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Ibar_Harry
04-11-2006, 02:13 AM
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/justicemcclain/week56/justmc1.html

This is the Justice and McClain show on the draft and the Texans and he's mentioning young Shan is having trouble with Mathis. I've worried about Shan's age with the receiver coor. I hope Moulds can come in and put Mathis in his place that's where he really could be of additional value.

Malloy
04-11-2006, 02:18 AM
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/justicemcclain/week56/justmc1.html

This is the Justice and McClain show on the draft and the Texans and he's mentioning young Shan is having trouble with Mathis. I've worried about Shan's age with the receiver coor. I hope Moulds can come in and put Mathis in his place that's where he really could be of additional value.

I'm not in a situation to listen in on any audio right now (GF is sleeping). Do they mention Shan's age as the problem, or is that just them speculating?

Ibar_Harry
04-11-2006, 02:32 AM
I'm not in a situation to listen in on any audio right now (GF is sleeping). Do they mention Shan's age as the problem, or is that just them speculating?

He's says Mathis is hard headed and knows everything. I suspect if you put JR in the same spot it would be a different reaction. Its my spec that Shan's age is a factor, but I said that from the get go when we were hiring the coaches. That was the one coaching position that worried me. I think the guy is relatively inexperienced at teaching that position. This is where a savy vetern can be a real help. That's why I want Moulds in here training with the guys. He's done it all and can really become the leader of the group. He's been to the probowl more than once and has an outsanding reputation as a receiver. He's also known for his work ethic and being a perfectionist. He's worked out a lot with JR.

Malloy
04-11-2006, 02:36 AM
He's says Mathis is hard headed and knows everything. I suspect if you put JR in the same spot it would be a different reaction. Its my spec that Shan's age is a factor, but I said that from the get go when we were hiring the coaches. That was the one coaching position that worried me. I think the guy is relatively inexperienced at teaching that position. This is where a savy vetern can be a real help. That's why I want Moulds in here training with the guys. He's done it all and can really become the leader of the group. He's been to the probowl more than once and has an outsanding reputation as a receiver. He's also known for his work ethic and being a perfectionist. He's worked out a lot with JR.

I think you're right in that Moulds will definately bring in some authority and needed experience. This might have been the plan all along, skilled but green WR-coach + experienced WR as support. Also, I'm suspecting that while Shan is officially "running the show", he might be recieving some support and mentoring from Kubiak and/or Sherman, or some other "guru" :)

ledzeppelin229
04-11-2006, 03:13 AM
I'm not in a situation to listen in on any audio right now (GF is sleeping). Do they mention Shan's age as the problem, or is that just them speculating?

I advise investing in a pair of headphones.

thunderkyss
04-11-2006, 03:34 AM
Wow, they said Kubiak want's Carr to run more.....JM said Kubiak wants Carr to take off more often, he doesn't want him to run more, but he wants him to take off like John Elway....... keep the defense guessing.

Malloy
04-11-2006, 03:51 AM
I advise investing in a pair of headphones.

I have that, but I also had a plumber asking me questions all the time and I did not want to miss any of em :)

Yeah, he's here to fix my pipes... :)

YoungTexanFan
04-11-2006, 07:54 AM
I hate those two men. I turned it off halfway through because of them. It's all about Vince Young for them, and THEN they want Vince to go to Tenn. so he can play us twice a year and create a rivalry that he can write about.

Ibar_Harry
04-11-2006, 07:59 AM
I hate those two men. I turned it off halfway through because of them. It's all about Vince Young for them, and THEN they want Vince to go to Tenn. so he can play us twice a year and create a rivalry that he can write about.

Yep, you have to be patient if you want to get to the interesting parts of that dialogue. Be patient and you will pick up some tibits....

