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Texans34Life
03-29-2006, 04:49 PM
If it's been posted, lock it up!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3755397.html

LAKE BUENA VISTA, FLA. - At the AFC coaches' breakfast Tuesday morning, Gary Kubiak was bombarded with questions about the first pick in the draft.

Reggie Bush or Vince Young?

Kubiak was able to straddle the fence like a seasoned politician. He's getting so much practice he should be able to run for office.

Kubiak attended the University of Texas pro day and called Young's performance "super."

On Saturday, Kubiak will have dinner in Los Angeles with Bush before Southern California's pro day Sunday.

Kubiak will not attend another pro day.

Next week, Young will come to Reliant Stadium to meet with the Texans and put on a private workout for Kubiak and his staff. At some point, Bush will come to Houston and do the same thing.

Perhaps the best way to gain insight into what the Texans might do with the first pick in the draft — selecting Bush, it says here — is to see what Kubiak says about David Carr.

"Anybody can lead when they have success," Kubiak said. "When you start to be successful in this league, you gain confidence, and your teammates start to gravitate to you.

"In Denver, the expectations are high, and Jake Plummer came from Arizona and walked into a totally different environment. Our job as coaches was to help make him successful so his teammates could see him prosper. Our players saw him pay a price, and they started to gravitate to him.

"That's what we have to do with David. His work ethic's going to help him lead. Success will be the key to helping him lead."

Pressure is on

Carr has been meeting with Troy Calhoun, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. When Kubiak returns from Los Angeles, he'll begin meeting with Carr almost every weekday.

"We've asked him to pay a special price this offseason, more than he's ever paid, and he's been willing to do that," Kubiak said. "We've put a lot on him, and he's doing everything we're asking. In talking to him, I don't have any doubts that it's inside of him.

"I put a lot of pressure on myself, to be honest with you. I've got to get the best out of him. He's got it, and we've got to find it."

Kubiak has watched every play of every game the past two seasons.

"Any time you're not having success, you can get into some bad habits," Kubiak said. "I saw him start to press in a lot of ways. That's common, and if you're a competitor you're going to do that because you're going to try to do more.

"We can't overload him, or the same thing's going to happen. As coaches, we naturally want to go fast teaching him our system, but we've got to slow down and make sure he's comfortable."

Sacks have to stop

One priority is to keep Carr from being the NFL's most sacked quarterback for the fourth time.

"If anything, he's going to take even more responsibility from that standpoint," Kubiak said. "We told him we want people to see you take that upon yourself.

"I want to play to his strengths. I see a quarterback whose athletic ability is his strength. He can present so many problems for the defense.

"We've got to allow him to move around. We want him to throw on the run. I want him to take off. I don't want him to stay in the pocket all the time. I don't want him to be afraid to run on third-and-five."

Kubiak doesn't think it's fair to ask if Carr is good enough to lead the Texans to a Super Bowl victory.

"The key to winning a Super Bowl is having a great team," said Kubiak, who has been to six Super Bowls and owns three rings. "You can't put the pressure of being a Super Bowl team on one player.

"I watched that take place with John Elway. He was one of the greatest ever, but we didn't win a Super Bowl until we got a good team around him. We're not going to put all that pressure on David. We've got to get good as a team and then go from there."

Actually, Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he got a great running back, Terrell Davis, to help him.

"Well, uh, yes, one of those players might have been a great back," Kubiak said with a smile.

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2006, 04:57 PM
sounds to me we are gonna keep carr, and d.d yeah we'll be trading down :yahoo:

TEXANS84
03-29-2006, 04:59 PM
Isn't it great to read quotes from the coach and not hear the word "execute"?

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2006, 05:02 PM
Isn't it great to read quotes from the coach and not hear the word "execute"?

haha yeah its a nice change of pace, and i have actaully seen kubiak have more than one facial expression WOW :redtowel:

SteelBlueToro
03-29-2006, 05:08 PM
sounds to me we are gonna keep carr, and d.d yeah we'll be trading down :yahoo:
Hmmm... didn't get the impression that a trade down was coming.

