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blockhead83
04-16-2006, 12:53 PM
HPF is writing on their main page that Wand has been working as LT during and after practice, with Mike Sherman paying extra attention to him and his pass blocking. Pitts is at LG, Flanagan at C, McKinney at RG, and Wiegert at RT. It's interesting that they're looking at potentially trying Wand at LT again after the old staff apparently gave up on Wand altogether last year. When Wand did step in as LT I think our offensive line had it's best performance, which is still not saying much but with new coaching and a new center I'd expect to see some improvement.

Anyways, it's still very early and we have no idea if they'll draft any OL in the draft, but this is the first I'd heard about what the new coaching staff will be doing with our offensive line. Hopefully Wand can make use of Sherman's tutoring and give us a starter's performance at LT.

jacquescas
04-16-2006, 12:57 PM
and hopefully they can draft Eric Winston and they can duke it out for LT and let the loser take the RT spot.

also goes with our tradition of having o linemen with their last name starting with W. Weigart, Wade, Weary, Washington, Wand. Winston just fits on that line.

HJam72
04-16-2006, 01:10 PM
Wand might do just fine with a better center and now having more experience, but the thought of him back at LT is making me :brickwall :brickwall :brickwall

I just hope that they keep him on a short leash. If he hasn't improved, don't stick with him at LT--just give a shot for a while, that's fine.

gtexan02
04-16-2006, 01:22 PM
Heres what I see as possibilities:

For Tackles, it seems we have the following:
Pitts - Did very well as LT, although tends to be more power than finesse, and can get beat by the quick speed rushers going around him. Tends to jump the gun, and hold when beat. Seems to be most natural and dominates at LG

Wand - Showed a lot of promise coming out of college but had a lot of difficulty during his rookie season and took almost all the heat for the OL failures. Wasn't really given any coaching last season, and so still may viable. Tends to be a little passive, however, and doesn't seem to respond well to competition.

Winston/College - Both of these guys are quick, solid and fit Kubiak's scheme perfectly. To improve on matters, Winston should still be there in the 2nd and Colledge should still be there in the 3rd. Installing a rookie into the LT when are first games are against the Eagles (Darren Howard and Kearse) the Colts (Freeney and Mathis) and Redskins could be a disaster

Wade - Rated as the best FA tackle a few seasons back, but has underachieved in pass blocking while still holding his own in run blocking. Is a huge road grader type, though, and so may not fit very well into Kubiaks zone scheme

Wiegert - Filled in very nicely at RT last season, but is getting extremely old and has a lot of injury concerns. Would be a great starter, but can't be counted on for a full season.

Centers:

Flannagan - Past probowler and proven signal caller for Brett Favre. Reads defenses well and is a very decent blocker. Has played with Sherman for years and knows his coaching style. Had a serious injury 2 seasons ago but appeared to be ok last year. If healthy, could be our best OL

Hodgon - Did ok last year filling in as rookie, but tends to be undersized and can't make the calls for the line. Give him a few years and maybe he'll be ready, but as of now, should be used as a backup

Guards:

Pitts - See above. Based on his size and driving force, I feel he'd be perfect in the guard spot. With a decent LT and C surrounding him, he should have no problems

Weary - Was resigned very quickly by our staff. I don't really know that much about him

McKinney - played much better at G than he did at C. Allowed larger DTs to immediatley collapse the pocket on Carr. Good signal caller, but should return to his old form from Indy in the G spot

Wiegart - Can play G just as well, if not better, than RT. Again, see above

So I guess my optimal OL would be just like yours above, the only problem is the rookie starter. The main issue I see is that our only viable backup LTs are Pitts and Wand. I'm not ready to trust Wand, and I'd rather leave everyone in one position for the entire year. This means no moving Pitts from LT at the beginning to LG when the rook is ready to start. It will be ineteresting to see what the coaches do

ccdude730
04-16-2006, 01:24 PM
the first thing that popped in my head was the 10 million dollar signing bonus for wade. i wonder if his days are numbered here...

wand-mckinney-flanagan-weigart-pitts
now that could work for me.

but this makes for an interesting draft/camp since flanagan is the only player who has a lock on a line position. pitts moving back to LG, mckinney on the other side of the center, no wade, more wand, and weigart still at RT

Goldeagle
04-16-2006, 01:24 PM
I really like Marcus McNeil in this draft. Wand seems to slow and watching Eric Winston at the Senior Bowl, he got owned.

Of course we all know D Brick should be the pick, but I guess improving your team where it is needed most is not popular these days.

Marcus
04-16-2006, 01:47 PM
I disagree with this constant tinkering with Pitts at the guard spot. Pitts' strengths are his lateral quickness and speed, but when he has played guard in the past, he hasn't been able to handle the strong defensive tackles coming straight ahead.

He should be left at LT. He does a nice job there, and was not, and is not now the main concern about the line. I think the current experiment with Pitts at guard now is actually the experiment with Wand by the new coaches to see what they have exactly in Wand.

If they do, as I expect, take an LT with the 2nd round pick, then I see Pitts going to RT, not LG. But remember, a rookie LT is a rookie LT is rookie LT. He's going to make some silly mistakes that will some of you screaming 'bust'.

But this thing with Pitts at LG is never going to pan out IMO.

Runner
04-16-2006, 02:02 PM
I was wondering when this would get "officially" reported. As of now (and admittedly there is a long way to go until the first game) the starting line is:

Wand-Pitts-Flanagan-McKinney-Weigert

I think the new coaches know how to bring out the best in players. Sherman working out with Wand after practices to teach him how to fix his big weakness is certainly better than Pendry yelling at him after every snap and then benching him. Wand has all the physical skills - with Sherman tuning up his footwork, expect to be surprised.

Here is something I wrote up on a thread that went astray a couple of days ago (post 11 on on this thread http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=21166):

1) I agree we'll see Pitts stop moving around, but he'll stick at guard. The coaches will teach him how to play a team game from that position and fix that weakness. Left guard.

2) I'm not a big McKinney fan, but I trust our coaches' evaluation far more than mine. Right guard.

3) Even an average center improves our line tremendously, especially since it also makes our guards stronger. This goes a long way to us getting a consistent pocket for Carr to step up into, which then helps our tackles. Nice move - it all fits together.

4) This coaching staff is the best thing to happen to Wand since he's been here. They recognize he has all the tools required to be a left tackle, and they are good enough coaches to teach him the techniques to make him our franchise left tackle. Surprise, surprise - the left tackle we've been looking for has been here all along.

