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Mike Kerns
04-07-2006, 08:22 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/texans/3777786.html

IF you've been sniffling into your No. 10 Longhorns jersey since this Bush campaign gained steam and threw you into a blue state, stop it.

The decision has been made. To paraphrase NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue's April 29 comments, with the first pick of the 2006 draft the Houston Texans select Reggie Bush, running back, the University of Southern California.
Dry those tears. It's not about the Texans or anyone doubting Vince Young and never has been. It's about not finding so much as a hint of doubt in anything about Bush. It's about the NFL's greatest football minds studying and analyzing Bush in every way and not finding a flaw in his game or personality. Not so much as a wrinkle in his shirt. Not so much as a hair out of place or a conversation that does not include at least one, "yes sir."

john.lopez@chron.com

bad
04-07-2006, 09:12 AM
Great article!

Can't wait to see this morph into a "trade Carr" thread.

:brickwall

ledzeppelin229
04-07-2006, 09:26 AM
He probably got inspiration for this article (and I didn't read the whole thing yet since I have class at 10) from dealing with Richard Justice on a daily basis for the last few weeks.

GP
04-07-2006, 09:32 AM
nice article. what else is left to say?

this guy is the Michael Jordan of football: he's got the talent, the poise, the charisma, and just an all-around focus on the game that is far beyond his years. he's the type ofplayer that can potentially re-define the NFL and transcend Randy Moss/Michael Vick/Etc.....you know, all the guys who are hyped but have not truly become the innovators they were hyped to be.

Mike Kerns
04-07-2006, 09:52 AM
It's a no brainer! It would be like if the Cavs had opted not to draft LeBron!

tulexan
04-07-2006, 09:59 AM
Lopez is the only writer who liked Bush before the Rose Bowl and never jumped ship to the Vince camp.

jaayteetx
04-07-2006, 10:00 AM
I'me sorry, but what does having a tattoo or not have to do with character?

Bobo
04-07-2006, 10:03 AM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/texans/3777786.html

Is this "can't-miss Bush" in any way related to the other can't misses like Curtis Enis, Archie Griffin and Lawrence Phillips?

Chicagotexan1
04-07-2006, 10:05 AM
Lopez is the only writer who liked Bush before the Rose Bowl and never jumped ship to the Vince camp.

Yeah because he won't let an emotional and irrelevant detail like VY being from Houston cloud his opinion on who the BPA is. It's Reggie Bush. PERIOD.

tulexan
04-07-2006, 10:10 AM
I'me sorry, but what does having a tattoo or not have to do with character?


Nothing, but it is about marketability. Big corporations want the most clean cut person possible.

Reggie is like the Peyton Manning of RBs in terms of clean cutness

Mike Kerns
04-07-2006, 10:12 AM
Yeah because he won't let an emotional and irrelevant detail like VY being from Houston cloud his opinion on who the BPA is. It's Reggie Bush. PERIOD.


Amen.

Bobo
04-07-2006, 10:17 AM
Nothing, but it is about marketability. Big corporations want the most clean cut person possible.

Reggie is like the Peyton Manning of RBs in terms of clean cutness

You're really stretching it here. I don't care how clean-cut a guy is -- the only thing that matters is if the guy is going to win games. And right now, the team needs a much stronger OL and defense for that to happen. RB was productive for them last year and they have a good QB. If they don't trade the pick and get what they really need, the Texans will have another series of bad years -- and that won't do much for Bush's "marketability."

MasterC25
04-07-2006, 12:27 PM
You people act like he is the "second coming". Let me throw a wrench in all this! Give me Jay Cutler and send Carr packing. I can't stand Carr.

:cool:

If you can't stand Carr then get out, don't support the Texans please. Did Carr steal your girl or something. Anyways I think we need less Carr Haters and more supporters anyways. So please feel free to cheer any other team.

DocBar
04-07-2006, 12:34 PM
Why don't we pull a Mike Ditka and trade all of our remaining picks and next years No. 1 pick and draft Bush AND VY? Just thought I'd try a funny one.

Mike Kerns
04-07-2006, 12:37 PM
Why don't we pull a Mike Ditka and trade all of our remaining picks and next years No. 1 pick and draft Bush AND VY? Just thought I'd try a funny one.

I figured out who you are.....Rich Lord ?

Kidding.

DocBar
04-07-2006, 12:54 PM
I figured out who you are.....Rich Lord ?

Kidding.
Be interesting to see if CC reads these boards and actually does something dumb like that!!!

kiwitexansfan
04-07-2006, 02:40 PM
You people act like he is the "second coming". Let me throw a wrench in all this! Give me Jay Cutler and send Carr packing. I can't stand Carr.

:cool:

I didn't realise Matt Millen lurked on our boards.:brickwall

TexanFan881
04-07-2006, 02:51 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that we are getting Bush when we are making threads about what is number is going to be already...

travfrancis
04-07-2006, 02:58 PM
It would be like if the Cavs had opted not to draft LeBron!

i'm sure i'm not the only one in the vy-camp that sees the irony in that statement.

KSig44
04-07-2006, 03:01 PM
But the problem is LeBron was the top player. You think VY is the top player, while the rest of America thinks Bush is the top player. No irony really, just bias.

swtbound07
04-07-2006, 03:02 PM
i'm sure i'm not the only one in the vy-camp that sees the irony in that statement.


nope! i actually was hoping he was being funny when he said that....since lebron is prime example of why you DO draft the hometown talent. but anywho...back to lurking around the political threads

exclude
04-07-2006, 05:14 PM
Is this "can't-miss Bush" in any way related to the other can't misses like Curtis Enis, Archie Griffin and Lawrence Phillips?

Yup, and to other can't misses like Ladanian Tomlinson, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Larry Johnson...

Riley
04-07-2006, 05:20 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/texans/3777786.html

John Lopez is an Aggie. Would you expect anything else from him?

DocBar
04-07-2006, 07:46 PM
John Lopez is an Aggie. Would you expect anything else from him?
I KNEW there was something about that guy I didn't like. LOL

horn_omatic
04-07-2006, 08:43 PM
John Lopez is a tool. He is the Alec Baldwin of sportswriters!

kcwilson
04-07-2006, 09:45 PM
Is this "can't-miss Bush" in any way related to the other can't misses like Curtis Enis, Archie Griffin and Lawrence Phillips?

Ok, how was Phillips can't miss... Dude was on probation in college! There were definitely thoughts about his character.
http://mynptv.org/osborne/biography/bitc03.htm

TexanFan881
04-07-2006, 09:49 PM
nice article. what else is left to say?

this guy is the Michael Jordan of football: he's got the talent, the poise, the charisma, and just an all-around focus on the game that is far beyond his years. he's the type ofplayer that can potentially re-define the NFL and transcend Randy Moss/Michael Vick/Etc.....you know, all the guys who are hyped but have not truly become the innovators they were hyped to be.

What great player hasn't Bush been compared to lol :redtowel:

tulexan
04-07-2006, 09:56 PM
What great player hasn't Bush been compared to lol :redtowel:


Babe Ruth. But to change that, next year he is going to call where he will score a touchdown from the Texans own 10 yard line.

Nighthawk
04-08-2006, 02:07 AM
Nothing, but it is about marketability. Big corporations want the most clean cut person possible.

Reggie is like the Peyton Manning of RBs in terms of clean cutness

Yeah. Or like OJ was. That's the ticket.

The Dude Abides
04-08-2006, 02:10 AM
Yeah. Or like OJ was. That's the ticket.

Well Reggie isn't married. :)

vtech9
04-08-2006, 04:03 AM
But the problem is LeBron was the top player. You think VY is the top player, while the rest of America thinks Bush is the top player. No irony really, just bias.
the thing is, LeBron is the leader of his team just like Jordan was the leader of his. They are/were basically the QB of their respective teams. Bush would be a part-time role player for the team that drafts him, kind of like the 6th man in the NBA. That is the problem that I have with taking Bush with the 1st overall pick in the draft, he's not a full time player.

Running backs have shorter carreers on average than any other position, which is one problem I have with taking Bush 1st. Some say he is an all around player that will field kicks and punts, but I think that if he is the 1st overall pick, there is no way he will be put back there as the KR/PR. As a coach or owner, you just don't put the 1st overall pick back there to risk injury. Besides, we have Jerome Mathis.

Runner
04-08-2006, 10:04 AM
...Bush would be a part-time role player for the team that drafts him, kind of like the 6th man in the NBA. That is the problem that I have with taking Bush with the 1st overall pick in the draft, he's not a full time player...

This is not a true statement. I'd put it right up there with "a running back has to average 25 carries a game to succeed". The good news is that Bush's full time status will solve the problem you have with him - or is there something else?

dalemurphy
04-08-2006, 12:56 PM
Is this "can't-miss Bush" in any way related to the other can't misses like Curtis Enis, Archie Griffin and Lawrence Phillips?

I can't speak directly to Archie Griffin, but certainly Curtis Enis and Lawrence Phillips were never considered "can't miss" prospects. There were all kinds of questions regarding Phillps' character before the draft. And Enis, if I recall, went 5th.

Of course there have been busts in the first round but if you want a list of prospects comparable to Bush, try this one:

Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Tony Dorsett... he is in this category as a prospect coming out of college. So, if your point is that he could be a disapointment, I agree. I would say Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson both underachieved in the NFL. But, the talent, ability, and work ethic with this group and with Bush clearly lead most experts to the belief that he could be a very special player.

vtech9
04-08-2006, 01:03 PM
This is not a true statement. I'd put it right up there with "a running back has to average 25 carries a game to succeed". The good news is that Bush's full time status will solve the problem you have with him - or is there something else?
Ok, explain to me how Bush will be a full time player. He will be splitting time in the backfield with DD & Morrency, and on some of those plays he will be motioning out to the slot as a decoy. So, I don't see where he will be a full-time player. Please enlighten me.

tulexan
04-08-2006, 01:10 PM
Ok, explain to me how Bush will be a full time player. He will be splitting time in the backfield with DD & Morrency, and on some of those plays he will be motioning out to the slot as a decoy. So, I don't see where he will be a full-time player. Please enlighten me.


Reggie said in his press conference how the Texans have said how they will use him. He will primarily be a running back, but will also line up as a receiver, and will return punts and kicks. I don't think he will return kicks, but I do think that he will get some time on punt returns.

He won't be a full time player at one position, but he will be a full time player on the field.

PapaL
04-08-2006, 01:16 PM
Name one running back that took EVERY snap for his team last year. They are all technically part time backs unless they play every single offensive play (which doesnt happen). So this part time player theory is crazy.

vtech9
04-08-2006, 01:22 PM
Name one running back that took EVERY snap for his team last year. They are all technically part time backs unless they play every single offensive play (which doesnt happen). So this part time player theory is crazy.
and that is why running backs aren't typically taken with the 1st overall pick in the NFL

Runner
04-08-2006, 01:24 PM
Ok, explain to me how Bush will be a full time player. He will be splitting time in the backfield with DD & Morrency, and on some of those plays he will be motioning out to the slot as a decoy. So, I don't see where he will be a full-time player. Please enlighten me.

So if he's on the field but doesn't get the ball that means he's part time?

Maybe I need some clarification from you on your definition of "part-time". If you mean he will be on the bench 50% of the offensive plays, you are in error.

If you consider being in on "only" 90% of the offensive plays part time, then I guess you're right, by your definition.

Any splitting of time that gets Morency on the field will probably come from Davis's carries, not Bushes. Yes this is my opinion, but it is no more "opinion" than your part time back statement.

tulexan
04-08-2006, 01:25 PM
I guess Randy Moss and TO are part time players too. They don't get every catch and they are on the field as decoys for a lot of plays.

Runner
04-08-2006, 01:29 PM
Anyway, I'll take a back who gets his 100 yards in, say, 18 carries over the tough as nails workhorse who gets the same yardages in 23 carries. That give our other players more chances to make their yardage. More offensie plays, higher average per play, more time off the clock...

vtech9
04-08-2006, 01:35 PM
So if he's on the field but doesn't get the ball that means he's part time?

Maybe I need some clarification from you on your definition of "part-time". If you mean he will be on the bench 50% of the offensive plays, you are in error.

If you consider being in on "only" 90% of the offensive plays part time, then I guess you're right, by your definition.

Any splitting of time that gets Morency on the field will probably come from Davis's carries, not Bushes. Yes this is my opinion, but it is no more "opinion" than your part time back statement.
That is where we disagree. I think Davis gets the bulk of the carries, with Bush splitting carries with Morrency.

Texans_Chick
04-08-2006, 01:39 PM
There are so many goofy posts from various points of view that it pains me.

The truth is that if the experts on the draft and the various NFL teams can't reliably pick who is going to succeed or fail, what makes you think a bunch of us MB folks can?

Reggie Bush and Vince Young were both phenomenal college players. Projecting how they can do in the NFL, long term is a difficult proposition, dependant on team fit, work ethic, coaching and injuries among other things. It is very possible given the potential that you saw in their college careers that they could be all the Michael Jordaneque superlatives that people want to paint them with and a bag of chips. It is also possible that the unexpected could happen and they could be ginormous busts.

So, at least to me, a lot of times I read these posts here not in the here and now but how they might be read 3 years from now and how unintentionally funny they would be if the poster guessed wrong. Because that is what all this stuff is--guesses, some more educated than others. I know I've prolly done my share of these possibly unintentionally funny posts, though I do try to be realistic.

You know all the "Can't Miss" posts. Including Lopez.

All the whoevertheotherguy sucks posts.

I guess people want to be able to say that they called their shots, but some of the reaching and justifying that goes on with that shot calling gets kinda goofy.

I have to say one of my favorite MB threads was the one where everyone fessed up on predictions they were completely out to lunch with. Because at this time of year it really is hard to keep perspective--especially when you have the first pick of THIS draft, as opposed to 2002.

tulexan
04-08-2006, 01:40 PM
I think the only way that Morency gets on the fields is if Bush or Davis are injured, if someone is winded because of a long play, or if we decide to rest one of them because of a blow out or dare I say clinched playoff berth.

infantrycak
04-08-2006, 01:46 PM
That is where we disagree. I think Davis gets the bulk of the carries, with Bush splitting carries with Morrency.

If Bush and DD are healthy, Morency will see very few carries. Denver's 3rd RB was only in the game for 10% of the carries on the year.

El Amigo Invisible
04-08-2006, 09:38 PM
If Bush and DD are healthy, Morency will see very few carries. Denver's 3rd RB was only in the game for 10% of the carries on the year.
Is there a possiblity that we might trade Morency ? If we draft Bushy?

infantrycak
04-09-2006, 06:52 AM
Is there a possiblity that we might trade Morency ? If we draft Bushy?

Doubtful. Most teams have at least three half backs on their rosters. With Hollings and Wells gone it looks like the three would be Bush, DD and Morency.

TexanFan881
04-09-2006, 09:18 AM
Doubtful. Most teams have at least three half backs on their rosters. With Hollings and Wells gone it looks like the three would be Bush, DD and Morency.

That's a great set of backs there in Bush, DD, and Morency. Morency could probably be the #2 back on some teams. If someone gets hurt Morency can probably get some carries and I think he will be able to do decent if needed.

Tejaspro
04-09-2006, 10:57 AM
the thing is, LeBron is the leader of his team just like Jordan was the leader of his. They are/were basically the QB of their respective teams. Bush would be a part-time role player for the team that drafts him, kind of like the 6th man in the NBA. That is the problem that I have with taking Bush with the 1st overall pick in the draft, he's not a full time player.

Running backs have shorter carreers on average than any other position, which is one problem I have with taking Bush 1st. Some say he is an all around player that will field kicks and punts, but I think that if he is the 1st overall pick, there is no way he will be put back there as the KR/PR. As a coach or owner, you just don't put the 1st overall pick back there to risk injury. Besides, we have Jerome Mathis.

vtech9,

Who told you that Bush is a "part time role player"? Are you basing that on his usage at USC? If he had been playing for the U of H, do you think he would have played a "part time role" on his team? If the U of H had the other talent that played on USC's team, would you have played him every down and let the other talent sit on the bench? Or would you have use all your weapons? I doubt that Kubiak sees Bush as a "part time role player".

As far as "running backs" having shorter careers....Tony Banks played a lot longer than Gayle Sayers. And I'm sure Gayle Sayers used up a lot more of the owner's money, too. If that's your criteria, this draft could be really easy. :twocents:

Tejaspro
04-09-2006, 11:22 AM
That is where we disagree. I think Davis gets the bulk of the carries, with Bush splitting carries with Morrency.


Whatever you're smoking.... please bring enough for everyone. That way we can all have a good laugh at your perspective.:yahoo:

nunusguy
04-09-2006, 11:51 AM
If Bush and DD are healthy, Morency will see very few carries. Denver's 3rd RB was only in the game for 10% of the carries on the year.
Drafting Bush, if it does happen, will be a very bad break for Morency. And I'm
not feeling bad for DD, because he got a big break when they gave him a
new and lucrative contract at the "beginning" of last year instead of waiting
for the season to end. With Houston getting the #1 and immediately starting to consider Bush, I really think they would have kept Morency and delt DD since he would have been so much more marketable without a big, new contract.
Plus Morency is simply a better pure RB than DD, who has already gone farther in the NFL, career wise and financially, than most anyone would
have predicted he would. But Morency is now the odd man out as the 3rd stringer and he may suffer the same kind of fate Ragone has at QB.

infantrycak
04-09-2006, 12:24 PM
Plus Morency is simply a better pure RB than DD...

I see glimpses of what might result in Morency becoming a better RB than DD but at this point he isn't a better NFL RB than DD. Morency still has a lot to learn about when to cut/when to bounce, what kind of moves work at his athletic level in the NFL and how to finish off runs before he is better than DD. One of the things that had to surprise everyone from Casserly on down was how NFL ready DD was in his running coming out of college despite backing up a bigger RB and only having 193 carries his senior year.

bad
04-09-2006, 04:40 PM
...One of the things that had to surprise everyone from Casserly on down was how NFL ready DD was in his running coming out of college despite backing up a bigger RB and only having 193 carries his senior year. He sure surprised me. When you stop to think about it, he's been the most consistent offensive force in the history of the Houston Texans franchise.

I hope and believe that Kubiak will have no problem keeping DD a force out of the backfield even with Bush in the mix, and the defensive attention that must be paid to Bush will be a breath of fresh air for not just DD, but every other member of the offense.

TEXANRED
04-09-2006, 05:07 PM
I liked the artical but have a question. Did we get rid of Morency? Doesnt he have 34? If there is any number Bush would wear I would have to guess 21, after LT.

Texas
04-09-2006, 09:58 PM
Ummm I remember hearing that there was one thing they didnt like about RB...Its the fact that he puts his area code to repersent under his eye...:spy: ...I say screw it hes a G