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Peldon
03-28-2006, 12:58 PM
"Bad news might be on the horizon for Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson and the other purveyors of outrageous touchdown celebrations.

The NFL's competition committee is proposing a crackdown on rocking the baby, teeing off like Tiger and anything else that might be considered taunting."


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nflmeetings&prov=ap&type=lgns

Wharton
03-28-2006, 01:21 PM
Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

:stirpot:

ensign_lee
03-28-2006, 01:32 PM
Booh.

The celebrations are part of the fun.

Porky
03-28-2006, 01:37 PM
Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

:stirpot:

Ditto. I guess good sportmanship is old fashioned to this generation, along with respect for your elders, and a host of other things. Generation Y and X is more like generation s-u-c-k.

Okay, that last part was just for fun. Don't throw maters. :hide:

kbourda
03-28-2006, 01:44 PM
If you ask me the NFL competition comittee should be cracking down on refs and what common folks like us see are BS calls. The celebrations should be the least of the NFL's concerns right about now.

Tale Gator
03-28-2006, 01:56 PM
Outrageous touchdown celebrations can be directly correlated to the degeneration of the --American way of -- life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I also strongly feel that TABC should stake out football games and arrest fans that may be acting different from others in attendance.

In addition I would like my home wiretapped -- just in case...

Double Barrel
03-28-2006, 02:03 PM
Good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

I agree....especially the part about using the ball. Just give it back to the ref and act like you've been there before, much less get paid to do your job.

Win the Superbowl with a TD, dance like no tomorrow. But score a TD in a regular season game, it gets carried away and becomes circus.

If you ask me the NFL competition comittee should be cracking down on refs and what common folks like us see are BS calls.

I agree with this, too. I think they are talking about making reviews of all calls up in the booth.

infantrycak
03-28-2006, 02:06 PM
If you ask me the NFL competition comittee should be cracking down on refs and what common folks like us see are BS calls.

They are addressing two urgent issues for refs--allowing review of down by contact/whistle blown calls for turnovers (think of the Manning fumble in 2004--called an incomplete pass, Capers challenged, ref said after review that the arm did not come forward so it was a fumble but a whistle blew and so the play was unreviewable) and trying to get specific on what is and is not holding.

kbourda
03-28-2006, 02:08 PM
I put TD celebrations in the class with cheerleaders, pre game intros, and erectile dysfunction ads. They are all unnecessary but it's what makes the NFL go round.

Double Barrel
03-28-2006, 02:26 PM
I put TD celebrations in the class with cheerleaders, pre game intros, and erectile dysfunction ads. They are all unnecessary but it's what makes the NFL go round.

yeah, I can definitely undestand that pov. I just draw the line at the field of play and turning it into a circus. It cheapens the game, especially when the ball and field are part of the celebrations. All the other stuff you mentioned is sidelines, and I'd have no problem if players went to their benches and did whatever they chose to do.

It's a fine line and I respect both sides of the issue, though.

axman40
03-28-2006, 03:12 PM
The No Fun League is back!

:sleep:

TheOgre
03-28-2006, 03:47 PM
Generation Y and X is more like generation s-u-c-k.

Okay, that last part was just for fun. Don't throw maters. :hide:

Porky, I think it is high time we all ate some rinds.

BTW, what the heck do they call the people born between the Baby Boomers and the Gen X'ers, Gen F's? :stirpot:

profan
03-28-2006, 03:56 PM
Good, i was getting tired of seeing our opponents celebrating all the time.

thegr8fan
03-28-2006, 08:51 PM
Just give it back to the ref and act like you've been there before, much less get paid to do your job. my thoughts exactly. I don't go to see a player's antics, I go to watch a football team win or lose.

although some of those are down right hilarious

Cincinnatikid
03-28-2006, 10:01 PM
I hate to be negative, but the people that dont like the celebrations are usually from places that have losing teams. I myself am a huge bengals fan and like the rest of my city and much of the country I love when Chad Johnson celebrates. He never does anything disrespectful to the other team, fans, or anything negative. Football is a game that people watch for entertainment, its not life or death. If someone wants to dance for 3 seconds after they score then who cares, if someone wants to pretend its not a big deal then fine. The league should not be concerned about some dancing that is bringing them millions of dollars becuase fans want to watch it. It attracts a whole new crowd that may not previously be watching.

Yvette
03-28-2006, 10:29 PM
There's a difference between celebrating and performing a one man show. The latter has nothing to do with being part of a team and that's why it annoys me.

aj.
03-29-2006, 06:31 AM
So I guess all of you end zone grab assers won't be grabbin any *** this year?

