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1texan4life
03-24-2006, 10:32 AM
be utilized to their best potential on this team? They both seem to be similar, undersized backs. Has anyone heard how Dom feels about them drafting Bush? I guess the days of having a 1000 yard back are gone. With our offense I just cannot see how this can be productive. Don't get me wrong, I think they would be foolish to pass on Bush. I am just worried that this will not mesh well. Are their any ideas of converting Bush into a slot receiver? That would seem to be the best fit. With the Bush signing, that sure will be a lot of money locked into offensive weapons. Kubiak's zone blocking system has produced some studs over the years, I sure hope the trend continues.
On another note, I just did not understand why the Texans paid DD so much money when he is oft injured and they knew they had a great chance of getting the first pick early in draft by mid-season? Just wondering.
I sure wish the team well, they deserve it after last season.
:redtowel:

DRAMA
03-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Well, we can trade DD and take the hit or use DD as the 3rd down back that he was drafted to be in the first place. When Reggie hits that seam, there will be no doubt as to our offensive mindset. To steal a Dan Patrick baseball reference from Sportscenter to describe Reggie Bush in the seam -



- gone.

1texan4life
03-24-2006, 10:41 AM
I'm sorry but you don't give 3rd down backs multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts. That would be a gross misuse of valuable cap funds.

TexanBacker93
03-24-2006, 10:46 AM
Are their any ideas of converting Bush into a slot receiver? That would seem to be the best fit.
On another note, I just did not understand why the Texans paid DD so much money when he is oft injured and they knew they had a great chance of getting the first pick early in draft by mid-season? :redtowel:

Bush may split out and line up in the slot, but there is no way he's going to be utilized only in that position.

The Texans gave Domanick the extension before the season started. I think it was in the beginning of August that it happened. At that point the team had no reason to think the season was going to turn out the way it did.

1texan4life
03-24-2006, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the correction TexanBacker.
I was under the impression it happened during the season.
That makes more sense.

tulexan
03-24-2006, 11:00 AM
They will split time running the ball and when Davis is the running back, Bush will be in the slot for a lot of plays.

You don't have to use Bush all of the time, you can use his presence on the field to open things up for other players. Like what USC did against Texas for 3 quarters before having an untimely brain fart.

BigBull17
03-24-2006, 11:00 AM
They would utilize them similar to the way Denver uses their RB's. You split their carries and go with the one who gets hot. And having 2 Rbs split carries is going to become the norm in the NFL in a couple of years because it extends their careers and reduces injury.

dirty steve
03-24-2006, 11:05 AM
be utilized to their best potential on this team? They both seem to be similar, undersized backs. Has anyone heard how Dom feels about them drafting Bush? I guess the days of having a 1000 yard back are gone.

:redtowel:

apparently Dom has alot of input on the Texans' draft being with the Miami Dolphins and all.

profan
03-24-2006, 11:11 AM
i think it will work well. Bush was never used as a every down back in college. He split time with white and i think this will continue in the nfl with davis. I think it will help keep both backs healthy and productive. You will not see bush being caught from behind. He will break the big run, where davis just does not have the speed to take it all the way to the house. On the contract thing, davis signed his extension well before the season started.

DRAMA
03-24-2006, 11:14 AM
I'm sorry but you don't give 3rd down backs multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts. That would be a gross misuse of valuable cap funds.

Welcome to the world of GM Chaz Cass.

bigTEXan8
03-24-2006, 11:21 AM
I personally don't see DD being a Texan for that much longer. Not that he's going to get upset about playing double-duty with Bush (provided the Texans don't draft more dire needs), but I think it's going to be a money issue. JM:twocents:

kcwilson
03-24-2006, 11:32 AM
I personally don't see DD being a Texan for that much longer. Not that he's going to get upset about playing double-duty with Bush (provided the Texans don't draft more dire needs), but I think it's going to be a money issue. JM:twocents:

Agreed. If Bush comes in this year and rakes, then you can easily see Morency filling third down needs if we can get him a little experience this year.

Too bad that trades really don't happen in the NFL because DD has some value for sure. It would be a shame to release him, but cap space might dictate it if we could get an explosive #2 WR next year, for instance.

Carr, Bush, AJ, Putz, and a solid #2? Mathis lining up are third WR... above average speed at each position.

TheOgre
03-24-2006, 11:32 AM
Probably similarly to the way Tatum Bell and Mike Anderson were used last year.

LORK 88
03-24-2006, 11:36 AM
Does anyone else realize that we'll have about 6 years and $70 million tied up between 2 players? Does anyone else think thats a waste of money?

throwANDREtheBALL
03-24-2006, 12:16 PM
YES

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YES



I don't see the drafting of a RB even close to making sense, as far as filling needs.