TexansTrueFan
03-29-2006, 05:12 PM
Hmmm... didn't get the impression that a trade down was coming.


well me either it was a lil sarcasim of what i want to happen. :rolleyes:

Caesar
03-29-2006, 05:22 PM
What Carr needs to attain that success is an offensive line. They better get started.

jerek
03-29-2006, 05:24 PM
I have a confession to make. This is Gary Kubiak. What I said in this morning's Chronic is the exact same thing I've been saying on this board for months. David's got his work cut out for him, but we all believe he's the guy for the job. He can make all the throws, he can be a leader on this team, and we're going to see to it that he does both. Football is about team, and people that try to act as it if it's all David's fault just don't "get it." I hope you'll still come to the games this year, we're going to have a good time winning. Besides, Bob's buying us all free chocolate cake and ice cream after we spank the Cowgirls.

Sincerely,

Gary Kubiak

P.S. We're not drafting Vince. Sorry.

wrestler4life
03-29-2006, 05:49 PM
Let us hope that they try to add some lineman in the draft. I am certainly not sold on anyone we have other than Pitts.

El Amigo Invisible
03-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Let us hope that they try to add some lineman in the draft. I am certainly not sold on anyone we have other than Pitts.

I agree. I do not know who is going to play LT . I think Pitts should be at RT. I hope we beef up too on the OL.

Dunta_23
03-29-2006, 05:57 PM
- Flanagan is a Pro-bowl centre
- McKinney was an above average guard before coming to Houston
- Pitts will be good at LT if he starts training camp there
- Wand showed promise at LT, so he should do well at RT
- RG, between Weigart, Weary and whoever else is available, this spot should be ok

Dr. Toro
03-29-2006, 06:01 PM
I have a confession to make. This is Gary Kubiak. What I said in this morning's Chronic is the exact same thing I've been saying on this board for months. David's got his work cut out for him, but we all believe he's the guy for the job. He can make all the throws, he can be a leader on this team, and we're going to see to it that he does both. Football is about team, and people that try to act as it if it's all David's fault just don't "get it." I hope you'll still come to the games this year, we're going to have a good time winning. Besides, Bob's buying us all free chocolate cake and ice cream after we spank the Cowgirls.

Sincerely,

Gary Kubiak

P.S. We're not drafting Vince. Sorry.

You're the man Gary, but this guy you're talking about Carr becoming;

"We've got to allow him to move around. We want him to throw on the run. I want him to take off. I don't want him to stay in the pocket all the time. I don't want him to be afraid to run on third-and-five."

Well that sure sounds like the guy you're not gonna draft.

the wonger need food
03-29-2006, 06:33 PM
"If anything, he's going to take even more responsibility from that standpoint," Kubiak said. "We told him we want people to see you take that upon yourself."


This would be a refreshing change...

bkimble
03-29-2006, 06:53 PM
If it's been posted, lock it up!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3755397.html

LAKE BUENA VISTA, FLA. - At the AFC coaches' breakfast Tuesday morning, Gary Kubiak was bombarded with questions about the first pick in the draft.

Reggie Bush or Vince Young?

Kubiak was able to straddle the fence like a seasoned politician. He's getting so much practice he should be able to run for office.

Kubiak attended the University of Texas pro day and called Young's performance "super."

On Saturday, Kubiak will have dinner in Los Angeles with Bush before Southern California's pro day Sunday.

Kubiak will not attend another pro day.

Next week, Young will come to Reliant Stadium to meet with the Texans and put on a private workout for Kubiak and his staff. At some point, Bush will come to Houston and do the same thing.

Perhaps the best way to gain insight into what the Texans might do with the first pick in the draft — selecting Bush, it says here — is to see what Kubiak says about David Carr.

"Anybody can lead when they have success," Kubiak said. "When you start to be successful in this league, you gain confidence, and your teammates start to gravitate to you.

"In Denver, the expectations are high, and Jake Plummer came from Arizona and walked into a totally different environment. Our job as coaches was to help make him successful so his teammates could see him prosper. Our players saw him pay a price, and they started to gravitate to him.

