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Texans34Life
04-12-2006, 01:31 PM
It's a 4 Round draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2405172

Here are the Texans picks:


1. Reggie Bush, RB USC
33. Eric Winston, T Miami
65. Ko Simpson, DB South Carolina
66. Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech
98. James Wyche, DE Syracuse

If you got Insider, take a look at the link!

kastofsna
04-12-2006, 01:53 PM
can you give the dolphins' 3 picks? thanks.

TexanFan881
04-12-2006, 01:58 PM
1. Reggie Bush, RB USC
33. Eric Winston, T Miami
65. Ko Simpson, DB South Carolina
66. Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech
98. James Wyche, DE Syracuse

:drool:

That would be the best draft ever. Winston at 33 and even better Simpson at 65 :shocked

Texans34Life
04-12-2006, 02:17 PM
can you give the dolphins' 3 picks? thanks.

Here you go.


16. Donte Whitner, S Ohio St.
82. Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
114. Zach Strief, T Northwestern

PokerStar
04-12-2006, 02:31 PM
Man that is a pretty decent draft, but would like to switch up some picks. The first two are solid and if it fell that way then freakin sweet. In the third going after Ko Simpson would not be overly good. I know it is taken with a grain of salt but a certain friend of mine who happens to maybe be around the scouting guys in the organization says Ko Simpson has a 4th round grade from us. Now I dont know if that is completely true, but he says that is the way it goes, but since he had to work till about 9:30 the night he told me he might be off. Hopefully a guy like Bullocks falls there or we wait and take a guy like Antoine Bethea later on. Bethea is a small school guy similar to Donte Whitner. Fast likes to hit and can play some corner. Rather grab a higher rated guard or Wideout and then take Terna Nande or Leon Williams in the fourth. Both of those guys are athletic strong and can play inside or outside LB. Nande is a bit small, but he makes up for it with tenacity watch his games and he will remind you of a black Zach Thomas. Leon Williams is athletic and plays alot like Andra Davis LB for Cleveland. Change up just those picks and I am a happy camper.

Porky
04-12-2006, 02:46 PM
I like this draft alot overall. I am not as high on Ko Simpson as some people, but he would instantly be the best safety we have imo. I don't care much for the 4th rounder. I think that's about a round too high for this guy, and besides, we don't need a DE badly at all at this point. I would rather see a CB there, maybe a Tim Jennings, or Marcus Maxey. Both of those guys would be excellent nickel corners, who could eventually start if they developed, although Jennings is a midget so he may never be more than a super fast nickel. In any case, if it went down exactly like this, you won't see me complaining. :redtowel:

Maddict5
04-12-2006, 02:49 PM
http://www.maddennation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53591With the

NFL draft two weeks away, the one hot spot in the first round remains with the New Orleans Saints and second overall pick. While I still have North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams going to New Orleans, the outlook of the first round could change significantly if the Saints trade the pick.
My first-round projections remain nearly the same, with the one newcomer being NC State defensive end Manny Lawson. Overshadowed by Williams at NC State, Lawson had a very good senior season then performed exceptionally well at the NFL scouting combine. Right now I am projecting the Jets will use their second first-round pick on Lawson, where he will be used as a pass-rushing defensive end/outside linebacker.
New this week are my projections for the second, third and fourth rounds. You will be surprised to see some players initially projected as first-round picks have slipped to the second round in recent weeks.
1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round
First-Round Projections
1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB USC
2. New Orleans Mario Williams, DE NC State
3. Tennessee Matt Leinart, QB USC
4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia
5. Green Bay A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St.
6. San Francisco Vernon Davis, TE Maryland
7. Oakland Vince Young, QB Texas
8. Buffalo Brodrick Bunkley, DT Florida St.
9. Detroit Michael Huff, DB Texas
10. Arizona Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt
11. St. Louis Chad Greenway, LB Iowa
12. Cleveland Kamerion Wimbley, DE/OLB Florida St.
13. Baltimore Haloti Ngata, DT Oregon
14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T USC
15. Denver (from ATL) Chad Jackson, WR Florida
16. Miami Donte Whitner, S Ohio St.
17. Minnesota Ernie Sims, LB Florida St.
18. Dallas Jason Allen, S/CB Tennessee
19. San Diego Johnathan Joseph, CB South Carolina
20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson
21. New England Santonio Holmes, WR Ohio St.
22. Denver (from WSH) DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis
23. Tampa Bay Antonio Cromartie, CB Florida St.
24. Cincinnati Jimmy Williams, CB Virginia Tech
25. N.Y. Giants Kelly Jennings, CB Miami
26. Chicago Richard Marshall CB Fresno St.
27. Carolina LenDale White, RB USC
28. Jacksonville Marcedes Lewis, TE UCLA
29. N.Y. Jets (from DEN) Manny Lawson, DE/OLB NC State
30. Indianapolis Laurence Maroney, RB Minnesota
31. Seattle Ashton Youboty, CB Ohio St.
32. Pittsburgh Sinorice Moss, WR Miami

1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round
Second-Round Projections
33. Houston Eric Winston, T Miami
34. New Orleans Nick Mangold, C Ohio St.
35. N.Y. Jets Joseph Addai, RB LSU
36. Green Bay Tamba Hali, DE Penn St.
37. San Francisco Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St.
38. Oakland Gabe Watson, DT Michigan
39. Tennessee D'Qwell Jackson, LB Maryland
40. Detroit Davin Joseph, G Oklahoma
41. Arizona Leonard Pope, TE Georgia
42. Buffalo Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G USC
43. Cleveland Abdul Hodge, LB Iowa
44. Baltimore Brodie Croyle, QB Alabama
45. Philadelphia DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama
46. St. Louis Orien Harris, DT Miami
47. Atlanta Cedric Griffin, CB Texas
48. Minnesota Kellen Clemens, QB Oregon
49. Dallas Marcus McNeill, T Auburn
50. San Diego Demetrius Williams, WR Oregon
51. Minnesota (from MIA) Chris Chester, OL Oklahoma
52. New England Brian Calhoun, RB Wisconsin
53. Washington Rocky McIntosh, LB Miami
54. Kansas City Darryl Tapp, DE Virginia Tech
55. Cincinnati Dominique Byrd, TE USC
56. N.Y. Giants Thomas Howard, LB UTEP
57. Chicago Greg Jennings, WR Western Michigan
58. Carolina Joe Klopfenstein, TE Colorado
59. Tampa Bay Andrew Whitworth, T LSU
60. Jacksonville Jason Spitz, C Louisville
61. Denver Mark Anderson, DE Alabama
62. Indianapolis Daniel Bullocks, DB Nebraska
63. Seattle Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College
64. Pittsburgh Danieal Manning, DB Abilene Christian

1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round
Third-Round Projections
65. Houston Ko Simpson, DB South Carolina
66. Houston (from NO) Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech
67. Green Bay Max Jean-Gilles, G Georgia
68. San Francisco David Pittman, CB Northwestern St. (La.)
69. Oakland Maurice Drew, RB UCLA
70. Buffalo (from TEN) Ryan O'Callaghan, T California
71. N.Y. Jets Brandon Williams, WR Wisconsin
72. Arizona Jon Alston, LB Stanford
73. Buffalo Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame
74. Detroit Devin Hester, CB Miami
75. New England (from BAL) Chris Gocong, DE/LB Cal Poly-SLO
76. Philadelphia Claude Wroten, DT LSU
77. St. Louis David Thomas, TE Texas
78. Cleveland Charles Spencer, G Pittsburgh
79. Atlanta Calvin Lowery, DB Penn St.
80. Dallas Charlie Whitehurst, QB Clemson
81. San Diego Paul McQuistan, OL Weber St.
82. Miami Parys Haralson, DE Tennessee
83. Minnesota Will Blackmon, WR/CB Boston College
84. San Francisco (from WSH) Victor Adeyanju, DE Indiana
85. Kansas City Brandon Marshall, WR Central Florida
86. New England Montavious Stanley, DT Louisville
87. N.Y. Giants Kyle Williams, DT LSU
88. Chicago Anthony Fasano, TE Notre Dame
89. Carolina Darnell Bing, DB USC
90. Tampa Bay Willie Reid, WR Fresno St.
91. Cincinnati Stanley McClover, DE Auburn
92. Jacksonville Jerome Harrison, RB Washington St.
93. Atlanta (from DEN) Devin Aromashodu, WR Auburn
94. Indianapolis Dusty Dvoracek, DT Oklahoma
95. Minnesota (from SEA) Le Kevin Smith, DT Nebraska
96. Pittsburgh Brent Hawkins, DE/OLB Illinois St.

