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Nighthawk
03-29-2006, 02:09 PM
Here's something interesting from the Falcons --

Falcons coach Jim Mora on changes to the Atlanta offense in 2006: "What we've done this offseason is we've looked at Texas, West Virginia and Missouri and some of their shotgun run stuff and the way they use their quarterbacks in their system. Some of the stuff they do out of the shotgun is kind of like the old veer stuff with the quarterback making reads, putting the ball in the running back's stomach, reading the end and either dropping it off and pulling it out. We have a quarterback that's capable of that. It's great stuff. Working from under center, it's tough to see. In the shotgun, you can see it. We're trying to learn from anyone we can."

Means to me that the Titans will follow Mack Brown's brainstorm when they get Vince Young.

DominickDavisFan76
03-29-2006, 02:11 PM
Um.......this is a Texans Message Board

So I dont really care about the falcons but thanks for your time.

Mike Kerns
03-29-2006, 02:32 PM
Thank god ! Falcons are my other team & I think this is great. West Coast is not right for Vick. Much like Vince, stop trying to control him & just let him do what he can do. Now, if he only had anyone to throw to. Finneran & Roddy White.......Not going to get it done. We complain on here about not wanting Walter as out #2, but at least we do have a #1. Alge Crumpler gets more catches than those two do...:soapbox:

infantrycak
03-29-2006, 02:35 PM
This is the NFL section and the style of the offense is the subject.

This was originally placed in the Texans Forum not the NFL Forum.

kiwitexansfan
03-29-2006, 02:47 PM
It will be interesting to see what they add to their playbooks.

I have always thought that the Falcons system didn't suit Vick at all.

If they do add a lot of Texas style shotgun-run stuff it will be interesting to find out if all those people who say that it can't work against NFL level defenders are right or not.

You never know it could become the next offensive revolution, like the West Coast offence was back in the day......

Double Barrel
03-29-2006, 04:26 PM
So now that a good spy defense has proven to be able to stop Vick, it will be interesting to see what his arm is all about. This separates the good from the great QBs at the end of the day, not running abilities.

It will be interesting to see how offenses scheme to use the shotgun. But I think there are reasons why the NFL hasn't had a pure shotgun offense in a long time.

WWJD
03-29-2006, 04:47 PM
I seem to remember Roger Staubach was in the shotgun offense alot and very successful at it. Of course that was eons ago; defensive guys are much bigger and faster now. I'd kind of like to see Vick in the shotgun. He's a fun guy to watch.

TheOgre
03-29-2006, 04:48 PM
The zone offense would work well for Vick. He would have a bit more emphasis on the run than Young/Texas did. They might also be able to throw downfield a lot too, though, since Vick has such a cannon. The West Coast offense just doesn't seem to play to Vick's or the receivers' (fast but unreliable) strengths.

run-david-run
03-29-2006, 05:41 PM
Yeah, the Falcon's offense, esspecaily their passing game, has really been inconsistent for a while. Obviously the running attack works, and works well, but while Vick is a special talent, he requires a special system, one that the Falcons are yet to provide.

infantrycak
03-29-2006, 07:21 PM
I seem to remember Roger Staubach was in the shotgun offense alot and very successful at it. Of course that was eons ago; defensive guys are much bigger and faster now. I'd kind of like to see Vick in the shotgun. He's a fun guy to watch.

The Cowboys always used the shotgun as a situational tool, not a base offense.

As an aside--heard an interesting unverified stat this morning. A caller on 610 am claimed (no independent verification disclaimer) no QB of a SB winning team had more than something like 326 yds of rushing during their SB winning season--Roger Staubach in 1973 I think. Just a tid bit.

jgite
03-29-2006, 09:06 PM
It will be interesting to see if the zone read will be successful in the NFL. You would think with the proliferation of zone defenses that a formation that was designed to beat the zone wouldn't work. I know there are more factors involved, but it makes you think. I really hope it works so Vick can do what he does best and the team that picks Vince will have some guts to do it.

P.S. I still think VY is perfect for the Kubiak offense, oh well. I guy can dream.:pigfly:

Wharton
03-30-2006, 12:53 AM
If being in the Shotgun suites your QB then that is what you should do. For several years Steve McNair was very sucessful as a one read then run QB. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Elway and Marino used the Shotgun allot as well. Again, it wasn't their base defense, but they used it quite a bit and was quite sucessful at it.

Huge
03-30-2006, 11:00 AM
I don't think you're going to see them running this offense exclusively or even the majority of the time. But it'd benefit them to add it in here and there.

What I don't understand about the debate against the "simplified spread" offense in college is why it's so tough to defend? I mean if it's such a simplistic offense, it shouldn't be a problem for defensive coordinators to handle it...right?

But look at some of the top offenses around the country and check out what offense they're running.

And more teams are jumping on. Baylor has installed it and will be running it this year.