doubt he's worried too much about the ramifications of drafting or not drafting Vince Young.

He didn't buckle then, and he ain't gonna' buckle under a bunch of U.T. Vince Young homers who think "their" guy is the only guy any smart team would take with the number 1 pick in the draft.

I doubt VY is anywhere near the Texans' radar.

Big B Texan Fan
04-22-2006, 10:40 PM
I think Volek has potential to be a starter. He definately did the job when McNair got hurt this year or last (I forget). I wonder why the Titans aren't seriously considering him to replace McNair. I guess every team wants that 1st rounder to lead their team.
Just like all the other Fresno St. QB's (except Dilfer, although his D won the games while he didn't lose them), they know he will not amount to a hill of beans in he NFL.

thunderkyss
04-22-2006, 11:28 PM
If Kubiak actually thought that, and took Young for that reason, and that reason alone, I'd back his choice 110 per cent.

Problem is . . .if Young is taken with the 1st overall pick, I'd have a tough time believing that it was Kubiak's decision alone. I'd be deeply suspicious that McNair knuckled under to the marketing side of the equation.

Granted, a lot of the homers would jump for joy if Vince was taken, no doubt. But the accusations would fly fast and furious . . . count on it.

Matt's stock has fallen so far now, it isn't even funny.... I haven't checked the mocks yet, but they are probably a little behind right now, because it just doesn't compute yet.

Norm Chow.... USC..... Jeff Fisher.... USC......... Matt Leinart...... USC... it ought to fit. But the Titans are making the decision for the long haul... and only a fool would think Matt has the upside Vince does.


He didn't buckle then, and he ain't gonna' buckle under a bunch of U.T. Vince Young homers who think "their" guy is the only guy any smart team would take with the number 1 pick in the draft.

Now that's not fair..... it's actually the Reggie Bush guys who are less open about picks other than their guy.

kbourda
04-23-2006, 12:32 AM
Count me in for Vince also......



What kind of offense did McNabb run @ Syracuse?? Not that it has anything to do with this subject, I just wanted to know.


McNabb passed from out of the shotgun a bunch at Syracuse.

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 05:40 AM
Most people think Billy Volek will start next year, while Vince is Groomed.

The AFC South will be fun next year with the Fresno State Fantasy Football Camp in full swing.

Coach C.
04-23-2006, 06:01 AM
Vince will need more than one year to be groomed, but I would like to see what Volek could do as a starter.

Coach C.
04-23-2006, 06:12 AM
Kubiak another smart post. Mario would do wonders for our defense and that is the worst part of the ball. I understand people really feel like Weaver is stout, but he is a glorified DT, I will say that till he proves me wrong. Kalu is injured often and when he is not he is solid in spot play, Sam Cowart aging and it is showing which is disturbing, and Michael Stone may not even make it through camp. Did I forget any big time defensive additions. What Kubiak has done for the defense is brought in veterans to help, but they cannot be counted on to really hold teams.

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 06:15 AM
Kubiak another smart post. Mario would do wonders for our defense and that is the worst part of the ball. I understand people really feel like Weaver is stout, but he is a glorified DT, I will say that till he proves me wrong. Kalu is injured often and when he is not he is solid in spot play, Sam Cowart aging and it is showing which is disturbing, and Michael Stone may not even make it through camp. Did I forget any big time defensive additions. What Kubiak has done for the defense is brought in veterans to help, but they cannot be counted on to really hold teams.

If we draft amd sign Bush expect our defense to suffer for years. We will have no cash for any big time FA acquisitions.

axman40
04-23-2006, 11:10 AM
I got 3 words for ya: GIVE IT UP!!!
Not until the 29th!

:stirpot: :ok:

LoneStarState
04-23-2006, 11:18 AM
If we draft amd sign Bush expect our defense to suffer for years. We will have no cash for any big time FA acquisitions.
:um:

dirty steve
04-23-2006, 12:18 PM
Matt's stock has fallen so far now, it isn't even funny.... I haven't checked the mocks yet, but they are probably a little behind right now, because it just doesn't computer yet.


every mock i am looking at (1 on espn and 3 on sportsline) have leinart going at number three overall and one at ten. i wouldn't exactly call that a freefall. but like you said they must be behind (your opinion). and what do you mean by "computer yet?"

Honoring Earl 34
04-23-2006, 12:30 PM
Some folks want the Texans to draft Vince Young 1st ... and you can make a good case he will not be the 1st QB taken unless its by the Texans . He may not be the 2nd QB taken .

I will bet Reggie Bush is the 1st RB taken . I 'll bet Mario Williams is the 1st DL taken . You know what I'll bet DBrick is the 1st OL taken . These are certain ... the Vince stuff is wishfull thinking .