TexansTrueFan
04-11-2006, 08:06 AM
well mathis going to the pro bowl in his first year prolly didnt help the situation any. I mean going to the pro bowl means ur good and maybe he figures he dont need any help since he was so "good" last year. I think A.J could help out J.M Just as easy as Moulds could. I mean AJ is in his 4th year, has a good head n his shoulders, so maybe the to combined can turn Our burner J.M into something more than a cocky return man.

Ibar_Harry
04-11-2006, 08:12 AM
well mathis going to the pro bowl in his first year prolly didnt help the situation any. I mean going to the pro bowl means ur good and maybe he figures he dont need any help since he was so "good" last year. I think A.J could help out J.M Just as easy as Moulds could. I mean AJ is in his 4th year, has a good head n his shoulders, so maybe the to combined can turn Our burner J.M into something more than a cocky return man.

The other side of this is how is Kubiak going to react to his coach airing this to the public. I think we all like to know about these things as fans, but some of these things are best kept inside. One thing is for certain and that is JM is not about to keep to much to himself.

TexansTrueFan
04-11-2006, 08:26 AM
The other side of this is how is Kubiak going to react to his coach airing this to the public. I think we all like to know about these things as fans, but some of these things are best kept inside. One thing is for certain and that is JM is not about to keep to much to himself.


yeah i agree, plus i think it is way to early for him to say that about J.M. haha speaking of that i'm curious to see if kubiak is one of them throw stuff scream till ur read guys, or just stand there and keep ur cool guys. But i wouldnt Give up on J.M just yet, plus as long as he can give us good consistent field position on KR, i'll be happy, cause i dont know of many good WR who are good KR too.

Wild.Bill
04-11-2006, 08:33 AM
Just another example of an athlete that thinks he's above everything around him including his teammates and coaches. Shanahan's age doesn't have anything to do with Mathis being a meat head. Kyle did a good job in Denver and was well respected 'despite' his young age because of his football IQ. These football players are making millions of dollars and there is no excuse for them to let their ego's get in the way of the team and coaches.
I say he either needs to shape up, or ship out. We don't need his crap!!!

HJam72
04-11-2006, 08:38 AM
Just another example of an athlete that thinks he's above everything around him including his teammates and coaches. Shanahan's age doesn't have anything to do with Mathis being a meat head. Kyle did a good job in Denver and was well respected 'despite' his young age because of his football IQ. These football players are making millions of dollars and there is no excuse for them to let their ego's get in the way of the team and coaches.
I say he either needs to shape up, or ship out. We don't need his crap!!!

OK, no more coffee for you for a while. :)

TexansTrueFan
04-11-2006, 08:38 AM
for about another 2 Kick off returns and an avg of 30.0 yrds per return i'll put up with his crap ell a "little" not like T.Os crap or anything though !

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 08:48 AM
Athletes like Mathis with attitudes like his are made not born. I will tell you why. I worked in a high school for a few years in the special ed dept and wittnessed how the Head football coach would shove his athletes in special ed, not b/c they were slow, but b/c it was easier and a gaurantee pass. His athletes would wonder around the hall ways out of class without passes and if you tried to correct them in anyway you got to talk to the coach and he would explain to you how important his athletes are and how he would handle the situation himself and no further action should be taken. I was even told to drop it a few times.

Had one student get in my face and yell at me telling me he didn't have to do what I ask cause he was the star at the school and he is the one that brought in enough money to build the new weight room. Even walked down the hall screaming it was his weight room. sad thing about him is he was being courted with a free ride to FSU and then blew out his knee senior season. He didnt get an education, his free ride was taken away, he played a little ball for a small school but never fully recovered from his injury. Who knows what happened to him.

At the end of one the three weeks when progress reports came out the coach sent out to every teachers box asking all the teachers who had his football players, if they were not passing to please give his players a 70 so they could continue to play and then subtract that point amount from there final 6 week grade.

Another time during the TAAS testing a teacher was asked to read the test to one of his players so he could pass and play college ball. Do you realize how many laws that breaks?

That is just some samples. Terrible how the administration allowed the coach to get away with that.

