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Maddict5
04-16-2006, 05:04 PM
(April 15, 2006) -- This is my first of three mock drafts that I will create for NFL.com leading up to the draft at the end of the month. I will assume that there will be no pre-draft trades that could change the decision making along the way. I will combine the activity in free agency, the needs of the teams, and the grades of the players as draft boards start to take shape.

1. Houston: Reggie Bush, RB, USC
Bush is a once-in-a-decade player and a matchup nightmare. He had 38 touchdowns in three years at USC.

2. New Orleans: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
He could move down but a 10-year starter is too hard to resist. The Saints traded Wayne Gandy, a starter at tackle last season, to Atlanta.

3. Tennessee: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
Leinart threw for more touchdown passes in college than Vince Young and Jay Cutler combined. He also knows the Titans' offense, having played under coordinator Norm Chow at USC.

4. N.Y. Jets: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State
Williams can replace John Abraham, who was traded this offseason. He reminds new coach Eric Mangini of the Patriots' Richard Seymour and can play in either the 3-4 or 4-3.

5. Green Bay: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
Having Ngata in the middle makes Green Bay defensive ends Aaron Kampman and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila better. Ngata stops the run and has a rare combination of size and speed.

6. San Francisco: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
A young quarterback like Alex Smith always needs a tight end to be effective and Davis can provide major matchup problems.

7. Oakland: Vince Young, QB, Texas
Aaron Brooks signed a two-year deal with the Raiders, but owner Al Davis likes Young's upside. Randy Moss could make a perfect partner.

8. Buffalo: Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
The best under tackle for the new 'Dungy' defense, Bunkley has a talent that is hard to find.

9. Detroit: Michael Huff, DB, Texas
The safest pick in the draft, Huff can play either cornerback or safety. He is a leader and a Matt Millen-type player.

10. Arizona: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
Kurt Warner is old and brittle and Cutler is Brett Favre-like. He's still two years away, though.

11. St. Louis: A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State
Hawk should have been gone by now but will become a cornerstone for Jim Haslett's defense.

12. Cleveland: Kamerion Wimbley, DE, Florida State
Wimbley is the perfect fit for the 3-4 defense and reminds general manager Phil Savage of Peter Boulware, who Savage helped draft in Baltimore.

13. Baltimore: Winston Justice, OT, USC
The Ravens can use Justice at right tackle until Jonathan Ogden retires.

14. Philadelphia: Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
The Eagles failed to land Eric Moulds and released Terrell Owens, so they could use Jackson right away.

15. Denver: Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
The Broncos can trade Ashley Lelie right after this pick.

16. Miami: Ernie Sims, OLB, Florida State
Sims is a tackling machine and replaces Junior Seau on the Dolphins defense.

17. Minnesota: Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
Greenway has a high character, the type of player that new coach Brad Childress wants on the team.

18. Dallas: Manny Lawson, LB, N.C. State
Lawson is the perfect complement to DeMarcus Ware.

19. San Diego: Jimmy Williams, DB, Virginia Tech
Williams can be a corner or safety and the Chargers need to replace Sammy Davis in the secondary.

20. Kansas City: Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
Cromartie is a tremendous athlete and has had excellent workouts. The Chiefs really need to focus on defense in the draft.

21. New England: DeMeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama
The Patriots replace Willie McGinest with Ryans, a highly productive linebacker.

22. Denver: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
The Broncos got the wide receiver earlier in the draft and the running back completes their first round.

23. Tampa Bay: Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
Kiwanuka can learn for a year behing Simeon Rice. He had 34 sacks in college.

24. Cincinnati: Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State
Bengals center Rich Braham is 36 years old and in the last year of his contract.

25. N.Y. Giants: Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
The son of former Giants running back Rob Carpenter, he is a versatile linebacker than can fill two needs.

26. Chicago: Tye Hill, CB, Clemson
This pick could change if the Bears acquire a cornerback in free agency.

27. Carolina: Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota
With Stephen Davis gone, the Panthers need a back to complement DeShaun Foster.

