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JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 02:50 PM
.....should create some good discussion......

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060421

Well, at least new coach Gary Kubiak probably wants the media to believe Casserly has final say. That way, Kubiak can blame a long-gone Casserly if Young turns out to be much better than the player the Texans take. Kubiak has told sources around the league that he's a "Vince guy," but Casserly has been a "Reggie guy" from the start.

sorry just realized how long this was....may need to cut it down?

tulexan
04-21-2006, 02:54 PM
Wouldn't Vince be Hakeem and Bush be Jordan?

texasguy346
04-21-2006, 02:54 PM
Yeah cut it down to a quote since it's not from HoustonTexans.com. Having a link allows anyone who reads the thread to read the full article.

tulexan
04-21-2006, 03:01 PM
Another thing, where were Skip's dumb name changes?

There were no David "Carr wreck"
or Kyle "I should have been a Bowler"
or "Terrible" Owens

Skip is a moron. He always tries to be controversial and has polarized views.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Yeah im pretty sure his sole reason on being on ESPN is to disagree with Woody Paige on Cold Pizza. Of course thats what a show is there for....wouldn't be very interesting if they were agreeing all day. Usually written pieces tend to be a little more honest and not so opiniated/convicted.

Mr. White
04-21-2006, 03:13 PM
Bayless is a rabble rouser, but I just happen to agree with him this time. Too bad for VY that he's made some questionable choices for somebody who was supposed to be an underdog and they cost him. The guy's just too unconventional while Reggie is unquestionably the best choice by conventional standards.

The most interesting point that he made was about Kubiak being a "Vince guy" and Casserly being a "Reggie guy." I've been under the impression that Kubiak knew going into his interview that the decision to keep Carr and draft Bush had already been made beforehand.

Just speculation. Isn't that why we're here?

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 03:17 PM
Bayless is a rabble rouser, but I just happen to agree with him this time. Too bad for VY that he's made some questionable choices for somebody who was supposed to be an underdog and they cost him. The guy's just too unconventional while Reggie is unquestionably the best choice by conventional standards.

The most interesting point that he made was about Kubiak being a "Vince guy" and Casserly being a "Reggie guy." I've been under the impression that Kubiak knew going into his interview that the decision to keep Carr and draft Bush had already been made beforehand.

Just speculation. Isn't that why we're here?

yeah that was actually what i should have quoted in the article....its the interesting part.

Runner
04-21-2006, 03:19 PM
its the interesting part.

And probably just as spurious as the parts of the article we disagree with.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 03:20 PM
didn't say true.....just said interesting. who knows....but thats a pretty big lie to just tell.....its not your normal ambiguous rumor.

El Tejano
04-21-2006, 03:24 PM
You know what The Texans should do just to get everybody all bent and scratching their heads?

Bring in Vince for one more interview.

infantrycak
04-21-2006, 03:25 PM
You should probably consider whether Kubiak is really most likely to let this kind of thing out thru Bayless. Just a thought. Other Bayless opinions include "outing" Aikman and repeatedly stating Irvin was what made the Cowboys teams both as a player and leader.

Mr. White
04-21-2006, 03:34 PM
You should probably consider whether Kubiak is really most likely to let this kind of thing out thru Bayless. Just a thought. Other Bayless opinions include "outing" Aikman and repeatedly stating Irvin was what made the Cowboys teams both as a player and leader.

No doubt...gotta take him with a grain of salt. I was living in Dallas back then (the Aikman "outing.") I think that book cost him his job at 1310.

You'd be surprised how many Bubbas believed it.
Aikman was afraid to even hug Irvin at the HOF induction because he said "there'd been rumors about him." (jokingly)

hollywood_texan
04-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Bayless is a rabble rouser, but I just happen to agree with him this time. Too bad for VY that he's made some questionable choices for somebody who was supposed to be an underdog and they cost him. The guy's just too unconventional while Reggie is unquestionably the best choice by conventional standards.

The most interesting point that he made was about Kubiak being a "Vince guy" and Casserly being a "Reggie guy." I've been under the impression that Kubiak knew going into his interview that the decision to keep Carr and draft Bush had already been made beforehand.
Just speculation. Isn't that why we're here?

