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utahmark
03-27-2006, 10:02 AM
after all these free agents im just wondering what we still need in the draft. here is my list of needs in order of importance. 1)rt tackle/gaurd 2)free safty 3)#2 wr (if we dont get moulds) 4) cb

other positions that could be upgraded are lb, de.

if we could get prospects at those 4 postions. we could have a chance to play well this year and also a chance to evaluate everyone and see what else we might need for next year. maybe this could be a two year turnaround.

el toro
03-27-2006, 10:18 AM
The free agent moves simplify draft day. That isn't to say if they feel they've found a sleeper C, DE or whatever that they pass. But they can go into this draft looking a few positions (mentioned above) and take some good shots at addressing those in the 2nd and 3rd rounds with their 3 picks (which are at the top of those rounds).

AtheGreat
03-27-2006, 10:28 AM
with most of our line taken care of and the #2 receiver pos. getting worked on, i say we should look in the defensive backfield for some draftees. Youbouty (who i went to school with!), KO, Slay, Bing, all these guys would be decent guys who could make a good passing game difficult and we could possibly pick up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I like the idea of Slay in the later rounds. We could use someone besides DRob who isn't scared of laying into someone, make recievers think twice before running an inside route. But, with the way Kubiak has handled things, I'm good with whatever he thinks we need.

beerlover
03-27-2006, 10:33 AM
its looking more like OT or CB with that 2nd rd. pick who ever grades out highest on the Texans board :twocents:

TheOgre
03-27-2006, 10:37 AM
Lets assume we add a veteran WR (that can be our #2 for this seasoN) before the draft. The only other FA needs that I could see us addressing between now and the draft would be FS and/or CB (whether it is a DB, NB, or someone to be our #2 CB). If you look at our FA pick-ups, though, some of them are merely stopgap measures. We appear to be filling our immediate needs so we can draft BPA. Positions that could still use a prospect are:
MLB
DE
WR
CB
S (Free moreso than strong)
OT

I think we all assume we are taking Bush with our 1st. I see us using our remaining first day picks on 3 of the above positions. The only positions not listed above that could get consideration IMO are interior linemen.

Kaiser Toro
03-27-2006, 10:38 AM
We need a defense. People on this board like to trumpet that our problems were mostly on D last year as the offense just was given the wrong playbook. Moreover, we had the second to worst defense and the fourth to worst offense. Yet we hired an offensive minded HC and brought in a former HC to coach the line. We extended our QB and have added a TE and C that will most likely start.

TheOgre
03-27-2006, 10:53 AM
We do need defense, but it appears this draft is shaping up to be an offensive one for us. I think the focus will be on defense next year.

el toro
03-27-2006, 10:54 AM
They can certainly focus on defense in rounds 2 and 3 and as mentioned above, this will not be their only opportunity to address the defense as they are turning around this franchise.

Kaiser Toro
03-27-2006, 11:00 AM
We do need defense, but it appears this draft is shaping up to be an offensive one for us. I think the focus will be on defense next year.

If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion. If we draft Bush there will be a ~20 million delta between our offense and defense spend through 2008.

Maddict5
03-27-2006, 02:37 PM
my perfect draft for filling needs would be(with moulds)-
#33: any of winston, cromartie, ko, bullocks
#65,66: 2 of davin joseph, daryn colledge, griffin, manning, any cb/fs faller

SESupergenius
03-27-2006, 04:38 PM
We still stongly need a CB, or even a couple of CB's. I'm not sold on the Safety spots either.

DRAMA
03-27-2006, 04:47 PM
We need a defense.

What do you think of D'Qwell or Thomas Howard?
To quote Curly Bill in Tombstone, "I heard he's reeeal fast!" Can't have enough speed....

Lucky
03-27-2006, 04:59 PM
If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion.
Why is that? The Texans aren't right at the cap limit for '07, even taking into account Walker's $5.5 million cap hit. I doubt that Wiegert will be drawing his $4.5 million salary in '07. I just don't see the doom and gloom over the cap just because Bush is drafted.

Grid
03-27-2006, 05:14 PM
#1 on my list is FS. We need another playmaker in the backfield, in our division. FS is our biggest hole at this point. We can get by with CC Brown and Earl.. but both of them are more SS than FS.

#2 MLB. Cowart was a great signing for us.. and I think Polk may possible shape up into a good MLB for us.. but I still think we need to draft someone. Cowart may not even make it through the season with his recent rash of injuries, and even if he does..we MAY get 2 seasons out of him before we will SERIOUSLY need a replacement. Get someone now and start grooming.

#3 OT. We need an RT. I think we can get by with Wand/Wade..but I also think we will need an upgrade eventually. Colledge in the 3rd.

#4. CB. Buchanan and Faggins I think will be alright for next season, if we have to use them. But in our division we really need a strong defensive backfield, so id like to get a legit #2 CB prospect. Marshall is my pick.

#5. DE. This can be a 2nd day pick.. but we need to get a more traditional 4-3 DE that can AT LEAST provide depth and some run stuffing. We have a shortage of true 4-3 DEs.

Mightymike
03-27-2006, 09:07 PM
#1. bush
#2. RT (Winston, Mcneill, or Scott)
#3. FS (Simpson, Whitner, Watkins, Allen)
#4. late round cb
#5. late round mlb (leon williams, schlegel, parham)

MorKnolle
03-27-2006, 10:16 PM
Why is that? The Texans aren't right at the cap limit for '07, even taking into account Walker's $5.5 million cap hit. I doubt that Wiegert will be drawing his $4.5 million salary in '07. I just don't see the doom and gloom over the cap just because Bush is drafted.

Walker's cap hit goes on the books this season and Wiegert's contract is up at the end of this season, so both of those salaries are off the books in 2007, hopefully Todd Wade will be released after June 1, so half of his hit would go against 2006 cap and half against 2007, but we'll have to wait to see on that one.

horn_omatic
03-27-2006, 10:26 PM
I'm with beer lover, OT or CB whichever grades out higher. It would be nice to get OT Eric Winston with the 2nd pick and CB DeMario Minter with a third. I would also no be to upset if we got CB Jonathan Joseph with the 2nd and OT Daryn Colledge with a third.:drool:

MorKnolle
03-27-2006, 10:44 PM
I'm with beer lover, OT or CB whichever grades out higher. It would be nice to get OT Eric Winston with the 2nd pick and CB DeMario Minter with a third. I would also no be to upset if we got CB Jonathan Joseph with the 2nd and OT Daryn Colledge with a third.:drool:

You're right on here. Winston in the 2nd/CB in the 3rd or Joseph in the 2nd/Colledge in the 3rd would both be great, although Minter probably wouldn't be my top choice as a CB at #65, but that largely depends on who else is available.

Caesar
03-27-2006, 10:45 PM
Apparently, a situational running back is our top need.

Texans_Chick
03-28-2006, 12:58 AM
If we draft Bush, there will be no room for a big defensive FA acquistion until 2008 after Walker's dead money comes off the books in my opinion. If we draft Bush there will be a ~20 million delta between our offense and defense spend through 2008.

Interesting post.

FWIW, here are a couple articles folks might find interesting on spending on offensive v. defense:

USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-05-24-salary-offense_x.htm)

Of the 10 teams with the highest percentage of cap dollars dedicated to defense, only three the Seattle Seahawks, Philadelphia Eagles and Patriots made the playoffs. Of the 48 teams qualifying for the playoffs in the last four years, 32 spent more on offense than defense.

There is stuff in that article that can make you think about these issues in a lot of different ways.

Here's an article on the analysis of the offense/defense spending of last year's Super Bowl teams:

Steelers v. Seahawk spending. (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:yPAMy51eSVMJ:www.caller.com/ccct/sports/article/0,1641,CCCT_802_4443079,00.html+nfl+percentage+spe nt+on+offense+defense&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9)


I am not posting these articles to make a point about this stuff, but rather as more an illustration of the sorts of things teams are doing.

The Dude Abides
03-28-2006, 01:03 AM
Interesting post.

FWIW, here are a couple articles folks might find interesting on spending on offensive v. defense:

USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-05-24-salary-offense_x.htm)



There is stuff in that article that can make you think about these issues in a lot of different ways.

Here's an article on the analysis of the offense/defense spending of last year's Super Bowl teams:

Steelers v. Seahawk spending. (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:yPAMy51eSVMJ:www.caller.com/ccct/sports/article/0,1641,CCCT_802_4443079,00.html+nfl+percentage+spe nt+on+offense+defense&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9)


I am not posting these articles to make a point about this stuff, but rather as more an illustration of the sorts of things teams are doing.

Nice Find.

thetexanator
03-28-2006, 01:08 AM
We need DFENCE!!
1)Mario Williams
2)Carpenter/Hill/Simpson
3)John Scott
3)BPA

texplayer2
03-28-2006, 01:20 AM
Apparently, a situational running back is our top need.

He is not a situational running back. He is a running back that creates situations for defenses. Adding threats is a top NEED.

humbleone
03-28-2006, 11:44 AM
its looking more like OT or CB with that 2nd rd. pick who ever grades out highest on the Texans board :twocents:

I agree but would add OG to your list (Joseph perhaps).

Maddict5
03-28-2006, 12:14 PM
^ id hope he falls to #65- unlikely with atlanta,seattle,denver etc at the bottom of the 2nd but you never know

humbleone
03-28-2006, 12:36 PM
^ id hope he falls to #65- unlikely with atlanta,seattle,denver etc at the bottom of the 2nd but you never know

I would be shocked if this kid falls outside the 2nd...so far he looks "Hutchinson like" who just got the Vikings to give him $49M. Just a rock solid "what you see is what you get football player" who reportedly is a hard worker and very solid character off the field.

But I agree that at #65 it is a no brainer. Who do you like at #33 btw?

MorKnolle
03-28-2006, 07:09 PM
Interesting post.

FWIW, here are a couple articles folks might find interesting on spending on offensive v. defense:

USA Today article (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2004-05-24-salary-offense_x.htm)



There is stuff in that article that can make you think about these issues in a lot of different ways.

Here's an article on the analysis of the offense/defense spending of last year's Super Bowl teams:

Steelers v. Seahawk spending. (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:yPAMy51eSVMJ:www.caller.com/ccct/sports/article/0,1641,CCCT_802_4443079,00.html+nfl+percentage+spe nt+on+offense+defense&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9)


I am not posting these articles to make a point about this stuff, but rather as more an illustration of the sorts of things teams are doing.

Interesting article (it is 2 years old), although I think offensive positions are generally paid more than defensive positions and most teams generally employ a few more offensive players than defensive players, so that might skew the numbers a little.