5a&b) As has been pointed out, we have great coaching for the o-line for the first time in franchise history. Our players will be better, because the team will take advantage of their strengths and work the scheme and teach to reduce their weaknesses.

6) I think they'll draft for depth, especially at right tackle as Weigert winds down his career.

7) Weigert will be valuable at RT. He may need some tight end help at times, but we have that TE help now. The coaches will take advantage of this and devise offensive schemes make players better as a unit then they are individually. He has injury concerns, but we'll probably have Wade and a rookie as back-ups. He is a leader on the line, although that goes unnoticed here.


Wand-Pitts-Flanagan-McKinney-Weigert.

Add in some top notch coaching and our problems have been addressed nicely.


Also, posts 87 onward on this thread from a week ago make interesting reading.

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=19958&page=5

Marcus
04-16-2006, 02:02 PM
Of course we all know D Brick should be the pick, but I guess improving your team where it is needed most is not popular these days.
This has been the biggest gripe I've had about this stupid draft. We have the chance to get the premier LT that will the answer at that spot for the next 10 years . . . and yet we can't take him because he won't "put fans in the seats".:brickwall

Runner
04-16-2006, 02:07 PM
I really like Marcus McNeil in this draft. Wand seems to slow and watching Eric Winston at the Senior Bowl, he got owned.

Of course we all know D Brick should be the pick, but I guess improving your team where it is needed most is not popular these days.

Wand's combine numbers (which appear to have been on a slower track if you look at the numbers for all the participants) were quicker than Ferguson's on the agility drills. His main strengths are quickness and speed, but that is just the coaches and scouts talking.

Runner
04-16-2006, 02:09 PM
http://www.houstonprofootball.com

Wolf
04-16-2006, 02:12 PM
come on draft.. this kinda gets me excited with the OL if Wade gets pushed out .. yes I know we pay him a bunch of money, but if this OL works ..that means we have coaches that can bring out the best in players and we actually are starting to have depth where people are going to have to start fighting for their starting spots..

This is something we haven't seen in Houston since the early to mid ninties ... position battles :yahoo:


of course I realize this post is very premature given the draft hasn't come and training camp hasn't started ,but say we draft Scott in 2nd round or whoever.. that can mean more depth/position battles

I guess I feel more comfortable with our Offensive coaches than last year..
:redtowel:

Hottoddie
04-16-2006, 02:16 PM
This has been the biggest gripe I've had about this stupid draft. We have the chance to get the premier LT that will the answer at that spot for the next 10 years . . . and yet we can't take him because he won't "put fans in the seats".:brickwall

Amen.

I do have a question though. With as much money as we're paying Wade, & with it looking like he won't be the starter next year, what does everyone think we can get for him in trade? After all, he's in his prime, is in great shape, & is a great drive blocker for the running game.

Any thoughts on what we could get & to whom we could trade him? Or, are we just going to keep him as our backup RT?

JohnGalt
04-16-2006, 02:20 PM
With Wade's and Wiegert's injury history, it may be prudent to keep them both at RT

Runner
04-16-2006, 02:28 PM
Many posters have been saying that the team was a victim of bad coaching. If you truly believe this, it logically follows that there are players on the team that are better than they've been allowed to show.

Hottoddie
04-16-2006, 02:29 PM
With Wade's and Wiegert's injury history, it may be prudent to keep them both at RT

Wade was injured last year, but prior to this last year, he'd only missed 3 games in 5 years & 2 of those were in his first year here. Assuming he is healed from his injury this year, there are no injury concerns in regards to Wade.

As for Wiegert, well, that's another story.

How about we pick up Andrew Whitworth in the 3rd round?

Goldeagle
04-16-2006, 02:35 PM
Many posters have been saying that the team was a victim of bad coaching. If you truly believe this, it logically follows that there are players on the team that are better than they've been allowed to show.


Very true, I still say D brick, but you are right, we will see though.

JohnGalt
04-16-2006, 02:38 PM
I really think that on draft weekend they are going to pick up some 3rd or 4th round type players like Wand and Weary. I don't think that they will be expected to compete for a starting spot, but will be developmental players being groomed for 2007 or 2008.

If Sherman can bring around Wand (I think he can) and with Pitts and McKinney moving back to their natural positions, the O-Line is not going to be a big problem in 2006.

Do I dare say it could be a strength?

Texans_Chick
04-16-2006, 02:45 PM
I really think that on draft weekend they are going to pick up some 3rd or 4th round type players like Wand and Weary. I don't think that they will be expected to compete for a starting spot, but will be developmental players being groomed for 2007 or 2008.

If Sherman can bring around Wand (I think he can) and with Pitts and McKinney moving back to their natural positions, the O-Line is not going to be a big problem in 2006.

Do I dare say it could be a strength?


Wow. Wand at LT. I know some people have been saying it, but wow. If Sherman can make a line that is basically mostly the same people into something that doesn't suck, it will freak my stuff up. If it becomes a strength of the team, Sherman will be gone next year. (Though if they just turn out not sucking, he will probably be gone next year anyways).

JohnGalt
04-16-2006, 02:49 PM
This is Sherman's ticket to becoming a H.C. in 2007.

Marcus
04-16-2006, 03:29 PM
Mike Sherman will be gone next year no matter what the Texans do. Teams who fire their head coaches next year will be looking for people that used to be an NFL HC with a winning record.

Wait a minute. None of those exist, or they wouldn't have been fired in the first place, right?:crazy:

Better enjoy while he's here. Not often you can get a proven winning NFL HC as an offensive line coach.

Texans Horror
04-16-2006, 07:53 PM
Not trying to blow my own rusty horn, but scored this one!:redtowel:

Glad to see it come true - good luck to Wand and the rest of the linemen.:yahoo:

Post #87

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=314391#post314391

The Preacher
04-16-2006, 08:09 PM
They'll have to create some kind award if this pans out. I'm not saying I am skeptical but simply adding a veteran center and wahlah, a strong line is created. I seriously hope this staff doesn't think they know too much for their own good in that they think they can rebuild anything just because they've been successful. Remember Hoke was going to turn PB into an all-pro? I definitely trust Sherman but it all is a little surreal. Maybe they did just need some confidence and better coaching but is still seems like a gamble. From what I have seen I have been very impressed as the pieces to the team have been brought together. I trust this staff enough to make whatever decisions they see fit and feel the club is far better thanks to all the coaching changes. I seriously hope it doesn't blow up in their face though if we have all these playmakers and the blocking is still way below par when you can get multiple picks in addition to the best lineman in the draft. I will be glad to see whatever direction they choose since anyway they go should result in vast improvement. The worst has to be way behind us now...right? :whistle:

keyfro
04-16-2006, 08:19 PM
here's a thought that i don't think many have brought up...but knowing casserly has a long history of making draft day trades...all be it upsetting most of the time...what if they were planning on trading to get back into the second round to pick up davin joseph...speculating that we get one of the cb/fs type players at the top of the second round adding joseph would make a lot of sense...one we need more lineman who can play both guard and tackle...two with weigert moving to RT an injury is bound to happen...having joseph gives us the option of moving pitts to RT and having joseph fill in at LG and i beleive the production of the o-line would not fall that far if any with joseph replacing pitts at the guard position...on top of that i think pitts is probably the best RT we have on this team...he's also the best LT we have on the team as well...but what i do know is that sherman knows o-lineman...if he thinks wand is good enough to be our starter at LT then he's good enough and capers/pendry look dumber than ever