Mailman04
04-23-2006, 12:37 PM
P-L-E-A-S-E, Texans need Vince Young as much as I need the flu. Why don't you just trade all the players not from Texas on the roster for players from Houston and Texas?

thunderkyss
04-23-2006, 01:09 PM
every mock i am looking at (1 on espn and 3 on sportsline) have leinart going at number three overall and one at ten. i wouldn't exactly call that a freefall. but like you said they must be behind (your opinion). and what do you mean by "computer yet?"

I meant compute yet.... Matt is the logical safe choice.... But Tennesee will take Vince, if we don't get him first... which all signs point to us not taking Vince Young

Some folks want the Texans to draft Vince Young 1st ... and you can make a good case he will not be the 1st QB taken unless its by the Texans . He may not be the 2nd QB taken .

I will bet Reggie Bush is the 1st RB taken . I 'll bet Mario Williams is the 1st DL taken . You know what I'll bet DBrick is the 1st OL taken . These are certain ... the Vince stuff is wishfull thinking .

I bet Vince will be the first QB taken.......

If we don't draft Reggie Bush, I can see N.O. passing.... & Tennessee may very well take Leinart or Cutler to build their team around. I don't see the Jets passing, so more than likely Reggie Will be the first RB taken......

P-L-E-A-S-E, Texans need Vince Young as much as I need the flu. Why don't you just trade all the players not from Texas on the roster for players from Houston and Texas?

We need Reggie about as much as you need the flu...... We've got three ProBowlers on offense who play the WR position. We've got a RB who has had three back to back seasons where he has improved significantly. Ranked 19th in 2003, ranked 15th in 2004, and ranked 9th in 2005..... on bad teams mind you. He has ranked extremely well amoung all running backs in the league while playing on a team that has never had a winning season. that has never won three games in a row.....

But I guess you guys won't be happy 'til our backfield is full of Cali-boys.....
I can't wait til the 29th. I hope VY ends up in New York. I think Lienart will end up in Tennessee. They need a QB ready to start now. Volek is not the answer. He will be a career back up. He is like Cody Carlson, very good back up but when handed the keys to the offense failed terribly.

By the way didn't CC say a couple of years ago the reason they drafted Ragone over Simms is because he was from Texas and he needed to get of the area to do well in the NFL. or was that hear say, I don't remember.......
And David was a backup to Volek....... couldn't beat him at Fresno, but we should believe he is ProBowl material in the NFL, where Volek is a back-up at best..... :ok: If Tennessee needed a QB to start now, they would have worked it out with McNair... his performance to salary ratio is much more acceptable than Carr's, and that's with McNair's inflated deal...... because he earned it, with his performance from past, recent years.

When has Volek been handed the keys & failed terribly?? A couple of years ago, teams were going after him like they are for Shaub now.

I bet CC is kicking himself in the *** now over that Ragone/Simms deal now.

thunderkyss
04-23-2006, 01:57 PM
He hasn't been handed the keys full time yet. Cody was given the keys back 94 or 95 forget what year and couldn't cut it.

Henson's story isn't over yet.....

His problem was being away from the game for so long..... not poor performance on the football field right after his college career.

thunderkyss
04-23-2006, 02:03 PM
Okay well Carrs problem is due to the lack of protection by the offensive line.

You're right, that's the same thing.

We were discussing Volek though

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 02:09 PM
:um:

If we sign Bush we will have approx 62 million spent on offense, 22 million of it will be spent on three players until 2008.

We have Walker's dead cap hit of 5+million next year and I would assume that dead space will go up. Granted we do get some goodness with the cap going up incrementally each year.

Is the sky falling? No, but something to be concerned about if Robinson, Greenwood, TJ, Peek, Babin and others don't show us some improvement.

thunderkyss
04-23-2006, 04:52 PM
No YOU brought up Carr not me.

Which brings us back to you thinking Billy Volek is a back-up at best..... but Carr is a potential ProBowler..... even though Billy started ahead of Carr in college.....

This is not a knock on Carr.. but a compliment to Billy.

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The NFL is an entertainment enterprise. Itís business purpose is to derive profits from entertaining the public. Itís ultimate customers are its fans. Engendering customer loyalty is the key to all forms of revenue...ticket sales, merchandise sales and advertising.

I am a Dallas Cowboys fan, have been for over 40 years. I have attended scores and scores of games and viewed on TV the bulk of the remaining contests. I love the Star....and its stars: Meredith, Lilly, Hayes... Staubach, Pearson, Dorsett... Aikman, Smith, Irvin.