There are certain things that are said on both sides of an interview in order to get a job.

Main focus is to get the job and then figure out the details later. Someone probably coached Kubiak on their finer points and how to land the job. Keeping Carr very well could have been one of them.

bkimble
04-21-2006, 03:58 PM
.....should create some good discussion......

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=bayless/060421



sorry just realized how long this was....may need to cut it down?

I don't like Bayless, but this article is right on target and is exactly what I've been saying for the last 4 months. The Texans are crazy if they past on Mike Jordan (errr Vince Young). :yahoo:

Frills
04-21-2006, 04:01 PM
Bayless has always been a complete moron, nothing has changed with this article.

dirty steve
04-21-2006, 04:02 PM
I don't like Bayless, but this article is right on target and is exactly what I've been saying for the last 4 months. The Texans are crazy if they past on Mike Jordan (errr Vince Young). :yahoo:

OK Jim Rome. Did you know Michael Jordan was going to be Michael Jordan when he entered the league?

el toro
04-21-2006, 04:08 PM
Kubiak says he's a Vince guy. Team picks Bush. If Bush blows up, nobody's gonna remember and if they do, well, Kubiak can say he's glad he was wrong. It's a nice CYA move.

Vinny
04-21-2006, 04:10 PM
If it's true that Kubiak has told sources with an s, this is just sad stuff. I'm still hoping we end up with Young, but I'll get over it if it doesn't happen. It says a ton about the team if this is the truth.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:11 PM
Kubiak says he's a Vince guy. Team picks Bush. If Bush blows up, nobody's gonna remember and if they do, well, Kubiak can say he's glad he was wrong. It's a nice CYA move.

I doubt Kubiak is that much of a wallflower.

Double Barrel
04-21-2006, 04:14 PM
I don't like Bayless, but this article is right on target and is exactly what I've been saying for the last 4 months. The Texans are crazy if they past on Mike Jordan (errr Vince Young).

Do you honestly believe that ANY football player can have the impact on the NFL that MJ had on pro basketball? Vince Young is a good prospect, but he's not that good.

IIRC, someone else got picked in the NBA draft before MJ, and he didn't do too bad himself, either.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:15 PM
Do you honestly believe that ANY football player can have the impact on the NFL that MJ had on pro basketball? Vince Young is a good prospect, but he's not that good.


The word of the month is hyperbole.

infantrycak
04-21-2006, 04:20 PM
Sorry, but the "league sources" don't seem to know anything logical if this:

Several league sources say general manager Charley Casserly will be fired after the draft for all the poor decisions he made in building this expansion team.

goes with the statement that Casserly is going to get his way over Kubiak in this draft. Doesn't make a lick of sense and I don't buy that for a minute.

Mr. White
04-21-2006, 04:23 PM
There are certain things that are said on both sides of an interview in order to get a job.

Main focus is to get the job and then figure out the details later. Someone probably coached Kubiak on their finer points and how to land the job. Keeping Carr very well could have been one of them.

Kubiak had to break down game tape of Bush during his interview and tell the FO how he would use him. That's where my opinion comes from that the decision was already made that we wouldn't be taking VY. They knew they had to pay lip-service to VY so there wouldn't be a fan revolt.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:25 PM
The word of the month is hyperbole.

I may be wrong about this. Hyperbole implies you know you are exaggerating. Some here think they are speaking the obvious truth.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 04:27 PM
You should probably consider whether Kubiak is really most likely to let this kind of thing out thru Bayless. Just a thought. Other Bayless opinions include "outing" Aikman and repeatedly stating Irvin was what made the Cowboys teams both as a player and leader.

Well of course Kubiak didn't call up Bayless and tell him. I'm not saying that....but it possibly would have gotten around TO Bayless if it really was said. And honestly its not that far-fetched....its not like a unheard of thing to say because its not exactly tipping our hand in the draft because Kubiak went out of his way to mention the GM was a Bush guy....thus not really telling anyone anything. Honestly i don't believe it.....but i'm not going to lie and say it wouldn't be nice if it were true.