28. Jacksonville: Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State
A slow time in the 40-yard dash drops Hali, but he could be used replace Paul Spicer.

29. N.Y. Jets: Eric Winston, OT, Miami
The Jets missed out on Ferguson earlier and left tackle is a top need.

30. Indianapolis: Thomas Howard, OLB, Texas-El Paso
USC running back LenDale White is there but the Colts also lost linebacker David Thornton.

31. Seattle: Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma: Joseph is an immediate replacement for Steve Hutchinson.

32. Pittsburgh: Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas: White looks tempting, but Wright answers a bigger need.

Second Round
The second round looks as good as half of the first round and teams can really satisfy some of their pressing needs with players capable of making an early impact. Of course, some of the players selected in the first round could easily fall to the second round and a few of the following players could be taken in the first round.

33. Houston: Marcus McNeil, OT, Auburn
34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
35. N.Y. Jets: Andrew Whitworth, OT, Louisiana State
36. Green Bay: Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami
37. San Francisco: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
38. Oakland: Claude Wroten, DT, Louisiana State
39. Tennessee: Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
43. Cleveland: Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
45. Philadelphia: LenDale White, RB, USC
46. St. Louis: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
47. Atlanta: Deuce Lutui, G, USC
48. Minnesota: Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
50. San Diego: Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
51. Minnesota: Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
52. New England: Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin
53. Washington: Ray Edwards, DE, Purdue
54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State
55. Cincinnati: Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
56. N.Y. Giants: Jon Scott, OT, Texas
57. Chicago: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
58. Carolina: Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
60. Jacksonville: Joseph Addai, RB, Louisiana State
61. Denver: Dominique Byrd, TE, USC
62. Indianapolis: Jerious Norwood, RB, Mississippi State
63. Seattle: Jon Alston, OLB, Stanford
64. Pittsburgh: Maurice Stoval, WR, Notre Dame

most of his picks are decent...first impressions-hawk is too low but lb's do fall sometimes..wright @ 32 is way too high imo.

tough decision @33 with mc neil and joseph but if it were me id take joseph

TexanFan881
04-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Ya St. Louis gets a huge steal with Hawk at 11. He won't drop that far. Pretty good mock draft.

kastofsna
04-16-2006, 06:18 PM
ngata just won't be taken that high. and al davis doesn't love young.

TexansLucky13
04-16-2006, 06:21 PM
I think McNeil would be awesome, but he will not fit in with Kubiak's vision on the Line. I believe Winston will fall into our possession with the 33rd.

Maddict5
04-16-2006, 06:30 PM
just noticed d'quell jackson would be there @ 65...dont know if thats a mistake or not...but this is only the 1st of 3 he'll be doing before the draft

Sutton=08Heisman
04-16-2006, 07:15 PM
just noticed d'quell jackson would be there @ 65...dont know if thats a mistake or not...but this is only the 1st of 3 he'll be doing before the draft

thatd be niceee to get him at 65. damn there are a LOT of guys in that 2nd round i wouldnt mind having. im not really a trade down advocate but i wouldnt mind grabbing another one of those guys in the 2nd!

Coach C.
04-17-2006, 09:14 AM
If we picked McNeil over Jonathan Joseph I would be pissed. And he has Wright from UT in the first round, this is a joke and obviously not a realistic look at how things will go.

beerlover
04-17-2006, 09:29 AM
Kirwin is out to lunch :tomato: too many top cover corners/safetys dropping into the 2nd rd.

34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
37. San Francisco: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska

kastofsna
04-17-2006, 10:04 AM
joseph should drop to the 3rd.

The Preacher
04-17-2006, 11:02 AM
Kirwin is out to lunch :tomato: too many top cover corners/safetys dropping into the 2nd rd.

34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
37. San Francisco: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska

That's what I noticed no respect for a position so important and highly paid. I would guess half of these guys will be 1st rounders. There are so many though that the Texans should be sitting pretty waiting for one of these guys to fall right to them. :)

Maddict5
04-17-2006, 09:00 PM
Kirwin is out to lunch :tomato: too many top cover corners/safetys dropping into the 2nd rd.