Until they moved, I loved the Oilers, too....Pastorini, Bethea, Moon....but most of all, I loved Earl Campbell. Why? Because to me, Earl was the ďspecialĒ player, a fabulous talent on the field and, just as importantly, he was the one I already loved before he was an Oiler..the one Iíll love for as long as I can remember the names of football players. And now there is Vince...

Vince is Superman! I love that young man...for what heís done for my school and for what heís done for my state. He has entertained me beyond my wildest expectations. He dazzles me. I have seen no one EVER who is like him. The closest I can come is to say he reminds me of Roger Staubach...he can throw, he can run, he is a fabulous leader and he hates to lose, and rarely does... and if it is possible for anyone to do so, it is Vince who has the potential to match what Roger did, and even to exceed it!

I am a Texan. That is a word that is full of meaning to a native of this state. And there is a NFL team who claims that name...but, in recent weeks, I have come to wonder if they understand what the word actually means to those of us who proudly claim the title. They seem to resent the pressure from their fans (and potential fans) who want the privilege of having a Texas Superman on their Texas team... a virtuoso talent no less, who they already love and who they believe will do for his next team what he has done for every team he has played for...thrill his fans and take them on a magical ride with each and every game and with a Championship as a realizable goal. Truth is, we Texans love football, but we have high expectations for our teams...we want them to be good and we want them to win and we want to believe we can be Champions along with them.

Houston, you have a chance to be this decadeís Champions. Seize it! Vince will show you the way... and millions of fans who call themselves Texans will beat a path to your door.

Kaiser Toro
04-23-2006, 05:12 PM
The NFL is an entertainment enterprise. Itís business purpose is to derive profits from entertaining the public. Itís ultimate customers are its fans. Engendering customer loyalty is the key to all forms of revenue...ticket sales, merchandise sales and advertising.

I am a Dallas Cowboys fan, have been for over 40 years. I have attended scores and scores of games and viewed on TV the bulk of the remaining contests. I love the Star....and its stars: Meredith, Lilly, Hayes... Staubach, Pearson, Dorsett... Aikman, Smith, Irvin.

Until they moved, I loved the Oilers, too....Pastorini, Bethea, Moon....but most of all, I loved Earl Campbell. Why? Because to me, Earl was the ďspecialĒ player, a fabulous talent on the field and, just as importantly, he was the one I already loved before he was an Oiler..the one Iíll love for as long as I can remember the names of football players. And now there is Vince...

Vince is Superman! I love that young man...for what heís done for my school and for what heís done for my state. He has entertained me beyond my wildest expectations. He dazzles me. I have seen no one EVER who is like him. The closest I can come is to say he reminds me of Roger Staubach...he can throw, he can run, he is a fabulous leader and he hates to lose, and rarely does... and if it is possible for anyone to do so, it is Vince who has the potential to match what Roger did, and even to exceed it!

I am a Texan. That is a word that is full of meaning to a native of this state. And there is a NFL team who claims that name...but, in recent weeks, I have come to wonder if they understand what the word actually means to those of us who proudly claim the title. They seem to resent the pressure from their fans (and potential fans) who want the privilege of having a Texas Superman on their Texas team... a virtuoso talent no less, who they already love and who they believe will do for his next team what he has done for every team he has played for...thrill his fans and take them on a magical ride with each and every game and with a Championship as a realizable goal. Truth is, we Texans love football, but we have high expectations for our teams...we want them to be good and we want them to win and we want to believe we can be Champions along with them.

Houston, you have a chance to be this decadeís Champions. Seize it! Vince will show you the way... and millions of fans who call themselves Texans will beat a path to your door.

Although I share every sentiment here, I do not want VY or any high priced QB's who do not have NFL experience. Vince I believe will be my favorite NFL player in a couple of years. I hope that somehow he will come back to the Texans when he and the organization are ready.

light
04-23-2006, 05:15 PM
i agree, the texans should trade up from the 33 pick to the packers 5th pick the day of the draft. i dont care if they have to give up four picks for vince young it would be worth it. i know that if kubiak developed an athletic winner like vince he will be able to carry us to a super bowl. david carr is still an unproven quarterback who came out of the 2002 draft possibly the worst draft ever. you cant foget the the fact that vince young only lost two college games one of which he only played half the game. also vince had over 3000 yards last year and carried his offense to a national championship:superman: . it is true what sports analyst say about his weird throwing motion and the fact he mostly played in a spread out shotgun offense. but if you think thatvince doesnt have what it takes your just plain stupid. hes got heart. anyways reggie bush and vince young would keep defensive coordinators up all night.reggie bush mvp 07