HJam72
04-11-2006, 08:51 AM
Athletes like Mathis with attitudes like his are made not born. I will tell you why. I worked in a high school for a few years in the special ed dept and wittnessed how the Head football coach would shove his athletes in special ed, not b/c they were slow, but b/c it was easier and a gaurantee pass. His athletes would wonder around the hall ways out of class without passes and if you tried to correct them in anyway you got to talk to the coach and he would explain to you how important his athletes are and how he would handle the situation himself and no further action should be taken. I was even told to drop it a few times.

Had one student get in my face and yell at me telling me he didn't have to do what I ask cause he was the star at the school and he is the one that brought in enough money to build the new weight room. Even walked down the hall screaming it was his weight room. sad thing about him is he was being courted with a free ride to FSU and then blew out his knee senior season. He didnt get an education, his free ride was taken away, he played a little ball for a small school but never fully recovered from his injury. Who knows what happened to him.

At the end of one the three weeks when progress reports came out the coach sent out to every teachers box asking all the teachers who had his football players, if they were not passing to please give his players a 70 so they could continue to play and then subtract that point amount from there final 6 week grade.

Another time during the TAAS testing a teacher was asked to read the test to one of his players so he could pass and play college ball. Do you realize how many laws that breaks?

That is just some samples. Terrible how the administration allowed the coach to get away with that.


Did you go to school with Vince?

Lucky
04-11-2006, 08:55 AM
The other side of this is how is Kubiak going to react to his coach airing this to the public. I think we all like to know about these things as fans, but some of these things are best kept inside. One thing is for certain and that is JM is not about to keep to much to himself.
You've taken McClain's comment out of context. That's not difficult to do, as McClain doesn't clarify his statements as well as a journalist should and he doesn't always speak in a linear fashion. Here is what McClain was attempting to say:

1) Mathis was stubborn and difficult to coach under the previous staff.
2) Kyle Shanahan will attempt to connect with Mathis (He's coached Mathis for less than a week).

McClain was giving his opinion of Mathis' coachability. Not Shanahan's opinion.

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 08:59 AM
Did you go to school with Vince?
No. But his attitude reminds me of coach's, teachers, and parents who let him get away with murder b/c he showed a little talent.

Runner
04-11-2006, 09:10 AM
I'm just glad our esteemed press has talked about a player on our roster. Who know what other little tidbits they may find and report.

Big B Texan Fan
04-11-2006, 09:10 AM
Maybe there's something to be said for him not having a WR Coach in college. He's been figuring it out on his own this far, made the Pro-Bowl, and probably feels like he needs no help.

Put yourself in his shoes from a regular work-force standpoint:
A. Company loves what you do and tells you so
B. Company gives you some responsibility and you excell
C. You receive national recognition and win Employee of the Year
D. Then company brings in some young hot shot
E. Young hot shot has no experience at your specific job task yet has no problem bossing you around

Let's give this time. I'm sure he'll figure it out. Especially when he realizes that 4th rd money is beans compared to what he could garner if he keeps up the good work and gets his attitude straight

The Preacher
04-11-2006, 09:13 AM
At the end of the day and you've got the cash, fame, all the speed in the world, women if you want, a pro bowl, and then realize in all these things that life's still got you down, you start to realize all these things don't mean that much. He'll learn eventually that integrity, humility, and respect will help him be a better professional if those are indeed things he is struggling with. He's really young it happens in the league all the time and most usually realize life can go on without them so they get with the program.

chuckm
04-11-2006, 09:28 AM
I just listened to it .....


here is what was said about Mathis ...

JM: "Jerome Mathis has got great speed, Kyle Shanahan is trying to coach him, Mathis is a tough nut and I don't know if he'll ever progress because he's immature and thinks he knows everything."


that's all folks ...

infantrycak
04-11-2006, 09:29 AM
You've taken McClain's comment out of context. That's not difficult to do, as McClain doesn't clarify his statements as well as a journalist should and he doesn't always speak in a linear fashion. Here is what McClain was attempting to say:

1) Mathis was stubborn and difficult to coach under the previous staff.
2) Kyle Shanahan will attempt to connect with Mathis (He's coached Mathis for less than a week).