Even with what we've done in FA, we still have needs at:
WR (#2 WR - possibly available in round 2)
OL (either OT or OG - they could then cut Wade and make Mckinney a backup )
LB (MLB - Shantee Orr could pull it off, but then who plays OLB?)
DB (either CB or FS - I'm not sold on Buchanon as a starter, and FS is an even bigger need)

We also might not have a LEGIT weakside DE - if Babin/Peek can't make switch back from college days.

And I think a backup TE would be nice......I think Matt Murphy is a 3rd string at best, Joppru is fine, but, never available.....so Mercedes Lewis or Joe Klopfenstein would be nice additions. Even David Thomas looks like a player.

BUT RB ?

Didn't we already burn a 2nd and two 3rd round picks on RBs ? Can't Davis and Morency get the job done ?
I'd rather have an upgrade at every position, before RB.

el toro
03-24-2006, 12:32 PM
So worries about the 3rd string TE should lead the Texans to pass on a great player? Sometimes you can worry too much about perfection across the board instead of capitalizing on your strength. The coaching staff is experienced in building a proficient offense. They can make the most of Bush's talent. If Capers was still in charge a move to average at every spot over landing a gamebreaker like Bush might make sense. If you seek the average at every spot then you'll end up with an average team and more unhappiness for seasons to come.

keyfro
03-24-2006, 12:42 PM
i wouldn't worry about how davis feels about them bringing in reggie bush...because the way it going to come down is DD will probably be starting most games...and bush will come in to take about 17-22 snaps of the game...denver did this a lot with mike anderson and tatum bell...use DD similiar to how they used anderson as the guy used to wear down the offense then put in bell to hit the homerun like we will bush...and by the way mike anderson had over a 1000yds rushing and bell was somewhere in the mid 900's so it is very possible that we can have a 1000yd rusher still

ThaShark316
03-24-2006, 12:50 PM
Toward the end of the season, I remember DD talking about how he wanted Bush here. Honestly, Reggie's arrival would help DD stay healthy, seeing as Davis wont have to carry the ball all game long and whatnot. Besides, who's the say Davis won't be the in the slot at times. He can run some routes. The Offense with AJ, Reggie and DD would be nice in so many ways.

el toro
03-24-2006, 12:56 PM
I'll add that having a competent offense lessens the burden on the D and can help to make an average defense rather effective. That comes from having an offense that can stay on the field for sustained drives instead of too many 3 and outs or some variation thereof. The better your O is at gaining yards, moving the chains, chewing up the clock and putting points on the board, the more time your D will get to rest and the more pressure that is put on the opposing offense to produce. There's a greater likelihood that the opposing O will have to force things and move out of their comfort zone.

Adding Bush to what has been assembled so far, and with Kubiak's direction, you have the opportunity to have a good to great offense soon. Kubiak showed in Denver how to use two backs effectively. He also showed that he can take a young QB with talent and right his career.

An offense that can stay on the field for a while and score points is worth plenty defensively. In addition, the team still has three picks at the beginning of the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If there are any glaring weaknesses then those can be used to address them, plus perhaps a move in free agency (ie Cowart). Then there is also the move to the 4-3 which should help.

bigTEXan8
03-24-2006, 12:59 PM
My thing is that this is going to tie up a lot of money between two players. I find it hard to believe that Bush's contract is going to range between 45-50 million...so I think that one is going to have to go. I still say that the smartest move this team can make is to hire my boy
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el toro
03-24-2006, 01:01 PM
If redundancy and price is the argument against Bush then how is Williams preferable? They just gave a fat contract to Weaver.

TexanFan881
03-24-2006, 01:04 PM
If we draft Bush maybe we can trade DD to a different team and get a player and/or pick.

thunderkyss
03-24-2006, 01:22 PM
be utilized to their best potential on this team? They both seem to be similar, undersized backs. there is nothing undersized about DD. He is huge..... about 230lbs in a 5'9"/5'10" frame.

Kubiak's zone blocking system has produced some studs over the years, I sure hope the trend continues.
that, and this being DD's 4th year, he will be more durable..... Look at the careers of the top 10 running backs of 2005, and you'll see they've all had injury problems in their first three years(with maybe the exception of Ladainian Tomlinson). DD (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395946) played(started) as many if not more games in his first three years, than Shaun Alexander (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187382), Tiki Barber (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1782), Larry Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164), and Clinton Portis (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302215).

