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Low Life
04-13-2006, 11:19 AM
Just Curious as to where you guys think DD fits in the scheme of things IF we get Bush?

whiskeyrbl
04-13-2006, 11:23 AM
I think his touches get cut in half but productivity and longevity get a boost.

TexanBacker93
04-13-2006, 11:27 AM
Just Curious as to where you guys think DD fits in the scheme of things IF we get Bush?

Denver essentially had 2 backs run for 1,000 yards last year in Bell and Anderson. I see the Texans using both Davis and Bush in a similar manner. Hopefully it keeps them fresh and injury free. With an improved offense the Texans should have fewer 3 and outs this year. I think they led the league with 4,509 last season. This leads to more offensive plays . Each of them could get 225 carries. I'd see Davis ending up in the 900 yard range and Bush in the 1200.

The downside for fantasy footballers is figuring out which one is going to get the carries from week to week.

Texas
04-13-2006, 12:53 PM
This will keep them fresh though. I think DD will be used more in goaline or short yardage situations and Reggie to be used on 1st/2nd down.

Grid
04-13-2006, 02:13 PM
I dont think Davis is really all that much more suited for goalline situations. Both of them are threats catching the ball though, so it could be a tossup.

Either way.. yah, they will be splitting carries. We are gonna have a scary offense next year.

cyanides
04-13-2006, 04:31 PM
In college Bush averaged about 15 touches a game. (I think) I've heard "experts" saying he SHOULD get about the same as a pro. I can see him lined up in the slot or as a motion man with DD on the field also. I can also see him on 1st and 2nd down, but not every one. All and all I don't think DD carries are going to suffer that much. Especially if spliiting time resulted in him being healthy enough to play more games. I would be shocked if they ended up with about the same amount of carries.

infantrycak
04-13-2006, 04:39 PM
In college Bush averaged about 15 touches a game. (I think)

He had 15.5 carries per game (more than Lendale White by the way) plus 3 receptions per game--18.5 touches per game.

mexican_texan
04-13-2006, 05:11 PM
Just Curious as to where you guys think DD fits in the scheme of things IF we get Bush?
It's no longer an IF here, so that will make the trade all the sweeter.

DD will still be the starter, unless any other RB, maybe 34, play very well.

Texan in Japan
04-13-2006, 06:19 PM
It's no longer an IF here, so that will make the trade all the sweeter.

DD will still be the starter, unless any other RB, maybe 34, play very well.

You really think DD will still start? I don't think so. Bush will be the starter and depending on the play will be either in the backfield, slot or split wide. We'll probably see formations where both RB and DD will be in the backfield.

Overall, RB's and DD's dual production will make us a much stronger and more exciting team.

Texas_Thrill
04-13-2006, 07:08 PM
I agree w/ Japan. No way we can put 60 million on the bench.

I'm still confused as to the point of a 80 million dollar backfield. One or the OTHER but please not both.

This is turning into another charlie meltdown.

aj.
04-13-2006, 07:25 PM
Just Curious as to where you guys think DD fits in the scheme of things IF we get Bush?

I think he will share carries with Bush for one season and then will be cut in late Feb '07 because of a cap number somewhere around 4.6.

TexansTrueFan
04-13-2006, 07:31 PM
well we just signed dd to a pretty new contract and we have nothing we owe bush, so the most logical would be to keep D.D and not get bush, thats if ur worried about how much we have invested in our back field.

mexican_texan
04-13-2006, 07:47 PM
You really think DD will still start? I don't think so. Bush will be the starter and depending on the play will be either in the backfield, slot or split wide. We'll probably see formations where both RB and DD will be in the backfield.

Overall, RB's and DD's dual production will make us a much stronger and more exciting team.
One has to let Reggie learn about the nuances of running in the NFL. He does have an advantage over DD because Reggie has been in the zone-blocking scheme. Still, Kubes has to let DD increase his trade value IF Bush is drafted. IF we draft him.

BuffSoldier
04-13-2006, 07:52 PM
It's no longer an IF here, so that will make the trade all the sweeter.

DD will still be the starter, unless any other RB, maybe 34, play very well.
I agree with you. I see it in a way that DD is our starting RB and Bush would be our starting athlete. Its like, we can have both of them in the backfield, DD in the backfield and Reggie in the slot, or Reggie in the backfield and DD on the bench, DD in the backfield and Reggie on the bench. I also think that Reggie will contribute on punt return, so that will be about 4 or 5 of his touches a game.

