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Tailgate
03-22-2006, 01:25 AM
Not sure if this has been posted before or if it belongs in the NFL section?


http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=46098



"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."


"A lot of times you went out there and before you even get into your routes, you could hear the crowd," said Gaffney. "You may get halfway into your route and (David Carr) was already sacked. It was frustrating."



"As soon as the season was over, I was putting the bug in their ear," said Sheppard, who was with Gaffney in Brazil when Gaffney signed his contract. "He knows he's better than what the stats show. When you're going through things like Houston was going through, they can't protect the quarterback for one and then when they do, he only has time to look at one receiver, it's hard for him to be productive. This is a better situation for him to shine and do his thing."

el toro
03-22-2006, 01:27 AM
Yeah, things sucked under Capers.

Wharton
03-22-2006, 01:34 AM
Some of the thing Gaffney said could be preceived as harsh. Sometimes the truth hurts.

I hope Gaffney finds what he is looking for, he is still one of my favorites.

:redtowel:

BWPaint
03-22-2006, 01:37 AM
yea, I remember words my dad told me

"those who want to blame others, are usually the ones that are average players"....

this proves my pops correct.......lets make excuses, not work harder

...typical response of the athelets produced today in our society...

Grid
03-22-2006, 01:39 AM
I read the highlighted parts.

1. The players were at each other's throats at the end of the season last year. It happens in bad years. Im sure Gaffney just had a sour taste in his mouth.. I wouldnt read too deeply into it.

2. I bet it was frustrating. It was frustrating to watch too.

3. He is in a better situation in Philly than he was here in Houston the last 3 seasons. But Ill bet ya dimes to donuts that in a couple years, we are gonna have a better offense than philly (maybe even this next season)

AustinJB
03-22-2006, 01:45 AM
yea, I remember words my dad told me

"those who want to blame others, are usually the ones that are average players"....

this proves my pops correct.......lets make excuses, not work harder

...typical response of the athelets produced today in our society...

I would agree about most athletes today....but I don't feel like Gaffney was like that.

I don't find anything that he said very hard to believe. Do you? It's all the truth. And I don't see how anyone could say that Gaffney didn't work hard. Everytime he had the chance, he played well. He has very reliable hands and played well as the #1 reciever when AJ was hurt. He was just tired of an offense and team that sucked....can't blame him.

It's too bad that he is leaving now that it all seems to be getting better w/ the new coaching staff, etc.

infantrycak
03-22-2006, 01:47 AM
yea, I remember words my dad told me

"those who want to blame others, are usually the ones that are average players"....

this proves my pops correct.......lets make excuses, not work harder

...typical response of the athelets produced today in our society...

Yeah, because we as fans can piss and moan and pick apart every part of the team but the actual players have no right to even give a factually correct account of how things were--what a loser he is.

Texas
03-22-2006, 02:21 AM
Should be a eye opener for us. However the eagles are filthy rich!

el toro
03-22-2006, 02:25 AM
That article shows that the Texans have already pulled off the most significant and most needed move of the offseason with the coaching change. Free agency isn't over, the draft is a month away, and already peeps want to throw the new staff under the bus. If this was Detroit, I could understand.

HJam72
03-22-2006, 02:41 AM
I think his comments are 100% truth, even if he did enjoy saying it a little. Regardless of whether Carr is worth his salt, he has never been protected, except against defenses with no pass rush at all (like in practice, lol).

Carr Bombed
03-22-2006, 07:18 AM
I have no problem with what he said, it was 100% the truth

SESupergenius
03-22-2006, 07:52 AM
I go along with everything he said, Carr just didn't have the time and this offense never came together. Add to that that we ran it way too much and were predictable. We just didn't have an offensive line that could shove it down your throat and burn you if you played the run. And we still don't

thunderkyss
03-22-2006, 08:15 AM
yea, I remember words my dad told me

"those who want to blame others, are usually the ones that are average players"....

this proves my pops correct.......lets make excuses, not work harder

...typical response of the athelets produced today in our society...