34. New Orleans: Johnathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
37. San Francisco: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee


40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska

from what im seeing around i think we'll only have a choice of all the guys below the space

beerlover
04-17-2006, 09:41 PM
from what im seeing around i think we'll only have a choice of all the guys below the space

add this to the mix-

40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami Seahawks may select Jennings #31st

42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State would be a great pick-up for the Bears #26

54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State solidify Cowboy secondary #18

that leaves all safetys-

41. Arizona: Darnell Bing, S, USC
44. Baltimore: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
49. Dallas: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
59. Tampa Bay: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska

Maddict5
04-18-2006, 06:21 PM
add this to the mix-

40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami Seahawks may select Jennings #31st

42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State would be a great pick-up for the Bears #26

54. Kansas City: Donte Whitner, SS, Ohio State solidify Cowboy secondary #18


then some other cb's would fall-tye hill, joseph etc- i fully expect to have a choice of 1 of the top cb's @#33- with youboty and jennings my least favourite- but either would still be decent picks

threetoedpete
04-24-2006, 07:48 AM
You gotta admit it's a great year for corners. May get a run in the first. Maybe
everyone thinks they can hold their water untill the second. Would be nice if one of the big tweeners falls to 33.

Maddict5
04-24-2006, 09:28 AM
alright his 2nd mock is out and its a good bit better.dont like JAX's pick and would def. take j. joseph @#33 instead of whitworth

(April 23, 2006) -- Soon after I released my first mock draft last week, I heard from a few NFL executives and coaches around the NFL. One front office executive told me his scouting department only gave 18 players a first-round grade. Another scout told me his team has 21 players with a first-round grade. The shortage of perceived first-round talent due to various reasons is causing a number of teams to think about moving up into the top 12-15 picks. And it is also causing some teams down in the bottom third of the draft to move down, if possible. Did the Broncos know something about this draft early enough to sell off its No. 22 pick? One personnel man told me that if all the guys with medical alerts and off-the-field baggage were clean, then this draft would have a solid first round. But the risk/reward means taking very talented players in the second round where the money is significantly less.

A couple of things that rang clear to me this week that influenced my mock draft were: Vince Young has done a nice job on his visits around the league. One coach said, 'I was expecting to meet a Michael Vick kind of guy and felt more like I sat down with Donovan McNabb'. Two defensive coaches weighed in on Manny Lawson and described him as a cross between Jason Taylor and Jevon Kearse. Both of those veteran players entered the NFL under 240 pounds. Lawson has weighed anywhere from 241 at the Combine to 233 on his visits. Two players, who I will not mention, have apparently failed a drug test and will not be top choices next week. Unfortunately, one of those players is a clear-cut first-round talent. I was curious about the sudden rise in interest in quarterback Kellen Clemens this past two weeks and although he will not be a first-round selection, he may have moved into the second round on some boards. One QB coach I respect told me Clemens simply has the best combination of arm strength and mechanics in the draft.

The most important thing I heard this week and typical of the feelings around the league with just days to go before the draft was, 'We have all studied these players so much that we found something wrong with everyone of them. Now we have to go back and remember the good'. I will post my final mock draft on April 28, but here's version No. 2 and there are some changes. This mock draft does not take into account any future trades, but it does consider late free-agent signings. As for rumors floating around right now: Oakland is moving up to take Vince Young at the No. 2 spot; Tennessee is internally split about Matt Leinart and Vince Young; and there going to be upwards of eight corners drafted in the first round. These are all part of the art of deception. Believe what you want to believe at this point.

1. Houston: Reggie Bush, RB, USC
As I said last week, Bush is a once-in-a-decade player. He will create matchup problems for every team in the league. I would talk to the other top (non-QB candidates) too, but I would draft Bush with or without a pre-draft deal.

2. New Orleans: D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
There is a chance the Raiders will wind up in this spot for Young, but if a deal can't be reached, the struggle is between Mario Williams and Ferguson. It's not an easy choice, but the Saints can't make a bad decision. Ferguson will line up for 10-12 years.