Keldar
04-13-2006, 10:59 PM
Bush will be the starter and depending on the play will be either in the backfield, slot or split wide. We'll probably see formations where both RB and DD will be in the backfield.

I could see them both starting a majority of the time. Who knows, it may be the Fullback who ends up losing the most playing time.

mexican_texan
04-13-2006, 11:00 PM
I could see them both starting a majority of the time. Who knows, it may be the Fullback who ends up losing the most playing time.
Okay, DD, you're starter A
Reggie, you're starter 1

TexanFan881
04-13-2006, 11:01 PM
I see Davis and Bush splitting carries early in the season until Bush pulls away from Davis and takes the starting job. Bush will be in on 1st and 2nd down, while Davis will be in during 3rd.

Please_Evolve
04-13-2006, 11:35 PM
I agree with you. I see it in a way that DD is our starting RB and Bush would be our starting athlete. Its like, we can have both of them in the backfield, DD in the backfield and Reggie in the slot, or Reggie in the backfield and DD on the bench, DD in the backfield and Reggie on the bench. I also think that Reggie will contribute on punt return, so that will be about 4 or 5 of his touches a game.

Reggie will not return punts for us next year. Period. He really didn't amaze as a punt returner at USC. What makes you believe he'll be an astounding one in the NFL?

To the OP....It doesn't make sense now but we really didn't expect at the begining of last year to be in the position to have the #1 pick. That's why we signed DD to the deal we have. At the end of next year one of two things will happen. Either DD restructures his deal...which i think would be in his best interest...we really should have an explosive offense next year and progress well. I think He'll want to finish what he started with the texans. That is the most plausable one IMO but other then that Cut or traded.

I really don't understand the fuss about having a two deep backfield. The money tied up in it WILL be addressed next year. I also think a year or two i nthe league and he will become the coveted everydown back that people crave. Until then I think him and the team BENEFITS from running multiple backs.

mexican_texan
04-13-2006, 11:55 PM
He really didn't amaze as a punt returner at USC.

yes he did

Buchanon will be the punt returner.

tulexan
04-14-2006, 12:45 AM
Does it matter who is the starter if they are getting around the same amount of carries? Bush will be on the field for the majority of the plays, whether he is lined up as a receiver or a back he will be there.

Bobo
04-14-2006, 12:53 AM
Denver essentially had 2 backs run for 1,000 yards last year in Bell and Anderson. I see the Texans using both Davis and Bush in a similar manner. Hopefully it keeps them fresh and injury free. With an improved offense the Texans should have fewer 3 and outs this year. I think they led the league with 4,509 last season. This leads to more offensive plays . Each of them could get 225 carries. I'd see Davis ending up in the 900 yard range and Bush in the 1200.

The downside for fantasy footballers is figuring out which one is going to get the carries from week to week.

Denver had an offensive line that could make just about anybody a 1,000 yard rusher. That's why they have cut loose RB after RB and continue to grab folks like Ron Dayne and turn them into stars. And that's why the Texans have gotten everything backwards. They are putting the cart before the horse and wasting a #1 pick on a RB when they need to set the table for any guy named Joe by putting together a strong OL.

phan1
04-14-2006, 12:56 AM
I still expect DD to be a big contributor to this offense. I'm actually more worried about Morency, who certainly has talent and could potentially be a starter for another franchise. It's great that we have him, but I have to wonder the value of having a guy like that on you're team. He's going to get a real nice paycheck for a 3rd string runningback, and you could easily trade him for a good linebacker or something. But I guess it's better than having Bennie Juppro on our team. (I think I mispelled his name, but that wouldn't happen if he was on the field a little bit.)

What do you guys think about Morency's situation?

mexican_texan
04-14-2006, 01:00 AM
I still expect DD to be a big contributor to this offense. I'm actually more worried about Morency, who certainly has talent and could potentially be a starter for another franchise. It's great that we have him, but I have to wonder the value of having a guy like that on you're team. He's going to get a real nice paycheck for a 3rd string runningback, and you could easily trade him for a good linebacker or something. But I guess it's better than having Bennie Juppro on our team. (I think I mispelled his name, but that wouldn't happen if he was on the field a little bit.)

What do you guys think about Morency's situation?
Morency will probably end up replacing DD.

Texas_Thrill
04-16-2006, 03:00 AM
Morency would be cheaper to keep. Give Bush more touches....but that's NOT going to happen b/c unloading DD i hear is a itch.