I don't understand this..... R you saying Gaffney should have ran faster?? You do understand he is saying the same thing everyone else in America(except maybe the Texans FO) is saying.......... David didn't have a chance to throw the ball, and when he did they didn't have time to run their routes..

I don't understand what the Texans want out of a #2, if Gaffney doesn't fit the mold... Despite the limitations he had to work with, his numbers are almost identicle to the #1 rated reciever in FA(well, before T.O. got in the race). Now we've got an obscure WR, and trying to get another coming off a major injury.............. I'm not following that.

Coach C.
03-22-2006, 08:29 AM
Gaff is a class guy, and it was a sad thing to see him go, because he would have flourished in Kubiaks offense. Gaffney is the same style player as TJ Housh in Cinci but faster and he just never got the chance to prove it. You realize that he and armstrong even though having bad stats and not tons of balls thrown their way were in the top of the NFL as far as catches for first downs. That is the job of the #2 you make the first downs and be the target over the middle and the #1 gets the touchdowns and credit for his big play ability. Sad to see him go, but I think some combination of Mathis, Armstrong, Rookie, Walter, and possibly Bush will get the job done opposite AJ.

CoachJim
03-22-2006, 08:37 AM
I guess he just really REALLY wanted to play with cousin Lito:homer:

nunusguy
03-22-2006, 08:39 AM
I go along with everything he said, Carr just didn't have the time and this offense never came together. Add to that that we ran it way too much and were predictable. We just didn't have an offensive line that could shove it down your throat and burn you if you played the run. And we still don't
I go along with your remarks SES. And Gaffs comments aren't in any way, shape, or form sour grapes as some, including the Chronicles article tiltle,
want to imply. Remarks like this from a former player just tend to validate McNairs decision to can Capers and bring in Kubiak.

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 08:46 AM
Jabar kept it professional as he did when he was here. Not being able to see him work in a real passing game stinks, but so is the business.

Blake
03-22-2006, 08:50 AM
Good luck Gaff. It was good having ya while it lasted. I dont think this program will be anything until at least next year. I feel there will still be alot of old habits that need to be broken, before our QB can run an effective offense.

chuckm
03-22-2006, 09:03 AM
Gaffney let Carr off easy. He should have said what he was really thinking. Carr is horrible and can't scan the field before he takes off for the sidelines. He runs even when there is no pressure because he is awful. That's what he was thinking.


I'm letting you off easy by only saying that I disagree with this post. What I'm thinking I'll leave to your imagination.

Blake
03-22-2006, 09:06 AM
Gaffney let Carr off easy. He should have said what he was really thinking. Carr is horrible and can't scan the field before he takes off for the sidelines. He runs even when there is no pressure because he is awful. That's what he was thinking.

Oh is it? Is that what his official statment was? This article actually lets you know that our QB had zero time to get rid of the ball. I mean Gaff says he was in the Middle of his route and could hear the crowd yell. Do other teams have plays where protection breaks down before the WR's finish their routes?

powerfuldragon
03-22-2006, 09:06 AM
Gaffney let Carr off easy. He should have said what he was really thinking. Carr is horrible and can't scan the field before he takes off for the sidelines. He runs even when there is no pressure because he is awful. That's what he was thinking.

Okay. We'll put you behind last years o-line, and send 6 chemically enhanced animals at you. What'll you do?

infantrycak
03-22-2006, 09:07 AM
I go along with your remarks SES. And Gaffs comments aren't in any way, shape, or form sour grapes as some, including the Chronicles article tiltle,
want to imply.

Agreed. Don't understand how Granato and Lance are spinning this as some sort of crack on Carr. Basically he said Carr never had time. Even the comment about only looking at one WR was tied to time.

dtran04
03-22-2006, 09:18 AM
Come on guys, its so obvious. Gaff thinks we should draft VY!

