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YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:26 PM
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?

Why is everyone so sure the Texans are taking Reggie Bush, when no other team seems to really care?

Why is it that the Texans have to have this kid, when they have the best RB situation out of all the top 7 teams in the draft, but we have to have him. He is going to take us to the promised land and no other team want a piece of that.

Anybody care to explain that?

thunderkyss
03-24-2006, 09:29 PM
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?


It's not just these boards.......

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 09:34 PM
It's not just these boards.......

you guys (kind of) ever thought that the asking price for said number one pick might not be what other teams want to pony up? my bad, everybody would want to trade up to get VY. that's it, i can't believe it got past me.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:35 PM
You mean that the asking price is too high for the next saviour of football?

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 09:38 PM
don't act like you don't feel the same way about VY.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 09:39 PM
There isn't often a trade up to number 1 as the price is so high...as the consensus # 1 overall pick...teams dont want to pony up basically their entire draft for 1 player...

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:42 PM
Wouldn't teams with a worse RB situation than us, will all the problems we have on OL and the fact that we are converting to a 4-3, need Reggie even worse than we do?

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 09:43 PM
There isn't often a trade up to number 1 as the price is so high...as the consensus # 1 overall pick...teams dont want to pony up basically their entire draft for 1 player...


nice. somebody with a brain.

Nighthawk
03-24-2006, 09:49 PM
nice. somebody with a brain.

Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:52 PM
nice. somebody with a brain.


You mean to tell me that Oakland or anyone else for that matter, wouldn't trade almost every pick in this draft and/or future draft picks for Gale Sayers or Barry Sanders? Either one of those players would be worth more than anyone in this draft, including VY. And would definitely be worth more than say Jay Cutler and Mathias Kiwanuka, which is what some mocks are saying for the Jets now.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 09:53 PM
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?


What he said.

UberDork
03-24-2006, 09:58 PM
There is also always the possibility that several teams do really want R. Bush, but they are afraid that if they let it be known, the price could go sky high...if they stay quiet, the price might be lower....

Just look at a lot of Ebay auctions, if you will...they stay low until the very end because people are afraid that if it gets high early they will have to pay more.

Eyeguy
03-24-2006, 10:00 PM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk]Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:02 PM
There is also always the possibility that several teams do really want R. Bush, but they are afraid that if they let it be known, the price could go sky high...if they stay quiet, the price might be lower....

Just look at a lot of Ebay auctions, if you will...they stay low until the very end because people are afraid that if it gets high early they will have to pay more.

So what you are saying is that there will be several teams wanting to trade up to the 1st spot to take Reggie.

Maybe even a bidding war? Is that what you are saying?

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:02 PM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk]Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.


Only if he fell though, he said if they had the 1st pick?

UberDork
03-24-2006, 10:04 PM
So what you are saying is that there will be several teams wanting to trade up to the 1st spot to take Reggie.

Maybe even a bidding war? Is that what you are saying?

Isn't it obvious...I am obviously saying that there will be a huge bidding war and we will clean house....:homer:

In reallity, I was just throwing out a possibility.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:09 PM
I just want to know why there hasn't been any talk of anybody else wanting Reggie Bush, even by the Media?
The trade talk is about Matt Leinart, is he possibly the best player in this draft, and we are taking the 2nd best player with the #1 pick?

HJam72
03-24-2006, 10:12 PM
Matt Leinhart is the most sure fire star in the draft. Bush has the most potential, but is also somewhat of a question mark. How much of a question mark is a matter of opinion.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:17 PM
Matt Leinhart is the most sure fire star in the draft. Bush has the most potential, but is also somewhat of a question mark. How much of a question mark is a matter of opinion.

First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?

tulexan
03-24-2006, 10:23 PM
Well a team that needs a quarterback is going to take a quarterback. Especially when there is one available that is as good as Matt Leinart. I would separate QBs from other positions for that reason.

So I would say that every team that doesn't need a QB would take Reggie #1. Every team, no matter if they need a QB or not would take Reggie #2 (if Leinart was taken #1).

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:26 PM
Well a team that needs a quarterback is going to take a quarterback. Especially when there is one available that is as good as Matt Leinart. I would separate QBs from other positions for that reason.

So I would say that every team that doesn't need a QB would take Reggie #1. Every team, no matter if they need a QB or not would take Reggie #2 (if Leinart was taken #1).

Then why wouldn't they be willing to pay a price for him?

OzzO
03-24-2006, 10:28 PM
First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?

Vince may have most potential, but he has high risk too (or so I've heard) and with early picks - you look for low risk and high reward, or a close proximity to that.

Also, with early picks - you get a playmaker and immediate impact player. Bush is that type on offense, as general consensus across mocks and the nation. Defense, I haven't heard really one stand out - well, Mario is taking a late lead it seems.

The 2nd best? Guess who it is you're thinking is #1 that makes Bush #2. If it's VY - it seems he's the 2nd QB in the draft after Leinhart... possibly the 3rd. The thing with trading down - you've gotta have a buyer to trade up, and no one is showing their cards yet and like you mentioned, has to be a heck of a deal that the Texans move down and be sure to pick up one of their top propects if not the top one.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:34 PM
Vince may have most potential, but he has high risk too (or so I've heard) and with early picks - you look for low risk and high reward, or a close proximity to that.

Also, with early picks - you get a playmaker and immediate impact player. Bush is that type on offense, as general consensus across mocks and the nation. Defense, I haven't heard really one stand out - well, Mario is taking a late lead it seems.

The 2nd best? Guess who it is you're thinking is #1 that makes Bush #2. If it's VY - it seems he's the 2nd QB in the draft after Leinhart... possibly the 3rd. The thing with trading down - you've gotta have a buyer to trade up, and no one is showing their cards yet and like you mentioned, has to be a heck of a deal that the Texans move down and be sure to pick up one of their top propects if not the top one.


Actually if you would read back a few, you would notice when I said 2nd best I was talking about Matt as being the best and Bush possibly being the 2nd best.

Plus I am not trying say that taking VY with the 1st pick is what we should do, okay. I am asking why no other teams is even being suspected at wanting Bush, considering his caliber of player, that we can't pass on him.

tulexan
03-24-2006, 10:35 PM
Then why wouldn't they be willing to pay a price for him?


This is what I posted last week at an attempt to explain the difference between picking #1 and trading up for #1:


(Assuming you could afford it) Let's say you had the chance to get a brand new 2007 Ferrari F360 for the normal price. It is your favorite car and you have been wanting one for a while. Now there is another guy who is willing to sell the exact same car for the exact same price but you also have to give him your brand new computer, your 42" lcd hdtv, the next car that you are planning on buying, plus the PS3 when it comes out. Would you still take that? Of course not.

There is a huge difference between picking a guy and giving up 4 or 5 potential players to get 1 guy. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to understand.

HJam72
03-24-2006, 10:37 PM
I think VY may have to have a team built around him over time to be successfull in the NFL, but then he will be really successfull after that. This requirement puts Leinhart ahead of him at QB and leaves Bush as the highest potential for a team that wants a player to just come in and play with it's current staff/regime. I have no doubt that Leinhart is the one that I look at and feel the least stress or worry about his future. He will succeed in the NFL, no doubt about it--but either Young or Bush could be better (or much much worse).

Leinhart is the ice man, ie ice cold, no way picking him could be a mistake....unless you just gave your current QB a huge contract. :idonno:

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:37 PM
This is what I posted last week at an attempt to explain the difference between picking #1 and trading up for #1:




There is a huge difference between picking a guy and giving up 4 or 5 potential players to get 1 guy. I don't know why this is such a hard concept to understand.


So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?

OzzO
03-24-2006, 10:41 PM
Actually if you would read back a few, you would notice when I said 2nd best I was talking about Matt as being the best and Bush possibly being the 2nd best.

Plus I am not trying say that taking VY with the 1st pick is what we should do, okay. I am asking why no other teams is even being suspected at wanting Bush, considering his caliber of player, that we can't pass on him.

Ah, apolgies - misread the post. Probably there's no sniff from other teams as just getting through a round of FA, teams seeing how it looks after some of the dust settles and still about a month to go before the draft. Don't wanna show the cards yet - still in "smoke and mirror" phase it seems.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 10:44 PM
First off VY has the most potential, considering he is a QB.