3. Tennessee: Matt Leinart, QB, USC
If Oakland moves up, then the decision is made for the Titans. They take the QB who is left. If Young and Leinart are on the board, I hope the front office listens to the coaches and takes the guy who threw 109 touchdown passes and only 23 interceptions. Leinart reminds me more and more of Bernie Kosar, but faster. He gets the ball out of his hand the quickest and to the right spot.

4. N.Y. Jets: Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State
The Jets take the player the Saints pass on and they can't be wrong except that they need a quarterback. Mario Williams will be to the Jets what Richard Seymour is to the Patriots.

5. Green Bay: A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State
This week, I heard from too many 4-3 teams that they have downgraded Haloti Ngata. It is hard to pass on rare size, but the Packers break the eight-year NFL mold of only taking one outside linebacker with a top-five pick and grab Hawk because of his 368 career tackles, 37 tackles for a loss and 14 sacks.

6. San Francisco: Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland
If Alex Smith doesn't get a go-to player like Vernon Davis, the pressure will mount quickly in the Bay area. Davis is a matchup problem for opponents, just like Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez. Davis changes the game and not many players in this draft have that label.

7. Oakland: Vince Young, QB, Texas
The Raiders are the perfect place for Vince Young to land. He does not have to step onto the field as a rookie. His target outside is Randy Moss and the owner will make sure the team plays to his strengths. Al Davis may have to move up to get him before Saturday.

8. Buffalo: Broderick Bunkley, DT, Florida State
If Dick Jauron is serious about building a defense similar to the Tony Dungy/Tampa defense, it starts up front and Bunkley is the key piece. He's not perfect. He can play too high at times, but a 4.91 40 time at 306 pounds and nine sacks as a senior are strong credentials.

9. Detroit: Michael Huff, DB, Texas
The safest pick in the draft. I still believe he's more of a safety than a corner, but he has the skills to handle matchup problems like Reggie Bush and Vernon Davis and he's a team leader.

10. Arizona: Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt
There will be some discussions about another player or two like Winston Justice, but Kurt Warner is old enough that the Cards can't pass on Cutler. They may get a few serious calls about this spot.

11. St. Louis: Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech
There are mixed reviews about Jimmy Williams. Is he a safety or a corner, was his senior year a red flag? He's big and versatile and fits a need in St. Louis.

12. Cleveland: Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon
Ngata slips in the draft this week until a 3-4 team is staring right at him. Romeo Crennel was in New England when Bill Belichick was using first-round selections on defensive linemen.

13. Baltimore: Winston Justice, OT, USC
You know Ray Lewis would have loved Haloti Ngata to fall to Baltimore, so blockers could not get out and block him. But it doesn't work out that way so the Ravens take Justice to start on the right side and eventually move over to the left when Jonathan Ogden retires.

14. Philadelhia: Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State
Most people think this is way too high for a center, but Mangold is good enough to justify the selection. The Eagles wanted LeCharles Bentley badly in the offseason and unless they trade for Jeff Faine, this pick makes a lot of sense to me. Not one offensive line coach I have spoken to felt Mangold wasn't the second best lineman in the draft to Ferguson.

15. Denver: Chad Jackson, WR, Florida
If the Broncos get Javon Walker in a pre-draft trade, then this pick changes. If they miss, then taking Jackson and trading Ashley Lelie is a strong possibility. Jackson doesn't have the production of Santonio Holmes, but he has the size and speed to be a pretty good player.

16. Miami: Manny Lawson, OLB, N.C. State
The Dolphins are an emerging 3-4 team and Lawson is a fit as an OLB or a weakside end in a 4-3. He's about the same size as Jason Taylor coming out of college, but even a better athlete. Lawson was a 50-foot triple jumper in high school as well as 25-foot long jumper. He had 17 sacks at N.C. State.

17. Minnesota: Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State
The perfect 4-3 weakside linebacker. He's fast, can blitz and should be in on close to 100 tackles a season when he earns a starting job.