B.Diddy
04-16-2006, 03:55 PM
I think next year we will go with the running back by committee system with bush sometime lineing up at reciever i also see alot of trick plays and reverses being used with two speedy players like mathis and bush on the team it worked for Pittsberg

MorKnolle
04-16-2006, 04:42 PM
I think next year we will go with the running back by committee system with bush sometime lineing up at reciever i also see alot of trick plays and reverses being used with two speedy players like mathis and bush on the team it worked for Pittsberg

Sounds like an interesting idea but it doesn't really coincide with how Denver's offense is run.

HJam72
04-16-2006, 04:56 PM
I've got a feeling that DD is going to bring quite a bit in trade value after this coming year.

Frank_The_Tank
04-16-2006, 05:44 PM
I am a Davis Fan, I do not think we will take Reggie Bush. We don't need him. When the time comes to pick, I think we will find the trade we want and ship Bush to a team that is willing to take the risk. In the NFL, scratch that in a business, if you have a productive guy, a proven Running Back, you do not trade him for a guy with as many questions as Bush has, or trade him for a guy who no one knows if he will produce. Will Bush be big enough? (In comparison to the majority of NFL running backs he is very small) Can he run betwen the tackles?? (He never did in college so it makes it hard to tell) Will he get hurt??? (Almost every back his size has had major injuries within the first three years) These are the thoughts that make me think he is not worth it. Davis and Morency are more than enough to work in the Kubiak system, you dont have to have a super back to work in this system. I am guessing that Bush will want 26 to 30 mil up front and 55 to 65 over 5 years. I dont think you want that kind of money towards the cap on a position like RB where we have the talent. I think that we should focus on OL, LB, CB, S, or QB. These are positions that we need help in.

HJam72
04-16-2006, 05:48 PM
I think that we should focus on OL, LB, CB, S, or QB. These are positions that we need help in.

How do you explain spending a #1 overall on any of those positions besides QB? As far as QB goes, we just gave Carr the 3 year extension, so what do we do?

MasterC25
04-16-2006, 06:48 PM
I am a Davis Fan, I do not think we will take Reggie Bush. We don't need him. When the time comes to pick, I think we will find the trade we want and ship Bush to a team that is willing to take the risk. In the NFL, scratch that in a business, if you have a productive guy, a proven Running Back, you do not trade him for a guy with as many questions as Bush has, or trade him for a guy who no one knows if he will produce. Will Bush be big enough? (In comparison to the majority of NFL running backs he is very small) Can he run betwen the tackles?? (He never did in college so it makes it hard to tell) Will he get hurt??? (Almost every back his size has had major injuries within the first three years) These are the thoughts that make me think he is not worth it. Davis and Morency are more than enough to work in the Kubiak system, you dont have to have a super back to work in this system. I am guessing that Bush will want 26 to 30 mil up front and 55 to 65 over 5 years. I dont think you want that kind of money towards the cap on a position like RB where we have the talent. I think that we should focus on OL, LB, CB, S, or QB. These are positions that we need help in.


Like I said before if you don't like Bush then just say it but don't waste our time by writing a bunch of B.S on the guy. He has questions? Whatr about DD leads you to believe he is or will be a dominated back in this league. I know Bush is not but if your telling me DD has more upside then Bush then your a idiot that just has something against Reggie Bush. Can he run between the tackles? What games have you been watching go ask Charlie Weis if Bush can run between the tackles. Getting Hurt? Are you *******ing kidding me are there not big backs that get hurt look at Jamal Lewis, Duece, Amrad Green, Stephen Davis, Lamont Jordan, Corey Dillon etc, and that is just last year. Go ask our own Earl Campbell if big backs don't get hurt. Bush has displayed talents in CF thats hasn't been seen in over 20 years I think that warrants taking a risk of investment in him. One last thing if you have a problem with the Texans picking Bush(which is what will happen) then go support another team. Cause come September the Texans will have a new RB lined up in the backfield and in the back of the jersey the name will read BUSH

Frank_The_Tank
04-16-2006, 09:28 PM
MasterC25, first of please refrain from making personal attacks at me, I have already said I am a Domanick Davis Fan, and I am going to suport the guy. I can make my own assesment of Bush, and I can post my opinion without having to be called a idiot. I have not said I hate Bush, I do not even know the guy, It is just my personal opinion that Domanick is Better suited for this team then Bush. Bush has proven nothing in my opinion except that he is really good against very weak Defences, the only top 30 Defense he faced this past year, Texas, held him to 85 yards rushing, and they ate his lunch on kick-off returns. That is my opinion of the guy, and from the media clips on NFL network Warren Sapp and Michael Strahan both agreed that Bush is going to be a dime a dozen guy in the NFL who will strugle because he always runs outside and he lacks the size to run between the tackles. Hey hate on those guys, they said it, both ProBowl Defesive players, keep your ugly comments to yourself if you post a reply aimed towards me.