McClain was giving his opinion of Mathis' coachability. Not Shanahan's opinion.

Agreed 100%. This thread is completely made up over nothing. McCain has said on at least two prior occasions that Mathis was hard headed and tempermental. He got into an altercation with Rivers last year and I believe had a fighting incident in college as well.

How anyone could get out of that sound bite that Shanahan was the source of the comment is beyond me.

tsip
04-11-2006, 09:30 AM
Just another example of an athlete that thinks he's above everything around him including his teammates and coaches. Shanahan's age doesn't have anything to do with Mathis being a meat head. Kyle did a good job in Denver and was well respected 'despite' his young age because of his football IQ. These football players are making millions of dollars and there is no excuse for them to let their ego's get in the way of the team and coaches.
I say he either needs to shape up, or ship out. We don't need his crap!!!

I think you meant Tampa Bay, where Kyle was a QC coach the past 2 yrs after leaving UT.

Malloy
04-11-2006, 09:34 AM
At the end of the day and you've got the cash, fame, all the speed in the world, women if you want, a pro bowl, and then realize in all these things that life's still got you down, you start to realize all these things don't mean that much. He'll learn eventually that integrity, humility, and respect will help him be a better professional if those are indeed things he is struggling with. He's really young it happens in the league all the time and most usually realize life can go on without them so they get with the program.

OR, he'll enjoy his life full of cash, fame, pro bowls and women!

I know I would ;)

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 09:37 AM
Maybe there's something to be said for him not having a WR Coach in college. He's been figuring it out on his own this far, made the Pro-Bowl, and probably feels like he needs no help.

Put yourself in his shoes from a regular work-force standpoint:
A. Company loves what you do and tells you so
B. Company gives you some responsibility and you excell
C. You receive national recognition and win Employee of the Year
D. Then company brings in some young hot shot
E. Young hot shot has no experience at your specific job task yet has no problem bossing you around

Let's give this time. I'm sure he'll figure it out. Especially when he realizes that 4th rd money is beans compared to what he could garner if he keeps up the good work and gets his attitude straight
The greats have never ever thought they knew everything. Look at Jerry Rice he played for 20 years and he was always learning and improving himself and never thought he knew everything.

There is no substitute for charector.

bad
04-11-2006, 09:40 AM
Sadly if that is true, it happens to a lot of guys when they have success early in the NFL or any sport.

"I am a pro bowler, I dont have to work out right now or watch film, I got it all figured out." ...and then they fade away into oblivion.

Makes me even more grateful for players like Jerry Rice, LaDainian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, et al who never stopped working for even the smallest extra edge. They work their butts off and their busts end up in Canton.

Nothing beats a strong work ethic.

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 11:01 AM
That sounds like Wharton High School! By the way.... the kid initials do not happen to be K.H?
M.C.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
04-11-2006, 11:25 AM
I do not care about his excuses or accomplishments. You are there for a reason and the only way you are going to get further is to LISTEN TO YOUR COACHES!!! NO MATTER WHAT!!!

He made it to the probowl, AS A RETURNER. not the elite WRs in the league. Jerry Azumah made it as a returner (we love him, but he has much more class than Mathis is showing!!!) I am kinda bummed we lost him this year to retirement, but her went out a fan favorite!!!

If Mathis' goal is to become an elite WR in the NFL, he better shut up, listen, and let his improved play talk for itself, That is class!! and you may get another job in the NFL later.

You can be the fastest guy, but if you are not getting the ball... doesn't matter

jerek
04-11-2006, 11:42 AM
OMFW. And still we have people throwing out this talk about how Mathis "better do this" or that or good riddance. Listen to the sound bite all the way, or don't bother listening to it at all.

I agree with what Lucky and infantry already pointed out: This discussion was not specifically about Mathis not responding to Shanahan. Mathis' conflict with last year's coaching staff was pretty well documented, and Shanahan is now working with Mathis. It did not particularly infer that Mathis is not responding to Shanahan, past or present.

Then again it was difficult to understand anything over the noise of the VY-leg humping in the background. To say nothing of this being of the quality of the usual Justice take: credibility, where art thou?

Please close this thread already. Ridiculous.

Frank_The_Tank
04-11-2006, 11:44 AM
Mathis still has problems catching the ball so I do not see why he acting this way. If your coach is young, you grow with him. Character issues will not be tolerated with Kubiak so I hope Mathis gets his act together

Frank_The_Tank
04-11-2006, 11:45 AM
Oh and just because you are the son of a great NFL coach does not mean you are a great NFL coach. The young pup needs to take that into consideration as well.

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 12:10 PM
Please close this thread already. Ridiculous.
Why? For the first time in three months its a thread where no one is calling somebody stupid or an I d i o t. For the first time in three months its a thread that is maintaining a civil tone.

But wait you disagree, so instantly we must close this thread?

:ok:

So much for the civil tone.

jerek
04-11-2006, 12:16 PM
Why? For the first time in three months its a thread where no one is calling somebody stupid or an I d i o t. For the first time in three months its a thread that is maintaining a civil tone.

But wait you disagree, so instantly we must close this thread?

:ok:

So much for the civil tone.

Lol. People are bagging on Mathis for no reason at all but Justice saying he has a bad attitude, and drawing some stretch conclusions on his relationship with Shanahan. Excuuuusse me if I don't hop to and join in the mud slinging.

Caddo1361
04-11-2006, 12:17 PM
TEXANRED,

I am new to the sight but I played college football for a small D3 school in the state that was successful. It was amazing to me, even at the lowly D3 level, how many of the players could not read over an elementary level, or even not at all. It just goes to show that fame will get you places hard work sometimes can not.

jerek
04-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Which school? Some of my boys played for UMHB. I know there are a lot of D3s in state, just asking, as I went to a D3 myself (LeTourneau).

rafterticket
04-11-2006, 12:53 PM
I hate those two men. I turned it off halfway through because of them. It's all about Vince Young for them, and THEN they want Vince to go to Tenn. so he can play us twice a year and create a rivalry that he can write about.

I was a McClain fan, but I have gotten sick of hearing about Vince Young. It ain't gonna happen...he KNOWS it ain't gonna happen, and he STILL won't SHUT UP about the guy!

Why won't he just go back to talking about some restaurant that we know we will likely never see, or his new screenplay, or going to the academy awards...........you know, the stuff that made him only mildly irritating!

Texas
04-11-2006, 12:59 PM
A.J doesnt seem like he's a leader to me though. Hes more of a follower and does his own thing.

Bobo
04-11-2006, 01:16 PM
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/justicemcclain/week56/justmc1.html

This is the Justice and McClain show on the draft and the Texans and he's mentioning young Shan is having trouble with Mathis. I've worried about Shan's age with the receiver coor. I hope Moulds can come in and put Mathis in his place that's where he really could be of additional value.

Kubiak is to blame for this. Anybody who has ever been in charge of hiring people knows that you must be sure that the person being hired in any supervisorial capacity must be in a position to garner the respect of those under him. Kubiak recognized the risk he was facing in bringing in such a young coach. I said this was a mistake to start with and now it's already coming to fruition. Sure, Mathis should listen to Baby Shanahan, but the fact that the assistant coach needs someone else to help him shows he shouldn't have been hired in that capacity in the first place.

Ibar_Harry
04-11-2006, 01:17 PM
You've taken McClain's comment out of context. That's not difficult to do, as McClain doesn't clarify his statements as well as a journalist should and he doesn't always speak in a linear fashion. Here is what McClain was attempting to say:

1) Mathis was stubborn and difficult to coach under the previous staff.
2) Kyle Shanahan will attempt to connect with Mathis (He's coached Mathis for less than a week).

