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The Dude Abides
03-23-2006, 12:30 AM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm


A league source tells us that the Oakland Raiders "were all over" quarterback Vince Young at his March 22 pro day workout in Austin, and that there's a strong belief in league circles the Raiders will select him with the seventh overall pick in the draft, if he's still available.

We're also told that the Raiders are worried that Young won't be available in the seven hole.

The Titans, with the third pick, could be the best bet to take Young. The Jets, at No. 4, are a more remote possibility. Other teams could try to strike a trade with one of the teams who pick before the Raiders in order to move up and get Young before the Raiders can gobble him up.

uteric3232
03-23-2006, 12:32 AM
weird, I read somewhere else that one of the biggest surprise of the proday was that the Raiders were one of the only teams without a rep there.

The Dude Abides
03-23-2006, 12:36 AM
weird, I read somewhere else that one of the biggest surprise of the proday was that the Raiders were one of the only teams without a rep there.

I think it was the Redskins.

Kookus
03-23-2006, 12:54 AM
FYI: The Raiders just signed A. Brooks.

The Dude Abides
03-23-2006, 02:06 AM
FYI: The Raiders just signed A. Brooks.

FYI. 2 year contract.

HJam72
03-23-2006, 02:20 AM
I don't think it's gonna happen, but what would we need from the Raiders to make that trade down? :stirpot:

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 08:16 AM
I don't think it's gonna happen, but what would we need from the Raiders to make that trade down? :stirpot:
Swap spots, Randy Moss, and either their 2nd rd'r or 3rd rd'r. Or just a swap of the spots and Moss.

kingh99
03-23-2006, 08:25 AM
The Raiders weren't there yesterday according to ESPN Radio. Probably means they'll take him. LOL.

MONARCH
03-23-2006, 09:06 AM
Greetings all....

The Oakland Raiders organization simply do not deserve someone as MAGNIFICENT as the VY. PERIOD!

Why don't they simply stick to their own.......someone who just loves to walk around with a California area code upon his head......."espn's very own reggie bush".

For us REAL TEXANS are quite certain that he will indeed be lurking around somewhere..........he will look JUST DIVINE in a Raider's uniform, area code and all.......

VINCE YOUNG IS COMING HOME TO HOUSTON WHERE HE BELONGS! For it's high time to STOP THE SPINNING, AND START THE WINNING!
MONARCH

chuckm
03-23-2006, 09:10 AM
Greetings all....

The Oakland Raiders organization simply do not deserve someone as MAGNIFICENT as the VY. PERIOD!

Why don't they simply stick to their own.......someone who just loves to walk around with a California area code upon his head......."espn's very own reggie bush".

For us REAL TEXANS are quite certain that he will indeed be lurking around somewhere..........he will look JUST DIVINE in a Raider's uniform, area code and all.......

VINCE YOUNG IS COMING HOME TO HOUSTON WHERE HE BELONGS! For it's high time to STOP THE SPINNING, AND START THE WINNING!
MONARCH

dude you make reading Vince-loving posts bearable .... I'm a MONARCH fan

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 09:31 AM
dude you make reading Vince-loving posts bearable .... I'm a MONARCH fan
I say we draft Monarch w/the #1 pick

chuckm
03-23-2006, 09:34 AM
dude you make reading Vince-loving posts bearable .... I'm a MONARCH fan



I say we draft Monarch w/the #1 pick


Now you on the other hand ...... kidding kidding

Kaiser Toro
03-23-2006, 09:35 AM
http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/info/faqs/bflymoth/lifespan.htm

Adult Life Span: If you are thinking only in terms of the winged adult stage, the answer is simpler. Marking studies suggest that adults of many (and perhaps most) species live only a week or two, and that the male tends to live a few days less than the female. However, in some species, the adult life span of some generations may be much longer. For example, in some species, adults that emerge in late summer or early fall hibernate overwinter in a sheltered spot. Also fall-hatched monarch butterflies migrate south in fall and northward in spring. Adults of these species may survive for 8-9 months or longer.

Total Life Span: Total life span includes time spent in the larval and pupal stages, as well as the adult stage. Butterflies of North America and Moths of North America list the number of annual "flights" for many species. A "flight" is a generation of adults. Thus, if a species has "two flights from May through September" it means that one generation will emerge from the pupal stage in spring and a second in summer. Actual months of emergence depend on latitude. Life spans of these two generations will be very different depending upon the species’ strategy for getting through the winter.

Oh beautiful and bountiful Monarch, god speed to you.

EDITING to inlcude a :). I do not want people to think that I hate Monarchs nor our member under the same name. In fact I just built a butterfly alley on the side of my yard.

PokerStar
03-23-2006, 09:37 AM
Wow Kaiser that was maybe the most thought out and well orchestrated way to say on your way to hell I have ever read. Kudos to you.

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 09:43 AM
Would one think that the Raiders gave A. Brooks a two year deal so he can tutor VY. A QB who is a vet and has the running tendency and is from the south. VY could learn alot from Brooks, not how to play (maybe a little) but more or less how to be a pro. The offense would not need to be changed too much when/if VY takes over and since it's only a 2 year deal (most players never see the last year of a contract), VY could be the projected starter in '07.

