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Nighthawk
03-29-2006, 01:12 AM
Read this thread. Pay attention to this Bongo59 guy--he's very well connected with the team.

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/titanscentral/vpost?id=1011070

Apparently the Titans are _very_ high on Young after a better-than-reported pro day, also interview with the Titans, etc. and spec is that Young will not get past Titans if he gets that far.

Lucky
03-29-2006, 11:02 AM
Pay attention to this Bongo59 guy--.
How can you not pay attention to someone named Bongo?........He worked so well with Reagan.........So Reese likes Vince........Fisher wants Mario Williams.......Chow was surprised by Vince, but probably still loves Matt.........By deduction, Cutler must be the pick..........

gwallaia
03-29-2006, 11:03 AM
Bongo is a frequent visitor to texanstalk.com.

Nighthawk
03-30-2006, 01:49 AM
ORLANDO, Fla. The Big 12 came to fear Vince Young. So did Southern Cal. Now it's the NFL's turn.

Young quarterbacked Texas to a national championship in 2005, beating Southern Cal in the Rose Bowl with his arm and legs, then decided to skip his senior season to enter the 2006 NFL draft.

Since that time Young has become the most scrutinized player on the draft board. He's been criticized for his low Wonderlic test score, his throwing motion and the infrequency he took direct center snaps in college.

More than 100 NFL types attended his workout in Austin last week to watch him run and throw.

"I have a sense that what this league does to a guy who plays that brilliantly is beat up on him pretty good," said Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick during a break at the NFL spring meetings. "A guy who's going to go as high [in the draft] as Vince Young will be critiqued and over-critiqued."

Why? Because the NFL doesn't quite know what to make of Young.

"Unique is a word you don't want to throw out there too often," Billick said. "But this guy is truly unique and that uniqueness is what has most people apprehensive.

"We all want to make comparisons to give ourselves a comfort zone, like the Jake Plummer-Joe Montana analogy. A Matt Leinart is very direct. We've seen him before in this league. He translates very easily, so you have a much stronger conviction about how he'll do.

"But there's trepidation with a guy as unique as Young. It's a little frightening."

Billick is an expert on quarterbacks and what it takes to play the position in the NFL. He called the plays as the offensive coordinator at Minnesota in 1998 when the Vikings set an NFL scoring record and quarterback Randall Cunningham went to the Pro Bowl.

Billick was the head coach of the Ravens in 2000 when Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl as a caretaker quarterback. Billick also has coached Brad Johnson, Elvis Grbac and Kyle Boller. He's coached mobile quarterbacks and pocket passers, big arms and the average arms.

In short, Billick has coached all types of quarterbacks but he's never seen one quite like Young.

"If you try to pigeon hole him as a Randall Cunningham or a Michael Vick I don't know if you're going to be able to connect the dots in a way you'd like," Billick said. "As Vick has done, Young could create his own category because of the size, the speed and the athleticism."

Dennis Green was the head coach of that Minnesota team that set the NFL scoring record. He also coached Daunte Culpepper at Minnesota, and now coaches Kurt Warner at Arizona.

So Green also knows a little something about quarterbacks and he knows there's more to the position than just taking the center snaps.

"The game is about a guy's talent and intangibles," Green said. "I'd say Vince Young probably has the most intangibles we've seen in a long, long time. You're talking about a guy who's changed the game. He played against USC and made them look like they had average athletes on the field. It's because he was such a superior athlete.

"We try to make this game more complicated than it is. Does he throw completions? Can he lead his team? Does he have the instincts for the position? I think he'll be a hell of a pro."

Young passed for 267 yards and rushed for 200 yards and three touchdowns in a 41-38 victory over Southern Cal in the national title game. For the season, Young completed 65.2 percent of his passes for 3,036 yards and 26 touchdowns and rushed for 1,050 yards and 12 more scores, finishing as the Heisman Trophy runner-up.

Jacksonville Jaguars general manager James Harris says forget questions about Young's intelligence, delivery and ability to function in a conventional offense.