And its not really possible for anyone in the game of football to have the effect a basketball player can have....two completely different leagues and two completely different game. If comparisons just HAVE to be made....it would be more relevant to at least stick to the same sport.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 04:29 PM
I may be wrong about this. Hyperbole implies you know you are exaggerating. Some here think they are speaking the obvious truth.

i think hyperbole just means 'grossly exaggerated statement'....doesn't really matter whether true or false....although when you 'exaggerate' something....it pretty much means indirectly your lying to a certain degree. but basically there can still be some truth behind a hyperbole.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:32 PM
i think hyperbole just means 'grossly exaggerated statement'....doesn't really matter whether true or false....although when you 'exaggerate' something....it pretty much means indirectly your lying to a certain degree. but basically there can still be some truth behind a hyperbole.

Maybe. One definition is "exaggeration for emphasis", which is where the speaker has to know he's doing it.

However, since I know we just bored 98% of the board and your definition fits my point, we'll use it.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 04:34 PM
lol....sounds good. yeah so skip bayless is a habitual hyperbole user in his shows....but it sure would be interesting if he were just stating the plain truth in this article. i mean even if it were true....i don't necessarily know it would effect anything....but it definitely says something about his Carr evaluation.

Texans Horror
04-21-2006, 04:46 PM
Debating over hyperbole definitions, huh? That's one way to kill a thread...

bkimble
04-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Do you honestly believe that ANY football player can have the impact on the NFL that MJ had on pro basketball? Vince Young is a good prospect, but he's not that good.

IIRC, someone else got picked in the NBA draft before MJ, and he didn't do too bad himself, either.

Yes I do. If that's player is a QB. Look, every once in while a player comes along that has a very special gift. A player like John Elway, Joe M or Mike Jordan that has the talent to put a team on their back and carry them to the promise land. I think Vince is one of those kind of players. Listen, I don't care about what all the NFL scouts say or anybody else, I've watch this guy with my own eyes and I am convinced that Vince is the most gifted play maker that I've ever seem. His leadership skills, his play making ability and his will to win are amazing. And is exactly what the Texans need. The Texans need a playmaker and a leader, IMO. However, if McNair allows CC to select Bush or anybody else other than Vince than we get what we deserve, IMO more of the same bad results.:redtowel:

el toro
04-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Casserly's on the way out, so he's being set up to be the CYA plan for Kubiak if things go badly.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Debating over hyperbole definitions, huh? That's one way to kill a thread...

Sorry.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Debating over hyperbole definitions, huh? That's one way to kill a thread...

lol. hey the way i see it....if 3 short posts can make someone stop wanting to post in a thread....and you can't somehow get past them....well your better off not even posting.

Runner
04-21-2006, 04:53 PM
...Listen, I don't care about what all the NFL scouts say or anybody else, I've watch this guy with my own eyes and I am convinced that Vince is the most gifted play maker that I've ever seem...

I respect you for honestly stating your evaluation criteria rather than making up "facts" to support your beliefs; however many people can use the same criteria and come up with completely different answers for themselves.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 04:57 PM
I can agree with bkimble in the sense that when i watched VY play....well i truly had the feeling he would do anything to win. And that everyone on that field was expecting him to facilitate that....and thats what says the most to me. The trust everyone had for him...whether because of his athletic skill period....or his will to win. Now as far as athletically goes....i think he is amazing there also....but i have to leave that to experts because 1. i've never seen him play in person and thats a huge thing and 2. well they are experts....they are going to see things i wouldn't even notice...good or bad. And when i say 'experts' believe me i'm not saying i give all my faith in them for being so educatedin football that they see EVERYTHING....but i can at least acknowledge the fact that they would notice more than me.

chuckm
04-21-2006, 05:01 PM
Casserly's on the way out, so he's being set up to be the CYA plan for Kubiak if things go badly.


Yep ... if things go well next weekend then it's because of Kubiak's influence .... if things go badly it's the same old Casserly .... :rolleyes:

BREAZE
04-21-2006, 05:01 PM
Ony one real certainty...this will be the longest week in franchise history. :crying:

Vinny
04-21-2006, 05:02 PM
I respect you for honestly stating your evaluation criteria rather than making up "facts" to support your beliefs; however many people can use the same criteria and come up with completely different answers for themselves.I trust what I see with my own two eyes and 30 years or so of watching the NFL tells me Young is going to be a superstar. I stay away from most of these threads but the draft is almost over and I haven't changed my mind from the end of the College schedule. Next weekend should be fun....and bonkers.