McClain was giving his opinion of Mathis' coachability. Not Shanahan's opinion.

Your comments and those of InfantryCak are with merrit. It was the early morning hours and I was very tired and not feeling well, so I was just looking around for some news for the board. Unfortunately, I misheard what he said although I listened to it twice.

I had not heard of this before, so I was kind of taken by surprise because of his apparent work ethic under the special teams coach. Again, I apologize for my error and hope others will, however, listen because after you get by the VY/Bush thing there are some other points. Anyway at least McClain is starting to think like some of us that the Texans might be something special offesively this year.

Is McClain kind of the kiss of death though? I think he was chastizing everyone about not taking Cedric Benson. Seems like that didn't work out so well last year if I recall correctly.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
04-11-2006, 01:53 PM
Your comments and those of InfantryCak are with merrit. It was the early morning hours and I was very tired and not feeling well, so I was just looking around for some news for the board. Unfortunately, I misheard what he said although I listened to it twice.

I had not heard of this before, so I was kind of taken by surprise because of his apparent work ethic under the special teams coach. Again, I apologize for my error and hope others will, however, listen because after you get by the VY/Bush thing there are some other points. Anyway at least McClain is starting to think like some of us that the Texans might be something special offesively this year.

Is McClain kind of the kiss of death though? I think he was chastizing everyone about not taking Cedric Benson. Seems like that didn't work out so well last year if I recall correctly.


I can relate to that comment about Cedric benson... Just like so many of our #1 picks over the years...

TexanFan881
04-11-2006, 02:12 PM
A.J doesnt seem like he's a leader to me though. Hes more of a follower and does his own thing.

He's got Eric to straighten him up now :redtowel:

rmartin65
04-11-2006, 03:11 PM
I would like to see another report that says Mathis is tough to coach, I have never heard of this before. The few reports that have come out about Mathis says he tries to learn. Now, it might be true, I'd just like to see some more proof.

And yes, Mathis is one of my favorite players so maybe I am a little biased.

Errant Hothy
04-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Could this be chalked up to Mathis becoming pissed he is now the 4th receiver on the depth chart and the team is likely to draft somebody who could also take away his return dutys?

It's has to suck a little that you make the Pro-Bowl and don't advance on teh team's depth chart, atleast it might seem that way to him.

Grid
04-11-2006, 03:32 PM
....I didnt listen to the entire broadcast (just up to the Mathis part) but I didnt hear any mention of Shan. Where is this coming from?

I didnt see him saying that Walters is hard headed..or AJ..or any of our other WRs. If it was a respect issue..shouldnt they ALL be giving him trouble?

Sounds to me like Mathis may just be a hard headed and difficult to coach player. Moulds will hopefully fix that.. either directly..or by creating a better environment amongst our receivers.

Either way.. if Mathis cant take to coaching, and wants to spend his entire career as a 4th WR that does kickoff returns..then that is what he will be. Its up to him to take the next step. Hopefully he will try to improve. Id hate to see his talent wasted.

ojthecat
04-11-2006, 03:47 PM
As far as I am concerned I could give a rat's beehind what McLame thinks about Mathis. All I know is last year when he was given a chance he performed above expectations. It is what happens on the field that matters most and so far I am impressed with Jerome. This is the offseason and McLame has probably been told to stop having blatent man love for Vince so he is digging for stories.

kingh99
04-11-2006, 03:55 PM
Could this be chalked up to Mathis becoming pissed he is now the 4th receiver on the depth chart and the team is likely to draft somebody who could also take away his return dutys?

It's has to suck a little that you make the Pro-Bowl and don't advance on teh team's depth chart, atleast it might seem that way to him.


Of course. He's out of a position when Bush signs.I see him traded. He doesn't want to be a backup. Gee, the one good thing the league did to the Texans last year, making this guy an all pro or pro bowl whatever turns out to be a bad thing because it made him uppity about his value.