"That's what we have to do with David. His work ethic's going to help him lead. Success will be the key to helping him lead."

Pressure is on

Carr has been meeting with Troy Calhoun, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. When Kubiak returns from Los Angeles, he'll begin meeting with Carr almost every weekday.

"We've asked him to pay a special price this offseason, more than he's ever paid, and he's been willing to do that," Kubiak said. "We've put a lot on him, and he's doing everything we're asking. In talking to him, I don't have any doubts that it's inside of him.

"I put a lot of pressure on myself, to be honest with you. I've got to get the best out of him. He's got it, and we've got to find it."

Kubiak has watched every play of every game the past two seasons.

"Any time you're not having success, you can get into some bad habits," Kubiak said. "I saw him start to press in a lot of ways. That's common, and if you're a competitor you're going to do that because you're going to try to do more.

"We can't overload him, or the same thing's going to happen. As coaches, we naturally want to go fast teaching him our system, but we've got to slow down and make sure he's comfortable."

Sacks have to stop

One priority is to keep Carr from being the NFL's most sacked quarterback for the fourth time.

"If anything, he's going to take even more responsibility from that standpoint," Kubiak said. "We told him we want people to see you take that upon yourself.

"I want to play to his strengths. I see a quarterback whose athletic ability is his strength. He can present so many problems for the defense.

"We've got to allow him to move around. We want him to throw on the run. I want him to take off. I don't want him to stay in the pocket all the time. I don't want him to be afraid to run on third-and-five."

Kubiak doesn't think it's fair to ask if Carr is good enough to lead the Texans to a Super Bowl victory.

"The key to winning a Super Bowl is having a great team," said Kubiak, who has been to six Super Bowls and owns three rings. "You can't put the pressure of being a Super Bowl team on one player.

"I watched that take place with John Elway. He was one of the greatest ever, but we didn't win a Super Bowl until we got a good team around him. We're not going to put all that pressure on David. We've got to get good as a team and then go from there."

Actually, Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he got a great running back, Terrell Davis, to help him.

"Well, uh, yes, one of those players might have been a great back," Kubiak said with a smile.


Watching the Texans' games I have noticed three things:

1. David Carr holds onto the ball too long and doesn't know how to throw it away
2. Carr rarely throws the ball over the middle of the field

3. David Carr isn't a leader. He's a cry baby!

I just don't think he is a QB that can take you to the next level and I don't think adding Reggie Bush will do all that much for him. Besides our most consistent player on offense is Dominick Davis. Drafting RB is like the lions drafting 3 WR in a row when they had huge holes elsewhere. Its make no sence!:pigfly:

aj.
03-29-2006, 06:57 PM
"We can't overload him, or the same thing's going to happen. As coaches, we naturally want to go fast teaching him our system, but we've got to slow down and make sure he's comfortable."


Don't forget to fluff his pillow, turn down his bed and place the chocolate juussst right.

If #8 isn't capable of fast tracking after 4 years in the NFL, especially after cashing over 20 million in checks, then maybe he isn't the right guy after all.

I can hear it already.... "give him time, he's learning a new system."

Remember what Big Daddy always said in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof?"

Where is that 'devil on my shoulder' smilie anyway?

travfrancis
03-29-2006, 07:00 PM
"We've got to allow him to move around. We want him to throw on the run. I want him to take off. I don't want him to stay in the pocket all the time. I don't want him to be afraid to run on third-and-five."

Well that sure sounds like the guy you're not gonna draft.

yeah it really is amazing how seemingly perfect vince fits the type of system we want to run, oh well the fate was decided i guess 4 years ago when carr was drafted #1.

Texizgreat
03-29-2006, 07:15 PM
I really wish Vince would have stayed in one more year......

bkimble
03-29-2006, 07:15 PM
yeah it really is amazing how seemingly perfect vince fits the type of system we want to run, oh well the fate was decided i guess 4 years ago when carr was drafted #1.