Texans86
04-21-2006, 05:04 PM
I trust what I see with my own two eyes and 30 years or so of watching the NFL tells me Young is going to be a superstar. I stay away from most of these threads but the draft is almost over and I haven't changed my mind from the end of the College schedule. Next weekend should be fun....and bonkers.

Are you ready for all of the new people who will be here next weekend? I know I'm not.

BREAZE
04-21-2006, 05:07 PM
Are you ready for all of the new people who will be here next weekend? I know I'm not.


Actually it won't be that bad as the site will crash and the trolls will just give up trying to get in...

infantrycak
04-21-2006, 05:08 PM
Well of course Kubiak didn't call up Bayless and tell him. I'm not saying that....but it possibly would have gotten around TO Bayless if it really was said. And honestly its not that far-fetched....

Got around to Bayless and wasn't reported by anyone else it went thru?--and no one spilt it before he could get it for his weekly column? Add that into the IMO very far-fetched idea that a 90% out the door GM is going to dictate over the incoming coach (who has clearly stamped his way all over this off-season)--nope, still not buying it. If Kubiak really is a VY guy, I expect a QB controversy next year, not a blame game on a departed Casserly.

Vinny
04-21-2006, 05:10 PM
Are you ready for all of the new people who will be here next weekend? I know I'm not.I think I am...the webmasters have been working on the site all week getting ready for the load...I'm pretty excited really.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 05:13 PM
Got around to Bayless and wasn't reported by anyone else it went thru?--and no one spilt it before he could get it for his weekly column? Add that into the IMO very far-fetched idea that a 90% out the door GM is going to dictate over the incoming coach (who has clearly stamped his way all over this off-season)--nope, still not buying it. If Kubiak really is a VY guy, I expect a QB controversy next year, not a blame game on a departed Casserly.

yeah i definetely see what your saying....its pretty unlikely....actually....closer to impossible. but i thought it was interesting and something new so ya now....why not discuss.

infantrycak
04-21-2006, 05:14 PM
yeah i definetely see what your saying....its pretty unlikely....actually....closer to impossible. but i thought it was interesting and something new so ya now....why not discuss.

Wasn't saying not to discuss--just my part of the discussion was the opinion that Bayless would be better known as Clueless.

Texans86
04-21-2006, 05:16 PM
I think I am...the webmasters have been working on the site all week getting ready for the load...I'm pretty excited really.

Nice. I noticed the servers were getting retooled and hopefully optimized the past couple of days.

swtbound07
04-21-2006, 05:16 PM
I agree...longest week EVER

Texans86
04-21-2006, 05:21 PM
I agree...longest week EVER

And on today's best week ever...(random VH1 comedian enters witty comment here)

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-21-2006, 05:23 PM
I personally don't care who we draft. I'd prefer Young but would still be happy with Bush or Williams. I think all 3 of these guys will be very good players in the NFL. I'm more interested in seeing who the Texans will draft in the mid rounds.

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 05:28 PM
Wasn't saying not to discuss--just my part of the discussion was the opinion that Bayless would be better known as Clueless.

Lol. Yeah Clueless or 'Blatant Liar'....the only thing that still holds me to it slightly is it a pretty specific accusation. Usually lies are a little more non-descript. And there may be other people in the organization feeling Bush more too. So just because Casserly is out....doesn't mean whoever Kubiak wants is in....who knows what McNair thinks...

JAXwithanX
04-21-2006, 05:29 PM
I personally don't care who we draft. I'd prefer Young but would still be happy with Bush or Williams. I think all 3 of these guys will be very good players in the NFL. I'm more interested in seeing who the Texans will draft in the mid rounds.

