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Avenged Sevenfold Texan
04-09-2006, 03:38 PM
Who do you want the Texans to draft.Bush or Young or Other. No explanation needed, just vote.

jacquescas
04-09-2006, 04:41 PM
geez for all the talk the Young people make, in numbers they are a small minority, a loud one, but a small one.

Mike Kerns
04-09-2006, 04:42 PM
I believe most have come to their senses. Even most Trade Down campers are drooling over Reggie:drool:

texasguy346
04-09-2006, 05:08 PM
I'd still prefer Mario, but it's looking very unlikely that we'll take him. I'll be happy with whichever player we take at #1, and the signs seem to point to us taking Bush.

thunderkyss
04-09-2006, 05:29 PM
I believe most have come to their senses. Even most Trade Down campers are drooling over Reggie:drool:


I think the Texans are leaning towards Reggie.... but I still want Vince.... has nothing to do with "coming to our senses"

just tired of fighting.

swtbound07
04-09-2006, 05:33 PM
I think the Texans are leaning towards Reggie.... but I still want Vince.... has nothing to do with "coming to our senses"

just tired of fighting.


I echo that..its like speaking to a brick wall. I dont think anybody has switched sides since this whole debate began

Frank_The_Tank
04-09-2006, 05:33 PM
http://membres.lycos.fr/tielkric/funstuff/homer.jpg





The inside of the Reggie Bush fan head :redtowel:

kastofsna
04-09-2006, 05:43 PM
yes, the insane that wanted young all along won't be converted any time soon.

nunusguy
04-09-2006, 05:58 PM
I dunno....I think we all knew it was a small, but vocal minority who wanted
Young to be the Texans pick. I just hope ole man McNair understand whats going on here so he can let his people know not to use our second round pick on VY if he's still on the Board.

Hottoddie
04-09-2006, 06:26 PM
yes, the insane that wanted young all along won't be converted any time soon.

Nor, will the soon to be disappointed ones that want Bush. Especially, when they finally accept the fact that he can't run up the middle, or get around the corners, with speed of the LB's, CB's, & Safties of the NFL. Only, this time he won't have Lendale White to cover for him. :stirpot:

kastofsna
04-09-2006, 06:43 PM
lendale white will make a glorious paperweight in a few years.

Mike Kerns
04-09-2006, 06:44 PM
Especially, when they finally accept the fact that he can't run up the middle, or get around the corners, with speed of the LB's, CB's, & Safties of the NFL.
And your boy Vince can ???

Honoring Earl 34
04-09-2006, 06:59 PM
When they resigned Carr ... Vince and the die-hard VY supporters should have seen the writing on the wall .

I'm not a big Carr fan and if the FO said we're trading Carr and drafting VY I would'nt have shed a tear . The fact that the entire Texans brass has said Carr is their guy means its time to move on .

The scouts say Reggie is the best prospect in the last 15 years which is not a bad consulation prize for the Young and restless . Reggie might be the best WR in this draft and is easily the best offensive weapon . I can't wait to see the Texans play with Bush , Putzier , Moulds , Flannigan , and real coaches .:redtowel:

kastofsna
04-09-2006, 07:08 PM
And your boy Vince can ???
no, but he CAN operate a spread-option offense with elite talent around him playing inferior opponents every week, a year after struggling in a more traditional pro-style offense despite superior talent. that'll definitely come in handy in the NFL!

TexanFan881
04-09-2006, 07:13 PM
I would like Bush if we stayed at #1, but I would like to trade down if possible.

TexansLucky13
04-09-2006, 09:14 PM
Heh, how could you say that no one has converted from Vince to Bush? After the Rose Bowl, this poll would have been the exact opposite. I think saying that they have "come to their senses" is the best way to describe what has happened. Thunderkyss, MONARCH, hottoddie and swtbound07 consist of about 90% of the Anti-Bush sentiment on the Texans MB. I envy your patience and consistency, but there will be no Vince Young on the Texans. You should come to the realization that this argument has never been about who is better on the field. It is about who is better on the wallet. Bush is highly anticipated, more so than Young. But if the Texans take VY, it will be a waste of all that money we gave to Carr on the extension. Step back and smell the napalm, my friends.... this war was over before it began. Bush is in Houston for the '06-'07 season, period.