Erratic Assassin
04-16-2006, 08:23 PM
Of course we all know D Brick should be the pick, but I guess improving your team where it is needed most is not popular these days.

It's a shame we'd couldn't have won just one more game this past season. We wouldn't be in this position right now if we had. But, unfortunately, we won the Reggie Bush sweepstakes. We have no choice but to take Reggie because no one wants to be the guy who passed on "the next Gayle Sayers".

run-david-run
04-16-2006, 08:42 PM
So what, just because ESPN says so, we cant pass on Bush? You know why we are the worst team in football? Well, that list can go on for a while, but I can tell you with certanty that Domanick Davis was not one of those reasons. Take D'Brick, let NFL countdown and ABC Sports and CNN and CBS and everyone else criticize all they want. Then watch Carr, standing up in the pocket, find Eric Moulds or AJ for some TD's.

Runner
04-16-2006, 08:54 PM
...on top of that i think pitts is probably the best RT we have on this team...he's also the best LT we have on the team as well...but what i do know is that sherman knows o-lineman...if he thinks wand is good enough to be our starter at LT then he's good enough ...

Rest assured that Kubiak, Sherman, et. al. know more than the average poster on this board. They know a heckuva lot more than me, that's for sure. If they have Wand at LT, then he's the best LT we have - not Pitts.

I hope Pitts gives Wand the same support that Milord Brown gave Pitts last year - then we'll see the best left side we've ever had. I know Pitts is on a pedestal around here, but he needs to step up too.

Honoring Earl 34
04-16-2006, 09:03 PM
:ok: This is just a starting point . The line will be tweeked several times before the season starts and might have players who are not yet on the team .

Hottoddie
04-16-2006, 09:09 PM
than we'll see the best left side we've ever had.

Sorry, but that honor goes to Matthews & Munchak. They may have been Oilers, but they were still Houston's NFL team.

Runner
04-16-2006, 09:15 PM
Sorry, but that honor goes to Matthews & Munchak. They may have been Oilers, but they were still Houston's NFL team.

?????

Maybe we can define "we" to mean the entire NFL and come to another completely different answer! That would be fun!

Let me rephrase:

then we'll see the best left side the Houston Texans have ever had.

Runner
04-16-2006, 09:27 PM
Wow. Wand at LT. I know some people have been saying it, but wow. If Sherman can make a line that is basically mostly the same people into something that doesn't suck, it will freak my stuff up. If it becomes a strength of the team, Sherman will be gone next year. (Though if they just turn out not sucking, he will probably be gone next year anyways).

I lump Texans Chick in with D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Peerless Price, and all of the sudden I'm "some people". I'm devastated. :)

War_Eagle
04-16-2006, 09:29 PM
Marcus McNeil would be a great pickup with the First pick in the second round. Very athletic, strong and knows the position. Could be the answer for Carr's woes.....Also like Thomas Howard at OLB if he falls a few spots.:drool:

CoastalTexan
04-16-2006, 09:44 PM
We had our best running year with Wand and Pitts on the left side, correct? So at least they can run-block good. When i watched Pitts at LG this year he would contain his man good but the Tackle (riley) would break down and the right gaurd/tackle would also crack.

The Preacher
04-16-2006, 09:48 PM
:ok: This is just a starting point . The line will be tweeked several times before the season starts and might have players who are not yet on the team .

That's what I was thinking I'm sure they're still trying to figure out exactly what they have. They can only tell by experimenting so to say the lineup is set at this point seems pretty premature.

Runner
04-16-2006, 10:04 PM
That's what I was thinking I'm sure they're still trying to figure out exactly what they have. They can only tell by experimenting so to say the lineup is set at this point seems pretty premature.

The line hasn't been "set" since McClain announced the left side/center was set with Pitts/McKinney/Hodgdon in the Chronicle. That was repeated so many times on this board I'm sure people still can't believe that was an 0-3 prediction.

What we have is an initial depth chart. What we also know is a set of very good coaches see things differently than many fans. Let me point out that we didn't look at any left tackles this free agent period - that should tell you what Sherman thinks of Wand. I bet these coaches were astounded when they studied film and looked at the talent on the roster vs. what was put on the field last year. The schemes the Texans attempted to run must have shocked them too.

Can things change? Certainly - and now we have coaches that aren't afraid to change things to get better.

keyfro
04-16-2006, 10:18 PM
personally i think wand deserves another shot before he gets put in the perminate back-up spot...remember this guy was a 3rd round choice and for an offensive lineman that means something...also pendry/capers= zero knowledge over offensive lineman or just plain zero knowledge over how to run an offense period...wand might be better than most gave him credit for...i remember vinny stating that he thought most of wand's problems in 2004 stemmed from mckinney's play at center

Texans Horror
04-16-2006, 10:27 PM
I never thought, and I still don't believe, that any offensive lineman picked up in the draft would have an automatic pass to the front of the line. Lineman need time to gel. So whether we pick up a McNeil, Winston, Justice, or whoever, I think it would be in the capacity to groom them for a position opening in 2007/08. That was why I thought we would see a lot of familiar faces on the line. Anything can happen between now and September, but I don't expect the line to change much. The coaches know that a line needs to gel, so they aren't going to shuffle too much. Also, the Texans have put a lot of their investments in Defense and some major offensive weapons, so I don't think we are going to see too many more new faces - except Reggie, of course.

dalemurphy
04-17-2006, 12:49 AM
personally i think wand deserves another shot before he gets put in the perminate back-up spot...remember this guy was a 3rd round choice and for an offensive lineman that means something...also pendry/capers= zero knowledge over offensive lineman or just plain zero knowledge over how to run an offense period...wand might be better than most gave him credit for...i remember vinny stating that he thought most of wand's problems in 2004 stemmed from mckinney's play at center


The treatment of Wand last season still amazes me. As a first year starter in 2004, he gave up 12.5 sacks and committed 3 penalties. Someone show me a LT who only committed three penalties while playing in 16 games. 2 of those games came against Freeney. By the way, for reasons surpassing understanding, he was left on an island with Freeney almost every play for both games- I also remember Freeney embarrassing guys like Jonathan Ogden. In addition, Carr's pocket presence isn't particularly good... not to mention the fact that due to the interior line in 2004, there seldom was a pocket. So yeah, I think the guy deserves another chance. As a matter of a fact, I can't remember him getting badly beat by any DE other than Freeney. Most of the sacks were of the 4-5 second variety.

