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texansfaninla
04-19-2006, 04:53 PM
Don't know if this has been posted yet or not - This SI.com draft blog reads as follows:

"It's not surprising that reports are surfacing that the Texans aren't sure Bush is their man. Even if he is their guy -- which I happen to believe he is -- NFL teams love to lie in April. And there's the not-so-small matter of leverage in contract negotiations with Bush.

A report on NFL.com claimed people in the Houston organization like defensive end Mario Williams. The story pointed out running back is one of the few areas where the Texans don't need help and they already have a Pro Bowl return man in Jerome Mathis.

I would imagine there is real dissent in Houston's office. GM Charley Casserly's back is against the wall and he needs Bush for instant excitement. New coach Gary Kubiak proved in Denver he can turn practically anyone into a Pro Bowl RB and wouldn't need to take one that high.

My gut says Casserly makes the call and takes Bush."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/nfl/huddle_up/2006/archive/2006_04_16_index.html

Thoughts? If it's Casserly versus Kubiak, doesn't Kubiak win since Casserly is probably heading to the NFL offices in NYC to fill Art Shell's job? And if that's the case...ah, never mind. Can we just get to next Saturday??? I'm tired of this ride. :goodbad:

Sarg01
04-19-2006, 05:11 PM
Has anyone ever heard Kubiak say he wasn't interested in Bush? Or in high RB talent in general? The media keeps reporting this Denver stuff over and over again.

The only thing I've heard is along the lines of "we never had picks this high in Denver" - implying that Denver rules wouldn't apply to the '06 Texan draft.

I'm of the reverse viewpoint, that only an offensive coordinator type person would be really excited about a guy like Bush who's greatest talent is his ability to be played at multiple positions. It takes an offensive schemer to make proper use of him.

FYI, there was an ESPN Insider note this afternoon that Kubiak appears to be calling all the shots in the front office thanks to Cass' short-timer-syndrome.

edo783
04-19-2006, 08:33 PM
[quote=texansfaninla]I would imagine there is real dissent in Houston's front office/quote]

There is the key word of this artical. Just his imagination of what he thinks MIGHT be going on. It's just made up stuff folks.

bkimble
04-19-2006, 08:37 PM
The Texans are going have to explain how Kubiak (a former QB himself) reached the conclusion that it was in the best interests of the Houston Texans franchise to take a part-time slot-back over the best QB in the history of college football. Are or is this CC pick..............
:crying:

tex
04-19-2006, 08:41 PM
I would hate to see Bud get to pick between RB or VY wouldn't you?

tulexan
04-19-2006, 08:42 PM
best QB in the history of college football.

I don't know about that. Vince was a great QB, but the best of all time?

swtbound07
04-19-2006, 08:44 PM
I don't know about that. Vince was a great QB, but the best of all time?

If we can call reggie an all time great, certainly vince has to be in the other discussion...NOBODY had ever done a 3000/1000 and won back 2 back rose bowl MVPs.....High winning percentage as a starter, carried his team at times...breathtaking to watch, national championship winner....yeah, he should be in the discussion

Marcus
04-19-2006, 08:51 PM
Well, if you want my opinion, I'm tired of discussing what happened in college football.

LoneStarState
04-19-2006, 09:30 PM
If we can call reggie an all time great, certainly vince has to be in the other discussion...NOBODY had ever done a 3000/1000 and won back 2 back rose bowl MVPs.....High winning percentage as a starter, carried his team at times...breathtaking to watch, national championship winner....yeah, he should be in the discussion
In the discussion, yes - best ever, that's up for debate. VY is not the first qb to win a National Championship or lead a team to a last minute victory. Impressive, yes. But not the only one to do it.

kiwitexansfan
04-19-2006, 09:30 PM
Well, if you want my opinion, I'm tired of discussing what happened in college football.

I will second that too. College is fun for college kids. It is another level entirely in the NFL, physically and mentally. Just count the Heisman busts.

trutxn
04-19-2006, 09:48 PM
I'm of the reverse viewpoint, that only an offensive coordinator type person would be really excited about a guy like Bush who's greatest talent is his ability to be played at multiple positions. It takes an offensive schemer to make proper use of him.


An offensive mind could do wonders with a QB like Vince as well, you can't ignore his athletic ability.

swtbound07
04-19-2006, 10:19 PM
In the discussion, yes - best ever, that's up for debate. VY is not the first qb to win a National Championship or lead a team to a last minute victory. Impressive, yes. But not the only one to do it.


only one to go 3000/1000

texplayer2
04-19-2006, 10:36 PM
only one to go 3000/1000

Best UT QB ever VINCE YOUNG. Best Ever Joe Montana.

Sarg01
04-20-2006, 08:57 AM
An offensive mind could do wonders with a QB like Vince as well, you can't ignore his athletic ability.

I didn't say anything about Vince, who wasn't the subject of the post. Despite the way this thread has gone since ...

Mr. White
04-20-2006, 09:03 AM
Seems like these guys are writing opinion pieces now about opinion pieces. Adam Schefter's NFL.com article is the other one.

The main problem is that they present opinion or speculation as fact.