On another note, I just did not understand why the Texans paid DD so much money when he is oft injured and they knew they had a great chance of getting the first pick early in draft by mid-season? Just wondering.
I sure wish the team well, they deserve it after last season.
:redtowel:
Because he is worth every penny.... Actually, they signed him before they new who Reggie Bush was.
But in almost every category,in the first three years of their carreers, DD has outplayed Tiki Barber, Larry Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164), Warrick Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1171), or just about any RB in the NFL today, minus LT..... it's no contest, when you count all purpose yards.

If he were playing for New England, or Indy, Seattle, or NewYork, all these Bush "fans" would have been drooling over him.

Same thing with Gaffney.

uhcougar08
03-24-2006, 01:26 PM
If I am not mistaken, DD contract has a lot of incentive money attached to it. Which, if I am not mistaken, his promised money is not as big as you think it is. It works like this....He is guaranteed X amount of dollars, and he will gain more if he gains like 1000, or 1500 yards, a lot of TD's, or a Pro-Bowl selection. These are just examples, but not all of his money is promised to him. Correct me if I am wrong, but this will give us the extra money to give to Reggie and they can do what ever they want with DD.

tulexan
03-24-2006, 01:31 PM
Larry Johnson didn't have comparable stats because he wasn't the starter until this year.

And when Shaun Alexander was drafted Ricky Watters was the starter. When Alexander took over, his numbers aren't even comparable to Davis. I believe his worst season is better than DD's best.

DD has had injury problems since college.

el toro
03-24-2006, 01:32 PM
I'm well aware of DD. I'm also aware of his health. In addition I see that Bush would be a net plus for him in Houston, both from reducing his workload somewhat to drawing attention away from him.

zeplin
03-24-2006, 02:03 PM
[

Because he is worth every penny.... Actually, they signed him before they new who Reggie Bush was.
But in almost every category,in the first three years of their carreers, DD has outplayed Tiki Barber, Larry Johnson (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396164), Warrick Dunn (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1171), or just about any RB in the NFL today, minus LT..... it's no contest, when you count all purpose yards.

If he were playing for New England, or Indy, Seattle, or NewYork, all these Bush "fans" would have been drooling over him.

Same thing with Gaffney.[/QUOTE]


I agree . So many people are bagging on this guy for no good reasons. He is a proven RB playing on a bad team and still able to get it done.. RB is going to be traded an the Texans will take D'Brick at LT to complete the Offense.



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el toro
03-24-2006, 02:15 PM
Bush will be selected. You don't win by perfectly constructing a team. That's great for the fantasy leagues, I suppose.

hollywood_texan
03-24-2006, 04:23 PM
NFL games are won between the tackles and there hasn't been enough emphasis placed on that part of the game since the beginning of this organization.

I find it amazing the front office takes Tony Bosseli #1 in the expansion draft because they wanted to a complete LT. Yet, they knew the risks and when it didn't work completely ignored that position.

It seems they didn't have a coherent plan the first four years and drafting Reggie Bush will not help the team improve immediately to compete for the playoffs.

But let's just say the offense blows the doors of the next two years, how does the front office maintain a salary cap with David Carr, Andre Johnson (something will have to be with his contract soon and his agent I am sure will use Reggis Bush's contract as a measuring stick), Reggie Bush, and Domanick Davis (or someone else because it seems Bush will not be the every down back) and maintain a competitive team on both sides of the ball?

We should go the Pittsburgh and Denver route and develop a plan and find the players that fit the plan. Just taking the so-called best player in the draft isn't going to win football games. Having a complete plan with key players and great coaching will win football games.

I hope Kubiak focuses on stuffing the run and running the ball at win. That is way to winning championships and will help Carr out the most.

THE TEAM/PLAN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY ONE PLAYER!!! YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE TEAM/PLAN BEFORE YOU CAN DRAFT TO RIGHT PLAYER!!!

el toro
03-24-2006, 04:35 PM
The Texans are on 'the Denver route'...

Kaiser Toro
03-24-2006, 05:57 PM
NFL games are won between the tackles and there hasn't been enough emphasis placed on that part of the game since the beginning of this organization.

I find it amazing the front office takes Tony Bosseli #1 in the expansion draft because they wanted to a complete LT. Yet, they knew the risks and when it didn't work completely ignored that position.

It seems they didn't have a coherent plan the first four years and drafting Reggie Bush will not help the team improve immediately to compete for the playoffs.

But let's just say the offense blows the doors of the next two years, how does the front office maintain a salary cap with David Carr, Andre Johnson (something will have to be with his contract soon and his agent I am sure will use Reggis Bush's contract as a measuring stick), Reggie Bush, and Domanick Davis (or someone else because it seems Bush will not be the every down back) and maintain a competitive team on both sides of the ball?

We should go the Pittsburgh and Denver route and develop a plan and find the players that fit the plan. Just taking the so-called best player in the draft isn't going to win football games. Having a complete plan with key players and great coaching will win football games.

I hope Kubiak focuses on stuffing the run and running the ball at win. That is way to winning championships and will help Carr out the most.

THE TEAM/PLAN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY ONE PLAYER!!! YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE TEAM/PLAN BEFORE YOU CAN DRAFT TO RIGHT PLAYER!!!

We march to the same kazoo. Well said.

Maddict5
03-24-2006, 06:18 PM
With the Bush signing, that sure will be a lot of money locked into offensive weapons. Kubiak's zone blocking system has produced some studs over the years, I sure hope the trend continues.

:redtowel:

thats something i meant to ask...people keep saying kubiak's zone blocking.. does any1 actually know that we're running that.. the reason i ask is that im pretty sure GB didnt run zone blocking and sherman is the o-line coach..

any info would be appreciated

thunderkyss
03-24-2006, 09:06 PM
Larry Johnson didn't have comparable stats because he wasn't the starter until this year.

And when Shaun Alexander was drafted Ricky Watters was the starter. When Alexander took over, his numbers aren't even comparable to Davis. I believe his worst season is better than DD's best.

DD has had injury problems since college.
I'm well aware of Ricky Watters & Priest Holmes, and how their carreers intertwined with Shaun Alexander's, and Larry Johnson's..... Larry Johnson was a backup, and still couldn't stay healthy... does anyone deny he is a franchise back?? he was only on the roster for 32 games. DD?? 40.


I meant to exclude alexander from that list......... but they both avg 4.1 yds per carry their first three years as starter.
I'm well aware of DD. I'm also aware of his health. In addition I see that Bush would be a net plus for him in Houston, both from reducing his workload somewhat to drawing attention away from him.

His health will be greatly extended if Kubiak can get him to the secondary untouched, like he has for Gary, Anderson, Portis........ et al... untouched. And using Wells or Morency like regular coaches would.

dat_boy_yec
03-24-2006, 09:07 PM
NFL games are won between the tackles and there hasn't been enough emphasis placed on that part of the game since the beginning of this organization.

I find it amazing the front office takes Tony Bosseli #1 in the expansion draft because they wanted to a complete LT. Yet, they knew the risks and when it didn't work completely ignored that position.

It seems they didn't have a coherent plan the first four years and drafting Reggie Bush will not help the team improve immediately to compete for the playoffs.

But let's just say the offense blows the doors of the next two years, how does the front office maintain a salary cap with David Carr, Andre Johnson (something will have to be with his contract soon and his agent I am sure will use Reggis Bush's contract as a measuring stick), Reggie Bush, and Domanick Davis (or someone else because it seems Bush will not be the every down back) and maintain a competitive team on both sides of the ball?

We should go the Pittsburgh and Denver route and develop a plan and find the players that fit the plan. Just taking the so-called best player in the draft isn't going to win football games. Having a complete plan with key players and great coaching will win football games.

I hope Kubiak focuses on stuffing the run and running the ball at win. That is way to winning championships and will help Carr out the most.

THE TEAM/PLAN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY ONE PLAYER!!! YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE TEAM/PLAN BEFORE YOU CAN DRAFT TO RIGHT PLAYER!!!

I assume that by 2009 our cap position will be much better, Carr, Johnson, and Davis all have the same contract yrs. well I think much will depend on DD's play. If Bush proves to be capable of carrying the majority of the load I can see them letting DD go or renegotiating his contract. Also Wong and Greenwood's contracts are up as well I would think that we would draft to fill these positions with much cheaper player so that they can free up alot of space when the time comes. Alot of the players are going to have to prove ther worth and I think our cap situation can be handled with ease. I think next yr. and the one afterwards will have alot to do with showing what players will have a future on this team.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-24-2006, 11:40 PM
If redundancy and price is the argument against Bush then how is Williams preferable? They just gave a fat contract to Weaver.

You put williams on the other side and then you have all these DT battle it out to see which ones make the numbers and may have to cut some. If you get some of the DT off the team may be able to pick up some additional speed to Special Teams.

CaptainPatriot
03-25-2006, 04:54 PM
If we draft Bush maybe we can trade DD to a different team and get a player and/or pick.


To trade DD because of always being injured and the price tag on him. I think teams that really need a back will get 1 in the draft this yr.


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HOOK'EM
03-26-2006, 10:36 PM
How bout DD riding tha pine, untill Bush Needs to come out for some water for a play or two. I thought we drafted DD to return kickoffs and for 3rd downs.:redtowel: