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Eyeguy
04-07-2006, 12:02 PM
Let me say off the bat that VY is a GREAT talent and the beat QB to come out of HISD in the last 40 years.
That having been said, I think the Texans will draft R. Bush #1 and they should.

The question now to those who love VY is: What are you will to give up to draft him #2?
I don't think if Leinart is gone at #2 tenn., will make a trade for their pick at #3. This means you are going to have to put a package together for the #2 to NOLA to draft V.Y.

They will want 06' #33, #65, #66 and 07' #1 along with one of our top players. Are you willing to part with these picks AND D. ROB or A.J. or D.D for V. Young?
I would not make that deal, but I wonder if some of you think he is worth it. The writting is on the wall and says the only way we get V.Y. is to trade for him.

swtbound07
04-07-2006, 12:11 PM
I would trade reggie bush for him straight up...hows that?

wrestler4life
04-07-2006, 12:14 PM
I would trade reggie bush for him straight up...hows that?
Put down the pipe, man. :ok:
I would not give up all of that for him. Maybe nest year's r1 and 3, maybe a 4 from this year.

Eyeguy
04-07-2006, 12:18 PM
I would trade reggie bush for him straight up...hows that?

Get over it! That dog ain't gunna hunt.

eltoro
04-07-2006, 12:20 PM
To the Texans he is not very valuable. Maybe the Raiders or Cardinals will feel differently...

Eyeguy
04-07-2006, 12:22 PM
To the Texans he is not very valuable. Maybe the Raiders or Cardinals will feel differently...

Exactly the point I wanted to stimulate.

Bobo
04-07-2006, 12:30 PM
Let me say off the bat that VY is a GREAT talent and the beat QB to come out of HISD in the last 40 years.
That having been said, I think the Texans will draft R. Bush #1 and they should.

The question now to those who love VY is: What are you will to give up to draft him #2?
I don't think if Leinart is gone at #2 tenn., will make a trade for their pick at #3. This means you are going to have to put a package together for the #2 to NOLA to draft V.Y.

They will want 06' #33, #65, #66 and 07' #1 along with one of our top players. Are you willing to part with these picks AND D. ROB or A.J. or D.D for V. Young?
I would not make that deal, but I wonder if some of you think he is worth it. The writting is on the wall and says the only way we get V.Y. is to trade for him.

I think VY is Mike Vick lite. He can run very well, but his passing ability is suspect. There have been times where he has struggled against mediocre college teams by throwing too many INTs and that struggling will increase when he faces NFL teams. VY was a terrific college player, one of the best. But that doesn't always translate into NFL success. Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith and Archie Griffin can testify to that. I believe VY's success in the NFL will be only moderate, depending upon what team he ends up with. He could either be a smaller version of Vick or another Bobby Douglas.

rafterticket
04-07-2006, 12:44 PM
Exactly the point I wanted to stimulate.

Why???

Eyeguy
04-07-2006, 12:49 PM
Why???

I would like to know what people think VY is worth to the Texans. What would you be willing to give up to draft him at #2?

Bobo
04-07-2006, 12:53 PM
I would like to know what people think VY is worth to the Texans. What would you be willing to give up to draft him at #2?

Not a thing. Let somebody else draft him. Great college player, mediocre to half decent NFL player. Not worth more than a second or third-round draft choice.

bad
04-07-2006, 12:54 PM
I would like to know what people think VY is worth to the Texans. What would you be willing to give up to draft him at #2? Any dreams of a winning season within the next two years.

Bobo
04-07-2006, 01:08 PM
Let me say off the bat that VY is a GREAT talent and the beat QB to come out of HISD in the last 40 years.

A.) Name me your top 10 QBs to come out of HISD in the last 40 years. B.) Are you implying that VY is only the second best in the last 41 years?

rafterticket
04-07-2006, 01:08 PM
Any dreams of a winning season within the next two years.

Yeah. What this man just said.

TexasDiehard
04-07-2006, 01:12 PM
David Carr but then that wouldn't work because no one else in the NFL believes Carr has first round value much less championship potential. So I guess you could throw in the Texans' #2 this year to create the most exciting PR and football move in NFL history with VY and Bush in the same backfield but making it happen would require McNair to have a football brain which he has proven he does not have with almost every personnel move he has made to date.

eltoro
04-07-2006, 01:24 PM
The only thing exciting about VY in the NFL is going to be watching him try to balance his checkbook...:stirpot:

kastofsna
04-07-2006, 02:03 PM
i don't think he's worth a top 15 pick. aside from winning at texas, there's nothing about him that really fascinates me as a pro prospect. it scares me to think how the offense was opened up and simplified for him after his sophomore year. plus all those mechanical issues.

Nighthawk
04-07-2006, 08:39 PM
Not a thing. Let somebody else draft him. Great college player, mediocre to half decent NFL player. Not worth more than a second or third-round draft choice.

Carry this one out, will you? He needs to SEE somebody.

Eyeguy
04-07-2006, 11:31 PM
A.) Name me your top 10 QBs to come out of HISD in the last 40 years. B.) Are you implying that VY is only the second best in the last 41 years?

The point was that VY is a great QB and I wish him the best of luck in the pros. However many people thought he was worth the 1st pick in the draft. I want to know what they think he is worth to the Texans after they use their 1st pick on Bush.

Mattheus_Rex
04-07-2006, 11:37 PM
Sure, VY is good, but if the Texans drafted him, what for? Carr is going to start so you end up with a great QB sitting on the bench taking up salary cap space, where as Reggie Bush will be available for use straight out. You could say that we could train him up but Carr is still young so the team isn't in a position to get a QB to train for a starting position.

edo783
04-08-2006, 01:04 AM
What is Vince Young Worth.......a 6 ???????

FirstTexansFan
04-08-2006, 03:30 AM
but making it happen would require McNair to have a football brain which he has proven he does not have with almost every personnel move he has made to date.

I agree, he's a very ignorant man. I just don't understand how he's made all those billions of dollars personally. And to pay nearly 1 billion to bring a professional football team to Houston, so guys like you can whine and gripe? Now that's the epitamy of an ignorant man. Thow in the fact he's paying these players millions, a coach a few million, not to mention his assistant coaches. What ya figure those high paid guys don't have a clue either? I say we give this franchise to LA, they deserve it more than us.....don't YOU think? :)

JAXwithanX
04-08-2006, 06:29 AM
People need to just stop with the 'Vince Young wouldn't be worth much to us' supposing that Bush is? I think everyone on this board can admit, no matter how much they hate VY that Carr has made far less of an impact than Davis. I know he hasn't had a line and think he can be much much better with one.....but Davis is a top 10 RB when healthy....i don't think Carr is going to ever be a top 10 QB. And i'm not saying that we need him to be to win or that VY would be either....i guess i'm saying that in short....Davis is a better RB....than Carr is QB....thus making the arguement that we need Bush over Young null.

Janus3
04-08-2006, 06:57 AM
Not a thing. Let somebody else draft him. Great college player, mediocre to half decent NFL player. Not worth more than a second or third-round draft choice.

agree 110%

LongBignasty1
04-08-2006, 07:19 AM
Top 10 QB's- Top 10 RB's-

1. Peyton Manning 1. LT
2. Tom Brady 2. Shaun Alexander
3. Carlson Palmer 3. Larry Johnson
4. Ben Rothlisberger 4. Tiki Barber
5. Drew Brees 5. Edgerrin James
6. Trent Green 6. Clinton Portis
7. Daunte Culpepper 7. Rudi Johnson
8. Matt Hasselbeck 8. Willis McGahee
9. Eli Manning 9. Dominic Davis
10. Phillip Rivers 10. Warrick Dunn

I think we are going to be OK with either Bush or Young, but i think i would rather have DD and VY than RB and Carr.
That's just my opinion and i think we would be ok either way.

kastofsna
04-08-2006, 11:47 AM
philip rivers 10th best QB in the league?

MorKnolle
04-09-2006, 02:37 AM
Top 10 QB's- Top 10 RB's-

1. Peyton Manning 1. LT
2. Tom Brady 2. Shaun Alexander
3. Carlson Palmer 3. Larry Johnson
4. Ben Rothlisberger 4. Tiki Barber
5. Drew Brees 5. Edgerrin James
6. Trent Green 6. Clinton Portis
7. Daunte Culpepper 7. Rudi Johnson
8. Matt Hasselbeck 8. Willis McGahee
9. Eli Manning 9. Dominic Davis
10. Phillip Rivers 10. Warrick Dunn

I think we are going to be OK with either Bush or Young, but i think i would rather have DD and VY than RB and Carr.
That's just my opinion and i think we would be ok either way.

How in the world did you come up with this QB ranking list?

I sat down and thought about it for a minute and came up with my own list:

QBs
1. Peyton Manning
2. CarsonPalmer
3. Tom Brady
4. Brett Favre
5. Donovan McNabb
6. Drew Brees
7. Matt Hasselbeck
8. Jake Plummer
9. Ben Roethlisberger
10. Michael Vick

RBs
1. Shaun Alexander
2. Larry Johnson
3. LaDanian Tomlinson (I rate him the best overall/most versatile player among the RBs, probably in the whole league, but just in terms of running he's 3rd)
4. Edgerrin James
5. Tiki Barber
6. Clinton Portis
7. Willis McGahee
8. Warrick Dunn
9. Rudi Johnson
10. Corey Dillon

JAXwithanX
04-09-2006, 03:13 AM
Brett Favre at 4? I don't think so man. The Packers are better off with him not coming back even though that pains me to say it. Its obvious even they think so....look what they have done this offseason....they said 'We are going another direction now' without actually saying it.

And Warrick Dunn and Corey Dillion over Davis.....no way. I'm barely going to concede Rudi Johnson.

MorKnolle
04-09-2006, 03:23 AM
Brett Favre at 4? I don't think so man. The Packers are better off with him not coming back even though that pains me to say it. Its obvious even they think so....look what they have done this offseason....they said 'We are going another direction now' without actually saying it.

And Warrick Dunn and Corey Dillion over Davis.....no way. I'm barely going to concede Rudi Johnson.

Favre is still a top 4-5 QB if he had any kind of talent around him, definitely above Eli and Philip Rivers on the previous list, not sure how Rivers would even be mentioned in the top 25 seeing as that he has 30 career attempts in two years.

As for the RBs:
Warrick Dunn: 8321 career rushing yards, 3601 receiving yards in 134 games (89.0 total yards per game) and 53 TDs.
Domanick Davis: 3195 career rushing yards, 1276 receiving yards in 40 games (111.8 total yards per game) and 28 TDs.

I can see an argument there, but Davis has consistently had injury problems while Dunn has played 6 more years while missing about the same total number of games (10-8), plus he put up 1415 yards last year.

As for Corey Dillon, he was hurt a decent portion of this season as well but in 2004 he had 1635 rushing yards and has had three other seasons with 1300+ rushing yards. He is a much more solid RB than Domanick Davis.

Rudi Johnson took over for Dillon the year he got hurt in Cincy and performed well enough to bump Dillon out, and he's had back-to-back 1450 yard seasons since, so he's definitely ahead of Domanick.

I wasn't real fond of putting Dillon on there, but he (along with everyone else on that list) are definitely better than Domanick, maybe some aren't quite as versatile but they're better pure runners which is what Denver's offense thrives on.

Frank_The_Tank
04-09-2006, 03:32 AM
Top 10 QB's- Top 10 RB's-

1. Peyton Manning 1. LT
2. Tom Brady 2. Shaun Alexander
3. Carlson Palmer 3. Larry Johnson
4. Ben Rothlisberger 4. Tiki Barber
5. Drew Brees 5. Edgerrin James
6. Trent Green 6. Clinton Portis
7. Daunte Culpepper 7. Rudi Johnson
8. Matt Hasselbeck 8. Willis McGahee
9. Eli Manning 9. Dominic Davis
10. Phillip Rivers 10. Warrick Dunn

I think we are going to be OK with either Bush or Young, but i think i would rather have DD and VY than RB and Carr.
That's just my opinion and i think we would be ok either way.

I agree, VY + D.Davis sounds 10 times better than Carr + Reggie Bush. Carr is so weak. There are way better QB's in the league who have been cut, and they have had way better seasons than Carr. The only reason they picked up Carr's option was because at the time, there were no credible free agents. If Bob would have known Drew Breese or Daunte Culpepper were going to be available he would have passed on Carrs option in a new york min but at that time they were not and now we are stuck with that looser.

Frank_The_Tank
04-09-2006, 03:37 AM
I can give you five Q"s just of the top of my head who are not top 10 Qb's who are better than Carr - 1. Dilfer 2. Brooks 3. Garcia 4. Collins 5. Schuab