:sarcasm:

Vinny
03-22-2006, 09:21 AM
Gaff never went off on the line, never said bad things about the offense, & never dogged Carr while he was here although we had a garbage offense. Good luck to Gaffney. I bet he catches 75 passes or so for 1000 next year.

done88
03-22-2006, 09:23 AM
We all know the Texans were bad he just has a national stage to voice his opinion. Hopefully they get things turned around.

Frills
03-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Looks like he forgot he's Jabar Gaffney

With AJ out, he was the #1 WR...that should tell you how bad the coaching staff was. Never gave Mathis any playing time, forgot about Armstrong, and had no real idea what an NFL offense was suppposed to look like.

He's a #2-3 WR on every other team.

Vinny
03-22-2006, 09:31 AM
Looks like he forgot he's Jabar Gaffney

With AJ out, he was the #1 WR...
And he would catch 9 passes as the first option instead of getting lost in the shuffle. He wasn't the problem here.

TEXANS84
03-22-2006, 09:32 AM
I guarantee you that Gaffney is going to have a breakout year. Too bad he couldn't do it in Houston, but I will never be mad at him that he left.

Runner
03-22-2006, 09:36 AM
I'd like to see some of our former players do well. I think Gaffney will have a solid year, and I also think Milford Brown may surprise some people now that he is playing in a power blocking scheme. It would be more evidence that we've had some decent talent.

Mycco
03-22-2006, 10:25 AM
I'd like to see some of our former players do well. I think Gaffney will have a solid year, and I also think Milford Brown may surprise some people now that he is playing in a power blocking scheme. It would be more evidence that we've had some decent talent.


We've had very decent talent come thru here, but we either don't know how to utilize and develop the talent or we let them go via free agency.

TheOgre
03-22-2006, 10:33 AM
I never felt like Gaffney was a good fit here. I think he will be a good fit for the Eagles (my second favorite team).

el toro
03-22-2006, 10:37 AM
I don't see a slam on Carr by Gaffney in that article. The unsaid criticism falls on the line which basically goes back to the prior coaching staff.

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 11:00 AM
After reading that do you guys see what it was like for Carr and the WR for 4 years. Basically it was borderline "hell", NOBODY believed in what was being tought to them.

Good luck to Gaff he is a good guy.

Boderline Hell and no one spoke up or did anythinig. We were and are void of leadership within the troops. Kubiak needs to get some leaders in here or develop them quickly.

BradK10
03-22-2006, 11:07 AM
I agree with Vinny here, that's everyone is making something out of nothing. Sometime fellas, the truth hurts. I hope he does well in Philly, and I think he will (all though if your name isnt TO, that seems to be the place WRs go to die).

Double Barrel
03-22-2006, 11:17 AM
Gaff didn't say anything that hasn't been dicussed on these forums for the past several months a million times over.

He just said what everyone already knew, nothing more, nothing less.

I wish him the best in Philly - especially the two games against the 'pokes.

thunderkyss
03-22-2006, 11:24 AM
Okay. We'll put you behind last years o-line, and send 6 chemically enhanced animals at you. What'll you do?

I may not look too great the first year(78 sacks, maybe more) but I promise you by that fourth year, I'll be markedly improved at getting out of harms way... There might not be anymore completions, or touchdowns, but there definitely won't be as many sacks either.


"let's see..... I've been in this situation before... This guy on my right is going to zoom right past him..... I better not be standing over there, but If I go over there, that guy will be waiting for me, my RB is here, but he usually isn't much help........ so, I'll make a bee line to that side, set up, and try to throw over the middle....

ahem.... ahem... (makes eye contact with Gaffney).... moves head towards middle of field in obvious motion...

he doesn't get it.

ahem.... ahem.... (does it all over again)

he still doesn't get it....

ahem... ahem...(vigorously motions head to middle of field) Gaffney acknowledges the head motion... I acknowledge his acknowledgement..


Blue 31..... Blue 31 is coming on a blitz, someone pick him up please.....

Blue 31.... Blue 31 you moron, not 13... Blue 31....


(whistle... whistle... whistle........) somebody throws a yellow bean bag & hits me in the eye.....


Delay of Game.... number 8-1/2.... 5 yard penalty....




:yahoo:

chuckm
03-22-2006, 11:30 AM
I may not look too great the first year(78 sacks, maybe more) but I promise you by that fourth year, I'll be markedly improved at getting out of harms way... There might not be anymore completions, or touchdowns, but there definitely won't be as many sacks either.


"let's see..... I've been in this situation before... This guy on my right is going to zoom right past him..... I better not be standing over there, but If I go over there, that guy will be waiting for me, my RB is here, but he usually isn't much help........ so, I'll make a bee line to that side, set up, and try to throw over the middle....

ahem.... ahem... (makes eye contact with Gaffney).... moves head towards middle of field in obvious motion...

he doesn't get it.

ahem.... ahem.... (does it all over again)

he still doesn't get it....

ahem... ahem...(vigorously motions head to middle of field) Gaffney acknowledges the head motion... I acknowledge his acknowledgement..


Blue 31..... Blue 31 is coming on a blitz, someone pick him up please.....

Blue 31.... Blue 31 you moron, not 13... Blue 31....


(whistle... whistle... whistle........) somebody throws a yellow bean bag & hits me in the eye.....


Delay of Game.... number 8-1/2.... 5 yard penalty....




:yahoo:


The hate is swelling in you now ... Darth Sidious

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 11:36 AM
How do you know knowbody spoke up.

Guess you did not here about the 6 hour meeting Carr had with Capers before the last year, were he told him everything we needed. And none of it got done. Probably missed that one right.

If you want a leader you can pick pieces of him off of Reliants field.

I guess the leader your looking for is a big mouth cocky guy and goes and drinks beer with his teamates. If your looking for that out of our QB you aint getting it.

Carr leads by example on and off the field, he is not a raw raw guy sorry.
Trust me as soon as we start winning he be the "leader" again.:rolleyes:

Anyone can call a meeting and anyone can claim to be a leader. But leaders are ones that have coattails that others want to attach themselves to. I did not mention Carr and I could care less if leadership came from our QB or not. We obviously do not pay Carr to be a leader in my opinion. He may be a great role model on and off the field in the spirit of competition, but I do not see anyone lining up to want to play with the cat other than alums of the Fresno State Football Fantasy Camp on this board.

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 11:50 AM
As I said we start winning and we can pick a leader. If it makes you feel better.

Nothing like building a foundation and then handing it off to someone who may have not deserved it. Asinine.

Tale Gator
03-22-2006, 11:53 AM
Your definition of a leader is getting smaller and smaller.

How about this for a definition -- someone who is willing and able to lead. :)

chuckm
03-22-2006, 11:53 AM
Nothing like building a foundation and then handing it off to someone who may have not deserved it. Asinine.



So much hate, so little time.

:rolleyes:

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 11:56 AM
:rolleyes:

Well done it must be molting season for you. When you get your new skin go ahead and provide a take. Otherwise go get your shine box.

chuckm
03-22-2006, 11:59 AM
Well done it must be molting season for you. When you get your new skin go ahead and provide a take. Otherwise go get your shine box.

I'll post my take as soon as I finish my cost analysis study of the Gaffney situation ....

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 12:00 PM
I'll post my take as soon as I finish my cost analysis study of the Gaffney situation ....

Appreciate you setting some expectations. I look forward to your deliverables.

HARRYJ
03-22-2006, 12:05 PM
As a complete and total Eagles fan, who was very happy that we picked up Gaffney, I am not at all pleased with this story. I believe he could have made his point by just saying something like: We had some tough times in Houston, I will miss the fans and the friends that I made during my time there. Im look forward to playing for the Eagles and I hope to have some better times playing the sport I love.

Naming names does not put him on my classy list.:twocents:

rafterticket
03-22-2006, 12:49 PM
As a complete and total Eagles fan, who was very happy that we picked up Gaffney, I am not at all pleased with this story. I believe he could have made his point by just saying something like: We had some tough times in Houston, I will miss the fans and the friends that I made during my time there. Im look forward to playing for the Eagles and I hope to have some better times playing the sport I love.

Naming names does not put him on my classy list.:twocents:

Well said.

Gaffney does not have much room to try and separate himself from the team. The best thing he could do is say nothing. His lasting impression with me, and the symbol of the entire season was in the first game. Gaffney is wide open, not even looking for the ball and DC hits him square in the shoulder. Totally mindless football, from the sidelines to both sides of the ball.

As an Eagles fan, you guys probably can't wait to see how much damage TO can do the Cowboys. Anyway, hope your guys do better next year.

OzzO
03-22-2006, 12:50 PM
A few other things noted in the chronic (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3739841.html) that he did put a few zingers on, but again - nothing really we already haven't noted.

"It'll make a world of difference," he said. "Carr was thrown in as a rookie and was sacked a bunch of times. He was kind of gun-shy back there, trying to get rid of the ball quickly, and a lot of times that didn't even work. Being here, with a proven Pro Bowl quarterback, a good line and a great offensive system with great players everywhere will make a world of a difference."

Gaffney, who averaged only 8.9 yards per catch last season, brought up the offensive line when trying to pinpoint the Texans' problems last season.

"That was real tough," he said. "If you were on the road, a lot of times, before you even got into your routes, you heard the crowd cheering because they got another sack. Or, if we were at home, they (fans) would start to boo. It got frustrating."

Gaffney, who signed a one-year contract, described the difficulty of playing for the Texans.

"It was real tough," he said. "It was a new experience for me. I had never been on a losing team, never been on an expansion team. I had a lot thrown at me at once, and it's helped me a lot. I know that side and how that feels. I never want to feel like that again."

The Texans, who will play Philadelphia this season, said they would have no response to Gaffney's comments....

But I don't think he meant it in a "ripping" way as the newspaper titled it, just mearly an opinion and observation. Good luck to him with the Eagles, seems like he'll be battling for #2 as before.

aj.
03-22-2006, 12:54 PM
The comments about the facilities and the "real organization" are a bit puzzling but everything else seems to fall in the category of truth hurts. I liked Jabar and I wish him well, just not against us.

If I had the chance, I'd have him elaborate on what he meant by the real orgainization comment, whether he's simply talking about x's and o's or some of the business and personnel decisions.

keyfro
03-22-2006, 01:04 PM
i don't really care what gaffney said...bottom line is he wanted to play ball with his cousin again...after going through a 2-14 season where at the beginning of the season he was placed behind bradford i'm sure he's not one of caper's biggest supporters...or carr's for that matter...i'm sure he'll do great in phili and leave someone on this board to start a why we didn't keep him thread by week 6...which will last till week 8 with one of the admin. putting a lock on it due to it's overall pointlessness...i mean he's not a texan anymore...he can say what he wants to say...i applaud him for not saying anything negative about the team while he was here...hope him and mcnabb get along better than t.o. and mcnabb

Tale Gator
03-22-2006, 01:20 PM
I look forward to your deliverables.

I'll have pepperoni with extra cheese on mine. thanks.

Tale Gator
03-22-2006, 01:29 PM
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
___________

Isn't Gaffney right on the money with this? I mean there was a very good reason we cleaned house and brought in Kubiak. Gaffney just nailed it -- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.

Vinny
03-22-2006, 01:40 PM
-- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.I see this as Gaffney realizing that the Texans don't have anything that the other mega-billion dollars organizations don't already have…..as in, whew - I was always told how above average it was in Houston - glad to see it’s pretty much the same.

Texans_Chick
03-22-2006, 01:46 PM
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
___________

Isn't Gaffney right on the money with this? I mean there was a very good reason we cleaned house and brought in Kubiak. Gaffney just nailed it -- except I don't get the 'top of the line facility' part though - as I imagine Reliant and the training areas are at the very least above average.


I don't know what he is talking about with the facilities (unless perhaps he was referring to the infamous Pittsburgh game. If people in their seats were having a difficult time of it, I can't imagine it being terribly fun getting whooped in the dead heat with no breeze down on the field).

As for the close knit team part, that is a growing pains thing and hard to avoid. If you get coaches from all over the place and players from all over the place, it is really hard to grow a team if most everyone is The New Guy and your team has little tradition. Yeah, I know people are sick of the expansion label, but 5 years is nothing in this league--they got rats at Texas Stadium older than our franchise.

Getting a close knit team is more than just taking the team to see a movie. It takes time, and trust and a sense of The Way The Team Does Things. Organizations that have been around a while just do things in their team's way--organizations like ours are still trying to find their way some--roof policies, etc.

Double Barrel
03-22-2006, 01:59 PM
I see this as Gaffney realizing that the Texans don't have anything that the other mega-billion dollars organizations don't already haveÖ..as in, whew - I was always told how above average it was in Houston - glad to see itís pretty much the same.

No doubt. With the Eagles getting a new facility, I have little doubt that it is as nice (or nicer) than the Reliant digs.

I didn't think anything of his comment with regards to the facilities. We know what we have is great, but not necessarily unique.

HARRYJ
03-22-2006, 03:16 PM
The Eagles built a state of the art training facility and head office a couple of years ago that is called the Nova Care Building. I have no way of knowing if that is what Gaffney is talking about but I find it hard to say our beautiful open Lincoln Financial Stadium is any nicer then your retractable roofed, climate controlled statium.:homer:

SESupergenius
03-22-2006, 03:18 PM
And he would catch 9 passes as the first option instead of getting lost in the shuffle. He wasn't the problem here.I don't think he was part of the solution either. He caught 4 balls the next week and 5 after that, but nothing earth shattering because when he was named the starting WR he only had 1 td in a 3 game span. His yards per catch were pretty bad. Blame whomever, but he does share in the reason we went 2-14.

hollywood_texan
03-22-2006, 03:19 PM
If Gaffney had those feelings, what is Andre Johnson thinking? I am sure those two talked around the water cooler.

Kubiak better figure that one out or he might be without a #1 WR in a year or so.

Don't tell me they can franchise him, that is a last ditch effort and horrbile planning for guy that wants to play somewhere else.

Maybe AJ totally believes in the organization and it is not an issue, but Kubiak better figure it out and not leave it to chance.

HARRYJ
03-22-2006, 03:56 PM
I do have to follow up on my post. I had only read this story at first but now I have seen the press conference that this came from. If you could hear the tone of his voice you, like I do now, would know that he was not ripping on Houston. This is just another case of a media hack trying to stir up a story from nothing.:brickwall

SheTexan
03-22-2006, 04:56 PM
HARRYJ!!!! Send me your new e-mail!! I've been trying to check up on you for months!! Been worried about you!!

Sorry mods!! Just trying to reach our old Eagle/Texan fan!!

southtexan
03-22-2006, 05:19 PM
I wouldn't call Jabar Gaffney a loser....just classless.

Frills
03-22-2006, 05:22 PM
Daunta's last words to Gaffney

"How hard is it to see out your earhole?"

Result: Texans 24....A Professional Franchise 9

SESupergenius
03-22-2006, 06:09 PM
I wouldn't call Jabar Gaffney a loser....just classless.
REally? How? I don't think he said anything to warrant "classless". Most of the guys have been all class (bar P Buc).

Dunta_23
03-22-2006, 06:20 PM
From what he was quoted as saying, I didnt hear anything classless about it...he said that he and the other WR's didnt even have time to get into the route and they could hear the crowd and hed know that David would be down...How is that classless....he is a WR, not an O-Lineman...For all we know he was never offered a contract from Houston and if he was he has all the rights in the world to go and play for whoever he wants...and playing on a Super Bowl team from 2 years ago and the chance to play with a cousin is a once in a lifetime offer for him so I wish him all the luck in the world in Philly(unless they are playing the Texans)...but to call him classless is more like being a sore loser

Bobo
03-22-2006, 07:13 PM
That article shows that the Texans have already pulled off the most significant and most needed move of the offseason with the coaching change. Free agency isn't over, the draft is a month away, and already peeps want to throw the new staff under the bus. If this was Detroit, I could understand.

The most significant and most needed move certainly was NOT the coaching change. It would be a better line and defense. Unfortunately, Kubiak has yet to really deal with that situation and walks around talking like he knows all the answers when he hasn't been head coach during an NFL game yet.

Wolf
03-22-2006, 07:33 PM
How do you know knowbody spoke up.

Guess you did not here about the 6 hour meeting Carr had with Capers before the last year, were he told him everything we needed. And none of it got done. Probably missed that one right.

If you want a leader you can pick pieces of him off of Reliants field.

I guess the leader your looking for is a big mouth cocky guy and goes and drinks beer with his teamates. If your looking for that out of our QB you aint getting it.

Carr leads by example on and off the field, he is not a raw raw guy sorry.
Trust me as soon as we start winning he be the "leader" again.:rolleyes:

I know not many spoke up because did you see anyone on offense get deactivated ?

:spy:

Wolf
03-22-2006, 07:35 PM
Gaffney IMO spoke the truth... and that is what it was. nothing classless about it . we struggled as a team and if he is accused or thought of classless then McNair should be thought of as classless for firing Capers and much of the whole staff.

Vinny
03-22-2006, 09:00 PM
I don't think he was part of the solution either. He caught 4 balls the next week and 5 after that, but nothing earth shattering because when he was named the starting WR he only had 1 td in a 3 game span. and that comes out to nearly 100 catches a year (18 catches in 3 games). Also, you say he only had one td but Andre Johnson had 2 TD's the entire year (best year has been 6), and that's a bit longer than a 3 game span. I think that we are looking at the wrong people in the QB-WR equation when we point to the failure in this offense.

HARRYJ
03-22-2006, 09:01 PM
HARRYJ!!!! Send me your new e-mail!! I've been trying to check up on you for months!! Been worried about you!!

Sorry mods!! Just trying to reach our old Eagle/Texan fan!!

Maybe Vinny still remembers me. I sent you an e-mail earlier today. I smell football in the air!:redtowel:

Vinny
03-22-2006, 09:02 PM
I can't forget that face Harry.

Tulip
03-22-2006, 10:09 PM
Thanks for saying something, Gaffney. Our players (current and former) are too quiet.

I hope Gaffney has better success in the future than he did here. Given our track record with the FAs we let slip away - it wouldn't be surprising if he does.

coachdent
03-22-2006, 10:46 PM
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
:ok:

Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!

big homey
03-22-2006, 11:02 PM
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
:ok:

Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!
Well what do you expect, for him to just get signed and start immediately ripping on the team/city/fans? It's protocol for an athlete to praise his new team because they want to be accepted into the organization.

Vinny
03-22-2006, 11:41 PM
i expect more. that will not happen when a QB like Vince Young is at the helm. they won't say things like this.

i pray the Texans step up.Bamboo...you need to stay on topic please. Not every thread is a VY thread.

Fredo was off-topic all the time and he got a boat ride.

coachdent
03-23-2006, 10:45 AM
Well what do you expect, for him to just get signed and start immediately ripping on the team/city/fans? It's protocol for an athlete to praise his new team because they want to be accepted into the organization.