Ibar_Harry
04-17-2006, 02:21 AM
As some have mentioned it was strange when Wand lost his job, because he had basically done a good job the year before. Then we had the infamous scheme change being implimented by an incompetent coach.

Lets step back a minute and reflect on who thought Wand had it all and that was Boselli. He had tuitored Wand and felt very good about him. I felt Mr. B left and didn't stay around to help at all, because of the coaching staff. He brought a lot of spirit to the team.

I mention Mr. B because I think I would take his judgement over Pendry and Capers on this subject. Now, in steps Sherman and may be he sees something. It would be very damning to say the least if Wand turns out to be one of the answers.

I worry about Pitts next to Wand, because I have felt Pitts also contributed a lot to Wands troubles. I would prefer to have Wiegert at LG and Pitts at RT. That would put McKinney at RG. Part of it is a personality thing, but I also thing there are some other factors. We will just have to wait and see how it turns out.

Sherman has an excellent reputation coaching O-lines. Kubiak has an excellent reputation for coaching RB's and QB's. Are weakest link in the offensive coaching could be the WR's once again. However, with Sherman and Kubiak over seeing that position and the vetern leadership Moulds should give us, we should be alright. Anyway, I think this team is coming together in an unbelievable way and I see no way barring injury that we won't be vastly improved. I keep saying, just sit back and enjoy the ride, its going to blow you away.

Malloy
04-17-2006, 04:02 AM
Anyway, I think this team is coming together in an unbelievable way and I see no way barring injury that we won't be vastly improved. I keep saying, just sit back and enjoy the ride, its going to blow you away.

I agree, without truly knowing what's in store, things look alot more positive than last years 2-14. What we have here are players and coaches eager and willing to prove themselves, that's enough for me really. We might lose alot of games, but with our current team we'll fight to the end and won't roll over as we did so many times last year.

Runner
04-17-2006, 09:20 AM
Not trying to blow my own rusty horn, but scored this one!

Glad to see it come true - good luck to Wand and the rest of the linemen.

Post #87

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?p=314391#post314391

Go ahead and play that trombone. I'd give you rep for calling it, but I already did when you posted it originally.

Texans_Chick
04-17-2006, 09:29 AM
I lump Texans Chick in with D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Peerless Price, and all of the sudden I'm "some people". I'm devastated. :)


I weigh substantially less than they do. :)

As for "some people" be thankful that it wasn't a topic of conversation where I mighta said "some doofuses believe....." or "a buncha silly peoples think...." :cool:

I don't know what I think about our line. Other than that in previous seasons it has scared me

Runner
04-17-2006, 09:54 AM
As for "some people" be thankful that it wasn't a topic of conversation where I mighta said "some doofuses believe....." or "a buncha silly peoples think...."

At least in that case I would have known you weren't referring to me.


Why would this line make you nervous? It is the complete opposite of what Pendry would field. Is there any greater praise?

Texans_Chick
04-17-2006, 03:12 PM
At least in that case I would have known you weren't referring to me.


Why would this line make you nervous? It is the complete opposite of what Pendry would field. Is there any greater praise?

Because our line in general makes me nervous. Because David Carr behind our line makes me nervous. Because our team is gonna be tested big time early in the season. Nothing like becoming reaquainted with Freeney in Week 2 for a new line.

I would love to say everything bad last year was on the coaches, but I don't think it was. Some was on the coaches, and some was on the line, and some was on the RB/TEs and some was on the QB. And a bunch was on injuries. Well, we've changed the coaching and the scheme but much of the personnel is the same. Until I see these guys actually performing, the four years of cringeworthy pass protection can't be erased from my mind no matter how many positive projecting MB posts I read or how much alcohol I consume.

There was a time where David Carr was singing Pendry's praises. That time was short. There is a time now where Sherman is the new savior, and hopefully whatever line he puts together works a lot mo better. It is just remarkable to me that Wand could go from starter to can't get off the bench to projected LT. If that doesn't give you a little bit of the willies, then you have a much stronger constitution than I have.

Runner
04-17-2006, 03:52 PM
1) There was a time where David Carr was singing Pendry's praises.

2) It is just remarkable to me that Wand could go from starter to can't get off the bench to projected LT. If that doesn't give you a little bit of the willies, then you have a much stronger constitution than I have.

1) Certainly you've heard people sing the company line before. That was pure politics - by all the players, not just Carr. IMO.

2) I don't have the willies because this should be Wand's third year starting. The aberration was Victor Riley taking the job last year. This is just getting back on track. Last year's benching had nothing to do with putting a better player on the field, because Riley surely wasn't.

Relax. Things will be OK.

Buffi2
04-17-2006, 06:18 PM
The aberration was Victor Riley taking the job last year.
Relax. Things will be OK.

Victor Riley - now there is a name to give a person the willies. The fact that he is no longer among us is enough to give me faith in a stronger oline. Hopefully, we won't have any more Victor Riley's....ever.

blockhead83
04-17-2006, 07:42 PM
I would have liked to have heard the conversations behind doors that decided what should have been a backup guard should be our starting LT.

Pendry: "Wand's a pantywaist, let's put Riley at LT. He's big and blocks good."
Dom Capers: "As long as he executes, I think we'll be fine."

Suffice to say in retrospect the old regime did not make very intelligent decisions regarding our offensive line. Here's to hoping Sherman and Kubiak can turn the line around and consequently turn around what was one of the worst offenses the league has seen in the past decade.

Texans Horror
04-18-2006, 10:16 AM
I've heard mention before that this is experimentation since it is still early, but I think Sherman is more locked down with his line. I think it is partially that experimentation over the past few years that kept the line from becoming more cohesive. By solidifying the line now, the unit will improve as a whole.