97. N.Y. Jets (comp. pick) Roman Harper, DB Alabama

1st Round | 2nd Round | 3rd Round | 4th Round
Fourth-Round Projections
98. Houston James Wyche, DE Syracuse
99. New Orleans Demetrice Webb, CB Florida
100. San Francisco Lawrence Vickers, FB Colorado
101. Oakland Anthony Smith, DB Syracuse
102. Tennessee Leon Washington, RB Florida St.
103. N.Y. Jets Alan Zemaitis, CB Penn St.
104. Green Bay Derrick Martin, CB Wyoming
105. Buffalo Elvis Dumervil, DE Louisville
106. New England (from DET) Guy Whimper, T East Carolina
107. Arizona Fred Matua, G USC
108. Philadelphia David Kirtman, FB USC
109. St. Louis Kevin Boothe, OL Cornell
110. Cleveland DeMario Minter, CB Georgia
111. Baltimore Dion Byrum, CB Ohio
112. Cleveland (from ATL) Rodrique Wright, DT Texas
113. San Diego Babatunde Oshinowo, DT Stanford
114. Miami Zach Strief, T Northwestern
115. Minnesota Miles Austin, WR Monmouth
116. Philadelphia (from DAL) Tarvaris Jackson, QB Alabama St.
117. N.Y. Jets (from KC) Greg Eslinger, C Minnesota
118. New England Derek Hagan, WR Arizona St.
119. Denver (from WSH) Owen Daniels, TE Wisconsin
120. Chicago Freddie Keiaho, LB San Diego St.
121. Carolina Jonathan Scott, T Texas
122. Tampa Bay Brandon Johnson, LB Louisville
123. Cincinnati John McCargo, DT NC State
124. N.Y. Giants Jeremy Trueblood, T Boston College
125. Jacksonville James Anderson, LB Virginia Tech
126. Denver Bernard Pollard, DB Purdue
127. Philadelphia (from IND) Hank Baskett, WR New Mexico
128. Seattle John Torp, P Colorado
129. Pittsburgh Andre Hall, RB South Florida

130. Denver (comp. pick) Jeremy Bloom, WR Colorado

131. Pittsburgh (comp. pick) Daryn Colledge, T Boise St.

132. Baltimore (comp. pick) Rob Sims, G Ohio St.

133. Pittsburgh (comp. pick) Omar Jacobs, QB Bowling Green



i like it...but would prefer either matua or zemaitis with our 4th

dwilt72
04-12-2006, 03:34 PM
I'm not sure I'm crazy about Wyche. I tried to find some info on him and this is the only thing I could find....not exactly a glowing endorsement. This is from www.nfldraftcountdown.com. (I don't have ESPN Insider, maybe someone else can post what they say about him).

Strengths:
Has good size with long arms and the frame to add weight...Pretty good natural athlete who changes direction well and has a burst...Does a nice job rushing off the edge...Uses his hands well...Has good range & moves well in the open field.

Weaknesses:
Does not have great speed or quickness...Inconsistent and his motor and intensity are spotty...Needs to get stronger in both his upper and lower body...Is a liability versus the run...Production dropped as a senior in '05...Underachiever.

Notes:
Was never able to have the big season everyone was waiting for...Has some tools to work with and has not yet reached his full potential...Developmental prospect who could flourish if he can bulk up and learn to play hard every down.

Texans34Life
04-12-2006, 03:50 PM
http://www.maddennation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53591With the



i like it...but would prefer either matua or zemaitis with our 4th

Hey Maddict5,

I would of posted the whole thing, but the mods have told me about copyright issues if I posted the whole things. That's why I only posted the Texans picks.

Just a heads up before the mods drop a PM.... :)

awtysst
04-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Here is what I would prefer to see:
1. Bush RB
2. Winston OL
3a. Ko Simpson DB
3b. David Pittman CB
4. Elvis Dumervil DE

Maddict5
04-12-2006, 05:40 PM
Hey Maddict5,

I would of posted the whole thing, but the mods have told me about copyright issues if I posted the whole things. That's why I only posted the Texans picks.

Just a heads up before the mods drop a PM.... :)

i think because i posted a link to another forum(where i got it from) and not directly to espn insider its ok...i mean i just basically copied somebody else's post

AJExplosion80
04-12-2006, 07:01 PM
I like the ESPN mock especially getting Bush and Eric Winston from Miami in round 2. Earlier in the year he was considered a 1st round selection. I know he has slipped but it would still be nice to bring him in and let him play either RT or LT. What do you guys think

kastofsna
04-12-2006, 07:09 PM
he's a RT. he doesn't have the wingspan to be a LT. great athletically, but has been very inconsistent at miami. injury concerns, too (which i'm sure has a lot to do with his inconsistency). i for one think he should've stayed at tight end.

Mike Kerns
04-12-2006, 07:13 PM
I would be fine with WInston or McNeil.

YoungTexanFan
04-12-2006, 07:24 PM
1. Reggie Bush, RB USC
33. Eric Winston, T Miami
65. Ko Simpson, DB South Carolina
66. Gerris Wilkinson, LB Georgia Tech
98. James Wyche, DE Syracuse


Holy Crapola!!! This is the absolute sweetest draft we could dream up. We get Eric Winston who is going to be fully recovered from his injury and should slide into RT. Ko Simpson at 65 is the steal of the draft and Wilkerson would probally be the best LB on our team.

threetoedpete
04-12-2006, 08:18 PM
he's a RT. he doesn't have the wingspan to be a LT. great athletically, but has been very inconsistent at miami. injury concerns, too (which i'm sure has a lot to do with his inconsistency). i for one think he should've stayed at tight end.
That's what I thought about Winston. What I saw in the senior bowl pratices was a guy still protecting a knee. Every say he's a 100% . But it fits our tendincy to roll snake eyes in the second. Lots of great players @ 33 under this scenario. Rather have one of the dancing bear gaurds myself. Pick'em.

kastofsna
04-12-2006, 08:28 PM
Here you go.
thanks. can't say i like any of those picks...they don't fit saban/capers/mularkey's system.

Seņor Stan
04-12-2006, 08:35 PM
Without cherry picking, I would have chosen

1 Bush
33 D'Qwell Jackson
65 Colledge
66 Ko Simpson
103 Zemaitis

TexanFan881
04-12-2006, 08:36 PM
Without cherry picking, I would have chosen

1 Bush
33 D'Qwell Jackson
65 Colledge
66 Ko Simpson
103 Zemaitis

I like that one too because I think we can get a quality OLineman in the later rounds too and there is more depth and talent at OL than LB.

cap1
04-12-2006, 08:45 PM
Without cherry picking, I would have chosen

1 Bush
33 D'Qwell Jackson
65 Colledge
66 Ko Simpson
103 Zemaitis

At 33 I would rather pick up D'Marco Ryans from Alabama or even Abdul Hodge, LB Iowa.

TexanFan881
04-12-2006, 08:53 PM
At 33 I would rather pick up D'Marco Ryans from Alabama or even Abdul Hodge, LB Iowa.
Hodge might be available in the 3rd and Ryans might be gone in the first.

MorKnolle
04-12-2006, 09:38 PM
I actually really like his first 10 picks, a rarity for me to like Kiper's picks. There are a lot of picks in the 1st round that I don't see going quite this way, but all of them are at least pretty reasonable, the 2nd round starts to get a little carried away with a lot of the picks and I don't like the Wyche pick at #98 (if we are going to go DE, why not get Dumervil or maybe Adeyanju who are both still on the board). Going from who he has available at each of our picks, these are the guys I'd take for us:

#1 Reggie Bush (I'd still prefer Mario but I'll leave this at Bush)
#33 Nick Mangold (I really like Eric Winston, but there are a few questions about him and with Colledge available at #98 in this mock I'll take him there and Mangold here)
#65 Ko Simpson
#66 Maurice Stovall/Brandon Marshall (I personally like Marshall as much as Stovall and I think he will end up falling to the 4th round and we could get him there)
#98 Daryn Colledge (if we don't go Winston at #33), otherwise Dumervil or Demetrice Webb

Grid
04-13-2006, 12:24 AM
Pretty good draft.