18. Dallas: Kamerion Wimbley, OLB/DE, Florida State
When Bill Parcells built the great N.Y. Giants defense, he drafted Carl Banks the year after Lawrence Taylor. With DeMarcus Ware on one side, it's time for the other piece. Signing Marcus Coleman to play safety takes the pressure off a safety at this pick.

19. San Diego: Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State
The best corner at Florida State since Deion Sanders is a strong statement, especially for a guy who has been injured and rarely played. His personal workouts have been excellent and the Chargers need an elite corner.

20. Kansas City: Tamba Hali, DE Penn State
Throw out his disappointing 40 time (4.8), Hali has an explosive first step and a motor that doesn't quit. He plays much faster than his recorded speed and he makes plays. In three years, he had 35 tackles for a losses and 14 sacks.

21. New England: Bobby Carpenter, OLB, Ohio State
Carpenter has been moving up the draft boards in the past two weeks because he is versatile, big, and smart --the three things Bill Belichick loves on his team.

22. San Francisco: Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa
Some scouts describe Greenway as a safety playing linebacker and think he is dropping into the second round. The 269 tackles, 18 tackles for a losses, five sacks, eight passes defended and four interceptions sounds like he's a real good football player to me. Mike Nolan needs some OLBs for his 3-4 defense.

23. Tampa Bay: Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State
Too good to pass up if Holmes drops to the Bucs. Here's a guy who ran 46 seconds in the 400-meters in high school, high jumped 6-foot-10 and caught 140 balls at a 16.3 average and scored 25 times.

24. Cincinnati: Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA
Surprised? I am too a bit, but the run on outside linebackers puts Lewis' grade in line to be selected. He has some flaws in his game, but the Bengals need a pass catching tight end and 120 receptions and 20 college touchdowns is a good place to start.

25. N.Y. Giants: Eric Winston, T, Miami
The signings of LaVar Arrington and Brandon Short last week changes the direction this team needs to go. By the time the Giants select again at No. 56, the quality tackles will be gone.

26. Chicago: Ty Hill, CB, Clemson
Most teams playing the Cover-Two scheme want bigger corners than Ty Hill, but this guy can flat out run. He showed an ability to close on receivers at the Senior Bowl and his 41-inch vertical jump will help him go up for the ball against the bigger receivers. There are other corners available and Chicago could go with one of them, but I think most coaches are trying to play more man coverages and Hill gives Lovie Smith that flexibility.

27. Carolina: Laurence Moroney, RB, Minnesota
The run on running backs starts right here and Maroney has 300 less carries on his resume than DeAngelo Williams, the other top back. That was the logic Bill Polian used when he selected Edgerrin James over Ricky Williams.

28. Jacksonville: Mathais Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
Some people have Kiwanuka out of the first round and by the next mock draft I might too. For now, I see a guy with 34 sacks in college and capable of being a situational rusher until he learns to disengage from blockers.

29. N.Y. Jets: DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis
Curtis Martin is nearing the end of his career and Williams has a big heart, and lots of credentials -- 69 rushes for 6,026 yards, 55 touchdowns -- on a team where the opponents always knew to stop Williams first.

30. Indianapolis: Demeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama
Sure the Colts lost Edgerrin James in free agency and he has to be replaced, but they also lost David Thornton. The Colts defense can't go backward now and Ryans is a solid football player. Some coaches believe he has slipped to the second round. If the Colts feel that way, they can always draft Thomas Howard.

31. Seattle: Donte Whitner, S, Ohio State
Last week, I felt the Seahawks would take offensive guard Davin Joseph here, but two line coaches convinced me he spends too much time in a two-point stance. Whitner is at a need position and he ran 4.38 at his Pro Day. Seattle takes a guard in the second round.

32. Pittsburgh: LenDale White, RB, USC
I could have gone in 10 different directions with this pick and I am not convinced the Steelers believe White is a 'Steeler' type player. But if his hamstring tear is less severe than first reported, this has a chance of happening. Pittsburgh will also consider a safety like Ko Simpson, a defensive end like Rodrique Wright, and maybe even a receiver.