Dude, Carr's own lineman hates him...many of his sacks were because he would run out of bounds a few yards shy of the line of scrimmage rather than throw the ball away, which of course counts as a sack, think about how much crap the Texans OL got from their buddy and think about how many of those sacks wouldn't have occurred if our great QB would have simply thrown the ball away. This guy is a joke.

Think about this, when the game on the line, the OL has to believe in their QB, respect their QB, the Texans OL does neither.

The word around the NFL is he will never, ever be successful (he doesn't even take his OL out to lunch, nor do they want him too). And dude has the rep for being lazy! Please draft VY...Good luck Texans.

:yahoo:

TexanSam
03-29-2006, 07:21 PM
Dude, Carr's own lineman hates him...many of his sacks were because he would run out of bounds a few yards shy of the line of scrimmage rather than throw the ball away, which of course counts as a sack, think about how much crap the Texans OL got from their buddy and think about how many of those sacks wouldn't have occurred if our great QB would have simply thrown the ball away. This guy is a joke.

Think about this, when the game on the line, the OL has to believe in their QB, respect their QB, the Texans OL does neither.

The word around the NFL is he will never, ever be successful (he doesn't even take his OL out to lunch, nor do they want him too). And dude has the rep for being lazy! Please draft VY...Good luck Texans.

:yahoo:

Please give me proof that says his own lineman don't like him. I'm pretty sure that would be public knowledge if it were true. It would be nice if you showed me where people around the NFL believe he's not going to succeed.

bkimble
03-29-2006, 07:25 PM
Please give me proof that says his own lineman don't like him. I'm pretty sure that would be public knowledge if it were true. It would be nice if you showed me where people around the NFL believe he's not going to succeed.


I am talking about players not GM's and coaches. Talk to some of the players and they'll tell you about anothers players rep.

TexanSam
03-29-2006, 07:36 PM
I am talking about players not GM's and coaches. Talk to some of the players and they'll tell you about anothers players rep.

So when did you talk to our offensive linemen? At an autograph signing at Academy?

Long-Spurs-Texan
03-29-2006, 07:46 PM
"I put a lot of pressure on myself, to be honest with you. I've got to get the best out of him. He's got it, and we've got to find it."


Pretty sad when a guy goes #1 overall as the face of a new franchise & "it" needs be "found". Sad. Newsflash, "it" isn't going to be found.

outofhnd
03-29-2006, 07:47 PM
Lucky we didnt do the cut your hair in back to back wins this year. David Carr would look like Cousin IT from the Addams Family.

bkimble
03-29-2006, 08:52 PM
So when did you talk to our offensive linemen? At an autograph signing at Academy?


Dude, I remember a segment on 610 with John and Lance a while back they were interviewing one of the rookies from the texans and the question was asked "who is one of the leaders" on the field, or in the locker room?

Interestingly enough, he says players like Mckinney, and Robinson among several others without mentioning Carr. I think John asked "what about David Carr?"...the player laughed (if I recall correctly). Real nice, not exactly a resounding vote of confidence. Come on my man you know Carr is a joke.
Hey look, I know Carr is your boy, but when some players dont think of the starting QB as one of the leaders, I think that's a problem. What about you?
:yahoo:

HJam72
03-29-2006, 09:16 PM
I have a confession to make. This is Gary Kubiak. What I said in this morning's Chronic is the exact same thing I've been saying on this board for months. David's got his work cut out for him, but we all believe he's the guy for the job. He can make all the throws, he can be a leader on this team, and we're going to see to it that he does both. Football is about team, and people that try to act as it if it's all David's fault just don't "get it." I hope you'll still come to the games this year, we're going to have a good time winning. Besides, Bob's buying us all free chocolate cake and ice cream after we spank the Cowgirls.

Sincerely,

Gary Kubiak

P.S. We're not drafting Vince. Sorry.


Good point.

You're the man Gary, but this guy you're talking about Carr becoming;

"We've got to allow him to move around. We want him to throw on the run. I want him to take off. I don't want him to stay in the pocket all the time. I don't want him to be afraid to run on third-and-five."

Well that sure sounds like the guy you're not gonna draft.

Good point.

Screw it, let's just Trade Down. Maybe we can bring in that Harvard kid to compete with Carr, lol.

Runner
03-29-2006, 09:50 PM
Dude, I remember a segment on 610 with John and Lance a while back they were interviewing one of the rookies from the texans and the question was asked "who is one of the leaders" on the field, or in the locker room?

Interestingly enough, he says players like Mckinney, and Robinson among several others without mentioning Carr. I think John asked "what about David Carr?"...the player laughed (if I recall correctly). Real nice, not exactly a resounding vote of confidence. Come on my man you know Carr is a joke.
Hey look, I know Carr is your boy, but when some players dont think of the starting QB as one of the leaders, I think that's a problem. What about you?
:yahoo:

He didn't laugh, he wasn't a rookie, McKinney wasn't mentioned, he didn't name "several" players...

other than that, excellent post.

Don't people realize when they make stuff up to bolster their argument, it hurts the argument? Real nice try though.


p.s. Review my posts - I think you'll find I'm not a "Carr Lover" or whatever the hipster term is now. However, I occasionally post asking for sanity on the board.

El Amigo Invisible
03-29-2006, 09:55 PM
Donovan's lineman must despise him because he is cheapest player in the NFL . Oh Wait , He got them to the Superbowl without TO. :crying:

Texans_Chick
03-29-2006, 09:58 PM
I think you'll find I'm not a "Carr Lover" or whatever the hipster term is now.


I think the term is "Brokebackian Carr Minion."





or not. :cool:

Runner
03-29-2006, 10:10 PM
(he doesn't even take his OL out to lunch, nor do they want him too).



I suppose you think the players really hated it when Carr rented out the ballroom of the team hotel and threw a New Year's party for them before the San Francisco game. I thought it showed he cared enough to make sure they could celebrate New Year's even though they were away from home.

Sorry if this doesn't fit the stereotype, but some of the pablum around here is getting old.


p.s. Let me help you out:

pablum: n. - Trite, insipid, or simplistic writing, speech, or conceptualization: “We have to settle for the pablum that passes for the inside dope”

infantrycak
03-29-2006, 11:56 PM
pablum: n. - Trite, insipid, or simplistic writing, speech, or conceptualization: “We have to settle for the pablum that passes for the inside dope”

In this context, you are going to have to provide definitions for trite and insipid as well.

Ibar_Harry
03-30-2006, 12:05 AM
Donovan's lineman must despise him because he is cheapest player in the NFL . Oh Wait , He got them to the Superbowl without TO. :crying:

Yea!, but his mother serves them soup......

CoastalTexan
03-30-2006, 12:20 AM
What's with all the newbs from the "Vince Era", we're not getting him. Putting down Carr will not make Kubiak want Vince, we all know he has flaws but it's Carr+Bush>Vince. Read the article. Go to the Raiders board or whoever is the team that is supposed to be looking at him now.

michaelm
03-30-2006, 01:33 AM
Sorry if this doesn't fit the stereotype, but some of the pablum around here is getting old.

p.s. Let me help you out:

pablum: n. - Trite, insipid, or simplistic writing, speech, or conceptualization: “We have to settle for the pablum that passes for the inside dope”




In this context, you are going to have to provide definitions for trite and insipid as well.



Whoa there fella... first things first.
What's that n. mean?

Sarcasm smilie goes right about here ---^

bkimble
03-30-2006, 07:07 AM
He didn't laugh, he wasn't a rookie, McKinney wasn't mentioned, he didn't name "several" players...

other than that, excellent post.

Don't people realize when they make stuff up to bolster their argument, it hurts the argument? Real nice try though.


p.s. Review my posts - I think you'll find I'm not a "Carr Lover" or whatever the hipster term is now. However, I occasionally post asking for sanity on the board.

another point, C'mon, dude, I live here in Houston and would love nothing more to see the Texans do well (and draft VY). But realistically, they are not just one WR acquisition away from being a playoff contender. Carr is no leader and commands no respect from his teammates. And Kubes nor anybody else will be able to fixed that train-wreck called David Carr. This guy is afraid in the pocket, and make bad plays, period. Now, that's sanity on the board.
:pigfly:

OzzO
03-30-2006, 08:00 AM
Coach even mentions it in his interview....