"The only question you have to ask is do you want to play against him?" Harris said.

E-mail rgosselin@dallasnews.com

from here:
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/032906dnspogosselin.121c9607.html

Grid
03-30-2006, 02:06 AM
"The only question you have to ask is do you want to play against him?" Harris said


YES!!! as many times per season as possible!

KSig44
03-30-2006, 07:53 AM
Until he can read a playbook consisting of more than 4 pages then yes. I don't fear his scrambling in the NFL, first run out of the pocket he will get lit up by at least 7 players on the opposing team that are faster than him.

Maddict5
03-30-2006, 10:47 AM
was that the bongo that posted during............................................ ..........................the ..............david...........givens.............. .trade.....................................thread. ..................................


edit- just opened the link- its definitely him

Huge
03-30-2006, 11:09 AM
YES!!! as many times per season as possible!
Careful what you wish for.

MikeMc
03-30-2006, 11:57 AM
The reason so many NFL brass are talking VY up, is so that the teams above them in the draft waste a high pick on him. It happens every year. You can never believe the NFL brass between the Super Bowl and the Draft. They are either positioning for trading the pick, or hoping someone will waste a pick on players....hoping to bump their guy down.

TreWardTxn
03-30-2006, 05:55 PM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk] ORLANDO, Fla.–
"The game is about a guy's talent and intangibles," Green said. "I'd say Vince Young probably has the most intangibles we've seen in a long, long time. You're talking about a guy who's changed the game. He played against USC and made them look like they had average athletes on the field. It's because he was such a superior athlete.

"We try to make this game more complicated than it is. Does he throw completions? Can he lead his team? Does he have the instincts for the position? I think he'll be a hell of a pro."


Jacksonville Jaguars general manager James Harris says forget questions about Young's intelligence, delivery and ability to function in a conventional offense.

Man nothing could be closer to the truth. At some point even NFL football is something like being on the playground, you know who is going to make plays out there and what kinda guys you want on your team. People say, 'Vince won't be able to run away from defenders like he did at Texas', but don' realize that he won't have to. Just the threat of him running is going to take one or two defenders out the scheme, that's open spaces to throw to. A QB who is a matchup issue by himself can be nothing but a great thing to have...

Tejaspro
03-30-2006, 08:54 PM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk] ORLANDO, Fla.–
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People say, 'Vince won't be able to run away from defenders like he did at Texas', but don' realize that he won't have to. Just the threat of him running is going to take one or two defenders out the scheme, that's open spaces to throw to. A QB who is a matchup issue by himself can be nothing but a great thing to have...

I guess I don't catch the logic here....

If people say he won't be able to run away from defenders like he did at Texas, why would there be any threat? Why would a defense need to use two defenders to cover that possibility... I mean, if he won't be able to run away from defenders, why worry about it? Why not just play him straight up?

This is certainly entertaining. For those that love Vince Young, he is the greatest quarterback that ever was, is, or will ever be. And only a downright fool would pass him up. Unfortunately, Reggie Bush is rated by everyone (except those that are mentioned above) higher on the draft board. They just don't get it, I guess. Maybe they haven't seen Vince Young play.

I will say this... the folks that are runnin' the Texan's show, and getting paid big bucks to do it... if they draft Vince Young instead of Reggie Bush, maybe then... and only then, will I begin to believe Vince Young may become the greatest quarterback ever. But, even I have to admit.... Vince Young is a very talented player. But, alas, so is Reggie Bush. And there doesn't seem to be as much debate over his abilities. :brickwall

slamdunc
03-31-2006, 06:27 AM
Until he can read a playbook consisting of more than 4 pages then yes. I don't fear his scrambling in the NFL, first run out of the pocket he will get lit up by at least 7 players on the opposing team that are faster than him.
KSig nailed it. Vince ran through and shook off tackles each of the last two years in a watered down Big 12. There were some really poor defenses last year in Big 12. He was a man among boys. The problem now is he will a man among men and PROBABLY won't through as many tackles with the big boys. However, he never ceases to amaze and nothing would surprise me.