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Daonly
03-31-2006, 08:52 PM
http://mb25.scout.com/fuscfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=93404.topic


To confirm, the 40's portion of the day at Loker Stadium will be open to the public (approx 11:15am). However, once that is over, the players will move to Howard Jones and Brian Kennedy Fields for the workout portion of the day and that will be closed (only media, families, USC staff and NFL staff will be allowed in).

Im going.. Bright and Early with my krispie creme doughnuts in hand.. :drool:

Texans_Chick
03-31-2006, 09:21 PM
http://mb25.scout.com/fuscfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=93404.topic


To confirm, the 40's portion of the day at Loker Stadium will be open to the public (approx 11:15am). However, once that is over, the players will move to Howard Jones and Brian Kennedy Fields for the workout portion of the day and that will be closed (only media, families, USC staff and NFL staff will be allowed in).

Im going.. Bright and Early with my krispie creme doughnuts in hand.. :drool:


Bring extra donuts. And make friends with family members and staff. If you have USC colors, wear them. Maybe if you make good enough friends with folks, they will let you go with them to the private portion.

It can't hurt to try. Donuts don't cost that much. :cool:

Tha_Tinman
03-31-2006, 10:19 PM
Bring extra donuts. And make friends with family members and staff. If you have USC colors, wear them. Maybe if you make good enough friends with folks, they will let you go with them to the private portion.

It can't hurt to try. Donuts don't cost that much. :cool:


Unbeleivable! This somehow reminds me of that Based Upon A True Story Movie that had a young Will Smith freeloading off of rich families ...saying that he was the son of Sidney Poitier.

And you arm this guy with what? EXTRA DONUTS!!!! :rofl: :ok:

texman8
04-01-2006, 12:08 AM
Shipley's are better!

TMac48
04-01-2006, 12:13 AM
Shipley's are better!
I'm going to have to diagree and submit that shipley's donuts are not better than krispi creme's. If you are talking about kolaches however, thats a different story.

texan279
04-01-2006, 12:17 AM
Shipley's are better!

I have never had a donut better than a fresh Krispy Kreme! :drool:

Mike Kerns
04-01-2006, 09:57 AM
Will it be televised on NFL Network ?

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
04-01-2006, 10:00 AM
I have never had a donut better than a fresh Krispy Kreme! :drool:



:thumbup

YoungTexanFan
04-01-2006, 10:10 AM
I have never had a donut better than a fresh Krispy Kreme! :drool:

You poor man.

I had both this morning, and krispy kreme lost. I don't like my donut to be completely saturated in an inch of sugar.

maybe thats just me?

Honoring Earl 34
04-01-2006, 10:10 AM
Morning Kolaches cinnamon rolls will open any door .

chicagotexan
04-01-2006, 10:34 AM
http://mb25.scout.com/fuscfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=93404.topic




Im going.. Bright and Early with my krispie creme doughnuts in hand.. :drool:

Tell Reggie I said hello and I can't wait to see him here. Shipley's are better.

Speedy
04-01-2006, 11:18 AM
I'm going to have to diagree and submit that shipley's donuts are not better than krispi creme's. If you are talking about kolaches however, thats a different story.The best donut on the planet is Shipleys.

texan279
04-01-2006, 11:23 AM
You poor man.

I had both this morning, and krispy kreme lost. I don't like my donut to be completely saturated in an inch of sugar.

maybe thats just me?

If you don't like Krispy Kremes why'd you eat them?

YoungTexanFan
04-01-2006, 12:10 PM
If you don't like Krispy Kremes why'd you eat them?

this message board got me wanting to try them again.

dirty steve
04-01-2006, 12:14 PM
Unbeleivable! This somehow reminds me of that Based Upon A True Story Movie that had a young Will Smith freeloading off of rich families ...saying that he was the son of Sidney Poitier.

And you arm this guy with what? EXTRA DONUTS!!!! :rofl: :ok:

the movie is "six Degrees of Seperation."

swisher
04-01-2006, 01:37 PM
Shipley's are better!

I concur. Krispy Kremes have got to be the most over rated food product in history....well, right behind Starbucks anyway.

Shipleys wins hands down, no contest. I usually like a little donut with my sugar, thanks.

travfrancis
04-01-2006, 02:02 PM
my vote definitely goes to shipleys

krispy kreme is a noob pick

tulexan
04-01-2006, 02:05 PM
I haven't had a donut in a long time. They don't have many donut stores here in New Orleans. I think there is one, but that is it.

Beignets all the way baby.

tiger06
04-01-2006, 02:18 PM
Krispy Kremes own. Especially the chocolate cream filled ones :drool:

Revolution
04-01-2006, 02:28 PM
Krispy Kremes own. Especially the chocolate cream filled ones :drool:

Aren't all the Krispy Kremes gone? They've been replaced by Jumbles. What a name...

bad
04-01-2006, 02:33 PM
Reggie Bush.

Vince Young.

Super Mario.

Da Brick.

Sorry, but this thread has gotten so off-topic I thought I'd throw those names out there so we don't accidentally tear a hole in the fabric of reality.

:brickwall

YoungTexanFan
04-01-2006, 02:43 PM
Aren't all the Krispy Kremes gone? They've been replaced by Jumbles. What a name...

no, not all of them. something like 50%

Carr Bombed
04-01-2006, 02:55 PM
Bring extra donuts. And make friends with family members and staff. If you have USC colors, wear them. Maybe if you make good enough friends with folks, they will let you go with them to the private portion.

It can't hurt to try. Donuts don't cost that much. :cool:

:rofl:

This reminds me of my Dad's old friend (He was kinda like John Candy's character Uncle Buck), he used to take me to a ton of Oilers games back in the day and he took a plain black shirt and took it somewhere and had a NBC SPORTS logo sowed onto it. Anyway we would get some tickets then go to the game and when he saw some camera dudes or any media personnel step into the elevator that led up to the press boxes we would just step in right behind them. The press people would look at him, then look down at his shirt, then look at me, and ask him, "is he with you". :redtowel: it was great. Best seats in the house, they also have barrells of iced down beverages right next to your seat so you really don't even have to get up. God I miss those days.

MONARCH
04-01-2006, 03:09 PM
Reggie Bush.

Vince Young.

Super Mario.

Da Brick.

Sorry, but this thread has gotten so off-topic I thought I'd throw those names out there so we don't accidentally tear a hole in the fabric of reality.

:brickwall

NEVER! EVER! Put reggie bush's name above or before the MAGNIFICENT VINCE YOUNG.......are you fr----n CRAZY.......?

You should indeed know that you are amongst REAL TEXANS!
MONARCH

Bubbajwp
04-01-2006, 06:35 PM
NEVER! EVER! Put reggie bush's name above or before the MAGNIFICENT VINCE YOUNG.......are you fr----n CRAZY.......?

You should indeed know that you are amongst REAL TEXANS!
MONARCH
I think you might be the crazy one.

bad
04-01-2006, 06:45 PM
NEVER! EVER! Put reggie bush's name above or before the MAGNIFICENT VINCE YOUNG.......are you fr----n CRAZY.......?
...
MONARCH I suggest, for the sake of your tenuous sanity that you try to avoid the following:

1. 99.95% Of All Mock Drafts

2. Any Legitimate List Of Top 100 Draft Prospects

3. The Dictionary

4. April 29th, 2006.

5. A Keyboard.

MONARCH
04-01-2006, 11:09 PM
I suggest, for the sake of your tenuous sanity that you try to avoid the following:

1. 99.95% Of All Mock Drafts

2. Any Legitimate List Of Top 100 Draft Prospects

3. The Dictionary

4. April 29th, 2006.

5. A Keyboard.

DITTO! For I certainly would gladly suggest for the very sake of YOUR TENUOUS SANITY, that you try very hard in searching for the following:

1. REALITY!

For in your case......all else, is really a MOOT POINT!

Our native son is coming home.....
MONARCH

texan279
04-02-2006, 12:16 AM
DITTO! For I certainly would gladly suggest for the very sake of YOUR TENUOUS SANITY, that your try very hard in searching for the following:

1. REALITY!

For in your case......all else, is really a MOOT POINT!

Our native son is coming home.....
MONARCH

YOU'RE telling someone else to search for reality? :ok:

cuppacoffee
04-02-2006, 10:49 AM
I haven't had a donut in a long time. They don't have many donut stores here in New Orleans. I think there is one, but that is it.

Beignets all the way baby.

Ahhhhh....Beignets and Seaport dark roast. Yum Yum

alphajoker
04-02-2006, 12:17 PM
I love how this MB can go off on a tanget!! Hmmmm....doughnuts:homer:

run-david-run
04-02-2006, 12:51 PM
By the way, Im pretty sure MONARCH is being a little satirical...

bad
04-02-2006, 12:57 PM
By the way, Im pretty sure MONARCH is being a little satirical... Ya think?!?

I'll tell you this...I disagree with basically everything MONARCH posts, but I will never ignore him because his rants are anything but boring.

Thanks, MONARCH! :brickwall

Keep 'em coming...and try not to break the CAPS LOCK key.

Dr. Toro
04-02-2006, 01:48 PM
http://mb25.scout.com/fuscfansfrm1.showMessage?topicID=93404.topic


To confirm, the 40's portion of the day at Loker Stadium will be open to the public (approx 11:15am). However, once that is over, the players will move to Howard Jones and Brian Kennedy Fields for the workout portion of the day and that will be closed (only media, families, USC staff and NFL staff will be allowed in).

Im going.. Bright and Early with my krispie creme doughnuts in hand.. :drool:

So he should be running the 40 as we speak.

TexansLucky13
04-02-2006, 02:14 PM
Yes, we all love the famous rants of MONARCH the magnificent.

But in this world, you will find two truths.

1) Krispy Kreme donuts are far superior to Shipley's donuts.

2) In the '06 Draft, Reggie Bush is to Krispy Kreme as Vince Young is to Shipley's

Nuff' Said

:cool:

DominickDavisFan76
04-02-2006, 02:18 PM
Yo he must have already ran the 40 so what is his time?
If he hasnt run, can we see it on NFL Total Access

Dr. Toro
04-02-2006, 02:21 PM
Yes, we all love the famous rants of MONARCH the magnificent.

But in this world, you will find two truths.

1) Krispy Kreme donuts are far superior to Shipley's donuts.

2) In the '06 Draft, Reggie Bush is to Krispy Kreme as Vince Young is to Shipley's

Nuff' Said

:cool:

You realize Krispy Kreme isn't in Houston anymore. Shipley's is the big dogg down here.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2006/02/06/daily46.html

gtexan02
04-02-2006, 02:35 PM
I thought it was today?

MONARCH
04-02-2006, 02:37 PM
You realize Krispy Kreme isn't in Houston anymore. Shipley's is the big dogg down here.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2006/02/06/daily46.html

FORGIVE HIM DR. TORO.......for our young lad is slowly METAMORPHASING into a Texas A&M Aggie........so if you think he's slow now.........JUST WAIT UNTIL THE METAMORPHASIS IS COMPLETE.......

OUR MAGNIFICENT VY IS COMING HOME TO PLAY!
MONARCH

tulexan
04-02-2006, 02:37 PM
It is going on as we speak

Lucky
04-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Can't give you a link, but the early results for Bush are:

24 reps @ 225 lbs
40.5" verticle
10'8" broad jump

No 40 time, yet.

Mightymike
04-02-2006, 02:40 PM
Can't give you a link, but the early results for Bush are:

24 reps @ 225 lbs
40.5" verticle
10'8" broad jump

No 40 time, yet.

what was his weight

tulexan
04-02-2006, 02:40 PM
Are you serious?

I knew he was a good athlete, but that is comparable to Vernon Davis

Errant Hothy
04-02-2006, 02:41 PM
Somebody on kffl's MB said Reggie ran the 40 in 4.33

Lucky
04-02-2006, 02:42 PM
what was his weight
I haven't seen that reported as of now.

BTW, Winston Justice benched 38 reps @ 225 lbs. and had a 39" verticle jump. That's better than Alex Barron's numbers from last year.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 02:46 PM
I thought Bush was not going to get measured or weighed at his pro day because he did it at the combine?

newbiefan
04-02-2006, 02:51 PM
24 reps @ 225 lbs
40.5" verticle
10'8" broad jump

dang......

looks like he got a steak dinner, but seriously those are impressive measurables

Lucky
04-02-2006, 02:55 PM
Updates on other Trojans:

Dominique Byrd 16 reps, 36" verticle, 9'8" broad
Taitusi Lutui 26 reps, 32" verticle, 8'6" broad
Fred Matua 25 reps, 30" verticle, 8'7" broad

Bush's 40 times - 4.33 & 4.37

jacquescas
04-02-2006, 02:56 PM
anyone know how much he weighed?

Mightymike
04-02-2006, 02:56 PM
its vertical

Str8tupg42k1
04-02-2006, 02:56 PM
ya'll people don't know what u are talking about! Dunkn Donuts was and is the best!:yahoo:


nah just playing its shipleys

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 02:57 PM
Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed.

Lucky
04-02-2006, 02:57 PM
its vertical
I'm nothing without a spellchecker. :)

tulexan
04-02-2006, 02:58 PM
Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed.


He is saving that for the private workout with the Texans in a few weeks

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 03:05 PM
Wow... Draft him... and RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

Tale Gator
04-02-2006, 03:08 PM
Awesome, awesome, awesome numbers from reggie. :shocked

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:10 PM
Leinart - 37" vertical, 9'5" broad jump. That's pretty darn good for a QB.

bad
04-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Still pretty impressive but I'm sure there will be some disappointed fans that he didn't break any atomic principles and warp into another dimension with his speed. Darn tootin'!

My water is still water.

All that is left is whine.

:crying:

newbiefan
04-02-2006, 03:11 PM
Very good numbers, but we all already knew he was athletic. Anyone hear anything about his running back and/or wide receiver drills?

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 03:13 PM
What's the deal with the broadjump. Is it just a standing jump forward, sorry I haven't dealt with track in forever. Also Williams had a 10'9'' broad Jump so would that factor come up in comparisons. Besides that I gotta say wow, that's impressive.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 03:13 PM
Leinart - 37" vertical, 9'5" broad jump. That's pretty darn good for a QB.

I find this hard to believe. I guess white men can jump.

swtbound07
04-02-2006, 03:14 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

bad
04-02-2006, 03:14 PM
What's the deal with the broadjump. Is it just a standing jump forward, sorry I haven't dealt with track in forever. Also Williams had a 10'9'' broad Jump so would that factor come up in comparisons. Besides that I gotta say wow, that's impressive.
I would assume it's standing. I can clear 10' running and I'm 41 years old.

tulexan
04-02-2006, 03:14 PM
I find this hard to believe. I guess white men can jump.

Brent Barry did win the slam dunk contest a few years back

newbiefan
04-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Yea it's standing

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 03:15 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:15 PM
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 03:17 PM
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else

Are these all credible?

Marcus
04-02-2006, 03:18 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

Signed,

Vince Young

tulexan
04-02-2006, 03:18 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.


Maybe in the NFL offseason he can be a Rockets reserve guard. We sure could use it.

Dr. Toro
04-02-2006, 03:18 PM
Leinart - 37" vertical, 9'5" broad jump. That's pretty darn good for a QB.

Are you sure that's right about the vert?

That's the biggest surprise in the whole pre-draft season if true. Totally irrelevant, but impressive. It's hard to believe a guy can jump like that and be that slow.

bad
04-02-2006, 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucky
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else

Are these all credible?
If Bush pumped 10 more reps than White, I'd call it INcredible.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 03:19 PM
How are you getting these numbers Lucky?

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:20 PM
Are these all credible?
I believe it to be. These may not be the exact numbers NFL.com posts later, but they should be in the ballpark.

BTW, Bush passes on running the shuttles. Justice runs the 40 once at 5.16.

How are you getting these numbers Lucky?
From another site I can't link here.

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 03:22 PM
Darnell Bing - 21 reps, 38" verticle, 10'4" broad, 4.63 & 4.53

Lendale White - 15 reps and nothing else

Wow, seriously he only got 15 reps. Damn that makes me feel good. lol. He didn't run the 40?

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:24 PM
Wow, seriously he only got 15 reps. Damn that makes me feel good. lol. He didn't run the 40?
White passes on all the other drills. May have an injury.

Texan in Japan
04-02-2006, 03:30 PM
Without any other numbers, Lendale may drop a bit. Folks are gonna wonder, what's up?

Bush's numbers looked good, of course the 4.28 he reportedly ran in Sporting News article (during season) would have been nice, but he's plenty fast.

Justice's numbers look very good.

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 03:31 PM
White passes on all the other drills. May have an injury.

Ouch that's gotta hurt the draft status.

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:35 PM
Ouch that's gotta hurt the draft status.
And White didn't run at the combine. The big question about Lendale entering today was if he had the speed to go the distance. That's still a question. Watch the Steelers luck out and get White at the end of the 1st round. :crying:

Kaiser Toro
04-02-2006, 03:41 PM
And White didn't run at the combine. The big question about Lendale entering today was if he had the speed to go the distance. That's still a question. Watch the Steelers luck out and get White at the end of the 1st round. :crying:

You are not kidding. I wonder if the Broncos are under pressure to take the hometown kid.

tulexan
04-02-2006, 03:43 PM
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos took him at 22

Errant Hothy
04-02-2006, 03:43 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 03:45 PM
Is White the type of RB you would want to run behind a zone blocking line? I would think that Denver would want a quicker back like Maroney.

Lucky
04-02-2006, 03:47 PM
Is White the type of RB you would want to run behind a zone blocking line? I would think that Denver would want a quicker back like Maroney.
Well, Denver lost Mike Anderson to the Eagles and they have a quick back in Tatum Bell. Maybe White does make sense.

Grid
04-02-2006, 04:09 PM
After taking Clarett last year.. I think the Broncos are capable of just about anything when it comes to RBs.

Harrisment
04-02-2006, 04:16 PM
Confirmed numbers from nfl.com

Bush:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump,.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:19 PM
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:22 PM
Confirmed numbers from nfl.com

Bush:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump,.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513

Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:25 PM
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.

on the flip side.... White (6-0¾, 244) had 15 lifts, but didn't do any vertical or long jumps. He did not run.

....is pathetic.....over 40 more pounds than Bush and close to half the reps....thats just a complete disregard for caring to prepare for the combine or pro day....because there is no way he can't pump out more than that

MasterC25
04-02-2006, 04:26 PM
Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments


You stole my exact statement Reggie really posted a mark of 4.25, that is world class speed. To go along with 40inch vertical. I think it is a foregone conclusion it is Bush in 06'.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:26 PM
25 reps at 225 weighing probably 205-210 is ridiculous. thats some serious **** right there....and i don't just mean compared to 'average joe'....i mean thats some serious **** even at that level of play. definetely his most impressive number....although it doesn't necessarily translate to the field like the speed drills.

Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:27 PM
Also to be noted that because Bush ran on a fast surface they added .08 seconds to his time. He really ran a 4.25


The results
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments

i'm not saying thats not true.....but why and the **** would they bother to measure something electrically if they know it is going to be off some....

Honoring Earl 34
04-02-2006, 04:27 PM
Bush's 4.33 is still the fastest 40 among RB's . He also has the best long jump and vertical leap for his position . If he pressed 225lbs 25 times he's tied for 2nd among RB's .

This is an impressive workout . He may not have made an A+ but its a 95 . This coming after everyone else worked out and he was in the spotlight . I'm not saying draft RB but just cause your a Vince lover don't add by subtracting .

ThaShark316
04-02-2006, 04:29 PM
Dick Enberg says it best....

OH MY!

Reggie is a monster, folks.

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 04:29 PM
4.37....not blown away.

he can take his 40 inch vertical to the nba for all i care...still not impressed.

I think the only way you would be impressed is if he ran at that time backwards. But with your every dying love for VY, I'm not sure. Just give it a rest. :challenge

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:30 PM
Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.

yeah you only validate my point even more....he was 3-8 pounds less than i thought and put up those strength numbers....

if the texans decide they want him to gain some weight....lose a little speed....thats easily done....can be done in TC. now getting that kind of strength....takes years of weight training....

and saying he is nothing special....because he doesn't weigh enough is just stupid.....dumbest thing you could have said.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:30 PM
Electric time always gives the precise time on a run, thus the reason they use electric times at the olympics. Saying a person actually runs faster than the time given electrically is such a ignorant comment. I have not read anything about electric timing at the USC pro day

bad
04-02-2006, 04:31 PM
i'm not saying thats not true.....but why and the **** would they bother to measure something electrically if they know it is going to be off some....
Good question, and I was thinking the same thing.

At least we can say this: on AstroTurf (where he'll play a lot of games) Bush is capable of running a 4.25 forty.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:32 PM
Electric time always gives the precise time on a run, thus the reason they use electric times at the olympics. Saying a person actually runs faster than the time given electrically is such a ignorant comment. I have not read anything about electric timing at the USC pro day

I would think so also, but it's coming from the nfl.com site.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:35 PM
I think the only way you would be impressed is if he ran at that time backwards. But with your every dying love for VY, I'm not sure. Just give it a rest. :challenge

I actually go to UT right now....i came from the same area as Vince Young in houston (his HS team Madison took out mine in the playoffs - North Shore)....and they way i see it....DD is a better running back....than DC will be a quarterback. I mean DD is arguably in the top ten of running backs when he is healthy.....i'm not so sure david carr will get there (althought we are going to find out this year....and no one will be happier for him than me). But i understand the unknown VY brings....and i can respect a team with the number 1 pick and so much help needed....(and most of all....no more disappointment needed) should pick the much safer, incredible Reggie.

bkimble
04-02-2006, 04:36 PM
Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.


I don't understand the phenomenon with Reggie Bush. I think he is an excellent prospect but not the best collage prospect.

As a runningback, he's electric with the ball in his hand if he can get to the edge. But how will he do once contact is made, in the NFL? His tacklebreaking abilities don't look that exceptional. He doesn't even look as fast as Dunn or rocket Ismail. In fact, one of the LB from Texas stayed with most of the Rose Bowl game. I am guessing their are going to be DBs and LBs in the pros that can do the same. He's shown a limited ability to run between the tackles. In the pros, I'm not convinced he's going to be able to do it really effectively at all. In fact, I don't think he'll be as effective as DD between the tackles. Time will Tell... however, as he learns the ropes, he's certainly got the physical tools to be able to do well, but do you make him the number one pick? This guy is not like Earl Campball, Eric Dickerson, LT, or even TD. I just watched some film of him, he don't run north to south. He's runs like a water bug zigzag, which is okay in collage be in the NFL he'd be crushed IMHO.

As a receiver out of the backfield and in the slot, he's excellent. He can do a lot for a team here when he starts out of the backfield. He has great hands and he's a great open field runner. I understand his value here.

As a kick and punt returner, he seems to have some big value in the eyes of the scouts, but I'm confused, we've a All-Pro kick returner. I don't get it. He doesn't do nothing for the most part in any phase of the return game. He seems like vision and favor the sideline. On kickoffs, he's behind several teammates for the team lead in yard/per/run and none of their numbers are great.

Beyond the phases of the game in which a team thinks they can involve him, there are other factors to consider. First, what of his durability? He's never carried the ball or touched the ball as the true feature back. He averaged something like 13 carries per game in a season last year and that was his high for his career. Is he being valued this highly as a 10-15 carries per game guy in the NFL?

How can he truly be valued this highly while playing on a dominating team against terrible competition?

All in all, I look at this guy, and I see a player for the Texan with a lot of risk. He might be Thurman Thomas, but he might be WDunn. Why are we hearing basically nothing from anyone on his flaws? Why is it just generally accepted that he's great in the return game? Last week, Several scouts wrote that an independent scouting services gave him the highest rating that they've ever given a college player. Higher than John Elway. I don't think he should be the highest rated player in this draft. Do you? I am not sure he should be the highest rated player on his own team. If you're progressive, how do you project Bush's upside and explosiveness at the pro level above MW or Vernon Davis, or even VY? I simply find it crazy. I can't help but feel like a whole bunch of people are drink the Bush koolaid servered up by ESPN and isn't being rational. I've a feeling that I'm missing something or somebody trying to fool me Does anyone else have similar feelings? Do you feel that he is the second comin' of Gayle Sayers? If so, why?

:pigfly:

jacquescas
04-02-2006, 04:36 PM
regardless, even taking his slowest time it was still blazing. Its evident that he will be a Texan in less than a month.

I wish reggie could take the wunderlich


anyone know how he did in his wide reciever drills?

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:36 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:38 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

yeah the times for his size are pretty comparable....except that damn stength.....thats off the charts.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:38 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

Okay, it's obvious you're a hatter. 4.35 is fast for a RB or a WR. Barry Sanders ran a 4.37 at the combine so Bush is faster then one of the best NFL gamebreakers of all time.

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 04:39 PM
Hello, 5'10 202 not 205-210 but his 40 sounds good, still have not heard what other scouts had him at. I wonder what he would run with another 8 lbs on that frame. Kinda disapointing that he could only manage 1 lb in weight gain. I say trade down, he is nothing special.

You're laughable.

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 04:40 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

Using a .05 or .08 difference in a 40 time to change your opinion about whether or not to draft someone is just foolish.

There's a reason most scouts have made up 90%+ of their evaluations prior to seeing any of these workout numbers.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:40 PM
yeah i mean....i don't have a problem with the speed....and he sure as **** isn't a dime a dozen running back.....but until someone clears up exactly whether that is a 4.35 or 4.28....well it is comparable to some other RB's of that size....althought it doesn't compare on the skill level at all.

jacquescas
04-02-2006, 04:40 PM
At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. .


so if you're wanting us to be accurate where are the numbers that he was 5'10, i thought it was 5'11...



you know what i dont get about the Vince people, well i get it, but its stupid, how they brush Leinart under the table. Imagine how much teams would laugh at us if we drafted not just vince first, but passed on Linart.

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 04:42 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.


Lol...

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:42 PM
yeah i mean....i don't have a problem with the speed....and he sure as **** isn't a dime a dozen running back.....but until someone clears up exactly whether that is a 4.35 or 4.28....well it is comparable to some other RB's of that size....althought it doesn't compare on the skill level at all.

What other running backs in the NFL or college run a 4.33 40?

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:42 PM
Using a .05 or .08 difference in a 40 time to change your opinion about whether or not to draft someone is just foolish.

There's a reason most scouts have made up 90%+ of their evaluations prior to seeing any of these workout numbers.

actually that happens all the time....but bush's times are nothing to worry about....he is on the high end of speed for his weight....and his actual skill level by far surpasses 'high-end'....now if it is a 4.28.....he is elite in both qualities.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:44 PM
Are they, Jay Cutler put up more benches, and another key factor people forget, at 5'10 Bush has very short arms. The NFL Combine record was broken this year by a linebacker at like 45 and the most often comment you read is that it is much easier for short armed people to put up more reps. I am 6'0 220 and I only lift about three times a week and I have put up 20 reps without bouncing or lifting my butt of the bench. I would not say Bush has super human strength. Because I know I am just normal around most of the guys in the GYM

texansfan4life
04-02-2006, 04:45 PM
reggie bush ran a 4.33 at his pro day. www.nfl.com :redtowel:

texansfan4life
04-02-2006, 04:45 PM
Wow

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:45 PM
What other running backs in the NFL or college run a 4.33 40?

well....we don't exactly know for sure now do we considering once they are in the NFL they don't have to go around proving that stuff to anyone anymore....as far as college....well i'm just saying for such a small back its not unbelievable....and yes....RB's in college at that size HAVE ran that efbore....not a million....but its not the quality i guess i should say thats making RB the number one pick.

Dr. Toro
04-02-2006, 04:47 PM
What other running backs in the NFL or college run a 4.33 40?

Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:47 PM
Are they, Jay Cutler put up more benches, and another key factor people forget, at 5'10 Bush has very short arms. The NFL Combine record was broken this year by a linebacker at like 45 and the most often comment you read is that it is much easier for short armed people to put up more reps. I am 6'0 220 and I only lift about three times a week and I have put up 20 reps without bouncing or lifting my butt of the bench. I would not say Bush has super human strength. Because I know I am just normal around most of the guys in the GYM

Jay Cutler weighs 20 more pounds and put up one less actually. as far as you....well we don't have a combine for you so i can't verify that.....and highly doubt it....

Kaiser Toro
04-02-2006, 04:49 PM
Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

Don't you blaspeme in here. :)

For everyone keeping score at home he was the second pick in the draft last year.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 04:52 PM
Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

thank you.....thats all i'm trying to say is the times reggie put up aren't unbelieveable....they are great but its not untreaded territory....**** and ronnie was carrying 32 more pounds of muscle.....thats huge.

i keep feeling like i need to add though that this doesn't deter the fact he should be number 1.....

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 04:53 PM
Don't you blaspeme in here. :)

For everyone keeping score at home he was the second pick in the draft last year.

Yea..comparing him to Ronnie Brown at this point only helps the argument to take Bush.

I do have some questions about his ability to run north/south and bounce off of tackles, and it's risky to me to use the #1 pick with those kinds of uncertainties. As far as speed and athletic ability though, there's no question he's world class.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:53 PM
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:53 PM
Ronnie Brown ran a 4.32 at 233 pounds.

Looks like a mistime to me

I bring up Brown because it's about time more people started talking about him. He spent most of his college career playing second fiddle to his good friend Carnell "Cadillac" Williams, but now he's finally snatching the spotlight for himself. After Brown clocked two scintillating 40-yard dash times in Indianapolis (one officially was at 4.46 while another, unofficially, came in at 4.32), the buzz coming out of the Combine was Brown may be the best all-around running back in this year's draft. It's a fair argument. In today's NFL, a 6-foot, 233-pounder with his speed and versatility would be quite a prize.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/jeffri_chadiha/03/01/ronnie.brown/

2. Ronnie Brown, Auburn (6-01/4, 233)
Brown had a complete workout at the combine and ran his 40s in 4.43 and 4.46. He also had a 34-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 long jump, 4.08 short shuttle, 7.10 three-cone drill and 18 strength lifts. Brown played running back and safety in high school. He also played baseball and was drafted by the Seattle Mariners. Brown was redshirted at Auburn in 2000 and started five games in 2001. He was the first-team tailback going into the fall of 2002 and started six games that season, leading the team in rushing. He started three games in 2003 and six games in 2004 when he had 153 carries for 913 yards and eight touchdowns along with 34 catches. Brown is a strong runner with very good hands and outstanding speed. He has very good acceleration with very good quickness. He's a little bit of a straight-line runner and not real elusive in space. Brown is very competitive and a very good person.

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2005/04/20/1/?draft_nav=1

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 04:55 PM
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.

Get to work. You've got two hours. Come up with a RB that is faster then 4.33.

dhaNim
04-02-2006, 04:56 PM
reggie bush ran a 4.33 at his pro day. www.nfl.com :redtowel:
....and they say it was an electronic clock so you can supposedly shave .08 of a second off the time. meaning you can say he ran close to a 4.25! now thats blazing!
he's definetely the first pick on the Houston Texans!

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 04:59 PM
Justin Fargas (6-1, 219, 4.32/40, 27/BP, 115"/LJ, 7%/BF) | USC
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2003/premium/madness/combineresults.html

Faster, bigger and is a backup in the NFL, oh and came from the same school and same system. Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 04:59 PM
Get to work. You've got two hours. Come up with a RB that is faster then 4.33.

official times

Maddict5
04-02-2006, 04:59 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9353513LOS ANGELES (April 2, 2006) -- It is said that the city of Los Angeles has always had a professional football franchise: the University of Southern California. Coached by former Jets and Patriots head man Pete Carroll, the Trojans have become the most dominant team in college football the past few years with two national titles in a row and falling just short of a third this past January.

That kind of program has some of the best players at every position every year. And the 2005 team was no different. Led by the last two Heisman trophy winners, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush, these players are ready to hit the NFL scene. But before they will be drafted, about 150 representatives from every club were on campus for USC's Pro Day. It was an event that was an unbelievable production, one that was bigger than USC had ever put forth before. Just a few in attendance were Packers GM Ted Thompson, Rams coach Scott Linehan, Panthers coach John Fox, Texans coach Gary Kubiak, Giants VP of player evaluation Chris Mara, Eagles VP of player personnel Jason Licht, Vikings director of college scouting Scott Studwell, and the entire Titans coaching staff, including GM Floyd Reese.

The schedule ...
There were 19 draft-eligible players that took part in the workout. The following is a breakdown of their day:

The team representatives started arriving at 7:30 a.m. to an extremely well-organized event. From 8-10 they had a facility for anyone who wanted to study tapes on any of the players. From 10-10:15 they had a mandatory agent meeting. The agents are there, but they don't have access to the field. At 10:15 Carroll spent 30 minutes talking about players in a Q&A session. He took time out to praise his guys on an individual basis. One example was for fullback David Kirtman: "Kirtman came to us as a tailback. A very hard worker who does an excellent job on special teams, he has very good hands, and will block in pass protection. He does everything you want him to do every day of the week."

Players started getting measured for their height, weight, arm length and everything else at 10:45 in Norris Theater. Then at11:30 lunch was available. Following a good meal, the players started their jumps, weight lifting and running. They were broken down into two groups -- A-L and M-Z. That way guys like Reggie Bush would only have to wait about 10 minutes in between 40-yard dashes instead of 20 minutes. Then came the agility drills -- short shuttle and three-cone. Finally at 1 p.m. they started with individual position drills. These players were once again broken down in groups, this time five of them -- DB/LB, QB/WR/TE, RB, OL/DL and P. Punter Tom Malone got his own little workout.

There were about 300 kids and their parents are watching the Pro Day from the stands. If you have ever been to a Hollywood production, this might upstage it. Carroll said the only thing USC wanted to do is make this day better than it's ever been before.


The results …
SOUTHERN CAL: APRIL 2
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about .08 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.
Player Position Gil's comments

Darnell Bing S Bing (6-1¾, 225) ran his 40s in 4.63 and 4.53. Had a 10-foot-5 long jump, 38-inch vertical jump, and 21 lifts.

William Buchanon WR Buchanon (6-3, 191) ran his 40s twice in 4.38 and had a 40-inch vertical jump. His father, Willie, was a former first-round draft pick as a defensive end from San Diego State.

Reggie Bush RB Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40½-inch vertical jump.

Dominique Byrd TE Byrd (6-2 7/8, 258) ran his 40s in 4.81 and 4.79. Had a 36½-inch vertical jump and 16 lifts.

Winston Justice OT Justice (6-6¼, 320) had a 34½-inch arm length, 39-inch vertical jump, and 38 lifts

David Kirtman FB Kirtman (5-11½, 232) ran his 40 in 5.15, but that was the only time he ran it and it was slow due to the effects of a previously pulled calf. had a 34½-inch vertical jump and 26 lifts.

Matt Leinart QB Leinart (6-5 5/8, 224) had a 9-foot-6 long jump and a 37-inch vertical jump.

Taitusi Lutui OT Lutui (6-3½, 330) ran his 40s in 5.42 and 5.33. Had a 8-foot-6 long jump, 32-inch vertical jump, and 26 lifts.

Tom Malone P Malone (5-11 1/8, 204) only did the bench press because he wanted to be fresh for the punting drills. He had 14 lifts.

Fred Matua G Matua (6-2 3/8, 301) ran his 40s in 5.06 and 5.19. For a guy over 300 pounds to run a 40-yard dash in a theoretical time under fiv seconds, then he made a lot of money today and will shoot up draft boards. He also had a 30-inch vertical and 26 lifts.

Frostee Rucker DE Rucker (6-3¼, 261) ran his 40s in 4.80 and 4.81. Had a 9-foot-7 long jump and a 35-inch vertical jump.

Scott Ware S Ware (6-1¼, 213) had a 36½-inch vertical jump. He did not run.

LenDale White RB White (6-0¾, 244) had 15 lifts, but didn't do any vertical or long jumps. He did not run.

Justin Wyatt CB Wyatt (5-9 1/8, 189) ran his 40s in 4.74 with a bad start but managed a 4.63 with a good start. Had a 10-foot-1 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump, and 14 lifts.

Texas
04-02-2006, 04:59 PM
Warrick Dunn

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:00 PM
Trade down Trade down Trade down
Bush is like the QB's from Texas Tech, he is a reflection of a system

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 05:00 PM
Justin Fargas (6-1, 219, 4.32/40, 27/BP, 115"/LJ, 7%/BF) | USC
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2003/premium/madness/combineresults.html

Faster, bigger and is a backup in the NFL, oh and came from the same school and same system. Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

Yeah, and we're still drafting Bush. Go back to Austin.

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 05:00 PM
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.

1. These guys aren't helping your argument against Bush.

2. So now not only is Reggie's speed less than elite, he's also a liar.

So which team will you be cheering for if Reggie is drafted instead of Vince? I don't know what Reggie did to you - but I don't see how running a 4.33 and 4.37 (.08 of it added because it was a fast track) is counting against him. If your love for Vince is making you hate the guy, atleast stick to valid arguments. Speed isn't one of them.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:02 PM
man i know i'm going to get thrown into the LOVE VY category even though i'm saying i want Bush....all because i said one little truth in the fact that that speed....for that size....isn't unheard of. it doesn't have to be a god damn RB it should matter about the size to speed ratio....so that means....pull in the WR and CB's....and you fill find plenty of those times for that weight. am i going to look them up....no....because its common knowledge that at 200 pounds....4.33 isn't unheard of....your the one who wants to know....prove it to yourself cause i already know it.

once again to sum up....none of this really matters though....because yes....his vision and actualy running skill is unparalleled....but the speed isn't unheard of.

texansfan4life
04-02-2006, 05:04 PM
yea i also saw that so he's fast than 4.33 at 205 and had a nice verticle leap also:yahoo: :yahoo:

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:05 PM
Trade down Trade down Trade down
Bush is like the QB's from Texas Tech, he is a reflection of a system

So how is VY not a reflection of the system that he ran at Texas?

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:06 PM
Justin Fargas (6-1, 219, 4.32/40, 27/BP, 115"/LJ, 7%/BF) | USC
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2003/premium/madness/combineresults.html

Faster, bigger and is a backup in the NFL, oh and came from the same school and same system. Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

Okay Fargas is fast, but that's it. He doesn't have the moves, vision, or receiving skill of Bush.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:06 PM
1. These guys aren't helping your argument against Bush.

2. So now not only is Reggie's speed less than elite, he's also a liar.

So which team will you be cheering for if Reggie is drafted instead of Vince? I don't know what Reggie did to you - but I don't see how running a 4.33 and 4.37 (.08 of it added because it was a fast track) is counting against him. If your love for Vince is making you hate the guy, atleast stick to valid arguments. Speed isn't one of them.

even though i'm not near the homer of crazytexas....he answered what was asked.....who has posted those times?....

and if bush did claim he has gained weight....well...then he sort of did lie....not that i give one **** considering i think he will be just fine at that weight playing ball.

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 05:07 PM
man i know i'm going to get thrown into the LOVE VY category even though i'm saying i want Bush....all because i said one little truth in the fact that that speed....for that size....isn't unheard of. it doesn't have to be a god damn RB it should matter about the size to speed ratio....so that means....pull in the WR and CB's....and you fill find plenty of those times for that weight. am i going to look them up....no....because its common knowledge that at 200 pounds....4.33 isn't unheard of....your the one who wants to know....prove it to yourself cause i already know it.

once again to sum up....none of this really matters though....because yes....his vision and actualy running skill is unparalleled....but the speed isn't unheard of.

I agree the speed isn't unheard of. Yes it didn't rip the clothes from womens bodies a mile away. It didn't form a blackhole and suck LA into an alternate dimension. I know, I know, we all expected it to happen.

On a more serious note, my entire point is that his 40 times shouldn't count against him.

He has enough questions against him without resorting to weak arguments against his speed.

BradK10
04-02-2006, 05:07 PM
Wow, you want to compare Fargas to Bush just because they ran similar 40 times? Christ, your logic for your arguments are ridiculous

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:09 PM
I agree the speed isn't unheard of. Yes it didn't rip the clothes from womens bodies a mile away. It didn't form a blackhole and suck LA into an alternate dimension. I know, I know, we all expected it to happen.

On a more serious note, my entire point is that his 40 times shouldn't count against him.

Agreed....especially those times which are still on the high end of his weight. I didn't necessarily expect him to even run faster than that anyways....I mean....if you watched his games and his speed is what got you all wet....well....you should go watch track and field or something.

rmartin65
04-02-2006, 05:09 PM
Do you all think the Texans are gonna pick him now?

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:09 PM
So how is VY not a reflection of the system that he ran at Texas?

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That was the knockout punch right there.

Vince Young worshippers LOST:tv:

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Wow, you want to compare Fargas to Bush just because they ran similar 40 times? Christ, your logic for your arguments are ridiculous

he was asked to bring up someone with a similar ttime.....not asked to bring up who was just as good....i mean seriously....i'm for bush being our pick but as far as the man-love goes for bush and VY....well its tied.....cause if you mention that either one has ONE quality less than super hero....and its your ***.

chuckm
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

take a few minutes and list the defensive guys that are that fast ... I'm pretty sure Fargas won't be playing defensive back anytime soon ....

ledzeppelin229
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Agreed....especially those times which are still on the high end of his weight. I didn't necessarily expect him to even run faster than that anyways....I mean....if you watched his games and his speed is what got you all wet....well....you should go watch track and field or something.

Yep...and 4.33 is still going to outrun many of the guys chasing him. It isn't an issue.

Anyway time to go get some food...I'll catch up with the discussion when I get back to studying for criminal law.:brickwall

DominickDavisFan76
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Trade down Trade down Trade down
Bush is like the QB's from Texas Tech, he is a reflection of a system


All I have to say is "I bet you have never seen Reggie Bush play." Everyone who has seen him play agrees with me.

Harrisment
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Bush is a joke, all hype


You're losing credibility with each post. Keep it up.

Dunta_23
04-02-2006, 05:11 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.


I didn't read anything after dime a dozen running back...name 1 that has done what he has done in college football

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:13 PM
First off i dont care who we draft, I think our biggest holes to fill are at OL and CB/S. I think that actuall fans of the Texans know that we have a QB, RB, and WR. We lack in the OL the most and it is foolish to think Bush is going to impact our team when history shows that he is average size and speed of guys with his build and on average most are always injured. I like Dom Davis. guy plays his heart off ofr us and to shaft his hard work by bringing in a guy we don't need is really weak, the same is said for Carr.

DominickDavisFan76
04-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Do you all think the Texans are gonna pick him now?

If they are still "thinking" between him and Young, then someone should go up and shoot casserly.

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:14 PM
So how is VY not a reflection of the system that he ran at Texas?

Great post. Bet you no one else replies to it.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:14 PM
well this was fun....pencil Bush in the depth chart. I'm going to go talk about Eric Moulds now....lol

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:14 PM
take a few minutes and list the defensive guys that are that fast ... I'm pretty sure Fargas won't be playing defensive back anytime soon ....

Chuck Norris could catch him.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:16 PM
I didn't read anything after dime a dozen running back...name 1 that has done what he has done in college football


O.K. lets see, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams both hyseman winners and put up equal numbers.

Honoring Earl 34
04-02-2006, 05:16 PM
:brickwall This is funny VY runs a 4.57 and its okay cause he plays fast . Reggie Bush runs a 4.33 and people are dissapointed . I heard RB got around a 30 on his wunderlich . I guess VY's 7 is okay cause he plays fast

chuckm
04-02-2006, 05:17 PM
Chuck Norris could catch him.


maybe, but his Wonderlic was lower than Vince's

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:17 PM
maybe but his Wonderlic was lower than Vince's

Chuck has killed for less.:spy:

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:17 PM
Young is a system guy as well. We do not know how he will do in a different offense

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:18 PM
I like Dom Davis. guy plays his heart off ofr us and to shaft his hard work by bringing in a guy we don't need is really weak, the same is said for Carr.

Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis

Nawzer
04-02-2006, 05:18 PM
Look he ran an excellent 40 and he's shown that he's really fast. But it's not speed that makes Reggie Bush special it's his cutback ability that made him one of the greatest college football players ever. He has excellent speed, but when combined with his ability to stop on a dime and change directions it makes him a really special player.

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:19 PM
O.K. lets see, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams both hyseman winners and put up equal numbers.


Did either of them run a 4.33? Besides to the buffet line and hemp seller respectively?

Mario Williams
04-02-2006, 05:20 PM
:brickwall This is funny VY runs a 4.57 and its okay cause he plays fast . Reggie Bush runs a 4.33 and people are dissapointed . I heard RB got around a 30 on his wunderlich . I guess VY's 7 is okay cause he plays fast

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :redtowel: :redtowel: :yahoo:

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:21 PM
O.K. lets see, Ron Dayne, Ricky Williams both hyseman winners and put up equal numbers.

What's a hyseman?

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:21 PM
Young is a system guy as well. We do not know how he will do in a different offense

If they're both products of their system. Which of the two are more likely to end up in a version of their system in pros? VY in a shotgun, or RB in any type (Much less a run oriented like ours will be)?

chuckm
04-02-2006, 05:21 PM
Look he ran an excellent 40 and he's shown that he's really fast. But it's not speed that makes Reggie Bush special it's his cutback ability that made him one of the greatest college football players ever. He has excellent speed, but when combined with his ability to stop on a dime and change directions it makes him a really special player.

this is the most salient point in this discussion, IMO ....

O.G.
04-02-2006, 05:21 PM
Biased?

Using Reggie's fastest 40, the 4.33, only 4 players ran faster then he did at the combine. Chad Jackson with a 4.32, Tim Jennings with the same, Joseph ran a 4.31 and Hill ran a 4.3.

Of those 4 only, Jackson is bigger; and if the reults are true, Reggie bet him in all the other categories were they both ran/did.

He's certainly faster then everybody's favorite man crush.

Let me put my input in based on in the information I retrieved from NFL. Com. Reggie's Pro Day stats were as follows:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump,.

That information isn't new, but this little excert above should shed alittle light on what many called an impressive 40, but not mind boggling.

They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.

So, let's do the math. 4.33 the first time he ran translates to 4.25 on his first run and a 4.29 on his second run. All of my info is based off NFL.com

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:21 PM
Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis

I don't think you can say talent is greater than heart. Reggie hasn't played a down in the NFL yet so we can't compare his talent level to Davis yet. I think Reggie Bush is great, and I hope we get him, but look at Ricky Williams. He had all the talent in the world, but he blew it. Bryce Drew from Valpo awhile back carried his team to a few victories in the NCAA's and that was all heart. Now once he got to the NBA, that was a differerent story.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Talent>>>Heart

Translation

Bush>>>Davis

lol....that formula isn't exactly scientific....anyways....it depends on the degree of difference in talent....even though between Bush and DD....well....Bush's talent supercedes DD's heart....i just am not so sure we need a RB more than we need a QB....but this year at least we can hopefully keep him on his feet enough to tell.

Nawzer
04-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Can't wait for those battle red Reggie Bush jerseys!

CowboysTexansFan
04-02-2006, 05:23 PM
Casserley is not going to make the decision. He's on a very short leash. The decision on how to use the #1 pick will be made by Bob McNair and Gary Kubiak.

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:23 PM
this is the most salient point in this discussion, IMO ....

You know you just made half this board look up the word salient.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:23 PM
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field

O.G.
04-02-2006, 05:25 PM
....and they say it was an electronic clock so you can supposedly shave .08 of a second off the time. meaning you can say he ran close to a 4.25! now thats blazing!
he's definetely the first pick on the Houston Texans!

Exactly and can you believe a few people on here weren't impressed.....come on now.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:25 PM
Let me put my input in based on in the information I retrieved from NFL. Com. Reggie's Pro Day stats were as follows:

Bush (5-11, 202) ran his 40 in 4.33. Had a 10-foot-9 long jump, 40-inch vertical jump,.

That information isn't new, but this little excert above should shed alittle light on what many called an impressive 40, but not mind boggling.

They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.

So, let's do the math. 4.33 the first time he ran translates to 4.25 on his first run and a 4.29 on his second run. All of my info is based off NFL.com


yeah....i don't necessarily understand that whole electronic time reason thing....and it seems somewhat sketchy....but if it is on nfl.com....well....i'm going to give that benefit of the doubt.....in which that case....well now Bush's speed would be just as elite as his skills.....we aren't going to find anyone timed at 4.25....much less who weighs 200 pounds. i just still don't understand how you would bother measuring something electronically....knowing it was going to be off some. seems like it sort of defeats the purpose.

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:26 PM
Clinton Portis - Combine Stats:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/portis_clinton.htm
Height: 5-11
Weight: 204
4.42 in the 40-yard dash
39-inch vertical jump
31 1/8-inch arm length
8 ¼-inch hands

So worst case we end up with a guy similiar in size to Portis? But almost a whole tenth of a second faster.

I'll take that anyday.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:26 PM
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field

Did they average 8.9 yards per carry?

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:27 PM
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:27 PM
Clinton Portis - Combine Stats:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/portis_clinton.htm
Height: 5-11
Weight: 204
4.42 in the 40-yard dash
39-inch vertical jump
31 1/8-inch arm length
8 -inch hands

So worst case we end up with a guy similiar in size to Portis? But almost a whole tenth of a second faster.

I'll take that anyday.

word.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:29 PM
Reggie hasn't played a down in the NFL yet so we can't compare his talent level to Davis yet.

Even if Reggie hasn't played a single down in the NFL yet, there is now way you can sit up here and say that Domanick Davis talent level is the same as Reggie's. Domanick does not have the agility, field vision, and speed of Reggie Bush. Davis has never shown these three things in college nor the pros. The only concern about Reggie is how quick will his game translate into the pros. We already know what we are getting with Domanick, and that is not saying too much considering that he was the only consistent option we have had at the running back position. I expect way better production with Reggie in the backfield.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:29 PM
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.

man i go to UT and your killing me....its why i feel hesitant to rep one of the best school's in the nation on this board....

dalemurphy
04-02-2006, 05:30 PM
Justin Fargas (6-1, 219, 4.32/40, 27/BP, 115"/LJ, 7%/BF) | USC
http://www.ffmastermind.com/2003/premium/madness/combineresults.html

Faster, bigger and is a backup in the NFL, oh and came from the same school and same system. Bush is a joke, all hype
HMMM took me 3 min to already find a guy faster!

I'm on record on these boards for being in the "trade down" camp. I believe, as a rule, that the 1st pick of the draft is overvalued. Furthermore, I think that injuries and longevity should devalue RBs. However, you are a fool! If you want to be a Longhorn homer, that's fine. However, you lose all credibility when you behave this way.

Yes, there are a few men on the planet faster than Bush. Also, there are some men on this planet stronger than Bush. However, it has been a very long time since a college RB entered the NFL with his measurables and his level of college football success. He is in the Tony Dorsett, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Hershel Walker category. His potential is almost limitless. Personally, I would still trade down or even take Ferguson #1, but it will be fun to watch him on Sundays anyway.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:31 PM
Even if Reggie hasn't played a single down in the NFL yet, there is now way you can sit up here and say that Domanick Davis talent level is the same as Reggie's. Domanick does not have the agility, field vision, and speed of Reggie Bush. Davis has never shown these three things in college nor the pros. The only concern about Reggie is how quick will his game translate into the pros. We already know what we are getting with Domanick, and that is not saying too much.

i don't know about all that....DD is pretty damn good....if not for the injuries....well i think this draft would be looking way different....not because we would be a shoe-in taking VY....but because we would be picking around 4th or 5th.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:31 PM
The news reorter who wrote that article for NFL.com is out of his mind. Electric timing is the standard for acurate timing across the world. If Bush ran a 4.33 then that is his time, not 4.23 or 4.43. I guess the guys in the olympics run a tenth of a second faster than what they time in at. What a dumb comment, very biased towards Reggie type of comment.

Errant Hothy
04-02-2006, 05:31 PM
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field

Really..are you sure? Becuase while Dayne and Ricky rushed for more yards they a) did it on alot more carries and b) had an average no where near Bush's 8.7 ypc.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:32 PM
dude....Bo Jackson would have been the best ever. best athlete ever as far as i'm concerned.....

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:33 PM
The news reorter who wrote that article for NFL.com is out of his mind. Electric timing is the standard for acurate timing across the world. If Bush ran a 4.33 then that is his time, not 4.23 or 4.43. I guess the guys in the olympics run a tenth of a second faster than what they time in at. What a dumb comment, very biased towards Reggie type of comment.

yeah that electronic thing is....i don't understand....did carroll go type that in himself or what?...lol

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:33 PM
What good is Bush is he does not make it out of TC. If we draft him we will be paying NFL premium for three Wide Recievers, Bush, Johnson, and Moulds, because he is too small to play running back. Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.

Too small to play RB?

Warrick Dunn 5-9 180 lbs
Tiki Barber 5-10 200 lbs

corvallis149
04-02-2006, 05:34 PM
Yeah. But he can't help our team. We have DD who rushed for 1000+ yards every season, and Jerome Mathis one of the best return man in NFL. Bush as a Wide Receiver? I saw few people saying that but that is ridiculous. If you look at him only as a wide receiver, he is definitely not worth 1st pick. And Reggie Bush will not lead our team to playoffs. RBs can't lead the team to playoffs. Neither can WR or a return man. Only QB can.

dalemurphy
04-02-2006, 05:34 PM
You asked who has done what Bush has done, i said Dayne and Williams, well actually they put up better numbers than Bush on the field


it depends on what numbers you're talking about. Jerome Bettis has put up more total yards than Tomlinson in the NFL. Would you rather have Tomlinson or Bettis on your team? Can't you admit that Bush is an amazing RB talent? Perhaps he'll suffer injuries and not pan out. Maybe his career will resemble Warrick Dunn more than Barry Sanders. However, you can say that about any high draft pick. Vince Young could certainly turn out like Randall Cunningham. There are no guarantees.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:35 PM
Money coulb be spent on OL to protect Carr.

Money also needs to be spent on giving Carr more offensive weapons to work with.

He didn't have much to work with the past several seasons.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:36 PM
johnny....i don't know how we could solve it....but i'm prety sure i'm an even bigger Gob fan than you....just had to say something finally.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:37 PM
dude....Bo Jackson would have been the best ever. best athlete ever as far as i'm concerned.....

I heard that he ran a 4.19 40

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:37 PM
Money also needs to be spent on giving Carr more offensive weapons to work with.

He didn't have much to work with the past several seasons.

i think we got him some pretty damn good weapons....i wish every single one of our dam picks after bush would be spent on OL....well....except 5 and up....thats where you start looking for the new punter/kicker or PR/KR

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:39 PM
Too small to play RB?

Warrick Dunn 5-9 180 lbs
Tiki Barber 5-10 200 lbs

Yea both injury prone, i have argued this already, look up in NFL.com and look at there numbers. Both have played like 8 or 9 season with only 4 of those years with 1000 yrd seasons.

Johnny Utah
04-02-2006, 05:40 PM
johnny....i don't know how we could solve it....but i'm prety sure i'm an even bigger Gob fan than you....just had to say something finally.

Gob is the man. Sucks that it's getting taken off the air.

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 05:40 PM
If they are still "thinking" between him and Young, then someone should go up and shoot casserly.

No, don't do that. Wait until Moulds is officially a Texan before you do that.:spy:

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:40 PM
I heard that he ran a 4.19 40

i'm a big sports biography reader....and his and ty cobbs were the most amazing i ever read....i mean....i know they are all about the one individual so they are somewhat exaggerated sometimes....but hell....just watch some of his games....and its just ridiculous....the sickest combo of strength size and speed ever. not to mention everything he picked up sports wise he turned pro in one form or another....including surfing and hockey....HOCKEY!!....the dude grew up in alabama....

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:41 PM
i think we got him some pretty damn good weapons....i wish every single one of our dam picks after bush would be spent on OL....well....except 5 and up....thats where you start looking for the new punter/kicker or PR/KR

If we bring Eric Moulds and Reggie Bush in with the addition of Putzier, then Carr will have some pretty damn good weapons to work with. But the talent of the offenses in the past were nothing to brag about. No #2 WR, no TE, those offenses was just too one-dimensional and too easy to predict.

tulexan
04-02-2006, 05:41 PM
Yeah. But he can't help our team. We have DD who rushed for 1000+ yards every season, and Jerome Mathis one of the best return man in NFL. Bush as a Wide Receiver? I saw few people saying that but that is ridiculous. If you look at him only as a wide receiver, he is definitely not worth 1st pick. And Reggie Bush will not lead our team to playoffs. RBs can't lead the team to playoffs. Neither can WR or a return man. Only QB can.


Wasn't Shaun Alexander the MVP this season?

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:41 PM
Gob is the man. Sucks that it's getting taken off the air.

man i think HBO or Showtime is going to pick it up....i'm praying man....they have to....if Curb Your Enthusiasm can be succesful....it should be easy to see arrested development can be too on the right channel.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:42 PM
it depends on what numbers you're talking about. Jerome Bettis has put up more total yards than Tomlinson in the NFL. Would you rather have Tomlinson or Bettis on your team? Can't you admit that Bush is an amazing RB talent? Perhaps he'll suffer injuries and not pan out. Maybe his career will resemble Warrick Dunn more than Barry Sanders. However, you can say that about any high draft pick. Vince Young could certainly turn out like Randall Cunningham. There are no guarantees.

Bettis will be in the Hall of Fame, and dude, get real he has played over 10 years of course he has higher numbers, buddy you are really stretching but I am enjoying the debate

DRAMA
04-02-2006, 05:42 PM
I mean that he is a dime a dozen running back. He posted a average time for top running backs in the draft, he was lighter than most running backs in the past few drafts. I still do not see the hype, if he posted a 4.28 or 4.25 then heck yea I say that is something. At 5'10 202 4.35 is average for the top five running backs taken every year. He is solid for a wide reciever, but do the Texans need another reciever.

Are we on candid camera with this troll?

:rolleyes:

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:43 PM
If we bring Eric Moulds and Reggie Bush in with the addition of Putzier, then Carr will have some pretty damn good weapons to work with. But the talent of the offenses in the past were nothing to brag about.

yeah i meant the dudes we have already brought in this offseason....i mean one of the best receiving tight ends in the league in Putzier and Moulds a legitimate Number 2....arguable stille nough to be a number 1....now with AJ....

UberDork
04-02-2006, 05:44 PM
Yeah. But he can't help our team. We have DD who rushed for 1000+ yards every season, and Jerome Mathis one of the best return man in NFL. Bush as a Wide Receiver? I saw few people saying that but that is ridiculous. If you look at him only as a wide receiver, he is definitely not worth 1st pick. And Reggie Bush will not lead our team to playoffs. RBs can't lead the team to playoffs. Neither can WR or a return man. Only QB can.

We were 27th in the league in TDs and 10th in FGs...I think we need help turning more of those FGs into TDs...Bush would definately help.

DRAMA
04-02-2006, 05:44 PM
How many run 4.3, hold on let me do my research and I will get back with you. I know last year C. Williams and R Brown timed 4.3, I know just off the top of my head that Blaylock, Tomlinson, Dunn, Bennet, Holmes, Ducket, Maurice Drew, Kerry Carter, Justin Fargas, all ran 4.3 give me two hours and I bet I can research and find at least 30 that have run 4.3. Most of the guys on this list are bigger than Bush as well. I think he should have added weight like he claimed he has.


40 time is overrated - however, his vision coupled with that speed, that strength, that agility and those hands are what makes him the number 1 pick by virtually every expert outside of Austin.

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:45 PM
Yea both injury prone, i have argued this already, look up in NFL.com and look at there numbers. Both have played like 8 or 9 season with only 4 of those years with 1000 yrd seasons.

So how about Clinton Portis? Similiar size and weight at the combine (Height: 5-11 Weight: 204). How many games has he missed in his 4 years?

Oh wow look, Portis played for Kubiak and only put up TWO 1500 yard season. What are the chances? :sarcasm:

texan_b
04-02-2006, 05:45 PM
yeah that electronic thing is....i don't understand....did carroll go type that in himself or what?...lol


Manually people usually stop a stopwatch faster then an electronic clock, because people anticipate someone crossing a line. If anything anyone timed manually should get time added on to their times.

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 05:46 PM
Maybe I shouldn't do this but why not. :stirpot: It hasn't been said if Bush were running against the wind or with the wind. If he was running with the wind than he's slower than his time. If he was running against the wind than Whoa!!!

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:46 PM
Maybe I shouldn't do this but why not. :stirpot: It hasn't been said if Bush were running against the wind or with the wind. If he was running with the wind than he's slower than his time. If he was running against the wind than Whoa!!!

He is the wind.

Kaiser Toro
04-02-2006, 05:47 PM
Oh wow look, Portis played for Kubiak and only put up TWO 1500 yard season. What are the chances?

They traded Portis, who they were not paying #1 money, for the top CB in the game. Very different situation and a very different ending than Bush supporters would like to hear.

ToroFan
04-02-2006, 05:47 PM
I think the comparisons with Ronnie Brown are a bit of a reach.

Every knows Bush is fast (as he proved today). What surprised people last year was no one thought Brown was that fast (or even close to what he ran). I don't think Bush hurt his stock today at all.

I think the ultimate question will be Bush's ability to run inbetween the tackles in the NFL. If he can do that, then it will put defenses in a quandry in terms of matchups. If not, teams will just treat him like a wr who lines up in the backfield.

I think that is why Kubes goes back and forth when watching game tape. He's trying to figure out that question about Bush.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:47 PM
yeah i meant the dudes we have already brought in this offseason....i mean one of the best receiving tight ends in the league in Putzier and Moulds a legitimate Number 2....arguable stille nough to be a number 1....now with AJ....

With the talent we are adding to the offense, I bet chu AJ will be soo happy he won't be seeing those double and triple teams no more:cool:

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:48 PM
I think D'Brick is perfect, he sounds like a great guy, had steller numbers and is a real down to earth guy. Every year we say we are going to bring in a top OL and we never do. This draft is our chance. Next year you have Adrian Peterson and Brady Quinn both are arguably just as good as Bush and Young. Team, remember that word, our Team is weak at the OL not at RB. We are weaker at the QB spot than at the RB spot. They think Carr will pann out, and we knoe DD is great. Lets get the O'Line that can lift this team to the next level.

The Dude Abides
04-02-2006, 05:49 PM
Maybe I shouldn't do this but why not. :stirpot: It hasn't been said if Bush were running against the wind or with the wind. If he was running with the wind than he's slower than his time. If he was running against the wind than Whoa!!!

Rumor has it Pete Carroll brought out huge warehouse fans and pointed them in Reggie Bush's direction. He wanted to prove that he wasn't the fastest person on earth.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:49 PM
40 time is overrated - however, his vision coupled with that speed, that strength, that agility and those hands are what makes him the number 1 pick by virtually every expert outside of Austin.

i not only live in austin i go to UT...and realize Bush should and will be our number 1....so lets try to calm down on the generalizations....i could just as easily generalize the man-lovers for Bush....

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 05:49 PM
He is the wind.

LMAO, oh that was great I didn't expect that. Lol.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:51 PM
Manually people usually stop a stopwatch faster then an electronic clock, because people anticipate someone crossing a line. If anything anyone timed manually should get time added on to their times.

lol....i get why to do electronic timing....but the whole adds .8 seconds thing isn't very clear....at all really.....doesn't matter really though i guess.

DRAMA
04-02-2006, 05:51 PM
I think D'Brick is perfect, he sounds like a great guy...is a real down to earth guy.

...We are weaker at the QB spot than at the RB spot.

Yeah, he is a nice guy. Good argument for taking him number 1. My dad's a nice guy but he's 65....

Also, since we need so much help at QB, why do we not take the unquestionable number 1 QB on the board? Why Vince?

:rolleyes:

Runner
04-02-2006, 05:52 PM
They ran outdoors on AstroTurf, which was a fast surface. All 40-yard dash times were clocked electronically, which historically adds about 8/10 of a second to the actual time. For instance, if someone ran the 40 in 4.50 seconds, it really means he ran it in about 4.42 seconds.


The news reorter who wrote that article for NFL.com is out of his mind. Electric timing is the standard for acurate timing across the world. If Bush ran a 4.33 then that is his time, not 4.23 or 4.43. I guess the guys in the olympics run a tenth of a second faster than what they time in at. What a dumb comment, very biased towards Reggie type of comment.

lol....i get why to do electronic timing....but the whole adds .8 seconds thing isn't very clear....at all really.....doesn't matter really though i guess.


Let me take a shot at this. You are right, electronic timing is the most accurate. However, if you are comparing it against hand held timing it might measure longer because the human operator doesn't start his stop watch immediately on the gun - that could explain a 0.8 second lag. In other words, a group of timers could have timed the same run as the electronic timing and come up with a shorter time. They can see the finish line coming and be ready to "stop", but they can't anticipate the start. It is the hand-held timing that is inaccurate and the electronic that reads "slower".

Just one more reason they should all run at the combine.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:52 PM
With the talent we are adding to the offense, I bet chu AJ will be soo happy he won't be seeing those double and triple teams no more:cool:

lets hope....that way maybe he will actually want to stay with us when FA rolls around for him....cause as of right now....yes he seems like the nicest guy in the world....but he would be out of here so damn fast.

DRAMA
04-02-2006, 05:52 PM
i not only live in austin i go to UT...and realize Bush should and will be our number 1....so lets try to calm down on the generalizations....i could just as easily generalize the man-lovers for Bush....

I meant legitimate experts, not just us fans. Also, I like Vince but I just don't think he's the best QB in the draft. No hatred - just my opinion.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:54 PM
Yeah, he is a nice guy. Good argument for taking him number 1. My dad's a nice guy but he's 65....

lol....thats pretty good stuff.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 05:54 PM
They traded Portis, who they were not paying #1 money, for the top CB in the game. Very different situation and a very different ending than Bush supporters would like to hear.

That was Mike Shanahan's decision not Gary Kubiak's.

Mike Shanahan=Executive Vice President of Football Operations/Head Coach

Gary Kubiak=Offensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach

We do people tend to forget that Shanahan makes all the personnel decisions for the Broncos:confused:

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 05:56 PM
I meant legitimate experts, not just us fans. Also, I like Vince but I just don't think he's the best QB in the draft. No hatred - just my opinion.

understandable....i think he has the most upside and truly do think he will reach it....but i can't blame a team in this kind of shape for not going on upside....and going for the sure thing.....which please god all mighty let bush be a sure thing.

texan_b
04-02-2006, 05:56 PM
lol....i get why to do electronic timing....but the whole adds .8 seconds thing isn't very clear....at all really.....doesn't matter really though i guess.

same goes with stopping a stop watch with your thumb. You should stop one with your pointer finger reflex wise it is quicker.

dalemurphy
04-02-2006, 05:57 PM
Bettis will be in the Hall of Fame, and dude, get real he has played over 10 years of course he has higher numbers, buddy you are really stretching but I am enjoying the debate


That's right.. Ricky and Dayne both played 4 years while Bush only played three. Now you're catching up.

PapaL
04-02-2006, 05:58 PM
That was Mike Shanahan's decision not Gary Kubiak's.

Mike Shanahan=Executive Vice President of Football Operations/Head Coach

Gary Kubiak=Offensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach

We do people tend to forget that Shanahan makes all the personnel decisions for the Broncos:confused:

And how many 1500 yard rushers have they had since he left?

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:58 PM
What?? OH this is so dumb! Another thing, how did Bush grow from 5'10.5 at the NFL combine to 5'11??? Kinda weird? I can understand gaining weight, or loosing weight, but growing and shrinking????? Sort of makes me question the whole post at NFL.com Plus in every other report they always post with the wind and against the wind times, was their no wind?? Or did he only run one 40????

bad
04-02-2006, 05:58 PM
lol....i get why to do electronic timing....but the whole adds .8 seconds thing isn't very clear....at all really.....doesn't matter really though i guess. The .08 seconds is added because they ran on AstroTurf. At Fresno State's Pro Day they ran on soggy grass and deducted .05 seconds. I guess it's all relative.

The electronic timing is the only accurate part of comparing 40 times, and will be until they have all the athletes run on the same surface under the same conditions.

Which ain't gonna happen.

All Bush's 40 time did for me was tell me what I already knew. It was his bench presses that told me what I wanted to hear.

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 05:59 PM
That's right.. Ricky and Dayne both played 4 years while Bush only played three. Now you're catching up.

Even with another year he would have never caught Dayne or Williams numbers! Get real buddy!

Frank_The_Tank
04-02-2006, 06:00 PM
D'Brick for president

tulexan
04-02-2006, 06:00 PM
Reggie was 10th all time in all purpose yards after his Junior year. Who knows what he would have been if he went back.

Kaiser Toro
04-02-2006, 06:01 PM
That was Mike Shanahan's decision not Gary Kubiak's.

Mike Shanahan=Executive Vice President of Football Operations/Head Coach

Gary Kubiak=Offensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach

We do people tend to forget that Shanahan makes all the personnel decisions for the Broncos:confused:

Thank you Captain Obvious. What does that have to do with my post which was in response to another post?

PapaL
04-02-2006, 06:01 PM
Plus in every other report they always post with the wind and against the wind times, was their no wind?? Or did he only run one 40????

There are no winds in a Domed stadium. Not sure if thats where he ran though, but it was on Astro-turf. So it could be. Disregard - they ran outdoors.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 06:01 PM
And how many 1500 yard rushers have they had since he left?

None, they had running backs that barely broke the 1,000 yard mark the past two seasons. I say they miss Clinton Portis more than the tend to lead on.

:thumbdown to Mike Shanahan starting Ron Dayne next season though:thumbdown

Errant Hothy
04-02-2006, 06:01 PM
What?? OH this is so dumb! Another thing, how did Bush grow from 5'10.5 at the NFL combine to 5'11??? Kinda weird? I can understand gaining weight, or loosing weight, but growing and shrinking????? Sort of makes me question the whole post at NFL.com Plus in every other report they always post with the wind and against the wind times, was their no wind?? Or did he only run one 40????

Reggie was 5' 10 and 7/8" at the combine, or in layman terms 5'11".

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 06:02 PM
The .08 seconds is added because they ran on AstroTurf. At Fresno State's Pro Day they ran on soggy grass and deducted .05 seconds. I guess it's all relative.

The electronic timing is the only accurate part of comparing 40 times, and will be until they have all the athletes run on the same surface under the same conditions.

Which ain't gonna happen.

All Bush's 40 time did for me was tell me what I already knew. It was his bench presses that told me what I wanted to hear.

yeah those bench presses are sick.....i mean....i'm not sure people are understanding how incredible that is for a 200 pounder....i doubt that has been done much at the combine....and definetely not someone with bush's skill.....

they make it seem like though that the electronic timing has something to do with the extra .8.....or when i read it thats what it sounded like....maybe the have cleared it up....but yeah i understand the adding the time for the astroturf.....although it would be nice to see everyone just do the damn thing at the combine....everyone has the same conditions....i mean ****....if its the one month more they want to prepare....move the thing back some....

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 06:02 PM
Thank you Captain Obvious. What does that have to do with my post which was in response to another post?

I don't know, I was just throwing that out thereidonno:

:shrug:

Errant Hothy
04-02-2006, 06:03 PM
Even with another year he would have never caught Dayne or Williams numbers! Get real buddy!

Also neither Ricky nor Dayne averaged anything near Reggies 8.7 ypc, are you catching on yet?

dalemurphy
04-02-2006, 06:04 PM
Even with another year he would have never caught Dayne or Williams numbers! Get real buddy!


The point is that you don't judge what a player is going to do in the NFL based upon his career yardage totals in college:

Terrell Davis
Ronnie Brown

Charles White
Ron Dayne


please tell me which duo of RBs you would've rather had.

bkimble
04-02-2006, 06:04 PM
We don't need to draft a backup or part-time player with the first pick in the draft. Bush couldn't even start for a college team. See the link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/196383_husk22.html

:yahoo:

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 06:06 PM
Well as far as the Portis trade was concerned the Broncos got the best CB in the game and a 1st rd pick. That's alot of value. I mean Culpepper only went for a 2nd rounder so what does that say about a RB's value.

jaayteetx
04-02-2006, 06:07 PM
Last I checked, John Elway didn't win a Superbowl until Terrell Davis showed up. Come on now, Reggie Bush will be the face of this franchise for years to come. Mark my words. Reggie, Reggie, Reggie!

PapaL
04-02-2006, 06:07 PM
We don't need to draft a backup or part-time player with the first pick in the draft. Bush couldn't even start for a college team. See the link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/196383_husk22.html

:yahoo:

Did you happen to see the date of your article? Friday, October 22, 2004, the year before he won the Heisman.

LikeABoss
04-02-2006, 06:08 PM
We don't need to draft a backup or part-time player with the first pick in the draft. Bush couldn't even start for a college team. See the link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/196383_husk22.html

:yahoo:

That article is in 2004, Reggie was a sophmore that year.

Last year, the year of 2005-2006, Reggie was a junior and he started.

You LOST

dat_boy_yec
04-02-2006, 06:08 PM
We don't need to draft a backup or part-time player with the first pick in the draft. Bush couldn't even start for a college team. See the link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/196383_husk22.html

:yahoo:

Bell doesn't start for the Broncos either. Yet who did they let go in the FA? Who was more valuable to the Broncos.

texasguy346
04-02-2006, 06:09 PM
Didn't VY split time with Chance Mock?

tulexan
04-02-2006, 06:10 PM
We don't need to draft a backup or part-time player with the first pick in the draft. Bush couldn't even start for a college team. See the link.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/196383_husk22.html

:yahoo:


That is a great article from the beginning of the 2004 season. Let's try to find a more current article next time.

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 06:13 PM
i'm pretty sure he was joking.

Mike Kerns
04-02-2006, 06:17 PM
Some of these UT guys are ridiculous. What they all said "Didn't Matter" about VY pro day they are all using AGAINST Bush. Who the heck knows....:confused:

JAXwithanX
04-02-2006, 06:19 PM
whoops....misread....bad post....yeah....i thought about putting a UT avatar up....but then promptly decided to wait until after the draft.