Kubiak doesn't think it's fair to ask if Carr is good enough to lead the Texans to a Super Bowl victory.

"The key to winning a Super Bowl is having a great team," said Kubiak, who has been to six Super Bowls and owns three rings. "You can't put the pressure of being a Super Bowl team on one player.

"I watched that take place with John Elway. He was one of the greatest ever, but we didn't win a Super Bowl until we got a good team around him. We're not going to put all that pressure on David. We've got to get good as a team and then go from there."

But then what does the rest of the thread focus on..... exactly. Get a grip. Good thing is, we have certain posters who have the inside track to know how the team feels, especially based off a long snapper's interview a year or so ago.

Funny thing mentioned at the end though...

Actually, Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until he got a great running back, Terrell Davis, to help him.

"Well, uh, yes, one of those players might have been a great back," Kubiak said with a smile.

If we're going to go after a QB this draft, which I doubt, I could see Leinhart before Young. But agree with the equation above, more generalized - "Carr + another playmaker > new QB"..... for now anyway.

Runner
03-30-2006, 08:46 AM
another point, C'mon, dude, I live here in Houston and would love nothing more to see the Texans do well (and draft VY). But realistically, they are not just one WR acquisition away from being a playoff contender. Carr is no leader and commands no respect from his teammates. And Kubes nor anybody else will be able to fixed that train-wreck called David Carr. This guy is afraid in the pocket, and make bad plays, period. Now, that's sanity on the board.

Same song, different verse, played on a rusty trombone.

Maddict5
03-30-2006, 09:27 AM
another point, C'mon, dude, I live here in Houston and would love nothing more to see the Texans do well (and draft VY). But realistically, they are not just one WR acquisition away from being a playoff contender. Carr is no leader and commands no respect from his teammates. And Kubes nor anybody else will be able to fixed that train-wreck called David Carr. This guy is afraid in the pocket, and make bad plays, period. Now, that's sanity on the board.
:pigfly:

i dont want to dog any1 but look at the facts- A 45 year old that lives in houston and joined the board in the last few weeks that want VY and regurgitates the same old anti-carr myths(plus adds a few more of his own) that have already been proven false...make your own conclusions about what type of fan he is..


PS- im not saying DC is the truth or anything but i think kubiak, reeves etc have a little more insight in qbs etc than any of us and if they think hes good enough il take their word

Texans Horror
03-30-2006, 09:41 AM
Carr needs a line. With Flanagan in the middle and Sherman playing offensive coach, I think Carr has the protection he needs to get the ball to Bradford, Mathis, AJ, and DD.

By adding Reggie Bush, Eric Moulds, etc. to the lineup, our QB has talent to throw to.

With Kubiak, who has worked with some of the greatest quarterbacks of our time, Carr finally has a coach who can help him to excel.

Make it or break it year for Carr.

hollywood_texan
03-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Game 1 of the 2005 season against Buffalo, one of the offensive lineman asked Carr what was going on during the passing plays because they don't look downfield.

Carr's response was, "Dude, they are all covered."

During the off season and preseason, they consistently talked about how they were getting the ball earlier. Buffalo knew what they were running and they coaching staff and Carr didn't adjust.

You can blame the line all you want, but the problems with the offense last year was coaching and Carr, and was the problem in previous years.

The coaching side has changed and now Carr has to produce or move on.

thegr8fan
03-30-2006, 07:17 PM
Please give me proof that says his own lineman don't like him hmmm, could his 'leading the NFL for 4 years in Sacks' be considered proof enough?

and I am totally with you aj. If Carr needs to be spoon fed an offense after playing 4 years in the NFL it just re-enforces my opinion that Carr simply isn't quick enough 'upstairs' to adjust to the speed of the NFL and the speed at which decisions have to be made to excell in the NFL. Particularly the decision on when a WR is OPEN or not.

as for the original thread thought of what it would take for Carr to succeed. Read my signature line below.