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flappst
03-24-2006, 11:38 PM
As of right now this is how I see us starting out in training camp. I know we will possible sign a couple more free agents and we still have the draft, but as of right now this is how I see it. The players in brackets are at the positions that I see us upgrading. Make corrections if there is something that I messed up on, and I was just wondering what you all thought.

...........................[Brown]
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............[Buchanon]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........Pitts..McKinney.Flanagan.[Weigart].[Wade]..Putzier
.............................................Carr. ..........................................[Walter]
.............................................Cook
.............................................Davis

Samer
03-24-2006, 11:42 PM
Not bad at all, much better than last year...my ideal situation for this year, and I dont see why it cant be a possibility would be to trade the #1 pick to Green Bay for #5, and drafting AJ Hawk, and Donald Driver and a couple more picks

...........................[Brown]
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Hawk...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............[Buchanon]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........Pitts..McKinney.Flanagan.[Weigart].[Wade]..Putzier
.............................................Carr. .................................................. ........................................[Driver]
.............................................Cook
.............................................Davis

mexican_texan
03-24-2006, 11:43 PM
As of right now this is how I see us starting out in training camp. I know we will possible sign a couple more free agents and we still have the draft, but as of right now this is how I see it. The players in brackets are at the positions that I see us upgrading. Make corrections if there is something that I messed up on, and I was just wondering what you all thought.

...........................[Brown]
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............[Buchanon]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........Pitts..McKinney.Flanagan.[Weigart].[Wade]..Putzier
.............................................Carr. ..........................................[Walter]
.............................................Cook
.............................................Davis
As of now, Moran Norris is still the FB. The rest looks okay.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 11:50 PM
...........................[Brown]
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Orr
Robinson.............Peek.......TJ.......Smith.... ..Weaver............[Buchanon]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson........Pitts.McKinney.Flanagan.[Weary].[Weigart]..Putzier
.............................................Carr. .........................................[Walter]
.............................................Cook
.............................................Davis

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-24-2006, 11:55 PM
This offseason is making strides even more than any fan would have expected. I do not see them looking at another WR in FA. They will probably draft one, but it is going to be later rounds if they do, They are going to focus on building the offensive line and defensive backs, maybe a DE and another Linebacker with their picks.

Walter is going to compete for the #2 WR position and as hard as he works and the talent he has he will be the #2 here. He was a better WR than Kelly washington and I believe he is just as good as TJ in Cinci. He was caught up in a numbers game. Kevin is finally going to get his opportunity to be a #2 WR on a growing team that looks like it will be a contender if it drafts as well as they have done in FA this offseason.

I can understand your frustrations as a losing team and want the "big name" WR because you have heard he was good on another team, but give the guy a chance. you'll see. Heck, if everybody treated Tom Brady this way, NE may not have been to the Superbowl 4 out of 5 years.

This guy has flown under the radar for too long.

mexican_texan
03-24-2006, 11:57 PM
I can understand your frustrations as a losing team and want the "big name" WR because you have heard he was good on another team, but give the guy a chance. you'll see. Heck, if everybody treated Tom Brady this way, NE may not have been to the Superbowl 4 out of 5 years.


three of four

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-25-2006, 12:03 AM
three of four

out of all that you pick the 4 of 5 to 3 of 4???

dat_boy_yec
03-25-2006, 12:12 AM
I think Wand will be our starting RT he is much better suited for this scheme than Wade and I think he will surprise everybody he is still young and with Wade as backup I don't really see the reason to draft a tackle early in the draft. Weigart on the other hand is in a contract yr. so I could see us easily taking a guard in the third or fourth rd. to groom and step in for him next yr. This will open up some cap space next yr. and upgrade the position. Next yr. I see us drafting a tackle.

samomin
03-25-2006, 12:26 AM
I could see us easily taking a guard in the third or fourth rd. to groom and step in for him next yr. This will open up some cap space next yr. and upgrade the position. Next yr. I see us drafting a tackle.

Haven't we groomed Fred Weary or Seth Wand? Wouldn't these guys be better for us to groom since they have experience? What I mean to say is how long are we going to keep drafting guys to groom to be eventual starters. I was hoping to see some starters emerge (ones that didn't start last year) this season. At the very least I hope to see some backups compete for the starting job in training camp.

dat_boy_yec
03-25-2006, 12:33 AM
Haven't we groomed Fred Weary or Seth Wand? Wouldn't these guys be better for us to groom since they have experience? What I mean to say is how long are we going to keep drafting guys to groom to be eventual starters. I was hoping to see some starters emerge (ones that didn't start last year) this season. At the very least I hope to see some backups compete for the starting job in training camp.

Yeah I think Weary is good but after Weigart leaves than McKinney is also getting old and you need a third guard to be a backup. Even though we have a decent core group it is always good to have depth.

F-minus67
03-25-2006, 12:45 AM
Our only real need now is a FS. Brown is good, but he is a SS. On offense a real number 2 reciever would be nice also.

HJam72
03-25-2006, 02:00 AM
I think Wand will be our starting RT he is much better suited for this scheme than Wade...

I think you're right about that, but I'd sure like to see D'Brick in a Texans uniform and have Pitts go back to RT by next year, if not sooner.

Also, everyone keeps putting Peek at weakside DE and I really think Babin is going to beat him out.

Texas
03-25-2006, 02:16 AM
Why would we take AJ hawk when we just signed ANOTHER linebacker and already have depth there. I see us looking more now to improve the offense.

thegr8fan
03-25-2006, 09:14 AM
have Pitts go back to RT by next year, if not sooner.Pitts has never played RT. He will ultimately end up at OLG when we get our Pace/Boselli type LT drafted. Till then he is the best LT we have, has played almost every down in the Texans history, and is doing a fairly good job.

with Pitts and McKinney on the left side I am more worried about the right this season than anything else. Hodgden did a decent job and we just signed Flanagan so that should give us both depth and experience at Center.

The right side of the line though is still anyone's guess at who will be the starters.

YoungTexanFan
03-25-2006, 09:19 AM
I think you're right about that, but I'd sure like to see D'Brick in a Texans uniform and have Pitts go back to RT by next year, if not sooner.

Also, everyone keeps putting Peek at weakside DE and I really think Babin is going to beat him out.

Thats how I think it should shake down. It won't, but it should. I garentuee that D'brick would win the LT spot from Pitts within this first week of TC. Also, you seem to be one of only a few people, including me, who think babin will be our weakside DE instead of Peek. Bonus points for you!

p.s. Pitts has never played RT, thus he will not be moving back.

Runner
03-25-2006, 10:04 AM
This is the Texans o-line roster from the home page:

Center
McKinney, Steve
Washington, Todd
Hodgdon, Drew
Walter, Tyson
Flanagan **added**

Guard
Weary, Fred

Guard/Tackle
Pitts, Chester
Wiegert, Zach

Tackle
Jones, Garrick
Wade, Todd
Wand, Seth

I have labeled the players by positions that are listed on the roster. I thought both McKinney and Washington were guard/centers, but for this discussion that really doesn’t matter.

We currently have 11 o-lineman on the roster. Training camp will thin that down some. If we assume Washington, Walter, and Jones get cut before the final roster is set, that leaves us with 8 lineman.

If we sign one free agent and draft one, that leaves 10 lineman on our roster. We normally dress about 8 on game days.

I don’t know all the rules for using the practice squad to protect players, but if we add 2 more lineman through whatever means we are going to have to make some deeper cuts.


I'm resurrecting this post from another thread, and I've changed some numbers throughout the post since we've picked up Flanagan.

This could be done for all of our positions. The question is: who gets cut to make up for the FA and draft acquisitions? We are going to be seeing some more familiar names leaving.

bdiddy
03-25-2006, 10:21 AM
Haven't we groomed Fred Weary or Seth Wand? Wouldn't these guys be better for us to groom since they have experience? What I mean to say is how long are we going to keep drafting guys to groom to be eventual starters. I was hoping to see some starters emerge (ones that didn't start last year) this season. At the very least I hope to see some backups compete for the starting job in training camp.

I believe that either Wand or Weary will be a starter next year along the line. It depends on a number of things (1) which one of the two preforms better in training camp, (2) which positions is Weigart better at guard or tackle, and (3) the coaches believe in the continued growth of the line with any one given player.

If Wand comes in and has a great training camp this means that the team would move Weigart back to RG and have Wand start at RT with Wade as the backup. Otherwise, Wand will be the backup LT (as of now, might change after the draft).

If Weary comes in and continues to improve as he did late last season it could keep Weigart at RT and Wand as a backup.

Both Weary and Wand move well for their size. I would say that Weary has better technique than Wand, but Wand has more overall potential. It will be a good competitive training camp. I like it.

With the free agent signings I think we draft only one OL this year (probably follow the same pattern for next several years). The staff will groom Weary, Wand, and Hodgdon. I would look for us to add a guard in the draft seeing that we have Wand and Wade at the back up tackle positions as we currently stand. I think the team will look to draft RT next year as Weigart is getting older and Wade is likely to be cut.

wags
03-25-2006, 10:25 AM
Walter, Tyson

Walter is already gone.

keyfro
03-25-2006, 02:19 PM
so is gerrick jones he signed with the atlanta falcons back in feb.

as far as the offensive line is concerned...why continue to draft guys to groom because personally i believe if we keep having drafts where the a certain position in the draft is deep at say tackle this year you should make sure you draft one of the tackles...IMO every ball club should be drafting atleast one o-lineman a year if not more...this year i would not be surprised to see the texans draft up to three offensive lineman...two tackles and a guard...with every sign pointing towards jonathan scott in round two i would expect us to use two second day picks 5th round and 6th round on guys like michael toudouze from tcu and chris kuper from north dakota state...then we will probably loot the UDFA's this year for guys like will allen from UT and some other o-lineman who dropped off of radar due to their lack of size

Runner
03-25-2006, 02:27 PM
...this year i would not be surprised to see the texans draft up to three offensive lineman...two tackles and a guard...

This is the point of my question. If Pitts, McKinney, Flanagan, and Weary will be on the team for sure (I include Weary because we just signed him) AND we draft 3 rookies as you say, that is seven players. Say we have 8 on the active roster and one on the practice squad. That's 9. So out of Weigert, Wade, Wand, Hodgdon you have to cut two.

I don't think we'll be drafting 3 linemen.

bdiddy
03-25-2006, 02:50 PM
Scott is slipping big time, there is no way we use the first pick in the second round on him. We could easily get him with our second pick in the third round and possibly even the fourth round.

Cheroqui
03-25-2006, 03:03 PM
Anyone notice that the overview of the D2O looks like the state of Texas? :spy:

LOL

dat_boy_yec
03-25-2006, 06:03 PM
]']He will anchor the MLB for years and he is a LEADER.

How do you know that? He played next to Brooks and Carpenter both solid LB's Brooks is the one who handled MLB, so how can you be sure Hawk will make a good transition to MLB. Considering Brooks would have been right up there with Hawk if he had come out then who would have been the leader of that core?

ccdude730
03-25-2006, 07:59 PM
wand, wade, pitts should all be canidates for the RT spot. IMO we could have more flexibility with drafting d'brick and having him man LT.

LT-brick/pitts > wand
LG-mckinney (not to thrilled about that) > rookie/pitts
C-flanagan > hogdgon
RG-weigert > weary
RT-pitts > wand > wade

we still need a FS IMO. cc brown was a liability in coverage last season while playing both positions and i dont see him jumping earl on the depth charts. i really wish we hadnt let go of mcree! another need is WR. some may not agree with me but i think the addition of jeb will help a little but what this offense really needs is a legit #2 opposite AJ. i am excited to see what walters can bring, but the expectations of him being a #2 might be stretching things. i also expect a corner to be drafted to challenge faggins as well as buchanon. but those are the positions i am most concerned with. i think at the other positions we have everyone already on the roster but we just have to go through evaluations (such as for the LB and DE position)

Cheroqui
03-26-2006, 01:20 PM
Make corrections if there is something that I messed up on, and I was just wondering what you all thought.

...........................[Brown]
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............[Buchanon]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........Pitts..McKinney.Flanagan.[Weigart].[Wade]..Putzier
.............................................Carr. ..........................................[Walter]
.............................................Cook
.............................................Davis

Flappst... Where would you like to place Shantee Orr? :) Also, and I'm asking your opinion, where would Travis Johnson sub in and out?
Thanks

TexansNeedRBin05
03-26-2006, 01:51 PM
I thought Travis Johnson would start over Payne? As far as the Oline Pitts has ALWAYS played LG what makes us think he can be a Tackle?

tulexan
03-26-2006, 01:52 PM
Pitts played tackle this year and held his own.

TexansNeedRBin05
03-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Pitts played tackle this year and held his own.


hmmm I didn't realize that, so is Victory Riley just out? Maybe he could play guard or RT or something.

tulexan
03-26-2006, 01:56 PM
Victor Riley was cut in the middle of the season

newbiefan
03-26-2006, 02:32 PM
hahahaha, there goes all of texansneedRBin05's credibility

thegr8fan
03-26-2006, 04:25 PM
actually RBin05, Pitts has ALWAYS played LT, except for a few games at LG this year. That was the Riley experiment games with Pitts at LG. Pitts has done really well at LT, especially with his lack of a football foundation, starting to play in College only.

I do see him becoming our LG of the future though, should D'brick or perhaps next years OLT get drafted to step in and allow Pitts to move.

JohnGalt
03-26-2006, 05:37 PM
actually RBin05, Pitts has ALWAYS played LT, except for a few games at LG this year. That was the Riley experiment games with Pitts at LG. Pitts has done really well at LT, especially with his lack of a football foundation, starting to play in College only.


Nope, Pitts played LT until two years ago. In 2004, Wand beat out Pitts at LT and Pitts went to his natural position at LG. Pendry gave up on Wand in 2005 and tried the Riley experient. Halfway through the season, he kept Wand on the bench moved Pitts over to LT.

run-david-run
03-26-2006, 05:40 PM
]']He will anchor the MLB for years and he is a LEADER.
AJ Hawk is not a MLB. He in a strong side outside linebacker, stop confusing the two. Also, stop with the whole leadership thing. Drob emerged as a leader because he is a great player who demands others give their best. Leaders are NOT born, they emerge. You have to earn the right to lead.

thegr8fan
03-26-2006, 08:35 PM
Nope, Pitts played LT until two years ago. In 2004, Wand beat out Pitts at LT and Pitts went to his natural position at LG. Pendry gave up on Wand in 2005 and tried the Riley experient. Halfway through the season, he kept Wand on the bench moved Pitts over to LT.

upon further review, I stand corrected. I totally agree with Pitts natural position being LG. I can't wait till we get our premier LT and move him there so he can learn the position. Our left O-line will be as solid as any in the NFL, IMHO, after that.

Grid
03-26-2006, 08:40 PM
I dunno..I didnt see it when Pitts was at LG. Maybe it was because of mistakes by other linemen, but he didnt look all that great there to me.

If he isnt playing LT, id prefer to see him at RT.

thegr8fan
03-26-2006, 08:59 PM
by natural I meant his physical size/ quickness, not necessarily how well he played LG last season. He didn't do a very good job at LG though, overall. But you have to remember he didn't even start playing football till college. So I think with some experience/ playing time he could BECOME a premier LG.

but your right Grid, he didn't seem very natural at it when he was there last season.