Runner
04-18-2006, 10:32 AM
I was listening to an interview with Todd Washington on the radio yesterday. I was waiting to see what he thought of the o-line shuffle when the host asked him something along the lines of "since the left side of the line is set in concrete with Pitts and Mckinney, what do you think of the right side....."

Washington responded with a statement about how flexible the players on the line were and that they could play multiple positions.

Why is it so hard for people, even those who are paid to follow the team, to accept the fact that the new line might not follow Pendry's failed blueprint? Do people deep down think that Pendry was doing a good job?

This new line-up was chosen though film study by experts and has been practicing like this for a couple of weeks now. The coaches like what they see. Change can be good.

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I agree with the previous post - this isn't so much experimenting as it is the coaches trying to get their best line together as early as possible. The draft may change things; we'll see.

DRAMA
04-18-2006, 11:22 AM
Why is it so hard for people, even those who are paid to follow the team, to accept the fact that the new line might not follow Pendry's failed blueprint?

I COMPLETELY agree. I, too, do not understand why people consider us the same team as last year. Almost evert facet of this team will be different - if not the player then the way the player is coached. If not the play, then the tenacity and expectations during its execution. We are a COMPLETELY different team by day 1 in every phase. Yet, so many people see this Oline and can't believe that maybe they have untapped ability. Maybe they don't but we do have a staff that will find out one way or the other.

We still look at ourselves as 2-14....and that's too bad. We should expect the Texans to succeed. Seriously, would you take Denver's ENTIRE offense or would you take the Texans ENTIRE offense. Well, Denver was almost at the show and had a Defense that was considered a bunch of castoffs.

It's called coaching...and we have it for the first time in our existence as a team.

Blu
04-18-2006, 11:33 AM
With the #33(2nd Round) The Texans should pick Winston OT from Miami (FL). I know he had some problems with a knee but he can push folks around like nothing.:drool:

PokerStar
04-18-2006, 11:36 AM
Blu if Winston falls he is definately our pick unless something weird happens. Also, I see alot of talk being made about Wand working at LT. I would not get to excited, he will not be there come game time. Look for Pitts to hold down the LT and Wand, Weigert, and a draft pick to hold down the RT. Weigert will be the starter and with his injury history Wand and the draft pick should get some snaps. Now I am assuming Todd Wade gets his pink slip on June 1st so things could change. Still Wand is not a LT and the sacks he would give up would just kill us. Hopefully he will get a fire under him, because word is that he plays like a lower region female body part.(rhymes with Wussy)

El Tejano
04-18-2006, 11:59 AM
I just hope that our Oline can stay injury free and that we can have a final decision with who plays where and stick with. The past four seasons hasn't helped anyone of those guys on our team.

Bullfan
04-18-2006, 12:02 PM
Poker:

Big talk for a SMALL man! Want to bet who stays left tackle? Think the coaches know more than you do, so I'd watch my coments. Hope ypu enjoy eating "crow".:twocents:

JohnGalt
04-18-2006, 12:22 PM
Hopefully he will get a fire under him, because word is that he plays like a lower region female body part.(rhymes with Wussy)

That rumor was started by Pendry and frankly I don't see anyone can accept his opinion on linemen anymore.

That's a big statement for someone hiding behind an alias on a message board. Personally, I don't think you can question the toughness of anyone that is on a NFL team.

I've read scouting reports that describe Wand as level-headed and unlikely to lose his cool. Pendry wanted a guy that would snap and get mean. When personal fouls and emotional mistakes can kill a drive, I personally would prefer the "cold-blooded killer" type at LT than the beserker.

Runner
04-18-2006, 12:43 PM
There are times I wish I was a moderator so I could help clean up the garbage.

However, back on point. Counting on a 2nd, 3rd, or later round OL draft choice to be an instant starter is more risky than playing your NFL experienced 2nd and 3rd round draft choices. Especially since qualified coaches have studied the game film and personally worked with the players we have.

I guess the next thing we'll see is a Fire Sherman thread, because he has the audacity to suggest Pitts not play left tackle. The nerve of that man! Who does he think he is? How is he even remotely qualified to make that decision? I'll bet Benton has a hand in this too! What about Kubiak? Wait until he finds out!

We didn't even pursue free agent left tackles - the coaches have confidence in what they are doing and some of the talent they have. These coaches have proven to be good at their jobs. They are going to make this work without having to take backward steps and starting over.

Texans Horror
04-18-2006, 12:58 PM
Sherman wanted Wand back when he was drafted. For that reason alone, I wouldn't doubt it if when Sherman was asked if he needed a left tackle, he said "No thanks. Got one already."

I'm not sure I'd call him a cold-blooded killer, but Wand is a very calm player, and he also has the athleticism to play a zone offense. He is probably one of the best-suited, if not the best-suited, player for the line right now.

As far as improving the line, I agree that odds are we lose Wade/Weigert during the season, so bringing in Eric Winston (if he falls to the second round) would be a great pick for the Texans.

Runner
04-18-2006, 12:59 PM
That rumor was started by Pendry and frankly I don't see anyone can accept his opinion on linemen anymore.


Don't trust Pendry? Why not? Didn't you see how he fixed up the line by benching Wand? Apparently some still think Wand was the whole problem in 2004.

cuppacoffee
04-18-2006, 01:30 PM
Victor Riley - now there is a name to give a person the willies. The fact that he is no longer among us is enough to give me faith in a stronger oline. Hopefully, we won't have any more Victor Riley's....ever.

This alone should remove all doubt that Pendry was clueless :wacko:..
and Capers was gutless letting Pendry make that move..:penalty:

I've been in Wands corner through it all. I may be wrong, Boselli might have been wrong, but until Wand is given a decent chance with a real coach I will keep the faith. I think Wand will play at a very high level for years to come.

Feel free to remind me how wrong I am at the end of the year :dangit:..if Sherman doesn't upgrade Wands play.

:coffee:

Jwwillis
04-18-2006, 01:50 PM
If you read other teams message boards you will see that the Texans O-line is notorious around the league. Buffalo fans think Moulds was insane to go to a team with such a poor o-line. ALL football fans will have to SEE improvment on the field before that tag is removed. The moves that have been made or not made don't make a bit of diffrence when it comes to league wide perception. D's will bring it hard the 1st few games. If Kubiak and the Texans are ready for it, they will stop soon enough.

Runner
04-18-2006, 02:16 PM
If you read other teams message boards you will see that the Texans O-line is notorious around the league. Buffalo fans think Moulds was insane to go to a team with such a poor o-line. ALL football fans will have to SEE improvment on the field before that tag is removed. The moves that have been made or not made don't make a bit of diffrence when it comes to league wide perception. D's will bring it hard the 1st few games. If Kubiak and the Texans are ready for it, they will stop soon enough.

I'd rate Buffalo fans' opinions below Texans fans' opinions as far as our team goes. Surprisingly to some, I'd rate all of these fans' opinions below Kubiak's, Sherman's, Benton's, etc.

However, I'm open minded. Maybe we should start a poll on who the o-line should be. Then we could send the results to the coaching staff and they can quit wasting so much time evaluating players.

Runner
04-18-2006, 02:43 PM
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Bullfan
04-18-2006, 03:44 PM
GARY KUBIAK--

Your reply is GROSS!

jerek
04-18-2006, 03:54 PM
No real thoughts, other than Pitts needs to stay at T and I agree, if Winston (Miami) falls us to at 33, we should definitely pick him up.

HJam72
04-18-2006, 04:22 PM
I saw a post somewhere showing that, as bad as Wand's rookie numbers were, Pitts were actually worse. Obviously Pitts has improved dramatically and I think Wand will too. Some also think that Pitts is better suited for LG than anything else and would be a monster there. I don't know who will be best at LT in the long run.

I agree totally about taking Winston at 33, if possible.

PokerStar
04-18-2006, 06:30 PM
Guys why all the hostility toward me for saying what people in the organization have said. His toughness is questioned. I say call the Strength Coaches show on Saturdays and ask him. He just might tell you. He might even tell you that TJ is a 260lb guy carrying around 40+lbs of just pure fat.

I did not say Wand was not good, I think I said he would challenge for the RT spot, but dont blame me cause of what has been said. I am not talking about that joke Pendry who was cashing it in anyway, I am talking about people still with the franchise. Either way believe what you will. I still think Wand is better suited at RT and could eventually if that fire gets lit be that other bookend with Pitts.

Also, I am not an overly small guy. I am a little chubby now, good food, great beer and all, but not a small guy by any means.

Number19
04-18-2006, 06:32 PM
With the #33(2nd Round) The Texans should pick Winston OT from Miami (FL). I know he had some problems with a knee but he can push folks around like nothing.:drool:I have re-evaluated my grade for Winston, downward, since learning he has 32 1/4" arm length. 33" is considered the NFL minimum for LT, and his success at this position is certainly now in question.

Runner
04-18-2006, 08:41 PM
Guys why all the hostility toward me for saying what people in the organization have said. His toughness is questioned. I say call the Strength Coaches show on Saturdays and ask him. He just might tell you. He might even tell you that TJ is a 260lb guy carrying around 40+lbs of just pure fat.

I did not say Wand was not good, I think I said he would challenge for the RT spot, but dont blame me cause of what has been said. I am not talking about that joke Pendry who was cashing it in anyway, I am talking about people still with the franchise. Either way believe what you will. I still think Wand is better suited at RT and could eventually if that fire gets lit be that other bookend with Pitts.



So in the first paragraph you say to ask the people in the organization and they'll tell you.

The coaches have him at left tackle. However, in the second paragraph you ignore that and say he'll compete for the right tackle spot.

Is there a list of people in the organization we should believe and ignore? To start the list I'd guess you are saying trust Dan Riley but not Mike Sherman. Is this correct?

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Why the hostility? I'd suggest you go back and edit out the so cleverly hidden profanity and see how that works. If you give respect, you'll get it from me. I know you offended at least one woman on this board.

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Edited to add: By the way, I trust Dan Riley's opinions. I posted here a year ago that the strength and conditioning guys weren't very high on the excessive practicing in extreme heat the team did in training camp. Riley should really like the Denver style training methods that have been brought in. My problem is, I trust Mike Sherman's evaluations too.

Coach C.
04-18-2006, 09:24 PM
Wow first Pokerstar seems like you struck a nerve. Funny though. Dont get to discouraged Runner gets on tiffs.

Runner you know as you seemed to be a good poster and steadily well informed that during OTAs and other minicamp workouts they will try a variety of people at different spots. I seriously doubt that Wand gets the nod over Pitts at LT. Pitts has played T most of his football life, and has proven to be an adequate and possibly above average one at that. Wand has proven to be at least in my opinion adequate, but likely nothing more. Do I say think it is because our old coaching staff was inept that he did not see time, no I think it is because he did not perform. See Peek saw time, because he was a terror on the field, Riley saw time because in practice he looked like he might be able to block someone, Wand did not see time because he did not get his job done.

Dan Riley has a pretty good insight on players, when it comes to toughness, so I would listen to him on issues such as, but you are right Sherman makes the decisions and his process should be trusted.

Either way Runner and Pokerstar cool your jets. And Pokerstar get in the gym big man if your'e feeling chunky.

Runner
04-18-2006, 09:51 PM
Wow first Pokerstar seems like you struck a nerve. Funny though. Dont get to discouraged Runner gets on tiffs.

Runner you know as you seemed to be a good poster and steadily well informed that during OTAs and other minicamp workouts they will try a variety of people at different spots. I seriously doubt that Wand gets the nod over Pitts at LT. Pitts has played T most of his football life, and has proven to be an adequate and possibly above average one at that. Wand has proven to be at least in my opinion adequate, but likely nothing more. Do I say think it is because our old coaching staff was inept that he did not see time, no I think it is because he did not perform. See Peek saw time, because he was a terror on the field, Riley saw time because in practice he looked like he might be able to block someone, Wand did not see time because he did not get his job done.

Dan Riley has a pretty good insight on players, when it comes to toughness, so I would listen to him on issues such as, but you are right Sherman makes the decisions and his process should be trusted.

Either way Runner and Pokerstar cool your jets. And Pokerstar get in the gym big man if your'e feeling chunky.

First of all, tiffs? I think I bring out logical arguments when I disagree with someone. Is it a tiff because I disagree with you? Is there some evidence that Riley shouldn't have played 4 games at tackle before he was replaced? If so, there is some logic that he might not have looked so good in camp. He was on pace to give up something like 26 sacks by himself after 4 games. You can defend Pendry's decision there if you like.

Second of all, "seemed to be a good poster, well informed, and so on" - did you really mean "seemed" - past tense? I still want to be a good, well-informed poster. :)

Third - do I like to root for the small school underdog? Sure.

Fourth - Sherman really likes Wand. That's a fact. Sherman is a good coach. That's a fact. The Wand detractors (for lack of a better term) are arguing on a slippery slope right now. Many keep sliding down the slope of negativity - 1) he'll be cut 2) oh he's on the team - he'll be adequate depth 3) oh - Sherman has him as the #1 tackle on the depth chart - that doesn't mean anything. 4) I expect if he's number one on the chart after camp I'll be hearing that won't last till the 1st game, at which time 5) I'll hear it won't last the year. As much as you assume I am wrong about this, take a few seconds to consider that you might also be in error. If you look at my posting history you'll see me taking mea culpas when presented with convincing evidence. Too many people here know everything and won't ever change their minds for fear of looking weak.