Second, most everybody on this site seems to believe we are taking Bush no matter what, unless there is a trade that is just mind blowing.

Finally, is that smart to take the 2nd best player with #1 pick, or would that be more conducive to want to trade down?

To trade down you need somebody who wants to trade up...then you have to see where they are slated and if you can still get one of "your players" at that slot...then you see if anyone can offer you a better deal...and then you trade...more often than not, during 1 of those stages...the trade falls through...More often than not a QB gets taken # 1 overall as they are usually the "Franchise Player"...Leinart may be the most sought after player in the draft by teams wanting a QB...but with the #1 overall pick and nobody trading up...you take the best prospect, which by most accounts is Reggie Bush

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:44 PM
There would still be at least Media talk though right?

tulexan
03-24-2006, 10:46 PM
So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?


Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:49 PM
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 10:51 PM
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?


Its both..because its an opinion...same way some people think Vince Young has the most potential in the draft....peoples answers are different

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:51 PM
[QUOTE=tulexan]Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.[/

So we wouldn't trade with anyone after the 4 spot, even for 4 or 5 picks, with a couple 1st rounders involved?

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 10:52 PM
I personally dont think any player is worth trading your draft away for...then again we wouldnt have to trade any picks to get the player we want...

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 10:54 PM
[QUOTE=tulexan]Casserly has said that teams have expressed interest in the #1 pick. First of all, it is still early. Teams are still evaluating players from reveiwing combine notes, going to pro days, watching game tape, and private workouts. Second of all, just because it's not reported doesn't mean that teams aren't interested. And finally, if the Texans have set the bar at what they want and other teams know about it, they might not be interested because they too have holes they have to deal with. I believe I've read that the Texans are only willing to go as low as 4 because they want to be guaranteed to get either Reggie Bush or Mario Williams. That really limits trading partners as you can imagine.[/

So we wouldn't trade with anyone after the 4 spot, even for 4 or 5 picks, with a couple 1st rounders involved?

The guy u are talking to isnt the GM, so how would he know what Casserly wants....and the only 2 teams with multiple 1st rounders in this draft are New York Jets(4 & 29) and the Broncos(15 & 22)....the best option for Houston would be the Jets 2 first rounders plus a later pick IMO

tulexan
03-24-2006, 10:54 PM
We have some people saying Bush is worth 4 or 5 picks and others saying that no one wants to trade up to get him, so which one is it?

Nobody wants to trade up to get him because they don't want to give up the multiple picks.

outofhnd
03-24-2006, 10:57 PM
Here I will play Devils Advocate..

Lets see the Jets looked like they were goin for a QB with their pick. However with Chad and Ramsey under contract maybe they are looking to bring a playmaking succsessor to Curtis Martin, Now Say Reggie Bush has an amazing Pro Day... The Jets with 2 first round picks to either spend on themselves or draft a Barry Sanders like runner who will excite Jets fans about the upcoming season where they have watched alot of players depart.

NOw on NFL Network Reggie said at the combine the teams he talked with most notably were the Texans Jets and Titans... Also He was treated to a NY Jets game last season.

That in turn gives us 2 scenarios at #4, Mario Williams DE, unless someone swaps with the saints @2 to grab him. or DBrickashaw Ferguson who would prolly play a year at RT filling our RT need this year and maybe swapping with Pitts somewhere down the road.

If We draft mario with #4 we can then grab Winston @ 29 for the same reason we would grab d Brick. If We grab D Brick, Maybe we draft a Chad Jackson Or Bobby Carpenter. 4 picks later If we didnt get Mario we draft a DE if we got Mario maybe a Corner here,

So as you can see that sounds pretty Doable especially if the Jets wanna get their fans excited about a dismal season. Next Year Mangini then can pick his QB Bradie Quinn out of Notre Dame, who his buddy Charley Weis is grooming.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 10:58 PM
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 11:00 PM
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.


Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:01 PM
[QUOTE=YoungnotBush]

The guy u are talking to isnt the GM, so how would he know what Casserly wants....and the only 2 teams with multiple 1st rounders in this draft are New York Jets(4 & 29) and the Broncos(15 & 22)....the best option for Houston would be the Jets 2 first rounders plus a later pick IMO


Well he seemed to have known how High the Texans set the bar to trade up and get Bush.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:02 PM
[QUOTE=Dunta_23]Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me[/QUOTE

The only team not there was the Redskins.