I'm right there with you with that....i just wish since i have 3 players i wouldn't mind having...that we could trade out of this Number 1....and pick up even more picks....we could have the potential to have just a ridiculously good draft.

kastofsna
04-21-2006, 05:42 PM
bayless is a complete waste of life.

hollywood_texan
04-21-2006, 05:48 PM
Kubiak had to break down game tape of Bush during his interview and tell the FO how he would use him. That's where my opinion comes from that the decision was already made that we wouldn't be taking VY. They knew they had to pay lip-service to VY so there wouldn't be a fan revolt.

I guess my point is when someone goes on a job interview that was setup by a headhunter. The headhunter tells the prospective employee what the employer is looking for and what he needs to say to get the job.

It seems reasonable to me that some people sat down with Kubiak, his agent or someone collecting a fee, and explains to him what the Texans are looking for.

Kubiak could have been told by someone that he needs to be on board with David Carr and he should pitch himself that Carr is the man if wants the job.

Not saying it happened, but it seems very reasonable to have happened. Having said that, maybe Kubiak doesn't really care for Carr.

First things first is to get the job. Second is to make changes afterwards.

Runner
04-21-2006, 07:41 PM
I trust what I see with my own two eyes and 30 years or so of watching the NFL tells me Young is going to be a superstar. I stay away from most of these threads but the draft is almost over and I haven't changed my mind from the end of the College schedule. Next weekend should be fun....and bonkers.

But I think you also understand that there can be more than one superstar or very good player in a draft. With that, a team may have more than one viable option to attain their goal - the Super Bowl and profits (in no particular order).

Let's say you had Casserly's office, staff, and game tapes (but not his salary just to keep you humble) at your disposal. Do you think you'd have better or even very different opinions?

The Dude Abides
04-21-2006, 07:42 PM
I think I am...the webmasters have been working on the site all week getting ready for the load...I'm pretty excited really.

Vinny how many people are ya'll expecting compared to the usual load?

Runner
04-21-2006, 07:44 PM
I think I am...the webmasters have been working on the site all week getting ready for the load...I'm pretty excited really.

I'm going to be incommunicado the week after the draft, starting Sunday. I have a feeling I'm going to miss some lively conversation.

Ibar_Harry
04-21-2006, 07:48 PM
But I think you also understand that there can be more than one superstar or very good player in a draft. With that, a team may have more than one viable option to attain their goal - the Super Bowl and profits (in no particular order).

Let's say you had Casserly's office, staff, and game tapes (but not his salary just to keep you humble) at your disposal. Do you think you'd have better or even very different opinions?

Part of this is Vinny has never liked Carr, but I respect his opinion. We agree to disagree, but that factors into the VY thing. He would feel the same way no matter what he looked at. Time will tell who is right or wrong, but there may be no right or wrong. Both may do very well and all including Carr might wind up being very outstanding players.

HoustonFrog
04-21-2006, 11:25 PM
Part of this is Vinny has never liked Carr, but I respect his opinion. We agree to disagree, but that factors into the VY thing. He would feel the same way no matter what he looked at. Time will tell who is right or wrong, but there may be no right or wrong. Both may do very well and all including Carr might wind up being very outstanding players.

That is one reason why I have always respected Vinny. I dislike Carr but also didn't go to UT or want to necessarily drafy VY, even though I think he will be a stud. Somehow people's opinions get messed up with "loving" a guy and "wanting" a guy, etc. I purely look it at from a football perspective and appreciate Vinny and others who express their opinions and take the heat.

LongBignasty1
04-22-2006, 01:58 AM
Read it on ESPN's page 2

GP
04-22-2006, 02:00 AM
(Groaning as if I have appendicitis)

No thanks. All you had to say was "...Bayless..." and I had all the info I needed to make a decision.

By the way, along the same lines of Bayless...there's an old lady in a scruffy robe down the street yelling at some alley cats who knocked over her trash cans and woke her up. About the same kind of commentary you get with Bayless.

bckey
04-22-2006, 02:28 AM
There is already a thread on this here:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=21425

dirty steve
04-22-2006, 04:19 AM
thanks for setting us non 30 year olds straight. i'm not sure what else we could do when we were 45 years old.

Johnny Utah
04-22-2006, 08:25 AM
I think I am...the webmasters have been working on the site all week getting ready for the load...I'm pretty excited really.

Me too. So many months of debate and discussion finally getting resolved. I'm pumped.