Fifth - back to the tiff thing. About 5 people jumped on his post, not just me - thanks for picking me out though. One young lady asked me directly about the crudity. This is a rare message board - many people like the civility here and are disappointed when people can't find a more interesting way to express an opinion than gutter talk. By the way, I've been known to be a bit of a maculosum os myself, so crudity doesn't bother me all that much.

Sixth - cool my jets? I'm not even mad. Shoot, I give rep to people I strongly disagree with when they give me an interesting argument, even if it doesn't change my mind.

Runner
04-18-2006, 10:13 PM
I have re-evaluated my grade for Winston, downward, since learning he has 32 1/4" arm length. 33" is considered the NFL minimum for LT, and his success at this position is certainly now in question.

By the way, amidst all the tiffing I forgot to say:

Good one. Very funny.

Number19
04-18-2006, 10:21 PM
It seems there has never been an answer as to why Wand was demoted last year. But comparing Pitts first year as a starter (2002) to Wands first year as a starter (2004) gives these statistics :

False Start Penalties....Wand...1........ .Pitts...3
Holding Penalties.........Wand...2..........Pitts...5
Sacks.......................Wand...12.5......Pitts ...15.5

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/index.asp

I went back and researched several top ranked OT's from the 2003 draft - Jordan Gross, Kwame Harris and Jon Stinchcomb - who were ranked just ahead of Wand. The combine numbers show why Wand was on team's radar as a mid-round prospect. Included is Colledge & Winston from this year's prospects. One or both may be available at #33. But I wouldn't lay odds that either will slip to the third round. It's easy to see why the coaches need to get some idea whether Wand will realize his potential - before the draft.

......................Wand.....Gross.......Stinchc omb......Harris.........Colledge.........Winston

40 yd dash........5.14.......5.05...........4.99........ ......5.20...........5.05..............4.94
20 yd dash........2.95.......2.92...........2.90........ ......2.96...........2.91..............2.89
10 yd dash........1.75.......1.78...........1.75........ ......1.73...........1.71..............1.70

225# reps...........20........28...............32...... ........... ---.............21...............22

vert jump...........31.5......31.5............35....... ..........35.5..........32.5................33
broad jump.........8-11.....9-4..............9-7................8-11..........9-2...............9-0

short shuttle.......4.50.....4.39............4.62....... .......4.65............4.60..............4.49
3 cone...............7.61.....7.69............7.83.. ............7.98............7.46..............7.47

wonderlic.............20........40...............3 7..................30


Wand's big negative is his wonderlic, which was predictable because of his known learning disability. He also needed to gain strength.

But particularly note his short shuttle and 3 cone times.

Runner
04-18-2006, 10:27 PM
It seems there has never been an answer ...

Stats also show that Wand is the best run blocker the team has ever had. However, that would indicate a toughness that I've been told is missing. I'm sensing a perception/reality conflict somewhere.

Number19
04-18-2006, 10:40 PM
By the way, amidst all the tiffing I forgot to say:

Good one. Very funny.

(edit) My original statement : "...(Winston's) success at (LT) is certainly now in question..."


Robert Gallery.... drafted #2 overall
Jordan Gross......drafted #8 overall

Both drafted to play LT; both playing RT

Runner
04-18-2006, 10:50 PM
(edit) My original statement : "...(Winston's) success at (LT) is certainly now in question..."


Robert Gallery.... drafted #2 overall
Jordan Gross......drafted #8 overall

Both drafted to play LT; both playing RT

That's not what I found funny - I question almost anyone who is slotted to be a lock at LT; it is a tough postion to play. I agree that Winston's success at LT would have to be proven on the NFL field.

I just thought the 3/4" was funny.

I really don't get in frequent tiffs as I've been portrayed.

Number19
04-18-2006, 11:05 PM
I agree with your explanation.

What I failed to include in my remarks is that even after Winston had largely recovered from his injury, some scouts were noticing that he was still having some problems "locking on" with certain pass rushers. I also found mentioned that it was generally assumed he had long arms. So when he was measured at 32 1/4" at the Senior Bowl, this was naturally commented upon and raised new question marks about his transition to the pro game - as a LT.

Texans Horror
04-19-2006, 04:46 AM
I agree with your explanation.

What I failed to include in my remarks is that even after Winston had largely recovered from his injury, some scouts were noticing that he was still having some problems "locking on" with certain pass rushers. I also found mentioned that it was generally assumed he had long arms. So when he was measured at 32 1/4" at the Senior Bowl, this was naturally commented upon and raised new question marks about his transition to the pro game - as a LT.

Good point about the injury. If the Texans take Winston, I would like to think it is a bit like the Buffs drafting McGahee - it is being done with the intention of not playing him and giving him more time to heal. Blown knees need rest. A year playing backup would probably do wonders for him.

Coach C.
04-19-2006, 05:43 AM
Runner you dont have to defend anything that was said, I posted toward both you and Pokerstar. And yes you "seem" fine.

Anyway as for Winston. He is graded out as the third best lineman in the draft, and likely will not make it out of the first round. His knee is fine and has been checked, rechecked, and medically cleared. His psyche about the knee he is not over yet. He still will favor a cross-over sometimes rather than a slide, that is just him thinking about the knee. Winston is close to if not the smartest OL as far as football IQ goes in this draft, and would upgrade our line quickly. He is one of the lineman more ready to play, and will be a steal if he drops to 33 or if we trade down and get him with an extra pick.

Runner
04-19-2006, 06:17 AM
Runner you dont have to defend anything that was said, I posted toward both you and Pokerstar.



I'm just responding to this:


Runner gets on tiffs


Tiffs are petty quarrels that are generally characterized as unreasonable, emotional outbursts. I don't take that as a compliment.

Texans Horror
04-19-2006, 07:10 AM
If the Texans take Winston

There are many factors in addition to when he is picked up, and there are other zone blocking linemen, so I don't think he is a must-have pick. Then again, I think the front office did well enough in the offseason that there are no "must haves" on the team (no glaring holes). It would be nice to groom a tackle or pull a cornerback/safety. IMO, whichever of those three positions is the best player available, you take that guy.