Second reason is this may be baby Shanahan but no way the players are going to win these battles right now. They are going to ship his butt out if he's a trouble maker. See the other guys they dropped for examples.

TexanFan881
04-11-2006, 04:00 PM
Of course. He's out of a position when Bush signs.I see him traded. He doesn't want to be a backup. Gee, the one good thing the league did to the Texans last year, making this guy an all pro or pro bowl whatever turns out to be a bad thing because it made him uppity about his value.

Second reason is this may be baby Shanahan but no way the players are going to win these battles right now. They are going to ship his butt out if he's a trouble maker. See the other guys they dropped for examples.

We are not going to take our starting RB and give him PR/KR duties.

TEXANRED
04-11-2006, 04:05 PM
[QUOTE=ojthecat] All I know is last year when he was given a chance he performed above expectations. It is what happens on the field that matters most and so far I am impressed with Jerome.QUOTE]

It's about more than performing. It's about being a team player and listening to the coach's who instruct you. Patriots didn't win three superbowls with all the injuries they had during each run cause they were not team players.

Same thing with T.O. Not a team player. All the talent and all the performance and the onlyl owner who would even touch him is Jerry.

Sorry the pro-bowl left a bad taste in my mouth. I have a problem when your only player representing your team and your city, is two hours late for photos and makes every player wait on you to drag yourself out of bed.

He needs to wake up and start looking over his shoulder. He is a faster younger version of Corey Bradford. He's got wheels but he can't run routes or catch.

kingh99
04-11-2006, 04:10 PM
We are not going to take our starting RB and give him PR/KR duties.

I dunno about that. He's more of a slot guy that starting RB. DD is the starting RB.

kingh99
04-11-2006, 04:16 PM
I also hope he doesn't turn out to be the Texans Steve Tasker if he's traded.

Grid
04-11-2006, 04:17 PM
[QUOTE=ojthecat] All I know is last year when he was given a chance he performed above expectations. It is what happens on the field that matters most and so far I am impressed with Jerome.QUOTE]

It's about more than performing. It's about being a team player and listening to the coach's who instruct you. Patriots didn't win three superbowls with all the injuries they had during each run cause they were not team players.

Same thing with T.O. Not a team player. All the talent and all the performance and the onlyl owner who would even touch him is Jerry.

Sorry the pro-bowl left a bad taste in my mouth. I have a problem when your only player representing your team and your city, is two hours late for photos and makes every player wait on you to drag yourself out of bed.

He needs to wake up and start looking over his shoulder. He is a faster younger version of Corey Bradford. He's got wheels but he can't run routes or catch.

Dang he did that? yah id say this is definatly an issue with MATHIS..not with our coaching staff. Hopefully when we get in TC, and we have Moulds and AJ and all the coaches and players there.. they can straighten him out. If Mathis is causing a problem, i dont think its a problem that will JUST fall on our WR coach..I think our other offensive coaches and players will step in.

ojthecat
04-11-2006, 04:21 PM
Sorry the pro-bowl left a bad taste in my mouth. I have a problem when your only player representing your team and your city, is two hours late for photos and makes every player wait on you to drag yourself out of bed.

He needs to wake up and start looking over his shoulder. He is a faster younger version of Corey Bradford. He's got wheels but he can't run routes or catch.

Something he did at the probowl?

Moon left early from his probowl.
Vanderjack got liquired up.
Aikman was eating hot dogs.

Grid
04-11-2006, 04:25 PM
The Pro-bowl is as much a vacation as an event. Leaving early and eating hotdogs are no big deal. When a rookie who made it as a kick returner acts like a superstar and doesnt honor his engagements..that is a sign of a bad attitude.