And all of the Texans were there.

outofhnd
03-24-2006, 11:05 PM
NO one speculated Michael Vick was going to be a falcon in 2001.

No one speculated Ricky Williams was goin to be a Saint.

Steven Jackson was supposed to be the Cowboys first round running back selection in 2003, Instead they traded down and got Julius Jones in round 2.

People Picked Rothelisberger to go to arizona.

Eli looked like he was goin to be an unhappy charger.

Ladanian Tomlinson was expected to be a bear.

There is a hush hush, media speculation doesnt mean diddly squat. last year we were a lock to get Alex Barron. Things change once teams are on the clock.:stirpot:

I just gave you the most realistic trade scenario we would possibly have given the current information.

tulexan
03-24-2006, 11:10 PM
I don't see the Jets trading with anyone. Considering that they have lost a Pro Bowl DE, a Pro Bowl C, a Pro Bowl CB, a solid OT, plus a few other players, I can't see them giving up two #1's plus some more high picks.

The Jets weren't a very good team before they cut a lot of their major players.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:12 PM
NO one speculated Michael Vick was going to be a falcon in 2001.

No one speculated Ricky Williams was goin to be a Saint.

Steven Jackson was supposed to be the Cowboys first round running back selection in 2003, Instead they traded down and got Julius Jones in round 2.

People Picked Rothelisberger to go to arizona.

Eli looked like he was goin to be an unhappy charger.

Ladanian Tomlinson was expected to be a bear.

There is a hush hush, media speculation doesnt mean diddly squat. last year we were a lock to get Alex Barron. Things change once teams are on the clock.:stirpot:

I just gave you the most realistic trade scenario we would possibly have given the current information.


But you know we are going to take Reggie Bush, right?

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2006, 11:14 PM
There are a lot of really good prospects this year . If I'm a top ten team I'm standing pat because I'm getting a good player without giving up my draft . If I'm the Texans and I can't trade with a team with a top five pick I will stand pat and draft Mario Williams or Bush .

If I pick in the 20s I'm calling the Texans or Saints to see how dumb they might be . I am a good team looking for the missing piece to the puzzle and might want Mario or Bush to get me over the top .

outofhnd
03-24-2006, 11:15 PM
Exactly why they might do it because next year, Chances are they are gonna be sitting where we are now.. on draft day (atleast I hope it isnt us again) Brady Quinn will be familiar with the system Mangini brings to the Jets, why not sell tickets by getting the most exciting RB since Barry Sanders? then get a talented young QB next year?

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:15 PM
Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me

Two teams got a jump on Texas quarterback Vince Young on Thursday night, the first opportunity anyone had to get an interview with the playmaking star of the Longhorns' national championship team.

One of them was the Raiders.

Know this: They love Young. Owner Al Davis, who tends to collect superior athletes on his roster like trading cards -- how else do you explain the fascination with sprinter and erstwhile receiver James Jett? -- has been drooling over Young and his athletic potential for months.

That was out of the San Fran chronicle on Feb. 26

outofhnd
03-24-2006, 11:17 PM
I never guarantee anything till Paul Tagliabue announces it on draft day... Like I said given the current information this is the most realistic trade oppurtunity.. I didnt say that it was going to happen I am saying the jets have the loudest voice in our ear on draft day with their 2 1st rounders.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 11:20 PM
Two teams got a jump on Texas quarterback Vince Young on Thursday night, the first opportunity anyone had to get an interview with the playmaking star of the Longhorns' national championship team.

One of them was the Raiders.

Know this: They love Young. Owner Al Davis, who tends to collect superior athletes on his roster like trading cards -- how else do you explain the fascination with sprinter and erstwhile receiver James Jett? -- has been drooling over Young and his athletic potential for months.

That was out of the San Fran chronicle on Feb. 26

Cool.. I had just read that the Raiders were the only team not in attendance....must have mistaken them for the Redskins

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2006, 11:20 PM
Ted Thompson of the Packers says you don't pass up a Michael Jordan . I bet if VY is there at #5 they will not pick him . This is all postering and until Pauls at the podium nobody really knows whats going to happen .