AUSTexan
04-19-2006, 08:45 PM
How about Colledge... His #'s look terrific, and he might be available in the third round. I've also read several places that he'd be a perfect LT for the Denver zone blocking scheme.

I know Winston's ranking, but I've seen him play over the past year and have never been impressed. It's just hard to overcome that feeling...

No good DBs will be there in the 3rd, however, so I think despite our OL needs, we need to go with a DB in round 2. Winston won't be there in round 3.

Sorry... guess that got a bit off topic...

SAMURAITEXAN
04-19-2006, 10:28 PM
How about Colledge... His #'s look terrific, and he might be available in the third round. I've also read several places that he'd be a perfect LT for the Denver zone blocking scheme.

I know Winston's ranking, but I've seen him play over the past year and have never been impressed. It's just hard to overcome that feeling...

No good DBs will be there in the 3rd, however, so I think despite our OL needs, we need to go with a DB in round 2. Winston won't be there in round 3.

Sorry... guess that got a bit off topic...
In case Winston doen't falls for Texans' 2nd round pick, the Texans are more than likely to pick DB BPA. It seems to me like OL prospects like Colledge, Scott, Joseph should still be able in the 3rd round anyway(at least one of three mentioned OL prospects)IMO. When Kubiak was OC for Broncos, the most of the OL were drafted from mid or later rounds? I think it would be more difficult to find good DB especially, this year's DB prospects look very impressive.

What if Cromartie falls in the 2nd round? What if Cromartie and Winston both falls in the 2nd round? Do we still take Winston? What ifs gives me headache!!:brickwall

SAMURAITEXAN
04-19-2006, 10:57 PM
How about Colledge... His #'s look terrific, and he might be available in the third round. I've also read several places that he'd be a perfect LT for the Denver zone blocking scheme.

I know Winston's ranking, but I've seen him play over the past year and have never been impressed. It's just hard to overcome that feeling...

No good DBs will be there in the 3rd, however, so I think despite our OL needs, we need to go with a DB in round 2. Winston won't be there in round 3.

Sorry... guess that got a bit off topic...
In case Winston doen't falls for Texans' 2nd round pick, the Texans are more than likely to pick DB BPA. It seems to me like OL prospects like Colledge, Scott, Joseph should still be able in the 3rd round anyway(at least one of three mentioned OL prospects)IMO. When Kubiak was OC for Broncos, the most of the OL were drafted from mid to later rounds(correct me if I'm wrong on this). I think it would be more difficult to find good DB and especially, this year's DB prospects look very impressive.

What if Cromartie falls in the 2nd round? What if Cromartie and Winston both falls in the 2nd round? Do we still take Winston? What ifs gives me headache!!:brickwall

I too apologize for a bit off topic but, when I think about drafting OL in the 2nd round, I always ran into the above questions. Should we go for DB in the 2nd round or OL?

College Texan
04-20-2006, 12:36 AM
I think the team should think about putting Pitts at RG and playing Wand at LT, Mckinney at LG and Hodgon to back him up there, Us drafting College and Eslinger, and keeping Weigert at RT. The line would look as follows.
----Wand--Mckinney--Flanagan--Pitts--Weigert
this way we have College to learn while Weigert playes out his days, the same with Eslinger learning under Flanagan, Putting out most consistent lineman to anchor the interior (reasoning with Pitts at RG b/c of his size) and us finally drafting a LT (Joe Thomas) with next years first, while Wand gets a chance to prove himself.

Texans Horror
04-20-2006, 06:18 AM
----Wand--Mckinney--Flanagan--Pitts--Weigert
this way we have College to learn while Weigert playes out his days, the same with Eslinger learning under Flanagan, Putting out most consistent lineman to anchor the interior (reasoning with Pitts at RG b/c of his size) and us finally drafting a LT (Joe Thomas) with next years first, while Wand gets a chance to prove himself.
Interesting concept. I've wondered about switching the guards, too, but mainly because I have questioned how well Pitts would block for his replacement. I would like to think that they are all professionals and look at it strictly from a business standpoint, but I know the reality is that emotions do become involved and while Pitts was a very strong LG, some of the posters have noted that one of the reasons he looked better is he received more assistance from the guard than Wand did.

Will we be able to pick up Eslinger? I always saw him as a first-rounder.

College Texan
04-20-2006, 11:52 AM
Every year there is that forth rounder that seems to pan out for us. This year I think it will either be an offensive lineman or a tight end. Eslinger lasting till the fourth could be that pick for us this year.

2 CENTS
04-21-2006, 01:07 AM
Draft 1) Bush 2) Marcus McNeill, second highest rated OT and expected to be there in the 2nd round. 3) 2 picks CB Cedrick Griffin & OT Jonathan Scott
4) MLB D'Qwell Jackson to back up Sam the Man Cowart and possibly Start by end of Season. Rounds 5) no pick 6) Safety or CB 7) 2 picks OG, DT, DE.

AHHHH> The perfect Draft!!!!

Texans OL = LT McNeill with Wand his backup, LG Pitts, C Flanagan
RG McKinny, RT Wiegert with Scott his backup (Weary Hodgden
and Wade backups) Could put Wade on the Trading Block

I wish we could Pick Vince Young # 1 but Carr fits Coach Kubiak's System. So BUSH has to be the Pick. If they Pick anyone else at 1 say a DL or OT and they don't work out The TEXANS and the FANS might as well throw in the Towel because there won't be a TEAM in Houston after a couple of BAD SEASONS especially since we didn't Draft Young.

dhaNim
04-26-2006, 10:56 PM
it was reported on HPF yesterday but i dont know if anyone put it on here.
interesting to see how sherman's mindset comes out of these workouts. i guess we will get an indication during the draft.

per houstonprofootball.com:

Assistant head coach Mike Sherman is working former starter Seth Wand at left tackle during offseason workouts, giving him special attention after practice to improve his pass blocking and restore his confidence. Last year's starter at left tackle, Chester Pitts, has moved back to left guard, causing Steve McKinney to shift over to right guard. McKinney's flip to the right side has pushed Zach Wiegert to right tackle, effectively benching the recovering Todd Wade, at least for the time being. Free agent signee Mike Flanagan has been working as the starting center.

Texas
04-26-2006, 11:23 PM
This sounds like a bad idea to me but if he agrees with it then I guess give it a try.

Ibar_Harry
04-26-2006, 11:30 PM
There was a whole thread on this article and subject sometime ago.

Runner
04-26-2006, 11:45 PM
Here it is:

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=21229

SAMURAITEXAN
04-26-2006, 11:48 PM
There was a whole thread on this article and subject sometime ago.
Yap. A few weeks ago.