And Vanderjack gets liquered up at breakfast.

ojthecat
04-11-2006, 04:37 PM
The Pro-bowl is as much a vacation as an event. Leaving early and eating hotdogs are no big deal. When a rookie who made it as a kick returner acts like a superstar and doesnt honor his engagements..that is a sign of a bad attitude.

And Vanderjack gets liquered up at breakfast.


The kid overslept how many did he take to the house last year. Give him a break for the probowl. I have complete faith that Kubes will keep him in line.

rmartin65
04-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Could this be chalked up to Mathis becoming pissed he is now the 4th receiver on the depth chart and the team is likely to draft somebody who could also take away his return dutys?

It's has to suck a little that you make the Pro-Bowl and don't advance on teh team's depth chart, atleast it might seem that way to him.
Thats a good point, I never thought about that.

Grid
04-11-2006, 04:51 PM
The kid overslept how many did he take to the house last year. Give him a break for the probowl. I have complete faith that Kubes will keep him in line.

Since when did how many touchdowns he made have any bearing on his attitude? TO has made a lot more touchdowns..but that doesnt excuse his attitude.

If Mathis thinks his **** dont stink.. he will be in for a rude awakening. I love the kids potential (POTENTIAL), but its his abilities as a WR that will get him somewhere.. and he has alot of learning to do there. Sorry to say that a kick returner is easy to replace. Even one with Mathis' abilities.

Vinny
04-11-2006, 04:51 PM
This is no news to me. I've stated several times that Mathis is a LONG ways away from being a starter or meaningful contributor as an every down player.

mexican_texan
04-11-2006, 05:13 PM
This is no news to me. I've stated several times that Mathis is a LONG ways away from being a starter or meaningful contributor as an every down player.
yeah, I guess they started to listen to you. I haven't heard any Mathis at WR2 in weeks. Besides the Cleveland catch, which I'm not sure was caught, I was never amazed at his skills.

Vinny
04-11-2006, 05:16 PM
yeah, I guess they started to listen to you. I haven't heard any Mathis at WR2 in weeks. Besides the Cleveland catch, which I'm not sure was caught, I was never amazed at his skills.I'm not saying I had anything to do with anything...but I've given this opinion for over a year now...so yeah...this is no news to me. Mathis runs fast, but has issues with routes, has poor hands, and doesn't change directions with the suddeness that you would like to see in a WR (one reason he is a better kick returner than a punt returner). He isn't especially sharp or smart either.

Meloy
04-11-2006, 05:16 PM
Mr. Mathis, my name is Bob McNair. You are an employee of the Houston Texans. Should you choose to continue your employment, do what you are told by every coach. One mention by any coach that you are disruptive or not coachable and you, sir, are FIRED! The end. That's all. Esta todo.

MojoX
04-11-2006, 07:03 PM
You've taken McClain's comment out of context. That's not difficult to do, as McClain doesn't clarify his statements as well as a journalist should and he doesn't always speak in a linear fashion. Here is what McClain was attempting to say:

1) Mathis was stubborn and difficult to coach under the previous staff.
2) Kyle Shanahan will attempt to connect with Mathis (He's coached Mathis for less than a week).

McClain was giving his opinion of Mathis' coachability. Not Shanahan's opinion.
I've come across the "Mathis is a knucklehead" thing before. I think it was in a Meagan Manfull piece at The Sporting News website. So I doubt this has anything to do with Kubiak's hiring or Shan. This is about Mathis. But, hey, he won't be the first increadible athlete to stunt his own growth via a bad attitude.

edo783
04-11-2006, 07:54 PM
One of Kubiacks MAIN thing is he is all about team. If JM gives the impression that he isn't about team, he will have a hard time getting more than KR duty and MAY not see much of that if he is really causing problems.

texman8
04-11-2006, 10:08 PM
Mathis was a pro bowler as a return man. He hasn't proven anything at WR. Yes, he is raw. If he wants to succeed, he has to suck it up....take the instruction...stop being difficult....maybe then he can get his teammates' and fans' respect. Time to start to harness his speed and his talent..