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:21 PM
I never guarantee anything till Paul Tagliabue announces it on draft day... Like I said given the current information this is the most realistic trade oppurtunity.. I didnt say that it was going to happen I am saying the jets have the loudest voice in our ear on draft day with their 2 1st rounders.

Until now nobody else has even discussed it. But have discussed many matt trades.

Nobody has even discussed the possibility of us trading down, as far as media outlets go.

dat_boy_yec
03-24-2006, 11:22 PM
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.

Because it is a consensus assumption that we will take him off the board at the top of the draft so there is no real reason for everybody to get their hopes up. Imagine if NO was the #1 spot right now. They just signed Brees so it would be stupid for them to take a QB with the first pick Duece is coming off an injury and they have solid D-line and O-line. Imagine the Texans board then when we would be @ #2. There would be only a small minority wanting to trade up, but the rest of us would be making arguments for taking Williams, Ferguson, or Young with the second pick or trading down. The further down we were in the draft order the less likely we would think about one of the top players. This is the affect on us as fans however GM's have a different viewpoint and our opinions don't really weigh in on their decisions. So even if there is a general consencus reached by the public the GM can still make a move that would be frowned upon.

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 11:24 PM
So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?

how do you know these discussions aren;t closely guarded? just because you don't hear about them doens't mean they aren't going on.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:26 PM
Interesting tid bit off of cbs.sportsline today:

Texas QB Vince Young had a private workout March 23 with the Tennessee Titans. It started at 9 a.m. Young spent the first hour-and-a-half in a film session, explaining to the coaching staff what he did and why he did it. Then for 45 minutes, Tennessee offensive coordinator Norm Chow conducted a passing drill. Young threw to Titans wide receivers Sloan Thomas, Courtney Roby and Bobby Wade. The word is that Young did very well.
Upcoming for Young, he has private workouts with the Ravens (April 2 & 3), Texans (April 6), Jets (April 17 & 18), and tentatively with the Dolphins (April 9 & 10).

tulexan
03-24-2006, 11:27 PM
Exactly why they might do it because next year, Chances are they are gonna be sitting where we are now.. on draft day (atleast I hope it isnt us again) Brady Quinn will be familiar with the system Mangini brings to the Jets, why not sell tickets by getting the most exciting RB since Barry Sanders? then get a talented young QB next year?


I'll tell you why. With their two first round picks they can draft a DE and a LT. What order they do this depends on what the Saints do. With their 2nd round pick they can draft a guy like Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai.

They fill 3 major holes with 3 picks. If they trade with us, they fill 1 major hole with 4 picks. And if Mangini is cut from the Bellicheck mold, I can't see him doing this.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:28 PM
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:30 PM
I'll tell you why. With their two first round picks they can draft a DE and a LT. What order they do this depends on what the Saints do. With their 2nd round pick they can draft a guy like Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai.

They fill 3 major holes with 3 picks. If they trade with us, they fill 1 major hole with 4 picks. And if Mangini is cut from the Bellicheck mold, I can't see him doing this.

If you are filling that hole with Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers then isn't it worth it?

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 11:32 PM
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?

you sure about that? do you travel and hear what people talk about in other part's of the country? he is probably the most talked about player in Houston no doubt. i was in St. Louis last month and all they were talking about is Reggie Bush.

texplayer2
03-24-2006, 11:32 PM
I think the problem with your logic here is (your opinion of Bush is not very good ) and you are looking for someone to be stupid and give us a lot of picks for him. The actual facts are that Bush is a very good prospect and our team should be smart and set a unbeatable bar for any negotiations and not look for some one they think they can get over on. None of these teams are in the stone ages. Everyone knows we don't need a QB, so why would they assume we wouldn't pick the best non-QB availible. I believe I have heard several Media guys say we would either pick Bush or Trade, but none have gone very far in the trade route. I would imagine you would here more after the USC Pro day. I think if we were to trade it would be on draft day and we would need to get at least 4-5 picks.

tulexan
03-24-2006, 11:36 PM
Here in New Orleans all they talk about is Mario Williams, D'Brick and AJ Hawk. I have only heard a handful of people on the radio bring up Vince. Most people here don't want him and never have.

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:42 PM
you sure about that? do you travel and hear what people talk about in other part's of the country? he is probably the most talked about player in Houston no doubt. i was in St. Louis last month and all they were talking about is Reggie Bush.

Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2006, 11:45 PM
Giving a 2nd round pick for Culpepper is a good deal for the buyer . If you only have to give a 2nd for Culpepper ( I know knee and yachting ) then teams are staying where their at .

texplayer2
03-24-2006, 11:46 PM
Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.

Some of that is perks from winning the National Championship, not an indication of his worth in the NFL.

Dunta_23
03-24-2006, 11:47 PM
Vince has been talked about a lot and he is still riding his Rose Bowl performance...

I don't think I have ever read of a QB not doing well at a private workout for a certain team...last year Rodgers and Smith were "incredible" yet 1 of them slipped to the mid 20's and the other is already considered a bust...you take these press releases for what they are worth and wait till draft day...then you know who was high on who and who wants who...

tulexan
03-24-2006, 11:49 PM
Alex Smith last year reportedly had the best workout since Aikman

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:49 PM
The Titans can now say they know Vince Young.

After watching some film with the quarterback and Longhorns offensive coordinator Greg Davis on Wednesday evening, the team's seven-person entourage enjoyed a Mexican dinner with Young, his uncle and his agent.

Yesterday, Jeff Fisher had breakfast with Young before a film work session at Texas' football office. Then Young went through a private workout at the team's practice bubble with Titans receivers Courtney Roby, Bobby Wade and Sloan Thomas catching passes.

After he reportedly scored a 6 on his first try at the Wonderlic a 12-minute, 50-question test administered at the combine some questioned Young's preparation and decision-making,

But Titans General Manager Floyd Reese said after visiting with Young and the two men he's chosen to guide him his uncle Keith Young and his inexperienced agent Major Adams he doesn't have any major questions.

And it's Reese who will have the ultimate say if the Titans decide to draft Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler with the No. 3 pick in the April 29-30 draft.

"I don't think we feel uncomfortable at all about that, I think that was just an example of how these things get blown out of proportion," Reese said. "We met with his agent and with his uncle for a long time.

"They are exceptional people and I can understand why Vince chose them. That probably wasn't as hard a decision as a lot of people want to make it out to be."

Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow already knew Leinart from their time together with the Trojans. He already knew Vanderbilt's Cutler from coaching him at the Senior Bowl and spending a recent day with him at team headquarters.

Now he finally has a feel for Young and will be able to make some comparisons as the Titans get closer to the draft.

"That was the first time I've even seen Vince in person because I missed him at the combine," Chow said after Wednesday's Pro Day workout. "Whatever fears people had about him, he seems like a guy people had a lot of questions about, I think he got a lot of them answered.

"I think he did a nice job. I think he did a lot to help himself in the draft."

Fisher said he too was pleased with what he saw and heard from Young during two days in Austin.

"I was very impressed with every phase, with his personality, his character, his competitiveness, his athletic ability," Fisher said.

A day after Young looked solid and drew some rave reviews for completing 50 of 55 passes in a Pro Day workout, Tennessee wanted to see Young perform in some less orchestrated situations.

"He did well with the different throws, the sprint outs, the pressure flushes, the scrambles and the different drops, the three-step, the five-step and the full drop," Fisher said. "I thought he did a nice job in each one of those situations."

Fisher said the three Titans receivers helped by bringing a great deal of energy to the workout.

Said Roby: "Basically we just ran the route tree and everything. Vince looked very comfortable. He has a strong arm. He has all of it. He's a very personable guy. He did well."

The Titans have plans to spend the same sort of time with Leinart on April 3, the day after the Trojans hold their Pro Day on campus.

And while they've already visited extensively with Cutler, odds are they will invite him back in to throw to the same trio of receivers as they continue to compare the three for the draft.

Honoring Earl 34
03-24-2006, 11:53 PM
So the Titans are going to take VY . What if we take Mario and the Saints take Dbrick can anyone say for certain what the Titans do next ?

Mailman04
03-24-2006, 11:54 PM
Youngnotbush, get out of Texas occasionally and realize there is football outside Austin. Houston doesn't need Vince Young.

el toro
03-24-2006, 11:58 PM
Why doesn't anyone really want to trade up for Vince Young if he's that good?

YoungnotBush
03-24-2006, 11:58 PM
okay we are talking about a Texas team.

YoungnotBush
03-25-2006, 12:03 AM
Why doesn't anyone really want to trade up for Vince Young if he's that good?

Because he is a risk and he is more of the type that slips and gets picked late to later become the best pick in this draft.

Texans_Chick
03-25-2006, 12:07 AM
Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me


This report says two scouts:

"By contrast, the Raiders had only two scouts in attendance -- no surprise, considering the team tends to play its scouting hand close to the vest." (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/03/23/RAIDERS.TMP)

Best homer quote:

The Tennessean (http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/SPORTS01/603230421/1002/MTCN0302)

"When you're fixing to invest one of the top four, five, six, 10 picks, and you punch and you prod, you end up if you're not careful, you can put a sow's ear on a prom queen," Longhorns offensive coordinator Greg Davis said. "Because it's easier for a guy to say, 'I've got a question' than it is to say 'Dagummit guys, this guy can do it.'"

Mightymike
03-25-2006, 12:22 AM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk]Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.

9ers at #6 would

Honoring Earl 34
03-25-2006, 12:29 AM
The 49ers would be silly to trade a lot of picks for one player . I mean come on they barely beat the Texans .

jerek
03-25-2006, 12:31 AM
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?

Double Vince's second score, and that is about what you get for Reggie.

MorKnolle
03-25-2006, 12:35 AM
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?

Every one of the teams other than maybe the Titans and Raiders that would be looking for a QB (in which case they'd take Leinart, not VY) would take Bush at #1. There is not another team in this league that would take Vince at #1 as many people on here are wanting, while at least half of the teams in the league would take Bush there.

Hervoyel
03-25-2006, 12:37 AM
The 49ers would be silly to trade a lot of picks for one player . I mean come on they barely beat the Texans .


If you're responding to Mightymike's post right before yours then the question he answered was who would spend the first pick on Bush, not who would trade up to get the first pick to use on Bush. There's a significant difference between the two.

I don't think the 49ers are the only team that would draft Bush if they had the first pick. The Jets would too I believe. Of the top ten teams I think the Texans, Titans, Jets, Packers, 49ers, possibly the Raiders, and maybe even the Lions* could very easily use the pick on Reggie Bush. Now that I think about it the Saints might do it as well. They have Drew Brees so they don't "need" a QB. They have Deuce but as we all know RB life spans aren't all that long. They might take him.

The entire premise of this thread is a little silly. We aren't the only team high on Reggie Bush. Plenty of teams would like to have this guy next season. We're the team most likely to get him because we don't have to hope he falls to us and so this is the board where the most talk about getting him is to be found.



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*Assuming the Lions don't see a WR they simply can't live without.

edo783
03-25-2006, 12:46 AM
It's not that Reggie isn't worth the first or probably Mario and MAYBE DBrick. It's what it costs a team who WANTS to move up to the 1st pick to do so. LOTs of teams want those guys and probably would be more than willing to spend a first on them, it's all the other cost that it take to get there that makes it hard to trade out of the first. The first pick is a cruel lady. She has great looks and is real hot, but VERY, VERY expensive.

dirty steve
03-25-2006, 12:50 AM
Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.

thanks for proving my point for me.

YoungnotBush
03-25-2006, 01:07 AM
It's not that Reggie isn't worth the first or probably Mario and MAYBE DBrick. It's what it costs a team who WANTS to move up to the 1st pick to do so. LOTs of teams want those guys and probably would be more than willing to spend a first on them, it's all the other cost that it take to get there that makes it hard to trade out of the first. The first pick is a cruel lady. She has great looks and is real hot, but VERY, VERY expensive.

Barry Sanders would be worth the cost.

YoungnotBush
03-25-2006, 01:10 AM
thanks for proving my point for me.


So what has Bush done that proves that point.

Tejaspro
03-25-2006, 01:27 AM
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?

Why is everyone so sure the Texans are taking Reggie Bush, when no other team seems to really care?