I'd much rather see him here but my other choice is Tenn but with Leinert possibly still on the board they may take him so my next choice would be the Cards.
A. Close to home.
B. Running game (Edge).
C. Stud receivers (Bolden, Fitzgerald, and Bryant).
D. New stadium.
E. Denny Green, who has plenty of exp with that type of QB (Cunningham and Culpepper).
F. K. Warner would be the best at teaching him how to read Defensive coverages.
G. The possibility to start sooner rather than later.
They just need to work on the line and get better production out of their D. This would probably require a trade up to 4, 5, or 6.

Sorry for going off topic.

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 09:44 AM
Now you on the other hand ...... kidding kidding
Am I a 2nd day guy or an undrafted FA.

chuckm
03-23-2006, 09:48 AM
Am I a 2nd day guy or an undrafted FA.


I'm still doing my evaluations ..... don't call me, I'll call you

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 09:54 AM
I'm still doing my evaluations ..... don't call me, I'll call you
I'll run the 40 and re-take my Wonderlich if it helps.

nunusguy
03-23-2006, 09:59 AM
I dunno....going all the way back to "The Mad Bomber" (Daryl Lamonica ), the
Raiders have always liked the vertical game, the long bomb. And the same guy, ole Al Davis, is still running the show out there. That's really not VYs game is it ?

Kaiser Toro
03-23-2006, 10:13 AM
I dunno....going all the way back to "The Mad Bomber" (Daryl Lamonica ), the
Raiders have always liked the vertical game, the long bomb. And the same guy, ole Al Davis, is still running the show out there. That's really not VYs game is it ?

He has a big and consistent arm in my opinion. In looking at yards per completion for 2005 it broke down like this:

VY 14.3
Cutler 11.2
Leinart 8.85

TheOgre
03-23-2006, 10:20 AM
I'd like Vince in Oakland, Minnesota or Arizona, if we don't get him. I just pray he doesn't go to Tennessee, Dallas or New York (Jets).

Mightymike
03-23-2006, 10:35 AM
FYI: The Raiders just signed A. Brooks.

he's there to groom vince. they are the same type of QB. Vince may not be able to start this year and they are cutting K. Collins

MONARCH
03-23-2006, 11:01 AM
http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/info/faqs/bflymoth/lifespan.htm

Adult Life Span: If you are thinking only in terms of the winged adult stage, the answer is simpler. Marking studies suggest that adults of many (and perhaps most) species live only a week or two, and that the male tends to live a few days less than the female. However, in some species, the adult life span of some generations may be much longer. For example, in some species, adults that emerge in late summer or early fall hibernate overwinter in a sheltered spot. Also fall-hatched monarch butterflies migrate south in fall and northward in spring. Adults of these species may survive for 8-9 months or longer.

Total Life Span: Total life span includes time spent in the larval and pupal stages, as well as the adult stage. Butterflies of North America and Moths of North America list the number of annual "flights" for many species. A "flight" is a generation of adults. Thus, if a species has "two flights from May through September" it means that one generation will emerge from the pupal stage in spring and a second in summer. Actual months of emergence depend on latitude. Life spans of these two generations will be very different depending upon the speciesí strategy for getting through the winter.

Oh beautiful and bountiful Monarch, god speed to you.

EDITING to inlcude a :). I do not want people to think that I hate Monarchs nor our member under the same name. In fact I just built a butterfly alley on the side of my yard.

PROPS KT!

.......but I'm all about TEXAS ROYALTY.......and such.

Right attitude......just the WRONG MONARCH!MONARCH

Porky
03-23-2006, 11:06 AM
Young in Oakland seems like a great fit to me. Since my wife's entire family is from that area, I have become a bit of a closet Raiders fan. Imagine VY throwing to that set of wideouts they now have. Al Davis may not have as much alzheimers as I thought. Good luck to VY in California, the land of fruits and nuts. :redtowel:

Lucky
03-23-2006, 12:21 PM
He has a big and consistent arm in my opinion. In looking at yards per completion for 2005 it broke down like this:

VY 14.3
Cutler 11.2
Leinart 8.85
Leinart had 3815 passing yards on 283 completions for a 13.5 yards/comp. average.

Still, Cutler has the strongest arm. The yards/comp. stat doesn't take into account the receivers' yards after catch numbers. Or the fact that Young and Leinart's respective lines allowed the QBs to look downfield more often.

Vinny
03-23-2006, 12:31 PM
Leinart had 3815 passing yards on 283 completions for a 13.5 yards/comp. average.

Still, Cutler has the strongest arm. The yards/comp. stat doesn't take into account the receivers' yards after catch numbers. Or the fact that Young and Leinart's respective lines allowed the QBs to look downfield more often.or the fact that when you spy Young, you have to take someone either out of coverage or out of the pass rush. You can't just dedicate a player to Young without hurting your defensive team in another area.

Texans_Chick
03-23-2006, 12:35 PM
I think from what I have read that the Raiders covet VY. Davis likes to win and he likes to win in an exciting way.

That being said, that would be a horrible place for VY to go. Their coaching staff is non-good, and traditionally, they have done a terrible job developing young QBs. And by the looks of Al Davis at the CBA meetings, people who participate in dead pools probably should have him on their lists. eek. That entire organization is a mess.

Texans_Chick
03-23-2006, 12:37 PM
or the fact that when you spy Young, you have to take someone either out of coverage or out of the pass rush. You can't just dedicate a player to Young without hurting your defensive team in another area.

This is oft ignored and is worth repeating.

Kaiser Toro
03-23-2006, 12:39 PM
Leinart had 3815 passing yards on 283 completions for a 13.5 yards/comp. average.

Still, Cutler has the strongest arm. The yards/comp. stat doesn't take into account the receivers' yards after catch numbers. Or the fact that Young and Leinart's respective lines allowed the QBs to look downfield more often.

You are correct, I inadevertently took his attempts rather than completions.

Porky
03-23-2006, 01:21 PM
or the fact that when you spy Young, you have to take someone either out of coverage or out of the pass rush. You can't just dedicate a player to Young without hurting your defensive team in another area.

I think the same overall principle also applies to Bush. :)

Vinny
03-23-2006, 01:23 PM
I think the same overall principle also applies to Bush. :)Bush isn't a qb the last time I checked. Teams spy QB's who are a threat to run, otherwise they generally do not dedicate a player or player(s) to the QB like you do for a WR or RB.

chuckm
03-23-2006, 01:31 PM
Bush isn't a qb the last time I checked. Teams spy QB's who are a threat to run, otherwise they generally do not dedicate a player or player(s) to the QB like you do for a WR or RB.


No he's not a QB but he will require more defensive game-planning than your average back .....

Washington State head coach Bill Doba:
"If you've got a linebacker covering him, you might as well start singing their fight song."

PokerStar
03-23-2006, 01:35 PM
Vinny you are right on this one, with runningbacks that are similar to Reggie most teams will stress wrapping up and staying on your assignment. With QBs that are dual threats they will use a spy, but now most DCoordinators have adopted the Panthers attacking lane spy defense. It is not called that, but that is essentially what they do to negate runs. They use the strongside rusher as a delayed pass rusher and make sure that the Pass Rushers stay in their lane, while dropping the MLB or OLB into a spy/flatzone coverage. It has worked against Vick, I would assume it will be employed against guys like Young and Reggie McNeil.

CarrIsFine
03-23-2006, 01:54 PM
http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/info/faqs/bflymoth/lifespan.htm

Adult Life Span: If you are thinking only in terms of the winged adult stage, the answer is simpler. Marking studies suggest that adults of many (and perhaps most) species live only a week or two, and that the male tends to live a few days less than the female. However, in some species, the adult life span of some generations may be much longer. For example, in some species, adults that emerge in late summer or early fall hibernate overwinter in a sheltered spot. Also fall-hatched monarch butterflies migrate south in fall and northward in spring. Adults of these species may survive for 8-9 months or longer.

Total Life Span: Total life span includes time spent in the larval and pupal stages, as well as the adult stage. Butterflies of North America and Moths of North America list the number of annual "flights" for many species. A "flight" is a generation of adults. Thus, if a species has "two flights from May through September" it means that one generation will emerge from the pupal stage in spring and a second in summer. Actual months of emergence depend on latitude. Life spans of these two generations will be very different depending upon the species’ strategy for getting through the winter.

Oh beautiful and bountiful Monarch, god speed to you.

EDITING to inlcude a :). I do not want people to think that I hate Monarchs nor our member under the same name. In fact I just built a butterfly alley on the side of my yard.
Look for Monarch's migration northward (Tennessee????) to begin the first week in May. Sadly, this would make his life-span much shorter than average, only 2 months............fly, fly away.

Porky
03-23-2006, 02:00 PM
I'm kinda hoping Monarch flies into my windshield on the way home. :neener:

Double Barrel
03-23-2006, 02:14 PM
I'm kinda hoping Monarch flies into my windshield on the way home. :neener:

And you know what the last thing that goes through his mind, yeah? ;)

VY in a Raiders uni....hmmmmm...I could see it. It would definitely make Oakland a team worth watching if it happened.

I still think he'll end up in a Titans uni, though.

PokerStar
03-23-2006, 02:27 PM
Best team for VY is the Cardinals. They have two young tall receivers that will go get the ball much like at UT, plus they can catch. He has an opportunity to sit, and get some action this year when Warner gets hurt. He would be real solid there it is like the Cardinals are really starting something, but they are still the Cards.

MONARCH
03-23-2006, 02:46 PM
I'm kinda hoping Monarch flies into my windshield on the way home. :neener:

WHY! ......to constantly remind you that the VY is now wearing a HOUSTON TEXANS uniform..........all the way home to your enamored PIG PEN......

......why do you do this porky......WHY?
MONARCH