SECOND ROUND
33. Houston: Andrew Whitworth, OT, Louisiana State
34. New Orleans: Jonathan Joseph, CB, South Carolina
35. N.Y. Jets: Jason Allen, DB, Tennessee
36. Green Bay: Roger McIntosh, OLB, Miami
37. Denver: Darnell Bing, S, USC
38. Oakland: Thomas Howard, OLB, Texas-El Paso
39. Tennessee: Abdul Hodge, ILB, Iowa
40. Detroit: Kelly Jennings, CB, Miami
41. Arizona: Davin Joseph, G, Oklahoma:
42. Buffalo: Ashton Youboty, CB, Ohio State
43. Cleveland: Ko Simpson, S, South Carolina
44. Baltimore: Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan
45. Philadelphia: Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami
46. St. Louis: Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia
47. Atlanta: Deuce Lutui, G, USC
48. Minnesota: Joe Klopfenstein, TE, Colorado
49. Dallas: Anthony Fasano, TE, Notre Dame
50. San Diego: Pat Watkins, FS, Florida State
51. Minnesota: Brodie Croyle, QB, Alabama
52. New England: Brian Calhoun, RB, Wisconsin
53. Washington: Daniel Bullocks, S, Nebraska
54. Kansas City: Maurice Stoval, WR, Notre Dame
55. Cincinnati: Claude Wroten, DT, Louisiana State
56. NY Giants: John McCargo, DT, N.C. State
57. Chicago: Tony Scheffler, TE, Western Michigan
58. Carolina D'Quell Jackson, LB, Maryland
59. Tampa Bay: Darryl Tapp, DE, Virginia Tech
60. Jacksonville: Joseph Addai, RB, Louisiana State
61. Denver: Kellen Clemens, QB, Oregon
62. Indianapolis: Jerious Norwood, RB, Mississippi State
63. Seattle: Charles Spencer, OG, Pittsburgh
64. Pittsburgh: Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas

MorKnolle
04-24-2006, 09:44 PM
alright his 2nd mock is out and its a good bit better.dont like JAX's pick and would def. take j. joseph @#33 instead of whitworth

Agreed, there is no way the Texans would take Whitworth at #33, they need players that are capable of making an immediate impact, and Whitworth has a lot of work to do before he's ready to start and be effective in the NFL. I'd consider Eric Winston, Nick Mangold, or even Marcus McNeill at #33, but no other OLinemen are worth that pick for us. Johnathan Joseph would give Winston a serious run for his money as my top choice at #33, that would partly depend on whether we go offense (Bush) or defense (Mario) with our 1st pick.

Tha rizzock
04-24-2006, 11:29 PM
the raiders go like this


1. matt leinart qb usc

2. jon alston SLB stanford or gerris wilkinson

4. SS roman harper

HoustonFrog
04-24-2006, 11:33 PM
ngata just won't be taken that high. and al davis doesn't love young.

Not true. Both Kiper and the other national guy on the radio this weekend said that Al Davis loves VY.

Tha rizzock
04-25-2006, 12:26 AM
Not true. Both Kiper and the other national guy on the radio this weekend said that Al Davis loves VY.



kiper is an idiot and just talks out of his neck the guys the raiders want are huff and matt who the hell is kiper anyways hes not a gm so he doesnt no anything.

kastofsna
04-25-2006, 11:03 AM
Not true. Both Kiper and the other national guy on the radio this weekend said that Al Davis loves VY.
much like they said 2 years ago that al davis loves roy williams. or that miami loves braylon edwards last year. or that aaron rodgers is a top 5 pick.

HoustonFrog
04-25-2006, 12:26 PM
kiper is an idiot and just talks out of his neck the guys the raiders want are huff and matt who the hell is kiper anyways hes not a gm so he doesnt no anything.

Then read this. You are both wrong. OK, I have no clue, like the rest of us but it isn't like this hasn't been floating around for awhile. VY will go Top 7 and if it isn't the Titans, it will be the Raiders. This is the 3rd to 4th source who has said this. This is from The Sporting News.