Why is it that the Texans have to have this kid, when they have the best RB situation out of all the top 7 teams in the draft, but we have to have him. He is going to take us to the promised land and no other team want a piece of that.

Anybody care to explain that?

No other team "seems to care" because they all know that no one in their right mind would pass on Bush. So why should anyone make a big deal about trying to get Bush. They know the Texans aren't going to pass on him, or trade down. Do you actually think that if another team had the first pick, they would pick anyone other than Bush? Do you know of some other team saying they would take someone else other than Bush if they had the first pick? I'm afraid your "handle" gives away your bias .

Hervoyel
03-25-2006, 01:35 AM
Barry Sanders would be worth the cost.


Not on the day of the 1989 draft he wasn't. He was taken third overall after Aikman and Mandarich and none of the 25 teams that followed that pick chose to bundle their picks together to trade up to the top spot and ensure they would get Barry Sanders. they didn't trade for the second spot either.

Reggie Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he might be. Barry Sanders wasn't even Barry Sanders when he was drafted. He was just a running back who had an amazing college career and who was thought to be capable of doing great things in the professional game.

Every guy who's got a chance of being picked in the first round might be amazing or might be nobody in two or three years. Reggie might be Barry Sanders. He might be Ki-Jana Carter.

Some days you draft Tony Boselli and some days you draft Tony Mandarich and it's impossible to be absolutely certain beforehand which one you're going to get.

Mathis13
03-25-2006, 01:37 AM
Barry Sanders would be worth the cost.
Well Barry Sanders aint in the leauge now... so you wouldn't know how much a team would give you to trade up to get Barry

Nighthawk
03-25-2006, 03:54 AM
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?

The fact is that the QB position is the prize, and people will think about trading up for the franchise QB before thinking about the franchise/feature RB/WR.

My guess is, in spite of all the talk of Vince falling, and Cutler rising, that the 3 top QBs will be off the board by #5. One or more by trade, naturally. Mario and Bush are likely to be the other 2 picks.

Teams can't afford to pass up a franchise QB, somebody who could lead their team for a decade or more. They say Leinart is a sure thing, and Cutler's come on strong. My money says somebody's going to look at Vince Young and see a stunning QB quite outside the mold, with talent and capabilities they only dream about--The Natural.

It's interesting looking at the video of his pro day. Look at how he moves, at how he throws effortlessly, at how everything just seems utterly natural. Think about what you could build on the natural ability that Young has.

We'll do fine with Carr for the next couple of years, though he's the least natural, least instinctive, most wooden and awkward QB I can think of. We'll do fine because Kubiak's system doesn't need a "star" QB (or RB, for that matter).

That's why I think we'll do everything we can to trade down and get some extra picks. Whether or not we get that done remains to be seen.

dirty steve
03-25-2006, 04:29 AM
So what has Bush done that proves that point.

this has nothing to do with bush. i am simply saying that VY is the most publicized, not necessarily the BPA in this draft. you can only know if someone is the BPA for a team if you are sitting in on their discussion. you aren't, are you?

i am not a VY hater, just know many of you would have a different opinion if we were in another part of the country.

big homey
03-25-2006, 08:53 AM
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?
Out of the top 10, I'd say the Jets, Packers, and 49ers would definitely take Bush. Tennesee, Oakland, Buffalo, and Arizona would opt for Leinart instead because they need QB's. The Saints I don't know about, but my guess is that they would take D'Brick at #1 anyway. The Lions probably want to abstain from any offensive skill players this time around.

tulexan
03-25-2006, 11:40 AM
Buffalo just took Losman, they wouldn't take Leinart

Please_Evolve
03-25-2006, 02:05 PM
i am stunned at these sort of threads.

whiskeyrbl
03-25-2006, 02:42 PM
I just want to know why there hasn't been any talk of anybody else wanting Reggie Bush, even by the Media?
The trade talk is about Matt Leinart, is he possibly the best player in this draft, and we are taking the 2nd best player with the #1 pick?

Because everyone believes he is a lock @ #1 with him being the BPA in the draft.So I guess they think their is no real discussion.:challenge

CITY CAT
03-25-2006, 02:44 PM
Other teams don't talk about him, because they don't have the #1 pick in the draft.