Im not REAL high on Ko Simpson in the 3rd.. but that may be too good a deal to pass up. I just dont want a FS that scored a 10 on his wonderlic. Still..he would be an immediate improvement in our secondary i think.

Im also in agreement that James Wyche is a STRETCH at that pick. After a full day off to consider who is left on the board, we take Wyche? I hope we arent that dumb.

here is who i would have rather taken.

DeMario Minter (may have questionable attitude, but at least he has the physical tools)

Rodrique Wright(maybe not a need, but still worth grabbing. Maybe it would placate the rabid Vince Young supporters here in Houston)

Greg Eslinger (perfect center for the Kubiak style Oline)

Daryn Colledge (perfect tackle for the Kubiak style Oline)

Grid
04-13-2006, 12:48 AM
ACTUALLY... The guy we need to take in the 4th who isnt even listed in Kipers draft..is Ray Edwards. I think he is twice the prospect that Wyche is.

We dont have a 5th rounder, so I think we should definatly be taking Edwards in the 4th.

Porky
04-13-2006, 09:08 AM
I actually really like his first 10 picks, a rarity for me to like Kiper's picks. There are a lot of picks in the 1st round that I don't see going quite this way, but all of them are at least pretty reasonable, the 2nd round starts to get a little carried away with a lot of the picks and I don't like the Wyche pick at #98 (if we are going to go DE, why not get Dumervil or maybe Adeyanju who are both still on the board). Going from who he has available at each of our picks, these are the guys I'd take for us:

#1 Reggie Bush (I'd still prefer Mario but I'll leave this at Bush)
#33 Nick Mangold (I really like Eric Winston, but there are a few questions about him and with Colledge available at #98 in this mock I'll take him there and Mangold here)
#65 Ko Simpson
#66 Maurice Stovall/Brandon Marshall (I personally like Marshall as much as Stovall and I think he will end up falling to the 4th round and we could get him there)
#98 Daryn Colledge (if we don't go Winston at #33), otherwise Dumervil or Demetrice Webb


Why are we taking a WR in the 3rd round? We have drafted two already (ok not technically, but a 5th for Moulds, and a 7th for Walter). Doesn't that kind of cover us? I like your draft, but I would take another defensive guy at #66, either a LB or CB. I'm not all that high on Ko Simpson either, but again, not bad. And Colledge at #98 is an absouloute steal.

TheOgre
04-13-2006, 09:12 AM
I'd like to see an OT with our 2nd and the BPA out of CB, FS, LB, DE, or TE with our two 3rd's and our 4th.

beerlover
04-13-2006, 10:22 AM
I'd like to see an OT with our 2nd and the BPA out of CB, FS, LB, DE, or TE with our two 3rd's and our 4th.

Kippers Mock is whack, but I like your position acquisitions list. It seems everyone has their favorite prospects @ each position. I won't bring up the 1st pick but I'm leaning towards trading down more than ever, I would enjoy having two #1's next year, that being said in the 2nd round I like offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth http://www.draftshowcase.com/AndrewWhitworth.jpg if Richard Marshall drops to the 2nd rd. however I would be tempted to grab my CB here http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/11/20/PH2005112001193.jpgpick #65 Ko Simpson should be taken long before the Texans pick again so another FS I really like that nobody seems to talk about is Pat Watkins from Florida State he would be a natural replacement for Marcus Coleman, similar size @ 6046. pick #66 you still have two killer guards available Max Jean Gilles & Charles Spencer, the top LB's, CB's, FS's & DE's are gone so this could be a possiblity, or TE. Kipper has Notre Dame TE Anthony Fasano available & the Texans will need to upgrade Brunner with a competent blocking TE, as a bonus Fasano has good hands and can help Carr underneath as outlet or stretch the field http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041016/041016_notredame_hmed.hmedium.jpg.

