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Texans#1
04-01-2006, 09:17 AM
Ok guys what do you think the Texans new Head Coach Gary Kublak will do will it hurt the Texans or Help Them.

sprtsfanatic
04-01-2006, 10:58 AM
Ok guys what do you think the Texans new Head Coach Gary Kublak will do will it hurt the Texans or Help Them.

I dont think you could hurt our 2-14 team anymore than they hurt themselves last season, but so far with the moves that have been made in FA can only be seen as positive steps for this franchise...not to mention the draft being a few weeks away will add a host of new potential starting talents to our roster to add competition and hopefully some upgraded talent/or some talented depth to help this team in the long run as well as the short term (upcoming season).

Bobo
04-01-2006, 11:09 AM
Ok guys what do you think the Texans new Head Coach Gary Kublak will do will it hurt the Texans or Help Them.

Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

texan279
04-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

lol:

TexanFanInCC
04-01-2006, 12:03 PM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

even then, we HAVE addressed all the important areas that u mentioned, defense and o-line. how the heck is TE not important a priority to you?? u think joppru can be healthy enough. the guy is totally raw and he would have to work himself back into playing shape. o yeah i think marcellus rivers is the answer :ok: (jk of course) o yeah last i checked, kubes wasnt addressing the QB situation. :mag:

Texan Asylum
04-01-2006, 12:09 PM
Kubiak will get his first Super Bowl ring as a Head Coach in a Texans shirt.

TexanFan881
04-01-2006, 12:12 PM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

This has to be an April Fool's Day joke.

the wonger need food
04-01-2006, 12:48 PM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

Hey Dom, shouldn't you be looking at game tape or something?

WR, QB and TE have been a problem on this team for a while, in case you haven't noticed.

The offensive line and defense have been addressed as much as any other area. You're coaching staff was more of a problem than the personnel. Now go run some other team into the ground.

bdiddy
04-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.

Nice to hear from you Dom!

Bobo
04-01-2006, 01:34 PM
Nice to hear from you Dom!

Just the facts, ma'am.

texasguy346
04-01-2006, 01:36 PM
Nice to hear from you Dom!

I think it's more likely that he's Jeff Fisher. Guess the new guy is a little threatening to him.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Hey Dom, shouldn't you be looking at game tape or something?

WR, QB and TE have been a problem on this team for a while, in case you haven't noticed.

The offensive line and defense have been addressed as much as any other area. You're coaching staff was more of a problem than the personnel. Now go run some other team into the ground.

You obviously need to be watching some game film yourself. TE has never been a problem for this team -- they have used the TE to stay in and block because the real problem for this team, the OL, needed and still needs help. WR has not been a problem because the WRs they've had haven't even been able to run their routes before Carr gets sacked due to the OL play. And Carr has been just fine. The OL hasn't been addressed at all except for Flanagan. It's basically the same guys they had last year. Same wit the defense. Now go watch your game film and catch up.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 01:38 PM
I think it's more likely that he's Jeff Fisher. Guess the new guy is a little threatening to him.

Failure to address my points noted.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 01:41 PM
even then, we HAVE addressed all the important areas that u mentioned, defense and o-line. how the heck is TE not important a priority to you?? u think joppru can be healthy enough. the guy is totally raw and he would have to work himself back into playing shape. o yeah i think marcellus rivers is the answer :ok: (jk of course) o yeah last i checked, kubes wasnt addressing the QB situation. :mag:

How can you say they have addressed the defense and OL? It's basically the same group of folks that were out there last year! And until they fix the OL problem, the LAST thing they need is a pass catching TE when the TE needs to be back there helping protect Carr. And you better check again. Kubiak went out for some reason and got Rosenfelds -- as though Tony Banks and Dave Ragone weren't better than he was anyway.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 01:43 PM
This has to be an April Fool's Day joke.

There is nothing wrong with taking off cheerleading skirts, putting down pom poms and assessing the situation for what it is rather than look at the thing through rose-colored glasses and engaging in wishful thinking.

OzzO
04-01-2006, 02:28 PM
Bobo is right, we shouldn't have brought in an offensive minded coach to head up the Texans since we were doing so well with our previous defensive minded coach in the past. The players were all on board with the previous game planing and you could tell the confidence just brimming over the top from the moment they stepped on the field. Heck, you could just read the excitment on the boards from the way the Texans were playing - amazing strategy was used.... especially to move players into positions they weren't suited to play or have had very little previouse experience at. Capers was a master with his experience of the offensive line. </sarcasm>

Bobo, you oughta inform the class on what players you would've brought in for the offensive line, or how you would've focused strictly on that, in case the naive Kubiak or Sherman read these boards.

By the way, Texans#1 - back to your post, I think he's gonna help the Texans. May not be an immediate impact, but at least there's optimism (mostly) on these boards which we haven't seen in a while. Going after players that were apprantly at the tops of his list, and acquiring most, shows that he's getting some veterans in here for the immediate band-aid while he works in the newer players a little at a time. It appears he's working this correctly for the long haul

el toro
04-01-2006, 02:31 PM
How can you say they have addressed the defense and OL? It's basically the same group of folks that were out there last year! And until they fix the OL problem, the LAST thing they need is a pass catching TE when the TE needs to be back there helping protect Carr. And you better check again. Kubiak went out for some reason and got Rosenfelds -- as though Tony Banks and Dave Ragone weren't better than he was anyway.


Yeah, it's the same basic line, minus the new center, McKinney moving to LG, draft pick(s) and a brand new scheme.

el toro
04-01-2006, 02:34 PM
Anyways, some fans live to be bitter. They'd rather have years of sucking to gripe about instead of a SB win. I can see it now, if the Texans get on the cusp of making the playoffs then the gripes will turn from 'this team led by its inexperienced coaching staff will only win 3 games if they're lucky' to 'their ineptitude cost them a playoff berth'...and so on.

Go pickup a 12 pack of the Beast at the local quickie mart and get hammered if life is that horrible.

Kaiser Toro
04-01-2006, 02:38 PM
Not sure, but since his name is on it he better manage this team to four wins next year.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 02:39 PM
Bobo is right, we shouldn't have brought in an offensive minded coach to head up the Texans since we were doing so well with our previous defensive minded coach in the past. The players were all on board with the previous game planing and you could tell the confidence just brimming over the top from the moment they stepped on the field. Heck, you could just read the excitment on the boards from the way the Texans were playing - amazing strategy was used.... especially to move players into positions they weren't suited to play or have had very little previouse experience at. Capers was a master with his experience of the offensive line. </sarcasm>

Bobo, you oughta inform the class on what players you would've brought in for the offensive line, or how you would've focused strictly on that, in case the naive Kubiak or Sherman read these boards.

By the way, Texans#1 - back to your post, I think he's gonna help the Texans. May not be an immediate impact, but at least there's optimism (mostly) on these boards which we haven't seen in a while. Going after players that were apprantly at the tops of his list, and acquiring most, shows that he's getting some veterans in here for the immediate band-aid while he works in the newer players a little at a time. It appears he's working this correctly for the long haul

Your attempt at sarcasm would come off a little bit better if you were more accurate about what I said. I never griped about him being offensive or defensive minded. I did say he wasn't right for the job, but this offensive minded stuff came from your mind, not mind. And let me point out to you once again that Capers had a fine record with this team of rejects and raw rookies. Every single year, he led this team way above its talent level until last year, when he had a bad year -- as if Cowher and Holmgren never had one of those. And to say that Capers lost the team is not true. I was there when the Texans were down by a bunch at halftime vs. KC and they came out all fired up for the second half. When you can keep a team into the game in that circumstance, it certainly is not true to say he lost the team. And to criticize Capers for moving players around is laughable. At the time, people were demanding he make changes. So he makes changes, and people criticize him for making those alterations! Plus, talk to Bill Bellicik about how he uses Troy Brown. As for the OL, I have said many times that the Texans need to use most of their draft on the OL and defense and see which guys pan out. Wasting capital on backup QBs, pass-catching TEs, RBs and old WRs is just that -- a waste of investment and a waste of time. If Kubiak or Sherman are reading this, as you imply, then listen up: "This isn't fantasy football. It's the NFL where line play rules. So stop playing games with positions you are already strong in and start getting bodies that can move people around." Or maybe you could deliver that message for me. Thanks.

el toro
04-01-2006, 02:44 PM
As for the OL, I have said many times that the Texans need to use most of their draft on the OL and defense and see which guys pan out. Wasting capital on backup QBs, pass-catching TEs, RBs and old WRs is just that -- a waste of investment and a waste of time. If Kubiak or Sherman are reading this, as you imply, then listen up: "This isn't fantasy football. It's the NFL where line play rules. So stop playing games with positions you are already strong in and start getting bodies that can move people around." Or maybe you could deliver that message for me. Thanks.

So you devote free agency to paying overpriced linemen and then you have limited downfield options.

They have no ignored the line, not by a longshot. It's not like Denver's line was built primarily with high priced free agents. You have to have a scheme and you have to have the talent to be able to make that scheme work. Yeah, if you love Capers as you do then paying for a quality receiving TE might seem like a waste.

OzzO
04-01-2006, 02:51 PM
Your attempt at sarcasm would come off a little bit better if you were more accurate about what I said.......Thanks.

True, because Capers' 18-46 "fine record" here was something to marvel at. Agree on the KC game - that was amazing, what about the others that the lead was the Texans and was then lost? Was he able to keep the team in the game then? And if you're noting that the Texans should use most of the draft on OL and defense... well, we're not quite to the draft yet. Oh, and you're welcome.

el toro
04-01-2006, 02:56 PM
True, because Capers' 18-46 "fine record" here was something to marvel at. Agree on the KC game - that was amazing, what about the others that the lead was the Texans and was then lost? Was he able to keep the team in the game then? And if you're noting that the Texans should use most of the draft on OL and defense... well, we're not quite to the draft yet. Oh, and you're welcome.

...and the reason the team will be free to use the picks in rounds 2 through 7 on the O-line and defense is because of their moves in free agency. Which, of course, were spurred on by the new HC.

OzzO
04-01-2006, 03:00 PM
Preach on brutha' Toro.

GP
04-01-2006, 03:04 PM
read this story for an inside look at the MAN we hired:

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DEN/5701519

no rah-rah Knute Rockne speeches, no tired cliches of "we just need to execute out there...", none of that worn out rhetoric.

just a guy who wants to win, and who will spend his own personal time and genuine energy to getting it done. a little less talk, and a lot more action as the country song goes.......

Bobo
04-01-2006, 03:06 PM
just a guy who wants to win, and who will spend his own personal time and genuine energy to getting it done. a little less talk, and a lot more action as the country song goes.......

Sounds like an apt description of Dom Capers -- and every other coach in the NFL, for that matter.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 03:12 PM
So you devote free agency to paying overpriced linemen and then you have limited downfield options.

They have no ignored the line, not by a longshot. It's not like Denver's line was built primarily with high priced free agents. You have to have a scheme and you have to have the talent to be able to make that scheme work. Yeah, if you love Capers as you do then paying for a quality receiving TE might seem like a waste.

I wouldn't call Andre Johnson, D-Davis and Gaffney "limited downfield options" at all. As for "overpriced linemen," well, when somebody's good you pay for them. I'd rather see them put their money and efforts into something they need rather than something they don't need. And I dispute your statement that they have not ignored the line. They have brought in one starting center who has already been around for 11 years and won't be around all that long. How is that addressing a five-player problem? This team certainly does NOT need to pay for a pass-catching WR until they get the offensive line problem dealt with -- that acquisition was a waste. As for the OL problems, it's hard to say if it was the scheme or the players. Capers said the OL just had to gel and stayed with the same folks. Now apparently Kubiak is basically staying with the same players and claiming that it was the schemes of the previous regime. In both cases, the OL is standing pat and if that continues, you are going to have the same results. It's time to bring in some bodies who can move people -- a lot of bodies -- and then see who can get the job done.

Texas
04-01-2006, 03:14 PM
He has already helped them alot...Things will only get better...Go Kubes!

el toro
04-01-2006, 03:20 PM
I wouldn't call Andre Johnson, D-Davis and Gaffney "limited downfield options" at all. As for "overpriced linemen," well, when somebody's good you pay for them. I'd rather see them put their money and efforts into something they need rather than something they don't need. And I dispute your statement that they have not ignored the line. They have brought in one starting center who has already been around for 11 years and won't be around all that long. How is that addressing a five-player problem? This team certainly does NOT need to pay for a pass-catching WR until they get the offensive line problem dealt with -- that acquisition was a waste. As for the OL problems, it's hard to say if it was the scheme or the players. Capers said the OL just had to gel and stayed with the same folks. Now apparently Kubiak is basically staying with the same players and claiming that it was the schemes of the previous regime. In both cases, the OL is standing pat and if that continues, you are going to have the same results. It's time to bring in some bodies who can move people -- a lot of bodies -- and then see who can get the job done.


Again, the line has not been ignored. Gaffney was such a great option that AJ was double teamed right and left. Anyways, with AJ, DD and JG that gives you at most 3 and usually 2 downfield options. With Kubiak's O you are looking at 4, routinely.

Geez, trying to make two downfield options seem to be something other than mediocre sounds just like Capers.

whiskeyrbl
04-01-2006, 03:21 PM
There is nothing wrong with taking off cheerleading skirts, putting down pom poms and assessing the situation for what it is rather than look at the thing through rose-colored glasses and engaging in wishful thinking.

You sound more like a heartbroke soul looking through the bottom of an empty Wild Turkey bottle wanting to blast every positive thought that anyone has. I have an idea why don't you stop surfing thru the MB for a while pick up the yellow pages and find a good Dr. that specializes in depression. Trust me things are nowhere as bad as you seem to think.:twocents:

Bobo
04-01-2006, 03:25 PM
You sound more like a heartbroke soul looking through the bottom of an empty Wild Turkey bottle wanting to blast every positive thought that anyone has. I have an idea why don't you stop surfing thru the MB for a while pick up the yellow pages and find a good Dr. that specializes in depression. Trust me things are nowhere as bad as you seem to think.:twocents:

A.) Straying from the point and insulting is a violation of protocol on this board. B.) Failure to address the points presented duly noted.

el toro
04-01-2006, 03:26 PM
Before I forget, it's not like Kubiak wasn't one of the most highly sought after assistant coaches to become a head coach prior to this offseason. He could've had a number of head coaching opportunities but he chose to come here.

whiskeyrbl
04-01-2006, 03:27 PM
A.) Straying from the point and insulting is a violation of protocol on this board. B.) Failure to address the points presented duly noted.

Sorry I DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY!!!!! Kubiak is/will do just fine.Is that better?

Bobo
04-01-2006, 03:32 PM
Again, the line has not been ignored. Gaffney was such a great option that AJ was double teamed right and left. Anyways, with AJ, DD and JG that gives you at most 3 and usually 2 downfield options. With Kubiak's O you are looking at 4, routinely.

Geez, trying to make two downfield options seem to be something other than mediocre sounds just like Capers.

A.) Saying it hasn't ignored and not giving specific reasons (more than one old guy, please) doesn't make it so. B.) AJ would have been double-teamed no matter who the second WR was. C.) Gaffney was fairly productive when AJ wasn't there. D.) If the QB can't deliver the ball because the pass rush is all over him, then it doesn't matter who the options are downfield anyway, does it? E.) I mentioned the WR1, WR2 and RB options downfield. Obviously you can bring in guys like Armstrong and others at any time. The downfield options were there, and numerous at that. Those were not the problem, as everybody knows. F.) With Kubiak, you are potentially looking at 0 options downfield because you are pulling a guy used to bolster a weak OL and sending him out to run ridiculous patterns that he won't even complete when the pass rush crushes Carr. Kubiak is making a bad problem even worse.

bad
04-01-2006, 03:36 PM
Before I forget, it's not like Kubiak wasn't one of the most highly sought after assistant coaches to become a head coach prior to this offseason. He could've had a number of head coaching opportunities but he chose to come here. That's a good point and it begs the question "Why choose the Texans?" Only Kubiak and his loyal, oft-suffering, non-English speaking assistant Kato knows for sure, but we can speculate.

Was it the chance to coach Reggie Bush? The challenge of bringing out the best in David Carr? The opportunity to come home to Houston? All three? Two of three? How about four out of seven? Double or nothing.

Or a baby's arm holding an apple?

:drool:

Anyway, I'm glad he's here. This team needed a shakeup, and not just concerning the guys wearing the pads. I'm full of hope for the coming season, and much of that optimism stems from the coaching changes.

el toro
04-01-2006, 03:38 PM
A.) Saying it hasn't ignored and not giving specific reasons (more than one old guy, please) doesn't make it so.


Funny, you've been doing that in all of your posts. I've already explained how the line was improved at least 3 times now.



B.) AJ would have been double-teamed no matter who the second WR was.


Now why is that? Might it have something to do with the fact that the other downfield options were weak?



C.) Gaffney was fairly productive when AJ wasn't there.


Unknown receiver makes a few grabs. BFD.



D.) If the QB can't deliver the ball because the pass rush is all over him, then it doesn't matter who the options are downfield anyway, does it?


Again, they have not ignored the line this offseason. Somehow you've yet to grasp that.



E.) I mentioned the WR1, WR2 and RB options downfield. Obviously you can bring in guys like Armstrong and others at any time. The downfield options were there, and numerous at that. Those were not the problem, as everybody knows.


Those were the only options, if that, and you had to list the RB because you couldn't find a TE. Saying that the Texans had "numerous" downfield options last season flies in the face of reality.



F.) With Kubiak, you are potentially looking at 0 options downfield because you are pulling a guy used to bolster a weak OL and sending him out to run ridiculous patterns that he won't even complete when the pass rush crushes Carr. Kubiak is making a bad problem even worse.

Actually, you are trying to make a good offseason seem bad with your ridiculous gripes.

I guess Denver didn't have a good OL when they were using a receiving TE.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 03:46 PM
I hate it that Carr gets bashed so much around here. He was a starter as a rookie, and under Dom Capers, his abilities have been extremely neglected. I think putting the defense on a 4-3, (no more confused LBs) and giving Carr some experienced options downfield will create a new aspect for both sides of the ball. I believe that, while there are always those who disagree, Gary Kubiak is the long-term investment the team needs. Enough said.

el toro
04-01-2006, 03:47 PM
Finally, it's not like having an increased number of downfield threats is a bad thing for the line. That gives defenses less of an opportunity to stack the line. When you have a LB chasing a back downfield as well as the SS then that tends to reduce some of the pressure at the line of scrimmage.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 04:07 PM
Finally, it's not like having an increased number of downfield threats is a bad thing for the line. That gives defenses less of an opportunity to stack the line. When you have a LB chasing a back downfield as well as the SS then that tends to reduce some of the pressure at the line of scrimmage.

It's a real, REAL bad thing when you are pulling away resources from a tenuous situation and putting those resources in areas you really don't need.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 04:10 PM
I hate it that Carr gets bashed so much around here. He was a starter as a rookie, and under Dom Capers, his abilities have been extremely neglected. I think putting the defense on a 4-3, (no more confused LBs) and giving Carr some experienced options downfield will create a new aspect for both sides of the ball. I believe that, while there are always those who disagree, Gary Kubiak is the long-term investment the team needs. Enough said.

Since how did Capers "neglect" Carr's abilities? He threw for more than 3,000 yards in 2004 and had an excellent year. Seems like he did just fine then. And how do you say that Kubiak is a "long-term investment" that the team needs? There is no proof of that in his resume -- he's just as big a question mark as anybody else since he hasn't been in the NFL for one down as an NFL head coach.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 04:25 PM
The reason I think he is a long term investment is because he has NO record as HC. A young, less conservative HC and staff is what Carr needed to grow. Peyton himself may have thrown the way Carr has if he had an identical situation. Sure he has had above average numbers for what he has dealt with, but I think a little more options will serve to increase his skill. Dont get me wrong, I liked Capers for what he managed to do with the team, but he is far too conservative for the Texans.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 04:36 PM
The reason I think he is a long term investment is because he has NO record as HC. A young, less conservative HC and staff is what Carr needed to grow. Peyton himself may have thrown the way Carr has if he had an identical situation. Sure he has had above average numbers for what he has dealt with, but I think a little more options will serve to increase his skill. Dont get me wrong, I liked Capers for what he managed to do with the team, but he is far too conservative for the Texans.

A.) No record as HC = risky investment, not necessarily longterm. B.) A young, inexperienced, less conservative HC could end up getting Carr hurt and making all of this Carr talk moot. C.) If more options mean pulling his protection to get somebody else downfield, of course that will fail because he couldn't get the ball off when he had extra protection. To pull that protection and send it downfield would be an exercise in futility. D.) Conservative approaches have won SBs. The Steelers, Ravens and New York Giants are prime examples. To win championships, you must be able to run the ball and do so successfully. It's very rare that you see successful teams that don't play conservatively. But you do see teams like the Cardinals, who haven't made the playoffs in years, throw successfully -- because they are so far behind so early that they toss out the running game and build up all kinds of garbage yardage through the air.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 04:44 PM
I understand your position of "Kubiak is ignorant for avoiding the Offensive Line", but can you please give me a list of Offensive Lineman that Kubiak "should" have picked up to help the line? I personally dont think that stockpiling the line through the FA would be a good idea. How will the line deal with all the new faces? It takes time to build an offense that knows and can rely on one another. So maybe you suggest that we should dump the entire line from '05 and start over fresh? Bad idea.

el toro
04-01-2006, 04:51 PM
It's a real, REAL bad thing when you are pulling away resources from a tenuous situation and putting those resources in areas you really don't need.


Who exactly were they supposed to pick up? It's not like they didn't express interest in any number of free agent linemen this summer. Resources seemed not to be the main issue.

Anyways, take a look at Denver's starting line. Only one player was drafted higher than the 4th round and one of them was undrafted.

Finally, the assertion that somehow Kubiak, the OC for the last however many years in Denver, does not recognize the importance of a quality line, is ridiculous.

TexansTrueFan
04-01-2006, 04:54 PM
Hah! Kubiak's inexperience is already showing. He should be concentrating completely and totally on the offensive line and defense, but instead he's messing with areas that weren't even a problem to begin with -- such as WR, QB, TE and FB. I would have had a lot more respect for him if he would have focused on what the real problems are, but instead he's acting like this is a fantasy football team. So, because of the way he is focusing on the guys who handle the ball instead of where the games are really won and lost, the whole idea of this team being a consistent, competitive team has become a fantasy. This team won't go anywhere under Kubiak and after his tenure (hopefully it will come to an end sooner rather than later), everybody will be looking back fondly on the days Capers was here.


hmmm ok are u a fan? cause i have never seen u make a positive remark about our team. and its getting a little old

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 05:01 PM
hmmm ok are u a fan? cause i have never seen u make a positive remark about our team. and its getting a little old

Haha, Amen to that. He seems to have a lot of resentment for losing Capers. In the end, its just something that had to be done. This is the modern NFL, coaches are judged by their performance. Whether it was his fault or not, Capers got bagged for last years 2-14 Reggie Bush race. Has Kubiak done anything right, in your opinion?

GP
04-01-2006, 05:12 PM
hmmm ok are u a fan? cause i have never seen u make a positive remark about our team. and its getting a little old

When a person has a booger on their nose, and you say to them "You have a booger on your nose," and they say, "No I don't..." what do you do?

You walk away and shrug your shoulders.

So it is with Bobo. I hate to have to rag him publicly like this...but dangit he brings it on himself.

Why he holds onto Capers as if Capers had the answers and if only people would listen and honor Capers is beyond me. To blatantly predict that we'll actually all collectively be here in 2 years to apologize for canning Capers is just beyond bizarre.

We had a few laughs. The guy was a solid character guy. Nice guy. Clean guy. Mouth breather. He took great notes. Snappy dresser. All that.

But the entire direction he took the team, and the level of talent in terms of coaching was not there. It just wasn't, and there's no disputing that sometimes coaching gigs just don't work out.

But we've had four years of wandering in the desert, with NO SNIFF OF PLAYOFFS, and the guy shoud have been given another 3 or 4 years? I can see if you succeed and then have a fluke losing season, but four years of being less than average? We ranked so low on offense for so long, it's not even funny...but a guy who was on a great offensive team comes to our team as HC and he's a goner according to Bobo.

Give the new HC four years and let's get back together to discuss. I'll wager we have a better overall record than the first four years.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 05:18 PM
Why he holds onto Capers as if Capers had the answers and if only people would listen and honor Capers is beyond me.

Perfectly stated. I will never see exactly where Bobo expected Capers to take the team, but thats not of my own concern. Personally, I have much faith in next year. Some may say "riding on the shoulders of the young hero" Kubiak will bring us no success, but this is a step into a bigger world for the young Texans. All teams have had to deal with it, and we are now no exception. Some for better, some for worse.... But lets sit down and watch some football in September before we decide whether the Kubiak trend is a path to failure.

JAXwithanX
04-01-2006, 05:21 PM
Since how did Capers "neglect" Carr's abilities? He threw for more than 3,000 yards in 2004 and had an excellent year. Seems like he did just fine then. And how do you say that Kubiak is a "long-term investment" that the team needs? There is no proof of that in his resume -- he's just as big a question mark as anybody else since he hasn't been in the NFL for one down as an NFL head coach.

......investments are risky....***....if they weren't....they would just be called upgrades.

bad
04-01-2006, 05:38 PM
When a person has a booger on their nose, and you say to them "You have a booger on your nose," and they say, "No I don't..." what do you do?

You walk away and shrug your shoulders.

Excellent analogy :ok:

However...what if you just think it's a booger but it snot?

edo783
04-01-2006, 06:00 PM
When are you people going to figure out that BoBo is a Cowplops TROLL. He was on here last year about this time with stuff that was just as screwball.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 06:37 PM
When are you people going to figure out that BoBo is a Cowplops TROLL. He was on here last year about this time with stuff that was just as screwball.

Um, my assessment was right on last year. All kinds of rose-colored garbage was being said such as how the Texan were going to win 11 games and get into the playoffs. I said that was a bunch of wishful thinking, and I was right. This year it's the same thing -- only there's more of a reason to be dour in assessing this team. Also, your failure to respond to any of my points is duly noted.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 06:38 PM
......investments are risky....***....if they weren't....they would just be called upgrades.

Some are more risky than others.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 06:40 PM
Some are more risky than others.

Truthfully, Bobo. Answer me this. In your "expert" opinion, is there anything that Kubiak has done right?

Bobo
04-01-2006, 06:42 PM
Perfectly stated. I will never see exactly where Bobo expected Capers to take the team, but thats not of my own concern. Personally, I have much faith in next year. Some may say "riding on the shoulders of the young hero" Kubiak will bring us no success, but this is a step into a bigger world for the young Texans. All teams have had to deal with it, and we are now no exception. Some for better, some for worse.... But lets sit down and watch some football in September before we decide whether the Kubiak trend is a path to failure.

Capers was taking this team slowly and surely in the right direction. If you are going to criticize Capers for one bad year, then you must do the same to Cowher and Holmgren. Heck, if it were up to many of you, Holmgren and Cowher would both have been gone long before they got into the Super Bowl. And seeing that many folks on this board were calling for Capers' dismissal two games into the season last year, pardon me if I don't cut Kubiak a whole lotta slack this year. OK? Of course, he has a long-term contract so he's got job security for awhile, even if he turns in a trio of seasons with between three and five victories apiece.

tsip
04-01-2006, 06:45 PM
Since how did Capers "neglect" Carr's abilities? He threw for more than 3,000 yards in 2004 and had an excellent year. Seems like he did just fine then. And how do you say that Kubiak is a "long-term investment" that the team needs? There is no proof of that in his resume -- he's just as big a question mark as anybody else since he hasn't been in the NFL for one down as an NFL head coach.

How does 7 good games out of 16 translate into an 'excellent' year?

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 06:47 PM
Capers was taking this team slowly and surely in the right direction. If you are going to criticize Capers for one bad year, then you must do the same to Cowher and Holmgren. Heck, if it were up to many of you, Holmgren and Cowher would both have been gone long before they got into the Super Bowl. And seeing that many folks on this board were calling for Capers' dismissal two games into the season last year, pardon me if I don't cut Kubiak a whole lotta slack this year. OK? Of course, he has a long-term contract so he's got job security for awhile, even if he turns in a trio of seasons with between three and five victories apiece.

I never personally want to see Capers go. But man, thats just the way things work. He may have had a strong plan for us next year, we will never know. But he's gone now. It's just the way things are. Putting aside that, can you honestly say that Kubiak has been a flop so far?

Bobo
04-01-2006, 06:54 PM
When a person has a booger on their nose, and you say to them "You have a booger on your nose," and they say, "No I don't..." what do you do?

You walk away and shrug your shoulders.

So it is with Bobo. I hate to have to rag him publicly like this...but dangit he brings it on himself.

Why he holds onto Capers as if Capers had the answers and if only people would listen and honor Capers is beyond me. To blatantly predict that we'll actually all collectively be here in 2 years to apologize for canning Capers is just beyond bizarre.

We had a few laughs. The guy was a solid character guy. Nice guy. Clean guy. Mouth breather. He took great notes. Snappy dresser. All that.

But the entire direction he took the team, and the level of talent in terms of coaching was not there. It just wasn't, and there's no disputing that sometimes coaching gigs just don't work out.

But we've had four years of wandering in the desert, with NO SNIFF OF PLAYOFFS, and the guy shoud have been given another 3 or 4 years? I can see if you succeed and then have a fluke losing season, but four years of being less than average? We ranked so low on offense for so long, it's not even funny...but a guy who was on a great offensive team comes to our team as HC and he's a goner according to Bobo.

Give the new HC four years and let's get back together to discuss. I'll wager we have a better overall record than the first four years.

And you've got it 100% wrong. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- Capers was an excellent coach who was taking this team in the right direction. Heck, most of you were predicting playoffs last year! You wouldn't have made those predicitons if he was a bad coach his first three years! What, do you think he became stupid overnight? And for you to say this team was "wandering in the desert" for four years is a misnomer, seeing that those four years were all in the team's infancy. He took a team from its birth -- from scratch -- and took it to within a game of .500 in its third year of existence with a bunch of rejects and rookies! You call that "wandering in the desert?" Kubiak has no NFL head coaching experience, hired a staff lacking in experience as well, and then turned around and spent precious capital on dealing with situations that weren't even problems and made matters worse. Capers had a successful tenure for three straight years, causing many to make unrealistic expectations of him and then they turned around and called for his ouster after losing a game in Buffalo (as though that's the first time the Bills won at home) and losing a game to Pittsburgh -- the eventual SB champs. Capers never got his due in this town, was unfairly run out on a rail and then the so-called "braintrust" goes out and hires a green head coach who didn't really didn't produce without Elway, who spent all his time in the skybox and then hires a bunch of inexperieced cronies as his staff. Pardon me for being pessimistic.

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 07:00 PM
Guys just put this troll Bobo on ignore and be on with it. You are just putting fuel on this trolls fire.:ok:

Haha, true. The fact that he won't even acknowledge my question proves that this is just some kind of personal vendetta. Sorry Bobo, there's not enough fact to justify that you aren't excessively bias.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 07:04 PM
Haha, true. The fact that he won't even acknowledge my question proves that this is just some kind of personal vendetta. Sorry Bobo, there's not enough fact to justify that you aren't excessively bias.

And what question is that I am supposedly "ignoring?" So anybody that is telling the truth about this team and the HC is engaging in "a personal vendetta?" Yeah, right.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 07:08 PM
hmmm ok are u a fan? cause i have never seen u make a positive remark about our team. and its getting a little old

What is your definition of a "fan?" Somebody who loves the coach? If that were the case, then many folks weren't "fans" when they were calling for Capers' dismissal. How about the many "fans" that were hoping the Texans would lose to get the first draft choice? I wouldn't call that being a "fan" and that CERTAINLY is not "positive" when you hope that your team loses.

bad
04-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Bobo (http://member.php?u=2458)

This message is hidden because Bobo is on your ignore list (http://profile.php?do=editlist).

BRILLIANT!!! :party:

Bobo
04-01-2006, 07:11 PM
Haha, Amen to that. He seems to have a lot of resentment for losing Capers. In the end, its just something that had to be done. This is the modern NFL, coaches are judged by their performance. Whether it was his fault or not, Capers got bagged for last years 2-14 Reggie Bush race. Has Kubiak done anything right, in your opinion?

Um, no it didn't. Did Cowher and Holmgren have to fired for one bad season as well? Thank goodness for the Steelers and Seahawks that their coaches' performance wasn't judged based on one season. As far as Kubiak goes, no, I haven't seen much that he has done that is right. Then again, he hasn't been around much. Oh, I take that back, I do believe he put his hat on straight at the news conference announcing his hiring. Good for him.:redtowel:

TexansLucky13
04-01-2006, 07:12 PM
I bet that took a lot of thought. I truely am sorry that your hero Capers was cut. Maybe you should be a Dolphins fan now? They would enjoy your posts, I presume.

Bobo
04-01-2006, 07:13 PM
Guys just put this troll Bobo on ignore and be on with it. You are just putting fuel on this trolls fire.:ok:

If that makes you feel better, then go right ahead. But that doesn't change the facts. And your failure to respond to the facts has been duly noted.

the wonger need food
04-01-2006, 07:40 PM
You obviously need to be watching some game film yourself. TE has never been a problem for this team -- they have used the TE to stay in and block because the real problem for this team, the OL, needed and still needs help. WR has not been a problem because the WRs they've had haven't even been able to run their routes before Carr gets sacked due to the OL play. And Carr has been just fine. The OL hasn't been addressed at all except for Flanagan. It's basically the same guys they had last year. Same wit the defense. Now go watch your game film and catch up.

The Texans have never had an all-around TE. Billy Miller was the best they've had on the roster, but he was a below-average blocker and never a playmaker. If you watch the rest of the NFL the TE is an integral part of a team's offensive game planning.

Yes, the offensive line has been a problem, duh. But it had more to do with Capers and his clowns than personnel. I mean come-on... that coaching staff brought in a guy to play the most important position on the line. A guy that isn't even in the NFL this year. They were the epitome of incompetence.

The defense has been upgraded just by changing coaches and scheme. No one on this team had any faith in the 3-4 or coaches game plans.

And if you think Carr has "been fine", you are the one that needs to watch game film from the last 25 or so games. Dude has stunk.

GP
04-01-2006, 08:25 PM
Um, no it didn't. Did Cowher and Holmgren have to fired for one bad season as well? Thank goodness for the Steelers and Seahawks that their coaches' performance wasn't judged based on one season. As far as Kubiak goes, no, I haven't seen much that he has done that is right. Then again, he hasn't been around much. Oh, I take that back, I do believe he put his hat on straight at the news conference announcing his hiring. Good for him.:redtowel:

FOR THE UPTEENTH TIME:

Those guys have (BING! BING BING!) gottent their teams deep into the playoffs, and have even been to, and won, Super Bowls.

Capers got the Panthers deep into the playoffs one time...and NEVER sniffed the playoffs with us. Never.

Your argument regarding this point is so obtuse. Can you not see the folly with your statement? Those guys have won consistently with their teams and truly DESERVE a break when a bad season hits. It's called a "track record," and Capers' was so far below average with us over a four-year span it's absurd.

LET GO of your pet gripe. Go be a Dolphins fan and get your Capers fix there.

el toro
04-02-2006, 01:51 AM
Nice work Capers did with that O-line. He certainly had it on the right track.

TexansLucky13
04-02-2006, 01:55 AM
LET GO of your pet gripe. Go be a Dolphins fan and get your Capers fix there.

Beautifully stated!

I foresee an easier schedule for the Pats because of that fact. :yahoo:

el toro
04-02-2006, 01:57 AM
It's a real, REAL bad thing when you are pulling away resources from a tenuous situation and putting those resources in areas you really don't need.


Right, because they just did not add a new center and bring in a new line coach. If you don't have the downfield threat then wtf is the point of improving the line?

wolf123
04-02-2006, 03:10 AM
Bobo,

One of the main questions that everyone wants to hear your side on is Who should Kubiac have picked up in FA to address the OL in your opinion?

Secondly, another question that a previous poster asked you was Has Kubiac done anything right this offseason, in your opinion?

If you would address these questions, it would be greatly appreciated.

Also, not to dredge up hurt feelings about the loss of Capers do to his failure here, but have you not noticed that Capers set up his Texans team to utilize a pass catching TE in Billy Miller. The next season they even spent a second round pick on another pass-catching TE threat in Bennie Joppru. Now that Kubiac does the same, picking up a decent pass-catching/average blocking TE in Putz, who is familiar with Kube;s system, is stupid is a contradicting argument. Remember that, when a TE does leave the line on a quick route, usually that takes away a blitzer, and if not, leaves a fast option as the TE do dump to for a good 4-6 yards

Bobo
04-02-2006, 03:21 AM
Bobo,

One of the main questions that everyone wants to hear your side on is Who should Kubiac have picked up in FA to address the OL in your opinion?

Secondly, another question that a previous poster asked you was Has Kubiac done anything right this offseason, in your opinion?

If you would address these questions, it would be greatly appreciated.

Also, not to dredge up hurt feelings about the loss of Capers do to his failure here, but have you not noticed that Capers set up his Texans team to utilize a pass catching TE in Billy Miller. The next season they even spent a second round pick on another pass-catching TE threat in Bennie Joppru. Now that Kubiac does the same, picking up a decent pass-catching/average blocking TE in Putz, who is familiar with Kube;s system, is stupid is a contradicting argument. Remember that, when a TE does leave the line on a quick route, usually that takes away a blitzer, and if not, leaves a fast option as the TE do dump to for a good 4-6 yards

I have answered this question many times before. The Texans should trade their top pick for as many choices as possible and then use those picks exclusively on the defense and OL and then see what guys work and what guys don't work. It may take a few years, but sooner or later they will be able to see who clicks and who doesn't. I have also addressed the "has Kubiak done anything right this offseason so far?" I said he did -- I believe I saw a picture of him wearing his hat straight during the announcement of his hiring. Then again, maybe that was somebody else so don't hold me to that. As far as Miller goes, I addressed that as well. The Texans had a pass catching TE in Miller and he was a pretty good one but then had to go to a blocking TE when Capers saw the line wasn't coming together and it needed some help. To get Putzier now when it is obvious the line still needs help is silly. It is pretty dumb to just assume that a wave of the magic wand will heal all the OL woes and allow the Texans to bring in a pass catching TE. I don't care how familiar the guy is with Kubiak's system. It won't do him or any of the other receivers any good if Carr is on his back or is scrambling for his life everytime he goes back to pass once again, even moreso because they are reducing his protection. As far as the TE taking away a blitzer, good grief, man! The OL was so porous that opposing Ds were sacking Carr when they sent just three or four guys! They didn't have to blitz anybody!

wolf123
04-02-2006, 03:33 AM
I understand your stance on trading down in the draft and of the OL's dismal performance over the past four years, but my first question was "Who should Kubes have picked up in this offseason's FREE AGENCY, in your opinion? And I'm looking for a realistic answer, not someone like Hutchinson.

TexansLucky13
04-02-2006, 03:40 AM
I understand your stance on trading down in the draft and of the OL's dismal performance over the past four years, but my first question was "Who should Kubes have picked up in this offseason's FREE AGENCY, in your opinion? And I'm looking for a realistic answer, not someone like Hutchinson.

He wont answer you.

wolf123
04-02-2006, 03:48 AM
I liked your question about the OL in FA and noticed that it was never answered so I was simply restating it in hopes of getting some insight into who we should have signed.

TexansLucky13
04-02-2006, 03:50 AM
I liked your question about the OL in FA and noticed that it was never answered so I was simply restating it in hopes of getting some insight into who we should have signed.

Yea, I would like to know too. I know by now that he is just in need of attention. I feel for the guy. It's bad to see a person in that shape.

Bobo
04-02-2006, 03:55 AM
Yea, I would like to know too. I know by now that he is just in need of attention. I feel for the guy. It's bad to see a person in that shape.

Just look above in this same thread and you will find the answer. And I feel for you, but only in a football manner because it looks like you are about to have your high expectations dashed once again, just as they were for so many people last year.

Bobo
04-02-2006, 03:56 AM
He wont answer you.

I already did. Look above. You should pay more attention.

Bobo
04-02-2006, 03:58 AM
I understand your stance on trading down in the draft and of the OL's dismal performance over the past four years, but my first question was "Who should Kubes have picked up in this offseason's FREE AGENCY, in your opinion? And I'm looking for a realistic answer, not someone like Hutchinson.

I honestly think we should leave FA alone when it comes to the OL unless the guy available fits the Texans needs. Good OL are more valuable in the NFL nowadays than RBs since you need a tandem of five of them to succeed and every good one is valuable. Teams are very hesitant to part with the good ones nowadays.

wolf123
04-02-2006, 04:02 AM
so you are basically saying that the OL should solely be addressed through the draft and no others means

TexansLucky13
04-02-2006, 04:06 AM
so you are basically saying that the OL should solely be addressed through the draft and no others means

Yes, thats his position on it. And it completely defies his earlier position. Him stating that Kubiak hasnt focused on the O-line enough, then coming back now and saying that the FA shouldnt be focused on the OL, is entirely hypcritical. And he argued with me about this all day, literally!