Porky
04-16-2006, 10:13 PM
Denver had an offensive line that could make just about anybody a 1,000 yard rusher. That's why they have cut loose RB after RB and continue to grab folks like Ron Dayne and turn them into stars. And that's why the Texans have gotten everything backwards. They are putting the cart before the horse and wasting a #1 pick on a RB when they need to set the table for any guy named Joe by putting together a strong OL.

How high in the draft was Denver's starting LT taken? Do a little research, and come back and let me know. I think most of us would like to be enlightened on how such a great offensive line was built. :stirpot:

TreWardTxn
04-17-2006, 01:33 AM
For those who didn't know...

George Foster (the current starting RT for Den) was the highest O-line draft choice during the Shanahan reign, selected 20th in 2003. Despite that, he (arguably) isn't even the most celebrated tackle on the team, that goes to Matt Lepsis, an undrafted free agent...

CaptainPatriot
04-17-2006, 08:34 PM
Just Curious as to where you guys think DD fits in the scheme of things IF we get Bush?

I think Bush if drafted ;-) will be used in many different ways. Think he will be in the slot alot. They both can be on field at the same time.Even as a wide out at times. The O has alot of potiental. Even with a questionable O line. They can use a short passing game for starters. Just hope DD can stay healthy.

El Amigo Invisible
04-17-2006, 08:36 PM
I hope Carr can stay healhty. This has been a major concern of mine.

mexican_texan
04-17-2006, 11:54 PM
I hope Carr can stay healhty. This has been a major concern of mine.
I'm pretty sure he was hurt at least twice in the season, but only the SF injury was enough to take him out of the game. Join me in bashing Carr, but you have to agree that Carr is one tough SOB.

El Amigo Invisible
04-18-2006, 12:18 AM
He is very tough. I do not want top bash him but I think he would be awesome playing for a team with average O-line.I think that being on his back has given him a complex.He only sees one reciever. I just dont want to pass on you know who.

JAXwithanX
04-18-2006, 12:36 AM
If we do indeed draft Bush, DD is not going to start after more than a couple of games if that much. And yes if Bush is as good as advertised he shouldn't need a veteran RB showing him the ropes, so i will be very disappointed if we don't find a way to trade Davis before he rots on the bench for a year. And no, he won't be used in situations because he isn't a heavy short yardage runner to begin with. So basically he will just be involved to give Bush a rest or when we are putting them both out there for 3rd and longs. Thats of course if Bush is as great and ready as he has been built up to be....which i think he is. Of course whether he is a substantial enough upgrade over Davis to warrant the #1....well....i still have mixed feelings on that.

Actually i want to rephrase that....Bush is worth our Number 1 overall....but i really wish (and think the Texans do also) that a killer trade down proposal comes our way. With the right one...i think we could become an even better team overall than upgrading a spot that is already a plus on our team.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
04-18-2006, 04:23 PM
I do not think Bush is coming here. There is only room enough for 1 BUSH family in Texas!!! GW Bush

CoastalTexan
04-18-2006, 04:33 PM
If we dont draft bush we still need another RB (isn't wells gone?).Maybe in the 4th round or something.

PokerStar
04-18-2006, 07:32 PM
CoastalTexan I was thinking the same thing, I like a sixth round guy like Gerald Riggs if he lasts or maybe Vickers could be converted similar to Mike Anderson. Perhaps the kid from Vtech.

U4ikrob
04-19-2006, 10:03 AM
If we dont draft bush we still need another RB (isn't wells gone?).Maybe in the 4th round or something.

We have Morency and DD - We dont need another RB on the bench. Bush would be a great addition for sure - but ive said all along im in the Trade down camp - I think we would be great with D'Brick. Hawk or Mario Williams + a pick then just Bush as we have a 1000 yard rusher in Dom right now on the team under contract with Morency as his third down relief. Bush is definately an upgrade for sure, but Williams, Hawk or D'brick+ a pick is the best deal on the board IMO and if we could swing it I would in a minute - As the saying goes - defense wins championships. IMO scoring is something our Offense definately needs to a better job of, but honestly our inability to stop anyone from scoring will be a bigger hurdle to jump. I think our defense will improve a bit, but we havent added the "impact" player on the defense yet like we haev on Offense and I think until we do we will have a mediocre defense at best.