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Frills
03-22-2006, 05:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2380129




The committee also is considering recommending to officials that they make sure there was holding on a play before throwing a flag.

"We want to make sure they actually see the foul," McKay said.

One such play occurred in the Super Bowl. Seattle right tackle Sean Locklear was called for holding on a pass completion early in the fourth quarter that would have put the Seahawks at the Pittsburgh 1-yard line, poised to go in for the tying touchdown. After the penalty, Seattle quarterback Matt Hasselbeck threw an interception and the Steelers eventually scored to take a 14-point lead.

chuckm
03-22-2006, 05:16 PM
One rule that I've often wondered about is the coin toss. Why not give the winning team the option to defer as in college?

mexican_texan
03-22-2006, 05:54 PM
One rule that I've often wondered about is the coin toss. Why not give the winning team the option to defer as in college?
We don't have that option?

chuckm
03-22-2006, 05:55 PM
We don't have that option?


unless I'm mistaken, no

PapaL
03-22-2006, 07:32 PM
This is going to sound stupid, but you have that option in Madden. LoL

aggieNzona
03-22-2006, 08:43 PM
I would love to see the reply moved upstairs (seems like a no brainer) and common sense be allowed to be used. To many things are "not reviewable". And if I was king I think I would like to see a rules change about the goaline and crossing it. A WR can make a great catch, land get hit and loose the ball it is an incomplete pass. A RB can leap over the goal line lose posesstion all by himself and it is a TD. I would like to see the running back have to come down w/ the ball in the endzone also the "Plane" to break should be the back of the line not the front!

gtexan02
03-22-2006, 09:18 PM
I would like to see penalties reviewable. I don't see why they aren't

MorKnolle
03-22-2006, 09:31 PM
I would like to see penalties reviewable. I don't see why they aren't

Reviewing penalties could add a ton more time to games and break up the flow of things, but certainly some penalties under certain circumstances should be reviewable.

TEXANRED
03-22-2006, 11:29 PM
I would love to see the reply moved upstairs (seems like a no brainer) and common sense be allowed to be used. To many things are "not reviewable". And if I was king I think I would like to see a rules change about the goaline and crossing it. A WR can make a great catch, land get hit and loose the ball it is an incomplete pass. A RB can leap over the goal line lose posesstion all by himself and it is a TD. I would like to see the running back have to come down w/ the ball in the endzone also the "Plane" to break should be the back of the line not the front!
The wide receiver has to have full posession, and maintain posession of the football once the receiver hits the ground for it to be ruled a catch. This is one of many criteria that must be met for an attempted reception to be counted as a completion. This rule counts for anywhere on the field, out of bounds, in the middle of the field, endzone, where ever. So natuarly when the receiver fails to maintain posession when coming in contact with the ground, regardless of where the receiver is on the field, it is ruled an incompetion. So since the receiver never had posession of the football there is no catch. Unlike a running back, or anyone with posession with the football, all that is required for a touchdown, once posession has been established, is to brake the plane of the endzone.

So to sum it up, its all about posession.:cool:

outofhnd
03-22-2006, 11:32 PM
Personally I dont Like ANY of the changes listed there. No hitting the quarterback in the legs? Come On!! the Palmer injury was a like a rare occurance. hitting them in the head is a foul now in the legs is a foul? thats just not football anymore. They might as well change it to professional flag football and be done with it. So pointless.

The Horse collar tackle yet another fluke brought up mainly because Fisher lost one of his players for the year on that kind of tackle. I think that rule should also be revoked...

The Holding penalties, How is that going to work that sounds like it will basically mean late flags on the play, lots of official huddles to determine if he really did see holding on the play... This is getting ridiculous. I hope that none of them pass.

Hookem Horns
03-22-2006, 11:34 PM
You can't defer in the NFL? I never thought about it but I always thought you could. You can in Madden and "if it is in the game, it is IN the game".

Anyone know this rule for sure?

outofhnd
03-22-2006, 11:37 PM
You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

aggieNzona
03-23-2006, 01:29 AM
So natuarly when the receiver fails to maintain posession when coming in contact with the ground, regardless of where the receiver is on the field, it is ruled an incompetion. So since the receiver never had posession of the football there is no catch. Unlike a running back, or anyone with posession with the football, all that is required for a touchdown, once posession has been established, is to brake the plane of the endzone.

So to sum it up, its all about posession.:cool:[/QUOTE]

But it is not consistant with a runner. The ground cannot cause a fumble but it can an incompletion. And to me when a runner reaches out to the goal line but none of his body is even close and he looses posesion it is still a TD. I would just like to see all TD's earned and that woukd also eliminate almost all issues of did he get in.

BigBull17
03-23-2006, 08:12 AM
You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

The Lions defered on an overtime coin toss, if that helps the memory...

chuckm
03-23-2006, 08:55 AM
You can defer on the coin toss. However the majority of the time you want to draw first blood so you elect to recieve. Its one of those unspoken things in the NFL, just like its not intentional grounding if a qb spikes the ball to stop the clock. I have seen a game where they deferred just cant remember the exact game... here is the official NFL rule...