Draft Dish: Cramming for 'finals' week
April 24, 2006 Print it


By War Room scouts
For Sporting News


In the final week before the draft, scouts, GMs and coaches meet to debate (argue?) the players and set their team's final draft board. And as personnel people break out of those meetings, word spreads about prospects and anticipated trades and picks. Here is some of what we're hearing:


Texas quarterback Vince Young now seems to be a solid top-five pick. The Raiders, who sit at No. 7, are exploring ways to trade up and get Young.

As we mentioned last week, Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow apparently is losing the quarterback debate in Tennessee. Chow prefers Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart, but rumor has it that the Titans instead will take Young at No. 3.

Outside linebackers are taking a hit, as expected. Now that it appears as if N.C. State's Manny Lawson and Florida State's Kamerion Wimbley can make the transition from college defensive end to NFL outside linebacker, players such as Iowa's Chad Greenway, Alabama's DeMeco Ryans and UTEP's Thomas Howard are sliding down teams' draft boards.
Greenway, Ryans and Howard are complete players but lack the pass-rush ability of Lawson and Wimbley, a key in the 3-4 scheme that is being used more and more by NFL teams. Look for Lawson and Wimbley to both go in the top 15, bumping Greenway and Ryans to the bottom of Round 1. Howard could slide into the middle of Round 2.


Two players who seem to have secured top-10 positions are Florida State defensive tackle Broderick Bunkley and Southern California offensive tackle Winston Justice. Both tested extremely well on the pre-draft circuit and have great athletic ability. Most teams project Buffalo to take Bunkley at No. 8, and Justice could fit nicely with Arizona at No. 10 but certainly won't fall past Baltimore at No. 13.

Several defensive backs are moving into the first round. Florida State cornerback Antonio Cromartie had to prove he could play after missing the '05 season with a knee injury. His 4.37-second 40-yard dash and his strong performance in position drills seem to have done that. He now is entrenched in the top 20 and could be selected as high as No. 15 (Denver).

South Carolina cornerback Jonathan Joseph quietly has been moving up the board and now looks to be a solid first-round selection. The Dolphins, Chargers, Chiefs and Bears all could take a cornerback in the first round.

Two versatile defensive backs -- Ohio State's Donte Whitner and Tennessee's Jason Allen -- have moved into the first round, too. Whitner can play cornerback or either safety spot and excels in run support.
Allen, who can play cornerback or free safety, is coming off a hip injury but showed in pre-draft workouts that he still has blazing speed. We expect a run on safeties at the top of Round 2, but Whitner and Allen both could be gone by then. Pittsburgh, at No. 32, certainly would look hard if Whitner and/or Allen is/are available at the end of Round 1.


Finally, it appears as if Southern California running back LenDale White's best move has been to lay low and keep quiet. After putting off workouts and then performing poorly, all indications were that White clearly had dropped out of the first round. However, many teams are desperate for a big, tough between-the-tackles runner and there are few to be had in this draft. The result? White probably is back in the first-round picture and could be drafted in the 20s.

Porky
04-25-2006, 12:50 PM
Agreed, there is no way the Texans would take Whitworth at #33, they need players that are capable of making an immediate impact, and Whitworth has a lot of work to do before he's ready to start and be effective in the NFL. I'd consider Eric Winston, Nick Mangold, or even Marcus McNeill at #33, but no other OLinemen are worth that pick for us. Johnathan Joseph would give Winston a serious run for his money as my top choice at #33, that would partly depend on whether we go offense (Bush) or defense (Mario) with our 1st pick.

I don't like Joseph myself. He has the measurables, but I see bust potential in him. We have a corner with all the measurables already on the roster. I would take Whitworth between those two. I actually have Thomas Howard with our 2nd rd pick in my mock, but we shall see. If they take Joseph, I will get behind him and hope I am wrong.

As to Al Davis, it's a well known fact he has a thing for VY. Mel Kiper or not, the cat is out of the bag.