P.S. - If you truely like Vince Young, and think he is talented... you should want him to go to another team. With the changes Kubiak is making to the O-line, there will be no room for his style. He would suffer in Houston. Vote for him to go to the Raiders instead. If not... then you truely don't care much about VY... maybe you are just a UT pusher. Hmm, imagine that.

Texans_Chick
04-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Where is the option that says:

I want the Texans to do whatever they believe is the right decision to do after looking at tape, working the players out and judging what draft options are out there.

I would love watching a Texans VY.

I would love watching a Texans RB.

I would love getting a mammoth trade down that gives us tons of value and sets the team up for winning for years to come.

With what I know, I think they will take Bush given the contracts for current players, off-season FA signings and the way they are marketing through the media that Bush is likely to be the guy--to choose other than Bush with all that going on would be something that would be difficult for the general public (as opposed to the hardcore) Texans fan base to swallow. Hardcore fans might be able to deal with the trade down stuff easier, but boy howdy the Texans would have to sell the heck out that after all this hype.

Texas
04-09-2006, 09:51 PM
Honestly I wish we would have cut or not signed anymore de's and took Mario Williams and took a FS instead of a DE that we took in the FA.However that didnt happen... So im all for Reggie Bush or a trade with another team and taking D'Brick...I love young but I dont see us taking him.

swtbound07
04-09-2006, 09:55 PM
Heh, how could you say that no one has converted from Vince to Bush? After the Rose Bowl, this poll would have been the exact opposite. I think saying that they have "come to their senses" is the best way to describe what has happened. Thunderkyss, MONARCH, hottoddie and swtbound07 consist of about 90% of the Anti-Bush sentiment on the Texans MB. I envy your patience and consistency, but there will be no Vince Young on the Texans. You should come to the realization that this argument has never been about who is better on the field. It is about who is better on the wallet. Bush is highly anticipated, more so than Young. But if the Texans take VY, it will be a waste of all that money we gave to Carr on the extension. Step back and smell the napalm, my friends.... this war was over before it began. Bush is in Houston for the '06-'07 season, period.

P.S. - If you truely like Vince Young, and think he is talented... you should want him to go to another team. With the changes Kubiak is making to the O-line, there will be no room for his style. He would suffer in Houston. Vote for him to go to the Raiders instead. If not... then you truely don't care much about VY... maybe you are just a UT pusher. Hmm, imagine that.

That is the kind of sentence you could come to me with if today was april 29th. Then if I am still talking about Vince, feel free to put me in my place. As of now, nobody is on the texans, and you proclaiming something to be a grand fact doesnt make it so. Its not like im in denial...i CANT BE. Why? Draft hasnt happened yet. I personally want somebody besides bush to be drafted now just to silence all these people who spoke in absolutes and made promises that didnt come true. Nobody here is psychic, so im going to need everyone to stop acting like it's signed, sealed and delivered. Before you start talking to me about circumstantial evidence, read my last post in the vince young workout thread.

Hottoddie
04-09-2006, 11:32 PM
And your boy Vince can ???

I have never said VY was my boy. I've stated that I believe the Texans would rather take Young, than Bush. I have admitted to being intrigued by Young's skills & the added dimension that he brings to the QB position. But, not once have I said that it's VY for me, or bust.

I have taken the position of trading down & picking up D'Brick from the beginning, & I still maintain that position.

I am completely opposed to Reggie Bush, because I don't believe that he can go up the middle & that much of his speed will be negated by the speed of the NFL.

I've been one of the front runners in the smear Reggie Bush campaign, just to play the devil's advocate & jack with all the people that think he walks on water. While over 90% of this board believes taking Bush is a foregone conclusion, I don't. And, apparently the Texans still have some doubts, or they wouldn't have brought Young in & would've most likely, already have started contract negotiations. But, they haven't. That has to make you go hmmmmm. :hmmm: :stirpot:

However, I do believe in the coaches & FO, & if they decide that Bush is the right choice, then I'll support him 110%. After all, I'm a Texans fan, not any one player's fan.

Mike Kerns
04-09-2006, 11:40 PM
I've been one of the front runners in the smear Reggie Bush campaign, just to play the devil's advocate & jack with all the people that think he walks on water.

He Can't ???:confused:

Hottoddie
04-09-2006, 11:44 PM
He Can't ???:confused:

Sorry to burst your bubble. :shrug:

4th&inches
04-09-2006, 11:46 PM
I think that the the texans cant pass on reggie but I voted for trading down and getting more picks.

Mike Kerns
04-09-2006, 11:48 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble. :shrug:

:crying: Guess I will live. Still with camp Reggie though.:superman:

thunderkyss
04-10-2006, 12:45 AM
I think saying that they have "come to their senses" is the best way to describe what has happened. Thunderkyss, MONARCH, hottoddie and swtbound07 consist of about 90% of the Anti-Bush sentiment on the Texans MB.
I'm not anti-bush.... heck, I want bush..... I love bush. But I'd rather Vince be a Houston Texans than Reggie, but I'm not opposed to Reggie.

You should come to the realization that this argument has never been about who is better on the field. It is about who is better on the wallet. Bush is highly anticipated, more so than Young. But if the Texans take VY, it will be a waste of all that money we gave to Carr on the extension. Step back and smell the napalm, my friends.... this war was over before it began. Bush is in Houston for the '06-'07 season, period.
Napalm, shmaypalm... war??? My Opinion is that we should draft Vince Young. That hasn't changed. It didn't make sense to me to draft Reggie #1 before I thought Vince would enter the draft. I'd have prefered a nice OT. I like Chester, so I didn't really see the logic in dragting another left tackle, and you just don't draft a right tackle with the #1 overall. Mario........ I was kinda not interested in him, being that we ran a 3-4, I liked the 3-4, and I'd hate to try to make him a LB, or a DT.

Drafting a Running back didn't, and doesn't make sense to me. So it doesn't matter to me, if we draft Reggie or not..... To me, it doesn't make sense, regardless of who that running back is. So if we're at war, about who the Texans are going to draft, I guess I'm on your side. But I've been here, since we gave Rosenfells a $2 million bonus....


P.S. - If you truely like Vince Young, and think he is talented... you should want him to go to another team. With the changes Kubiak is making to the O-line, there will be no room for his style. He would suffer in Houston. Vote for him to go to the Raiders instead. If not... then you truely don't care much about VY... maybe you are just a UT pusher. Hmm, imagine that.

I'd like to hear your explanation about this one. I believe the best system for Vince to step in right now, is the one in Denver, where the QB's mobility is part of his protection. The ability to throw on the run is a plus, and, it's a run oriented offense...... with big plays from the passing game. If Kubiak is bringing a version of the Denver system, I think Vince would do well.

swtbound07
04-10-2006, 12:52 AM
Thunderkyss, MONARCH, hottoddie and swtbound07 consist of about 90% of the Anti-Bush sentiment on the Texans MB.

Apparently the poll numbers arent backing you up kinfolk....more than 4 people picked vince in the poll.

The Dude Abides
04-10-2006, 01:09 AM
I think Monarch is about 80% of that 90%

Texans_Chick
04-10-2006, 09:47 AM
I see what you are saying but I wanted to see which side of the fence the majority of the board was on.

I would root for Reggie, VY, or Mario. Whoever we drafted but I prefer we draft Bush.:twocents:

As far to trade down and draft anyone that's what the option (other) was for.

So what is your pick? Who or what do you prefer?

Well, given their moves off season, out of those players available at 1, I would pick Bush. (With the Carr bonus, signing Rosenfels, signing Weaver to money, getting a lot of OK FAs, don't care for OL with a high first pick, don't think we will get a Godfather).

Who do I think will have the biggest impact in the NFL and who would I love to see as a Texan? Vince. QB's play longer and his college stats compared to other college QBs people compare him to make me think he is gonna have a fabu career. Like his size and his work ethic and his desire to compete. He might not make an immediate impact--but QBs tend to have longer careers.

I know people will disagree, but I think Vince is the BPA. But given our team, and salary cap stuff and all that--Vince and Reggie are so close together, that I think you pick Bush. (Oh, and I am aware of all the bizillion of mock drafts and the ones that don't think as highly as VY as I do--I just disagree--I also think that the mock drafts look more at perceived needs versus just an analysis of ability).

I wish there were a way that picking Vince would make sense for us. But more and more of these off season moves seem to make this not make sense for us. I just think he would be fun to watch develop. It was fun just reading about him playing around with Kubiak, trying to get him to do a Hook 'em.

I won't be sad with any of players that we are likely to pick. Our first pick is likely to be awesome. What will make me sad is the stupid stuff people will say about it--when people are saying stupid stuff about Reggie or Vince.

I am feeling about draft day what used to feel like on Christmas morning. I can't wait. (Still hoping that Vince doesn't go to TN or Cryboys--then I will have to sorta kinda root for the player and not root for the team, like I have done with Steve McNair). :redtowel:

Kaiser Toro
04-10-2006, 09:49 AM
Where is Mario Williams?

Mr. White
04-10-2006, 09:59 AM
Voted for Vince. I know it won't happen, but you asked....
Reason: my favorite player from my favorite college team goes to my favorite pro team.

Fire away.

Tha_Tinman
04-10-2006, 10:04 AM
geez for all the talk the Young people make, in numbers they are a small minority, a loud one, but a small one.


Vince has always been the underdog! That makes it just that much sweeter when he does what he does!

rmartin65
04-10-2006, 10:45 AM
Wow, almost as many trade down people as VY people.

bad
04-10-2006, 10:49 AM
Voted for Vince. I know it won't happen, but you asked....
Reason: my favorite player from my favorite college team goes to my favorite pro team.

Fire away. That's a perfectly legitimate reason to want Vince Young as a Texan. It's what being a fan is all about.

It's also a perfect illustration of why we're lucky the fans don't get to choose the draft picks.

For what it's worth, I think Vince Young will find his place in the NFL. I don't see him likely to be a bust. Too much God-given talent and just enough of a chip on his shoulder to push him forward. It's just that 2006 is a tough year to be the first pick in the draft if your name isn't Reggie Bush.

Mr. White
04-10-2006, 12:52 PM
That's a perfectly legitimate reason to want Vince Young as a Texan. It's what being a fan is all about.

It's also a perfect illustration of why we're lucky the fans don't get to choose the draft picks.

For what it's worth, I think Vince Young will find his place in the NFL. I don't see him likely to be a bust. Too much God-given talent and just enough of a chip on his shoulder to push him forward. It's just that 2006 is a tough year to be the first pick in the draft if your name isn't Reggie Bush.

No doubt. If the question was "Which draft pick will help the team the most this year" then I'd have to go with Reggie or Mario.

thunderkyss
04-10-2006, 01:14 PM
No doubt. If the question was "Which draft pick will help the team the most this year" then I'd have to go with Reggie or Mario.

Aj, Moulds, Armstrong, and DD...... then we've got to get the ball to mathis, Jeb, and Walther, Morency should get some touches, as well as Jameel Cook..... That's our team right now...... We don't have Reggie Bush, but we've got playmakers, and every reason to expect Carr to be able to drive this bus into the endzone often.

If I were to rank who would be the most helpful to our team in 2006, I'd go with Mario first, then Reggie, and Vince would be several places lower.

If I were to rank who would help our team the most in the long run........ Vince would be at the very top.

Hottoddie
04-10-2006, 08:47 PM
Don't forget Vernon Davis. He's a stud & would definitely be able to help us.

OilerTexan
04-10-2006, 10:20 PM
... to choose other than Bush with all that going on would be something that would be difficult for the general public (as opposed to the hardcore) Texans fan base to swallow. Hardcore fans might be able to deal with the trade down stuff easier, but boy howdy the Texans would have to sell the heck out that after all this hype.

I think the "generl public Texan" fan is not so tightly wound as those on the board. :)

On the main houstontexans.com page the Miller poll, has:
Who should the Texans draft with their No.1 pick?
Vince Young 13142 70%
Reggie Bush 4963 26%

I think many of these voters are thinking, "I really liked watching Vince play for UT. It sure would be fun to watch him play for the Texans."

I myself think, "I really liked watching Vince play for UT. It sure would be fun to watch him play for the Texans."

If Reggie had played for UT instead, I'd probably be thinking, "I really liked watching Reggie play for UT. It sure would be fun to watch him play for the Texans."

Tejaspro
04-10-2006, 10:48 PM
I think that the the texans cant pass on reggie but I voted for trading down and getting more picks.

I remember when Magic Johnson was in the NBA draft and the Lakers had the first pick. Being a Laker fan, I wanted a very good defensive guard out of Arkansas (if I remember correctly). After all, the Lakers didn't need Magic Johnson, they already had Norm Nixon, a very young and talented point guard. And they could definately use a fine defensive off guard. And he... (I still can't recall his name, now. I think he played for Dallas) well anyway, he was rated up there at the top and indeed, he turned out to be a fine NBA player. But, you know the rest.... and the Lakers were fun to watch win championships. I just didn't understand the scope of Magic's talent. And they didn't "need" another point guard.

Today, I look at Bush and think.... the Texans don't need him. They already have a great young RB in Dominic Davis. But, I'm glad I was wrong, and the Lakers took Magic. I hope and believe that Bush, even though we don't "need" him, will be that same type of player. The management of the Lakers knew best, and I hope the management of the Texans do too.

Mike Kerns
04-10-2006, 10:52 PM
I remember when Magic Johnson was in the NBA draft and the Lakers had the first pick. Being a Laker fan, I wanted a very good defensive guard out of Arkansas (if I remember correctly). After all, the Lakers didn't need Magic Johnson, they already had Norm Nixon, a very young and talented point guard. And they could definately use a fine defensive off guard. And he... (I still can't recall his name, now. I think he played for Dallas) well anyway, he was rated up there at the top and indeed, he turned out to be a fine NBA player. But, you know the rest.... and the Lakers were fun to watch win championships. I just didn't understand the scope of Magic's talent. And they didn't "need" another point guard.

Today, I look at Bush and think.... the Texans don't need him. They already have a great young RB in Dominic Davis. But, I'm glad I was wrong, and the Lakers took Magic. I hope and believe that Bush, even though we don't "need" him, will be that same type of player. The management of the Lakers knew best, and I hope the management of the Texans do too.

Very well put. I don't want to be known as the team that passed up on Reggie Bush...

thunderkyss
04-10-2006, 11:01 PM
Very well put. I don't want to be known as the team that passed up on Reggie Bush...
Imagine if Indy felt the same way about Ricky Williams.

Mike Kerns
04-10-2006, 11:10 PM
Per ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2401687

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Southern California tailback and Heisman Trophy winner Reggie Bush tops a list of five prospects who have accepted invitations to attend the NFL draft in New York on April 29, league officials confirmed.


The group also includes quarterbacks Matt Leinart of USC and Vince Young of Texas, North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams and Virginia offensive tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson. The list could expand by one or two players and the league hopes to add at least one more defensive prospect.


Typically, the NFL invites 5-7 players for the first day of the draft, which for the first time will be held this year at Radio City Music Hall. Unlike some professional sports leagues, the NFL is very selective, and tries to choose only top 10 prospects, to avoid embarrassment to a player if he slides in the first round.


Despite some trades anticipated in the early part of the lottery, all five players who have confirmed they will attend the draft figure to be chosen in the top 10, even if the selection order is shuffled by deals.


It is not known if any players invited to the draft turned down the opportunity to attend.


"From the time I was a kid, I dreamed about being the first pick in the draft," Bush told ESPN.com last week. "Not just a first-round pick, but the very first named called out. And part of that dream is being up there on stage in New York, shaking the commissioner's hand, putting on the hat of the team that picks you. I have been waiting most of my life to experience all of that and to have my family experience it, too. No way would I miss it."


Bush visited all day Thursday with officials from the Houston Texans, who own the first selection, but who did not provide the Trojans' star any concrete indication he will be their choice. That said, the consensus is that the Texans, who will be making the top pick for the second time in five years, will choose Bush over Young, a Houston native.


In fact, the Texans are expected to soon open contract negotiations with Bush and agent Joel Segal, with the aim of completing a deal before the draft.

Hottoddie
04-11-2006, 12:05 AM
Why do so many people quote news articles that can only speculate what the Texans are planning on doing, but write it in a way that makes it appear that they have some inside information? All they're doing is throwing enough mud on the wall, that some of it's got to stick eventually.

Mike Kerns
04-11-2006, 07:42 AM
Why do so many people quote news articles that can only speculate what the Texans are planning on doing, but write it in a way that makes it appear that they have some inside information? All they're doing is throwing enough mud on the wall, that some of it's got to stick eventually.

I didn't think I had any "Inside Information." I was simply pointing out that there have been no mentions of them starting negotiations with VY. :ok:

bad
04-11-2006, 08:11 AM
I remember when Magic Johnson was in the NBA draft and the Lakers had the first pick. Being a Laker fan, I wanted a very good defensive guard out of Arkansas (if I remember correctly). After all, the Lakers didn't need Magic Johnson, they already had Norm Nixon, a very young and talented point guard. And they could definately use a fine defensive off guard. And he... (I still can't recall his name, now. I think he played for Dallas) well anyway, he was rated up there at the top and indeed, he turned out to be a fine NBA player. But, you know the rest.... and the Lakers were fun to watch win championships. I just didn't understand the scope of Magic's talent. And they didn't "need" another point guard.

Today, I look at Bush and think.... the Texans don't need him. They already have a great young RB in Dominic Davis. But, I'm glad I was wrong, and the Lakers took Magic. I hope and believe that Bush, even though we don't "need" him, will be that same type of player. The management of the Lakers knew best, and I hope the management of the Texans do too. Beautiful analogy. I also remember that draft. I think the player being considered along with Magic was named Terry Cummings. The Lakers have always drafted BPA, regardless of need.

Mike Kerns
04-11-2006, 08:40 AM
Beautiful analogy. I also remember that draft. I think the player being considered along with Magic was named Terry Cummings. The Lakers have always drafted BPA, regardless of need.

Yes. That has worked out fairly decent for them, I think:ok:

Chicagotexan1
04-11-2006, 08:56 AM
There is a good chance VY can slip down in the draft. there is very little chance Reggie will. That tells me who the BPA is. I want the BPA more than the the hometown hero.

Sportsfan
04-11-2006, 09:57 AM
Awesome, 70% for Bush.

swtbound07
04-11-2006, 10:49 AM
I didn't think I had any "Inside Information." I was simply pointing out that there have been no mentions of them starting negotiations with VY. :ok:


Reread the article...there is no mention of them starting contract negotiations with Bush either. The writer THINKS it might start to happen soon. Thats not news, thats a theory.

Bullpen Drew
04-11-2006, 11:16 AM
Can we yet start more Bush or Young threads?? It will keep us busy until Draft Day.

thunderkyss
04-11-2006, 11:58 AM
And they didn't "need" another point guard.

Today, I look at Bush and think.... the Texans don't need him. They already have a great young RB in Dominic Davis. But, I'm glad I was wrong, and the Lakers took Magic. I hope and believe that Bush, even though we don't "need" him, will be that same type of player. The management of the Lakers knew best, and I hope the management of the Texans do too.


This analogy would make more sense to me, comparing Vince to Magic..... Point Gaurd........ QB........ there is more parallels there. To better make the Reggie Bush argument, you need the can't pass on player to be a big part of the game, but not the director of the offense.... someone like Charles Barkley @ power forward. He doesn't run the offense, but the whole offense goes through him, that plus the fact that he was a big part of the defense shows his versatility. Or, you could go with the great swing players, T-Mac, Eddie Jones(??) to show the versatility, or the freaks of nature, KG, or Dirk., Big men who can shoot the three, post you up, or beat you with their cross over.
There is a good chance VY can slip down in the draft. there is very little chance Reggie will. That tells me who the BPA is. I want the BPA more than the the hometown hero.

There is just as good a chance of Reggie sliding down. Remember all the trade down talk, pick him up at #4, & pick up another first round pick?? the thought being N.O. has a stellar RB, Tennesse would go QB, and NY wanted Vince...... I mean Lienart more than they wanted Reggie?? Same thing could happen now. If we draft D'Brick, Mario, or Vince, N.O. still has the same stellar R.B. and appear to want Mario. Tennessee will still be looking for a QB..... especially after the way they're treating McNair.... NY most likely would take Reggie....... but there are plenty of franchise RB talent, that will be available at their second #1..... they may take a defensive talent that won't be..... Huff, Hawk, Mario if he's there, they could also make a strong cars for wanting/needing D'Brick.

GreenBay I seriously doubt would pass on Reggie though.

jerek
04-11-2006, 12:10 PM
This analogy would make more sense to me, comparing Vince to Magic..... Point Gaurd........ QB........ there is more parallels there. To better make the Reggie Bush argument, you need the can't pass on player to be a big part of the game, but not the director of the offense.... someone like Charles Barkley @ power forward. He doesn't run the offense, but the whole offense goes through him, that plus the fact that he was a big part of the defense shows his versatility. Or, you could go with the great swing players, T-Mac, Eddie Jones(??) to show the versatility, or the freaks of nature, KG, or Dirk., Big men who can shoot the three, post you up, or beat you with their cross over.


There is just as good a chance of Reggie sliding down. Remember all the trade down talk, pick him up at #4, & pick up another first round pick?? the thought being N.O. has a stellar RB, Tennesse would go QB, and NY wanted Vince...... I mean Lienart more than they wanted Reggie?? Same thing could happen now. If we draft D'Brick, Mario, or Vince, N.O. still has the same stellar R.B. and appear to want Mario. Tennessee will still be looking for a QB..... especially after the way they're treating McNair.... NY most likely would take Reggie....... but there are plenty of franchise RB talent, that will be available at their second #1..... they may take a defensive talent that won't be..... Huff, Hawk, Mario if he's there, they could also make a strong cars for wanting/needing D'Brick.

GreenBay I seriously doubt would pass on Reggie though.

IMO the analogy doesn't work for either Bush or Young (or my pet pick, Mario Williams, for that matter) because:

(a) There is no way of knowing that any college football prospect will have that kind of stellar success in the NFL such that Magic Johnson enjoyed in the NBA
(b) Football compared to basketball is a flawed comparison in that there is a much stronger team concept in football. Even in basketball where there is a team of five on the floor + bench + coachng staff, there is a much stronger attribute of teamwork in football. For that matter, AI is one of the very best individual players in the league and has been for years: how many championships has he won?
(c) Magic and the Showtime Lakers were a phenomenal team from top to bottom. It is very true that Magic made those around him better, but the Lakers practically fielded a starting five of HOFers, and Pat Riley and staff used them to the fullest.

The Texans have dramatically improved in the offseason and we should look forward to this draft as a time of improving even more, but I worry that we are going to get a Bush (or hell, even a Young) and go 8-8 next year and everyone is going to say, oh, look at Reggie and his 15 TDs, he was all the difference. Or Vince (or even Reggie) will go to another team that has spent this offseason preparing and had a number of key positions put into place and that team will flourish, and people on this MB will clamor for months that player X made all the difference. Bullspit.

Any positive difference next year will grow out of the very substantial and far reaching transformation to this team that our new staff has already managed to implement. Player X will be a big part of ours or any other team's increased success, but they will not be *the* reason for success.

And do I need to go on as to why the Sam Bowie/Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson/guy from Arkansas comparison isn't relevant? Basketball vs football, apples to oranges. It sounds pretty but does nothing to strengthen your case, regardless of it being Bush or Young you pull for.

geofb
04-11-2006, 01:25 PM
I see some who were earlier very outspoken for Vince haven't voted at all. Perhaps they're not voting so as to postpone the inevitable dinner of crow?

swtbound07
04-11-2006, 03:05 PM
I see some who were earlier very outspoken for Vince haven't voted at all. Perhaps they're not voting so as to postpone the inevitable dinner of crow?

I voted...you can shut your crow talk till after the draft...im going down swingng.

kingh99
04-11-2006, 03:07 PM
I echo that..its like speaking to a brick wall. I dont think anybody has switched sides since this whole debate began

I have. Of course so have Justice and McClain. But they just want someone to get a sound bite from for the next 6 years and they realize they were about to become persona non grata to RB.

bigcarlos
04-11-2006, 06:17 PM
:superman: