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gtexan02
03-29-2006, 08:16 PM
We've got this "potential filled" but underachieving QB who we are in the process of surrounding with offensive weapons (If we go after Moulds and Bush we will have AJ, DD, Mathis and added JP, Moulds, Bush and Walter) so he has no excuses. I just hope DC fairs better than Joey. When I watch both of them play, I get the feeling that JH was never really accepted into his position, and taht the rest of the players on the offensive side were unispired. If we have this as our offense:

AJ
Moulds
DD
Bush
Putzier
Walter
Mathis

I think we may become the next Colts. What about you guys?

TexanSam
03-29-2006, 08:22 PM
Quick question to everyone who reads this post.

Would you rather have Matt Millen or Charlie Casserly as your GM? No neither answers. Which would you take?

GLM
03-29-2006, 08:38 PM
Quick question to everyone who reads this post.

Would you rather have Matt Millen or Charlie Casserly as your GM? No neither answers. Which would you take?

I'd take Casserly.

As for Carr I'll reserve judgement until I see how he plays with an offensive line that can pass block.

hollywood_texan
03-29-2006, 08:44 PM
underachieving qb?

substitute P. Manning as our qb, even though he'll call what the Defense is gonna do our, line still wouldn't beable to stop him, and peyton will get sacked twice as many times, b/c he's slower.

David carr, was playing in a bad offensive system, w/ a bad o-line
give him a chance- hardly any qb turns ProBowl in 3yrs. especially one playin for a bad team.

The sack problem is more schemes, play calling, and the coaching with Carr not making adjustments.

How did the Indy offensive line play so terrible in one game against Pittsburgh in the playoffs? The answer is Manning and the coaching staff did not make the correct adjustments. How could five guys play so bad in tandem in one day? The didn't, that problem was Manning and the coaching.

The front office took care of the coaching with the hiring of Kubiak. Now Carr will need to step up in his play and make the right decisions during the game, especially at crunch time. And later down the road, during the season, they will have to make adjustments because defenses will begin to read their tendacies.

This whole sack problem starts and ends with Carr and Kubiak/Sherman.

Erratic Assassin
03-29-2006, 09:04 PM
Quick question to everyone who reads this post.

Would you rather have Matt Millen or Charlie Casserly as your GM? No neither answers. Which would you take?

Okay, okay you found the one GM in the NFL who is more incompetent than Casserly.

Mailman04
03-29-2006, 09:18 PM
I don't agree with everything CC does though its hard to find fault this spring. However, Millen is an *****

HJam72
03-29-2006, 09:49 PM
Wait! Wait! It wasn't the pass protection that failed Indy. Manning didn't make his reads fast enough and he was locking onto the #1 target, lol. Most of those sacks were his fault.

As far as Carr goes, you people know that he hasn't had his 12 yrs. to learn the system. Give the POOR guy a break! Mark my words: Carr will carry this team to a SB win in 2024. :yahoo:

Texas
03-29-2006, 10:19 PM
No I dont agree the colts have a line...we dont...the colts have a great D, we have a decent one. I think last year casserly should have sat at QB for a day and took all the sacks and then maybe he would have realized our O-Line was not working.

Big B Texan Fan
03-29-2006, 10:27 PM
the colts have a great D, we have a decent one.

WHAT

run-david-run
03-29-2006, 10:28 PM
I think he was comparing the offense only, and until this season, the Colts D was average at best. However, if we do get Moulds and the O-line is servicable, we could be looking at a Chargers like turnaround. Maybe not quite in record, but possibly in production, which would be a welcomed first step.

Texans Horror
03-29-2006, 11:21 PM
Assuming we get Moulds and RB, we will have some really powerful offensive weapons. I would like having Moulds here if for no other reason than to work with AJ. We are pumping the team with veteran leadership, something this team woefully needs.

Carr should have everything he needs to work the gridiron this year. The next two years will define who he is: a QB who had to fight through hell for his rookie seasons, or a potential qb who never rose up.

Personally, I think he will do fantastic. I'm putting my stakes in the coaching. I never anticipated this much offseason activity from the Texans, and I think it will only improve the team.

We are not - let me repeat - NOT copying the Lions! They have blew everything on receiver after receiver after receiver. The Texans are spreading their picks around to improve the entire team.

Bobo
03-30-2006, 12:48 AM
We've got this "potential filled" but underachieving QB who we are in the process of surrounding with offensive weapons (If we go after Moulds and Bush we will have AJ, DD, Mathis and added JP, Moulds, Bush and Walter) so he has no excuses. I just hope DC fairs better than Joey. When I watch both of them play, I get the feeling that JH was never really accepted into his position, and taht the rest of the players on the offensive side were unispired. If we have this as our offense:

AJ
Moulds
DD
Bush
Putzier
Walter
Mathis

I think we may become the next Colts. What about you guys?

Not one lineman mentioned in your post. This isn't fantasy football. This is the NFL.

Bobo
03-30-2006, 12:50 AM
Assuming we get Moulds and RB, we will have some really powerful offensive weapons. I would like having Moulds here if for no other reason than to work with AJ. We are pumping the team with veteran leadership, something this team woefully needs.

Carr should have everything he needs to work the gridiron this year. The next two years will define who he is: a QB who had to fight through hell for his rookie seasons, or a potential qb who never rose up.

Personally, I think he will do fantastic. I'm putting my stakes in the coaching. I never anticipated this much offseason activity from the Texans, and I think it will only improve the team.

We are not - let me repeat - NOT copying the Lions! They have blew everything on receiver after receiver after receiver. The Texans are spreading their picks around to improve the entire team.

Yeah, right. I'll believe it when Carr doesn't get sacked six times a game and the defense can stop handing RBs record rushing yardage.

Bobo
03-30-2006, 12:52 AM
The sack problem is more schemes, play calling, and the coaching with Carr not making adjustments.

Play calling? So are you saying that the problem is that they are calling too many passes? And coaching? I didn't see Capers or Palmer allow one sack during the four years they were here.

gtexan02
03-30-2006, 12:56 AM
Ahhh, none of you nderstood at all what I was trying to say.

I didn't include offensive lineman in there because thats not what the LIONS did. I was trying to compare our offseason strategies with the LIONS offseason strategies, and say that we are putting Carr into the same position the lions put harrington into last year. I'm not say our FO is the same as theirs, or that our players are thes ame as theirs. I'm not insulting the Texans by comparing them to the Lions, because all in all there moves have looked great on paper.

What I was trying to ask was whether or not you think the Texans are providing Carr with as many weapons as they can so that they can see whether or not he's the real deal. Just like the LIONS did with Harrington

Bobo
03-30-2006, 01:27 AM
What I was trying to ask was whether or not you think the Texans are providing Carr with as many weapons as they can so that they can see whether or not he's the real deal. Just like the LIONS did with Harrington

Did the Lions ever provide Harrington with an OL? Seems that should be the mantra and refrain when offensive production is being discussed. Just about any "skill player" can do well if the entire offensive line is doing it's job. You'd think with the famous Dan Marino gloves commercial that football folks would realize that by now.

TexansTrueFan
03-30-2006, 01:34 AM
We've got this "potential filled" but underachieving QB who we are in the process of surrounding with offensive weapons (If we go after Moulds and Bush we will have AJ, DD, Mathis and added JP, Moulds, Bush and Walter) so he has no excuses. I just hope DC fairs better than Joey. When I watch both of them play, I get the feeling that JH was never really accepted into his position, and taht the rest of the players on the offensive side were unispired. If we have this as our offense:

AJ
Moulds
DD
Bush
Putzier
Walter
Mathis

I think we may become the next Colts. What about you guys?

yeah i cant really judge carr based on performance since he never has enough time do anything with the ball, his best season was 2004 and he was still the most sacked qb in the league. so if he has protection imagine what the boy can do, i wouldnt compare us to detroit, carr has shown promise on our bad team. i think with descent protection he could be a pro bowl type player. i guess time will tell. but i think this is his make or break season since the staff is trying to make us 100% better on both sides of the ball ! I just hope getting scared of sacks hasnt made him a conservative qb, and make him always look for the guy to dump it off too, we need to take more shots down the field.

gtexan02
03-30-2006, 02:05 AM
The OL is not some static force that either is good or bad. Its all tied into coaching, skill positions, QB awareness, etc. Let me explain:

1. If Carr has proper awareness and can read blitzes, he will get sacked less and correctly audible to a run play or a screen pass

2. If Carr has better vision, he can either break the pocket faster or get rid of the ball quicker

3. If the skill positions were upgraded, they could get open quicker and thus take pressure off Carr

4. If the WRs in specific are better they force the safeties to play back in coverage rather than walking up to the line to blitz

5. If the RB is better, it makes the LBs hang back just a second to make sure its not a toss play, giving Carr a little more time

6. If the TE is better, it prevents the OLBs from blitzing, because he's a legitimate pass catcher. Furthermore, if the TE is a good blocker, it helps stop a killer DE

See? The OL is important, but every player on offensive directly effects the OL's performance as well

michaelm
03-30-2006, 02:13 AM
Not one lineman mentioned in your post. This isn't fantasy football. This is the NFL.


Flanagan

rafterticket
03-30-2006, 12:49 PM
Quick question to everyone who reads this post.

Would you rather have Matt Millen or Charlie Casserly as your GM? No neither answers. Which would you take?

Casserly, without a doubt. Why? Because the Lions, for some reason, are still taking Millen seriously.