Digest of Rules

Coin Toss
1. The toss of coin will take place within three minutes of kickoff in center of field. The toss will be called by the visiting captain before the coin is flipped. The winner may choose one of two privileges and the loser gets the other:

(a) Receive or kick

(b) Goal his team will defend

2. Immediately prior to the start of the second half, the captains of both teams must inform the officials of their respective choices. The loser of the original coin toss gets first choice.

Right I understand this but it still doesn't give the coin toss team the ability to defer their "choice" until the beginning of the second half. Correct?

cap1
03-23-2006, 10:55 AM
Right I understand this but it still doesn't give the coin toss team the ability to defer their "choice" until the beginning of the second half. Correct?

your correct. If you choose to kick on the opening coin toss, then the other team has the choice to recieve or kick in the second half. Wonder what they would choose? :challenge

cap1
03-23-2006, 10:57 AM
The Lions defered on an overtime coin toss, if that helps the memory...

The lions did not defer, they choose to kickoff. Defer is at the opening coin toss. Colleges and high Schools do it to get the ball at the start of the second half. Teams with good defenses usually defer so they can set the tone of the game from the start.

thegr8fan
03-23-2006, 11:05 AM
If there are any more rules added 'to protect the QB' then we might as well stop rushing the guy, since you can't hit/tackle him anyway, and just draft 4 LB's and drop them into coverage. Football is turning into a 10 man offense and an untouchable guy standing in at QB. Put a flag on the QB, it would be fairer to the Defense already.

TheOgre
03-23-2006, 11:26 AM
It just isn't common practice for a team to defer in the pros.

Double Barrel
03-23-2006, 11:59 AM
Reviewing penalties could add a ton more time to games and break up the flow of things, but certainly some penalties under certain circumstances should be reviewable.

Honeslty, if they were worried about the "flow of the game", they wouldn't add so many darn tv timeouts. Sitting at the stadium for one of these is aggravating.

And with regards to OT, I think they should let each team have the ball at least once, out of fairness. One coin toss should not have that much importance in a football game.

bigTEXan8
03-23-2006, 12:46 PM
Honeslty, if they were worried about the "flow of the game", they wouldn't add so many darn tv timeouts. Sitting at the stadium for one of these is aggravating.

And with regards to OT, I think they should let each team have the ball at least once, out of fairness. One coin toss should not have that much importance in a football game.

I concur. I really like the OT in college football, giving each team a chance to win the game on the 25 I believe. I just think it's puts the game in the hands of the players, not a coin and one score. I wouldn't even know where to start, but the first team to score in a regular session of a game doesn't always win...right? Why should it be the same in OT?

TEXANRED
03-23-2006, 01:00 PM
But it is not consistant with a runner. The ground cannot cause a fumble but it can an incompletion. And to me when a runner reaches out to the goal line but none of his body is even close and he looses posesion it is still a TD. I would just like to see all TD's earned and that woukd also eliminate almost all issues of did he get in.

I understand what you are saying, but when the runner breaks the plane of the goal line within that nano second the play is over. So it does not matter what happens after that. Hitting the ground and fumbling the football does not matter b/c the play is over. Unlike the receiver who has to meet the criteria for a reception. The play continues until posession has or has not been established.

Just like a receiver who catches the ball in the air out of bounds. He is out of bounds and the attempted reception is ruled incomplete. He must have two feet inbounds with the ball securley in his hands. Unlike a runner, who once again has full posession of the football, may leave the field of play and cross the goal line out of bounds and score a touchdown, so long as no part of his body or football touches the ground.

TEXANRED
03-23-2006, 01:02 PM
Unless you are Jabbar Gafney who losses posession of the football prior to breaking the plane of the goal line and fumbles it out of the endzone. Then that is a touchback for the other team.

chuckm
03-23-2006, 01:12 PM
It just isn't common practice for a team to defer in the pros.


because if you defer, the other team will receive in both halfs (unless they choose otherwise, which isn't likely) ...

Speedy
03-23-2006, 08:55 PM
And with regards to OT, I think they should let each team have the ball at least once, out of fairness. One coin toss should not have that much importance in a football game.It's really not as unfair as you think it is. It was just a couple of years ago I did some research on it and I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was the team winning the toss in OT won something like 54% of the time. And IIRC a very high percentage of that, both teams had the ball.

I say keep the OT just the way it is. And if they ever change it, please do NOT make it like college. Their OT is a joke.

I agree about the other rules. Freaking leave it alone already. Might as well put a red shirt on the QB. I mean, this is still football, right?

OH, and no more playoff teams please. Nothing like a 7-9 team still playing on Wild Card Weekend.

mexican_texan
03-23-2006, 10:06 PM
Teams with good defenses usually defer so they can set the tone of the game from the start.
We know nothing of the sort.:ok: