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YodAa
04-03-2006, 09:54 PM
People keeping talking about how Bush won't fill any of our needs and what not, but when its a player like Bush theres a reason why the whole "needs" thing goes out the window. Bush is the Barry Sanders of this decade, that means his type of talent only comes around every 10-15 years and we have the 1st overall pick so then why the heck skip it?!

This is where you say we have bigger needs

and this is where Ima make you think, alright? You takin notes?

We're in a rebuilinding mode so don't kid yourself by thinking we're gonna make the playoffs. If you're still thinking that then get outa ur football immaturity for a second or you won't understand. We won't make the playoffs, we probably will end up towards the bottom of the league yet again and yeah I know miracles can happen but how often do they? Basing my whole theory on the fact that we end up in the top 10 again then thats where we get our Stud OL. Don't think I'm rooting for us to fail, but we got LB DL OL TE WR S and CB problems. Theres no way in the world Kubiak will be able to fix that in just one year. But S and LB can be fixed easily and I'd expect at least one of those 2 to be fixed in this draft. TE as well I beleive will be fixed in this draft in the sorta of way the Bucs fixed their TE thing by getting Alex Smith in the later rounds. And WR IMO is about 80% fixed already. So that leaves OL DL and CB to be done. The DL won't be address this year since the coaches need to see what Babin, Peek, Johnson, and all our new DEs can do. That'll be left for 07. At CB I think they'll give PBuc another chance and posibly draft another CB in the later rounds. So OL will still be the thing. Look for maybe an OT or OG to be taken with one of the 3rds but possibly only 1 maybe 2. Why? That way if Carr craps up again, they'll still have the same excuse AND will get a shot at drafting a stud OT, maybe Joe Thomas? In the 07 draft.

I just wrote this in about 5 minutes at 10 45 after taking a shower, if I rambled on or didnt make total sense just ask me and ill explain again.

el toro
04-03-2006, 09:58 PM
Another way is that a team is going to need to spy on Bush on every down. That should pull a LB or SS away from the line on any number of downs. Add to that the downfield threats that will not enable defenses to keep more guys closer to the line. TE is going to be quite significant in this regard.

kiwitexansfan
04-03-2006, 10:00 PM
teams don't spy on RB they may game plan for them but they just play defense.....

He is just a running back.... a good one.... perhaps a great one.... but still just a piece in a bigger puzzle

angeltexus
04-03-2006, 10:03 PM
People keeping talking about how Bush won't fill any of our needs and what not, but when its a player like Bush theres a reason why the whole "needs" thing goes out the window. Bush is the Barry Sanders of this decade, that means his type of talent only comes around every 10-15 years and we have the 1st overall pick so then why the heck skip it?!

This is where you say we have bigger needs

and this is where Ima make you think, alright? You takin notes?

We're in a rebuilinding mode so don't kid yourself by thinking we're gonna make the playoffs. If you're still thinking that then get outa ur football immaturity for a second or you won't understand. We won't make the playoffs, we probably will end up towards the bottom of the league yet again and yeah I know miracles can happen but how often do they? Basing my whole theory on the fact that we end up in the top 10 again then thats where we get our Stud OL. Don't think I'm rooting for us to fail, but we got LB DL OL TE WR S and CB problems. Theres no way in the world Kubiak will be able to fix that in just one year. But S and LB can be fixed easily and I'd expect at least one of those 2 to be fixed in this draft. TE as well I beleive will be fixed in this draft in the sorta of way the Bucs fixed their TE thing by getting Alex Smith in the later rounds. And WR IMO is about 80% fixed already. So that leaves OL DL and CB to be done. The DL won't be address this year since the coaches need to see what Babin, Peek, Johnson, and all our new DEs can do. That'll be left for 07. At CB I think they'll give PBuc another chance and posibly draft another CB in the later rounds. So OL will still be the thing. Look for maybe an OT or OG to be taken with one of the 3rds but possibly only 1 maybe 2. Why? That way if Carr craps up again, they'll still have the same excuse AND will get a shot at drafting a stud OT, maybe Joe Thomas? In the 07 draft.

I just wrote this in about 5 minutes at 10 45 after taking a shower, if I rambled on or didnt make total sense just ask me and ill explain again.
I will agree it will take at least three years before we get really good with Vince Young, but with Bush a Decade with 5 diffrent quarterbacks see Detroit, Chicago for them stats.:drool:

el toro
04-03-2006, 10:03 PM
teams don't spy on RB they may game plan for them but they just play defense.....

He is just a running back.... a good one.... perhaps a great one.... but still just a piece in a bigger puzzle


Then who is going to pick him up if he moves into the slot? Having guys who are downfield threats at RB and TE is going to take some pressure off that Oline.

TreWardTxn
04-03-2006, 10:18 PM
Huh? There's a chicken-egg deal going on; in order for threats to get downfield, the O-line must be solid enough to hold blocks. I heard one coach say the way DCs will try to neutralize Bush from getting out of the backfield is by overloading blitzes to his side and forcing him to block. It seems that would open up opportunities to Bush with dump-offs or free up AJ in single coverage, but if he can't pick up the blitz, it won't be pretty...

Runner
04-03-2006, 10:25 PM
Huh? There's a chicken-egg deal going on; in order for threats to get downfield, the O-line must be solid enough to hold blocks. I heard one coach say the way DCs will try to neutralize Bush from getting out of the backfield is by overloading blitzes to his side and forcing him to block. It seems that would open up opportunities to Bush with dump-offs or free up AJ in single coverage, but if he can't pick up the blitz, it won't be pretty...

An offense that adjusts to the defense can take advantage of that, and other, types of defensive schemes if it has sufficient weapons at its disposal.

tulexan
04-03-2006, 10:25 PM
How do we have a TE problem?

We just signed Putzier

kiwitexansfan
04-03-2006, 10:39 PM
Then who is going to pick him up if he moves into the slot? Having guys who are downfield threats at RB and TE is going to take some pressure off that Oline.

The same guy who would pick up DD if he moved out into the slot...

Texans_Chick
04-03-2006, 10:43 PM
According to nfl.com.....

Last year, a year where the Texans offense was in disarray, our offensive coordinator was fired in week 3, we couldn't move down the field, our total offense was ranked 30th, our offensive line was an unfun game of musical chairs due to significant injuries and poor play, our #1 WR was hurt most of the season, our #1 RB was hurt for a portion of it, our QB spent most 3rd and longs in the fetal position, <catch my breath> our run offense was ranked.......


15th.


Middle of the pack. Really. 15th. If you watched the games last season, don't you find that surprising as heck???? Surprises me given how many times in games the Texans were behind.

If the Texans run offense was 15, with all those problems, I am guessing with a Reggie Bush and some new personnel and some quality coaching, maybe that 15 gets a little better. If that 15 gets a little better, you would hope that it makes your throwing game a little easier too.

I am not saying miracles are gonna happen next season--I am realistic in how hard it is to get teams to change gears, learn a new system and become a team. It is so much easier adding on to stuff that you already know than learning a new way of doing things. I think that is something that people tend to gloss over when looking at a coaching change.

But, what it does give me is some hope for our Oline some. Getting a better zone block going on and getting more used to it. Getting players playing in positions they are more comfortable in. That 15 and some more depth gives our Oline some hope.

Sleep well, my friends. :redtowel:

TexansLucky13
04-03-2006, 10:50 PM
If you watched the games last season, don't you find that surprising as heck????

Im not surprised. What were we supposed to do, give the ball to Carr so many times that we had net passing yards in the negative numbers? All we could do was run, and we even had an offensive line that knew how to work with the run.... somewhat. DD was out but J Wells and Morency are very good 2nd and 3rd string HBs....

I remember being at the Colts game and seeing them hand it to Morency. He did an excellent job. We were tied with the Colts (who were on their 13 game winning streak at the time, but this was only game 6 i believe), 14-14 at Halftime. For those of you who were there... you remember what it was like. The idea that we could beat the Colts was enough to stir a riot. You could feel the excitement pouring off of the people around you. I stood for the 3rd Quarter... but thats when it got ugly. I had faith... but it was our notorious 4th quarter stinkage that killed a good many games. Mathis got his first TD Return that day.

By the way.... I called Mathis's second TD Return. I stood up, shouted "Third times a charm!" And boom, he juked three Chiefs out of their shoes before rolling into the endzone.

TreWardTxn
04-03-2006, 10:52 PM
An offense that adjusts to the defense can take advantage of that, and other, types of defensive schemes if it has sufficient weapons at its disposal.

Yeah, you can take advantage of it. I was just saying having guys who can receive downfield doesn't make it any easier for the O-line to block, it makes them block longer...

el toro
04-03-2006, 11:17 PM
The same guy who would pick up DD if he moved out into the slot...


But DD is in the backfield...

wags
04-03-2006, 11:29 PM
our run offense was ranked.......


15th.


Middle of the pack. Really. 15th. If you watched the games last season, don't you find that surprising as heck???? Surprises me given how many times in games the Texans were behind.

The one thing that people should realize is that Carr accounts for 308 of those rushing yards. If you rank our ground game on running backs alone then we ranked 25th in rushing. :twocents:

Runner
04-04-2006, 05:00 AM
Yeah, you can take advantage of it. I was just saying having guys who can receive downfield doesn't make it any easier for the O-line to block, it makes them block longer...

My point is if that is what the defense does, then having a coach who can adjust the offense to get the ball to a guy who can catch a 7 yard pass in the area the blitzers vacated and take it 60 yards for a touchdown:

a) doesn't require the line to hold back the blitz for a long

b) slows down the blitz very quickly

powerfuldragon
04-04-2006, 08:39 AM
With bush on the team, at least we'll be guaranteed more time on sportscenter.

YodAa
04-04-2006, 03:57 PM
I dont agree at all with that statement.

how is it not rebuilding if over the last 2 years if you've cut at least 7 of your starters and are trying to replace them? All the while your also trying to find a permanant starter for at least another 5 positions? Thats 12 player and if you add in the constant reshuffeling of the OL Thats 17 outa 22 starters. Most of the OL will be raplaced so how in the world is that not rebulding? Just because our 4 main draft guys are still here doesnt mean the rest of the team isnt rebuilding.