Spiking the ball is a one man show. So is acting a fool. Some of the group choreographed celebrations like the Fun Bunch were the worst ever.

I want my Ickey Shuffle -- it's part of the game's fabric.

Somewhere, Elmo Wright is shedding a tear.

Marcus
03-29-2006, 07:40 AM
Somewhere, Elmo Wright is shedding a tear.
I remember Elmo Wright. You and I are gettin up there in years, aj. :) Who was it that came first . . . Elmo at UH or Billy 'White Shoes'?

And who did Elmo end up with? The Chiefs?

powerfuldragon
03-29-2006, 08:14 AM
Patriot Act strikes again.

Yvette
03-29-2006, 08:45 AM
I want my Ickey Shuffle -- it's part of the game's fabric.
I can see where you're coming from aj but it leads me to something else... Is this entertaining performance about sports or theater?

The Olympics are all about athleticism and extraneous drama is shunned. Why? Why is it different from the NFL? Should it be?

Kaiser Toro
03-29-2006, 09:24 AM
The NFL is what it is because of the product and entertainment value that it provides. Not allowing the players to exhibit a celebration is silly in my view for such a great accomplishment. If they want to clean it up then flag any celebration or gesture on plays that do not result in a touchdown.

It is on the other team to stop the TD, therefore they are vested to prevent the perceived upsmanship. Moreover, I do buy into the cliche that you should act like you have done it before, but on the other side of the coin most of us have never brought the ball across the goal line in the NFL so we cannot actually speak to the experience of being there before.

Cincinnatikid
03-29-2006, 11:45 AM
There's a difference between celebrating and performing a one man show. The latter has nothing to do with being part of a team and that's why it annoys me.

You can have a one man show, ie chad johnson, and then you have all his teammates running over to see what he is doing because they are just as excited. One man dancing by himself is not selfish if everyone in the stadium and on his team want to see it. If people like CJ were problems then people like Marvin Lewis stop it. I hate to say it but its a new decade of football and things change with time. In the words of wedding crashers "grow up peter pan, count chocula".

Yvette
03-29-2006, 12:06 PM
I hate to say it but its a new decade of football and things change with time.
But the NFL disagrees. And if you can take Fisher's word for it, the NFLPA disagrees as well. I posted on the Titans board I wish the media just wouldn't show it, like the fans who run out onto the field. The home crowd would still be entertained if thats their thing and no flags would be thrown.

tulexan
03-29-2006, 12:13 PM
I don't mind players spiking the ball, dunking the ball through the goal posts, spinning the ball, or even dancing. But some of those celebrations were just stupid last year. Like Chad Johnson proposing to a cheerleader, playing golf with a pylon, or doing CPR on the ball. The worst was still Steve Smith wiping the ball.

Kaiser Toro
03-29-2006, 12:59 PM
I don't mind players spiking the ball, dunking the ball through the goal posts, spinning the ball, or even dancing. But some of those celebrations were just stupid last year. Like Chad Johnson proposing to a cheerleader, playing golf with a pylon, or doing CPR on the ball. The worst was still Steve Smith wiping the ball.

I think we agree on this one as I concur that there are things that are out of bounds and should be fined appropriately after the game. Let the players know that they are thin ice and need to clean it up and I think they will get the message.

It owuld be interesting to see what the player's and agent's take is on this when it comes to the new revenue stream that they have with video games. The entertaiment value that the dances bring have a way to allow art imitate life and start developing fans for life who will progress from entertainment to true football fans as they get older.

Double Barrel
03-29-2006, 01:16 PM
The No Fun League is back!

I hear this all the time, and I just don't get it. :um:

The game of FOOTBALL is fun to watch. Calling the NFL "no fun league" seems to put more importance on the circus act instead of the game itself.

Strip everything away and just give us the game of FOOTBALL, and I'll still be a rabid fan with season tickets every year. This other stuff - cheerleaders, endzone celebrations, bands, etc., - are just diversions to the MAIN ACT.

Some of you folks act like the game is boring and won't have much to offer unless we let people act like fools in the endzone. Why stop at goofy dances and ball humping then? Why not bring in the circus clowns, trapeze artists, and lion cages. Then EVERY touchdown can have a mini-Mardi Gras attached to it. Obviously this is the best solution because the game of FOOTBALL is just no fun at all. :ok:

And why stop at TDs? Why not let them just dance and celebrate every play? wooohooo, made a tackle, time for the obligatory breakdance. yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun....or maybe not...

You know what really sucks? Watching TO or CJ do their little celebrations from six different camera angles (ad nauseum) on NFL Primetime instead of using that time to show us more highlight plays. Yeah, novel idea, more replays of the game itself instead of all the goofy antics.

Cincinnatikid
03-29-2006, 02:41 PM
I don't mind players spiking the ball, dunking the ball through the goal posts, spinning the ball, or even dancing. But some of those celebrations were just stupid last year. Like Chad Johnson proposing to a cheerleader, playing golf with a pylon, or doing CPR on the ball. The worst was still Steve Smith wiping the ball.

Once again, people in the city's that it occurs love these guys. CJ and Smith are two pro bowlers who sell jerseys all over the country. If AJ started catching 10 touchdowns a year and 100 yards a game and he wanted to dance, im sure everyone on here would sing a different toon. The problem is that the people that like it are watching winning teams. I also think it takes nothing away from the game because if they werent playing well they wouldnt be celebrating so often. This is a two sided argument that will never be resolved. No matter what anyone says they watch football to be entertained, just like all sports, movies, or the gladiators from rome. If there is something that will bring more viewers then it is a success. I watch football every sunday afternoon and I like to talk about the specific aspects of the game, but i also love to watch to see what Chad Johnson will do next. I think its great to see a guy who stays with the city and team that drafted him because he likes them, even when they didnt win, and he still can show that he is out there having fun. He shows that he is playing not only to win but for fun which most guys dont show. Its a game, not a business meeting or court room where everyone has to be straight faced the whole time.

infantrycak
03-29-2006, 07:15 PM
The problem is that the people that like it are watching winning teams.

Simmer down CinnyKID. There are plenty of folks on here who have been fans of winning teams for decades--dare I say much more often than Bengals fans--so it isn't just an opinion of winning teams vs. non-winning teams. Some folks just think it is getting out of hand. While I agree much of what was going on last year was very creative, one guy out of 11's showboating shouldn't become the focus of the attention. It took an OL, coaching staff and very good QB to get CJ his TD's--it doesn't look like it when he is being interviewed, checking off guys who held him under 70 yds or carrying out his creative, but selfish showboating celebrations.

Cincinnatikid
03-29-2006, 07:36 PM
Simmer down CinnyKID. There are plenty of folks on here who have been fans of winning teams for decades--dare I say much more often than Bengals fans--so it isn't just an opinion of winning teams vs. non-winning teams. Some folks just think it is getting out of hand. While I agree much of what was going on last year was very creative, one guy out of 11's showboating shouldn't become the focus of the attention. It took an OL, coaching staff and very good QB to get CJ his TD's--it doesn't look like it when he is being interviewed, checking off guys who held him under 70 yds or carrying out his creative, but selfish showboating celebrations.

however if you listen to the rest of the team talk to the media they all love how he takes attention and stress away from the rest of the team. carson palmer and tj housh both love CJ and they state how his extra attention causes the rest of the offense to open up. he is a smart man that knows he can still perform with the extra attention on the field and that he is allowing rudi and tj to have more room to work. the bengals havent had trouble admitting that they have a great oline, rb, qb, receivers, etc. they play well as a team and they won their division and CJ is a huge reason for it.

And my point was that when these guys play on winning teams the majority of that teams fan base loves them. i know some will never like it, but its a fact that cincy loves chad johnson

outofhnd
03-29-2006, 08:10 PM
They arent banning all celebrations. Just the ones that go to extremes or delay the game. You can celebrate without using the football, Or moving any of the field equipment. It becomes a time waster When the official says hey thats enough be done with it.

And to the person who raves about the feeling of scoring a TD and this and that spare me. The only ones who dance are the ones that score TDs on a regular basis I have never seen a rookie score his first career TD then bust into a choreographed routine. Nor do you see the guys that rarely touch the ball go out there and put on a show.. So by you're logic those guys should be putting on the most elaborate displays.

Sure Chad Johnson may have lightened the mood. But whenever I heard about the Bengals it was always about what endzone celebration will CJ do this week? It took like 4 weeks before people realized that Carson Palmer was having an outstanding year and actually gave him some credit and discussed the fact the Bengals were winning Games. I love Chad Johnson, and admire his enthusiasm and desire to entertain people and share how he feels, but you have to have limits or else you will have a TO on the star saga again. No player needs to get ejected because of a celebration, and thats where they were headed. Good move to put a lid on this.