I would like to see the Texans use the 4th round pick along with trading down from #1 to secure more second round picks, but if they keep pick #98 they would go bpa, is Wyche that guy? probably not but not a bad pick, he does have both Rodrique Wright & Jonathan Scott still around, would not mind seeing either one in a Texans uniform :)

kingh99
04-13-2006, 10:29 AM
someone's doing their homework. put this in a time capsule and compare to the actual. I'm not saying these players but the positions and point at which they take 2 offense and then go 100% defense is exactly what I see happening.

wags
04-13-2006, 02:33 PM
I'm not all that high on Ko Simpson either, but again, not bad. And Colledge at #98 is an absouloute steal.

I'll address this to Grid as well, but why are you not a fan of Ko?

Just to be fair I'll tell you why I like him. Dude is a friggin ballhawk and he tackles extremely well for a FS. The guy is like Ed Reed in that he always seems to be around the ball in the secondary. I remember in the Georgia game this year Ko was playing with Shockley all game. He would give a guy just enough cushion to bait Shockley and then jump all over it. He should have had 3 or 4 INT's. Granted Shockley is awful, but Ko also harassed David Greene the year before.

Rosusu
04-13-2006, 02:41 PM
I may be a little bit biased but Ko Simpson can play some football. He is a great Rover and can hit hard, his wonderlic was dissapointing but when it comes to actually playing football he is very skilled. Getting him in the 3rd or late 2nd would be a steal IMHO.

Maddict5
04-13-2006, 05:32 PM
im a huge fan of Ko @ 65

MorKnolle
04-13-2006, 10:04 PM
Why are we taking a WR in the 3rd round? We have drafted two already (ok not technically, but a 5th for Moulds, and a 7th for Walter). Doesn't that kind of cover us? I like your draft, but I would take another defensive guy at #66, either a LB or CB. I'm not all that high on Ko Simpson either, but again, not bad. And Colledge at #98 is an absouloute steal.

Walter was a decent pick, but I don't plan on him being a good #2 WR at any point in the future, I think he's a career #3 guy. Moulds is a great addition but I only see him having two effective years left in him, and WRs generally take a year to two come around, so I think we need to look for Moulds' eventual replacement as our #2 WR now and give them a couple years to learn behind Moulds and AJ before we put him in the starting lineup, plus if a guy like Stovall falls to the 3rd round I'd definitely look at him, although I think Brandon Marshall is just as good of a WR and we could probably get him in the 4th round.

YoungTexanFan
04-13-2006, 10:10 PM
im a huge fan of Ko @ 65

hell, im a huge fan of Ko @33, Ko @65/66 is the steal of the draft.

TexanFan881
04-13-2006, 10:10 PM
Walter was a decent pick, but I don't plan on him being a good #2 WR at any point in the future, I think he's a career #3 guy. Moulds is a great addition but I only see him having two effective years left in him, and WRs generally take a year to two come around, so I think we need to look for Moulds' eventual replacement as our #2 WR now and give them a couple years to learn behind Moulds and AJ before we put him in the starting lineup, plus if a guy like Stovall falls to the 3rd round I'd definitely look at him, although I think Brandon Marshall is just as good of a WR and we could probably get him in the 4th round.

I'm with you on drafting a WR, I don't think Walter or Mathis is ready to step into a #2 and I though I like Mathis I don't think him or Walter are that great of WRs right now. Getting a guy like Stovall (who I am really high on) would probably immidiately become the #3 WR and take over for Moulds when he gets older.

Sutton=08Heisman
04-16-2006, 06:29 PM
thanks. can't say i like any of those picks...they don't fit saban/capers/mularkey's system.

im a pretty big Nwestern fan and i can tell u zach strief was a great player there and he could possibly be a steal for u guys. i dunno how he fits in ur system but w/e.... also i think he was voted to ABC all-americans or sumthin, u could look it up. i remeber he dominated Hali when they played penn st this year :)