Wolf
03-26-2006, 09:37 PM
Flappst... Where would you like to place Shantee Orr? :) Also, and I'm asking your opinion, where would Travis Johnson sub in and out?
Thanks


that and jason babin

on a side note

if ahmad brooks were to come out in the supplement draft (haven't heard anything else on his status).. looking at the depth chart , I am thinking we wouldn't go after him

mexican_texan
03-26-2006, 09:44 PM
out of all that you pick the 4 of 5 to 3 of 4???
ehh. hehehehe. I don't like how overrated Tom Brady is. I don't like talking about him.

mexican_texan
03-26-2006, 09:57 PM
I think Wand will be our starting RT he is much better suited for this scheme than Wade and I think he will surprise everybody he is still young and with Wade as backup I don't really see the reason to draft a tackle early in the draft. Weigart on the other hand is in a contract yr. so I could see us easily taking a guard in the third or fourth rd. to groom and step in for him next yr. This will open up some cap space next yr. and upgrade the position. Next yr. I see us drafting a tackle.
Someone back me up on this. I remember posting and reading how Wand whiffed on blocks in the gameday threads. That is why Riley was fired so late.

Wolf
03-26-2006, 09:59 PM
Someone back me up on this. I remember posting and reading how Wand whiffed on blocks in the gameday threads. That is why Riley was fired so late.


not sure.. I can't remember wand even being in any games last season.

:confused:

HeartofHouston
03-26-2006, 10:00 PM
1 - HB Reggie Bush
2 - OT Marcus McNeil
3 - CB Johnathan Joseph
3 - OG Jason Spitz
(trade Morency)
3 - DE Daryl Tapp
4 - S Pat Watkins
5 - OG Cody Douglas
6 - OT Jeromey Clary

...........................Watkins
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............Joseph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........McNeil..McKinney.Flanagan.Spitz. Wade..Putzier
.............................................Carr. ..........................................Mathis
.............................................Cook
.............................................Bush

Wolf
03-26-2006, 10:02 PM
1 - HB Reggie Bush
2 - OT Marcus McNeil
3 - CB Johnathan Joseph
3 - OG Jason Spitz
(trade Morency)
3 - DE Daryl Tapp
4 - S Pat Watkins
5 - OG Cody Douglas
6 - OT Jeromey Clary

...........................Watkins
.................................................. ................Earl
...........................Greenwood...Cowart..... ..Wong
Robinson.............Peek.......Smith.......Payne. ......Weaver............Joseph
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Johnson...........McNeil..McKinney.Flanagan.Spitz. Wade..Putzier
.............................................Carr. ..........................................Mathis
.............................................Cook
.............................................Bush

you'd think Pitts would be out of the lineup?

mexican_texan
03-26-2006, 10:06 PM
not sure.. I can't remember wand even being in any games last season.

:confused:
He was benched immediately. I believe it was against the Chiefs, but there are too many painful memories for me to keep checking.

Also, I usually see D-Rob on the right side. My right, his left.

flappst
03-26-2006, 10:24 PM
Flappst... Where would you like to place Shantee Orr? :) Also, and I'm asking your opinion, where would Travis Johnson sub in and out?
Thanks

I would use Orr as the first OLB to come off the bench mainly for Wong, and on pass rushing situations. T. Johnson would sub in at DT, mainly in the place of Payne. Babin would swap out with Peek, But I just think Peek will beat him out as the starter.

JohnGalt
03-27-2006, 07:12 AM
He was benched immediately. I believe it was against the Chiefs, but there are too many painful memories for me to keep checking.

I don't think he really played at all. I remeber that they tried him at RG in the preseason... against the Raiders. I don't think he had a shot to even learn the position before Pendry put him up against Sapp. Way to think that one through.

I remember one game last year where he was an emergency sub in at LT. There's a quote from Carr stating that he was comfortable during the game with Wand covering his backside.

Basically I don't think he had chance in 2005 to show if he could play better than in 2004.