Coach C.
04-20-2006, 09:07 AM
We pass on Reggie and make the great pick of Mario Williams and believe you me the Saints will be getting calls like there is no tomorrow about the move up. The Jets may then say what the hell we can get Bush and make the move. It is expensive right now to trade with us, but with the Saints it is as simple as both firsts.

nunusguy
04-20-2006, 09:29 AM
best QB in the history of college football.
Is he even as good as another local guy, Andre Ware, who won a Heisman ?

kastofsna
04-20-2006, 09:53 AM
only one to go 3000/1000
maybe he'll have as good of a career as the first guy to go 2000/1000, woody dantzler. eric crouch is one of three quarterbacks in history to rush for 3000 and pass for 4000 yards in a career. maybe...just MAYBE young can follow the same path as crouch.

Texans Horror
04-20-2006, 10:09 AM
The Texans are going have to explain how Kubiak (a former QB himself) reached the conclusion that it was in the best interests of the Houston Texans franchise to take a part-time slot-back over the best QB in the history of college football. Are or is this CC pick..............
:crying:


Matt is a great QB, isn't he? Worst move the Texans made was passing on him...:jk:

jerek
04-20-2006, 10:36 AM
I doubt if Cass is doing anything but what the coaches ask him to. It is my understanding that Casserly is a coaches' GM who goes and gets who the coaches want.

If there is dissent it is likely occuring between defensive and offensive coaches, because as much as Reggie adds a weapon to the offense you can make an even stronger case for Williams strengthening the defense. A guy like Williams will command double teams and extra protection rolled his way which frees up other players and creates additional possibility for blitz, and a fierce pass rush makes your all round defense that much better (more tipped balls, more hurried throws, more INTs.)

There is at least as much difference between Bush/Davis as there is Williams/Weaver from both athletic and pure potential standpoints. As well we have already heard reports that Reggie's agent wants to break the bank for the guy and we have not heard that about Williams. Maybe the reports are false and maybe Williams wants just as much cheddar, but you'd better believe that if Bush threatens holdout or we can get Williams for substantially less that it will make a big difference in the decision.

I am excited for this draft. I will be excited about both Reggie Bush and Mario Williams. I am just hoping we don't see another Babin-esque mystery move as we have specialized in throughout some past drafts.

And as for VY. I can't believe we are still talking about him. 3000/1000 = best QB ever my ***. Some of you guys will never understand that Vince, for all of his talents, was equally a product of UT's system and supporting cast. The guy doesn't piss victorious urine and he doesn't turn everything he touches into gold. Yeesh.

El Tejano
04-20-2006, 11:06 AM
I've said it before. I will be a little upset of taking Williams #1 only because of the fact that we could've got Reggie with the #1. That doesn't make me think we will have had a bad draft because Lord knows we need to start hitting QBs the way ours has been and I want to have real pass rushes for Indy.

I just want to score some TDs this year and I think Bush helps us do that.

kastofsna
04-20-2006, 11:09 AM
young a system QB? how dare you bring truth and logic to this discussion.

infantrycak
04-20-2006, 11:25 AM
NOBODY had ever done a 3000/1000

Still a great achievement, but this one is a little bit the product of media hype. Prior to this year or last they didn't consider the post season in whether a QB had a 3000 yd season. Under that system, VY was actually short this year with 2769 passing yards and 830 rushing yards during the season. One commentator mentioned it in passing. Don't know if you went back and added in post-season stuff how many others if any would have hit 3000/1000 but apples to apples on regular season, no one has done it including VY.

Big B Texan Fan
04-20-2006, 01:09 PM
Still a great achievement, but this one is a little bit the product of media hype. Prior to this year or last they didn't consider the post season in whether a QB had a 3000 yd season. Under that system, VY was actually short this year with 2769 passing yards and 830 rushing yards during the season. One commentator mentioned it in passing. Don't know if you went back and added in post-season stuff how many others if any would have hit 3000/1000 but apples to apples on regular season, no one has done it including VY.
Well put......but what if he'd had been able to play in all of his 4th quarters due to a sucky defense. Is 3500/1500 good or is it a system issue. Don't all QB's play in a "system". And just because someone plays in a certain "system" doesn't mean that they'll suck at the next level for sure.

jerek
04-20-2006, 01:17 PM
Well put......but what if he'd had been able to play in all of his 4th quarters due to a sucky defense. Is 3500/1500 good or is it a system issue. Don't all QB's play in a "system". And just because someone plays in a certain "system" doesn't mean that they'll suck at the next level for sure.

You could say the same thing about many other college QBs. Stats are stats, what he "could have had" isn't and shouldn't be taken into account for purposes of comparing him to nearly a century of established stats and scores unless you are going to do the same thing for those players too.

Big B Texan Fan
04-20-2006, 01:18 PM
You could say the same thing about many other college QBs. Stats are stats, what he "could have had" isn't and shouldn't be taken into account for purposes of comparing him to nearly a century of established stats and scores unless you are going to do the same thing for those players too.
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Erratic Assassin
04-20-2006, 06:50 PM
I don't know about that. Vince was a great QB, but the best of all time?

That honor belongs to Giff Nielson