Obviously I don't think anyone is going to start ripping on his new city. But Jabar was fairly well liked in Houston despite less than sterling production. I would have expected him to carry himself a little higher and not speak so critically of the Houston locker room. It is hypocritical to compare the Eagles locker room to the Texans after having just signed on the dotted line. He looks at the years he was in Houston and compares them to the afternoon he had in the locker room of the Eagles in March? That's a bit overboard.

My point was that there is a thing called class and you don't take shots at your former employer if you are a clasy guy. It was gratuitous and not needed. My point to Jabar is that he has not seen the dark side of Philly. When he does, he will be changing his tune quite quickly. Perhaps in 2007 will be picking him up as free agent when Philly does not offer him another deal.

thegr8fan
03-23-2006, 11:00 AM
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/ after viewing this interview tape, titled 'one on one with Jabar Gaffney', I have to say this is cheap jounalism at its finest form of slime. The interview left it wide open for Gaffney to slam the Texans and Gaffney's reply was "I ain't going to bust on teammates". Watch it yourself or take the short version and fast forward it to the time of about 2:40 and just listen. Gaffney showed class in taking the wide open opportunity in direct questioning by the interviewer and airing out what exactly he was frustrated at with the Texans. He didn't.

But hey, Sensationalism sells right? Who cares if it is truthfull or just a vicious slant by a journalist, right?

Lucky
03-23-2006, 11:10 AM
Gr8 find, thegr8fan. Gaffney has class and I hope he does well. Jabar's previous comments were overblown.

HARRYJ
03-23-2006, 11:20 AM
"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."
:ok:

Apparently, Jabar just got to Philadelphia. Because he is living the life of the honeymoon. Philadelphia close knit? You think the folks in Houston are tough on David Carr? This city booed Donovan McNabb on the day of the draft (depite the fact that he is the only player picked in the top five picks who is still with the same team). The entire team bailed on McNabb for losing it in the huddle, for not standing up to T.O. They whine constantly about the playcalling.

The fans? Please. Let's see what Jabar says when he is locked down at the line of scrimmage in a preseason game and he gets booed.

The organization? $22 million under the cap, cut the premier wide receiver in the NFL for sniping at coaches and management. Despite that, Jabar gets a one year, getting acquainted deal and he lauds the franchise? He is a disposable body for the Eagles this year. It is a wait and see attitude for them and very low risk.

I am not going to rip Jabar and I don't mean to. But his comments about painting this rosey picture of bliss in the City of Brotherly Love is a bit overdone. I live outside this city... believe me! It ain't Shangra La!

You're barking up the wrong tree. I am nothing like your representation and I will be the first to admit that the fans of the Philadelphia Eagles are the most passionate fans in the NFL. Never believe that the booing you hear has anything to do with a lack of loyalty to OUR Eagles. You might live outside this city but you should look around and see what's going on.:ok:

HARRYJ
03-23-2006, 11:22 AM
Hey gr8!:redtowel:

HARRYJ
03-23-2006, 11:25 AM
Bamboo...you need to stay on topic please. Not every thread is a VY thread.

Fredo was off-topic all the time and he got a boat ride.

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Double Barrel
03-23-2006, 12:03 PM
Good find, thegr8fan! :thumbup

It definitely puts this whole thing in perspective. I didn't read anything into his comments, and my instincts were right to just take it in stride. Gaff had no desire to fling mud, and I respect him for it. Hope he has a great career in Philly, and has his best games against the Cowpokes.

southtexan
03-23-2006, 12:41 PM
REally? How? I don't think he said anything to warrant "classless". Most of the guys have been all class (bar P Buc).
If you don't have anything good to say, it's best not to say anything.

Big B Texan Fan
03-23-2006, 12:52 PM
We're always wanting these guys to avoid the cliches' but when they speak their minds we ripp 'em.
Can't have it both ways.

The guy's excited, probably got a lil' more $$, and he's reunited with a family member, and he's with a team that has been to the playoffs/Conference Champioship/Super Bowl several times in the past 5 years. I'd/you'd probably say something a little off cuff too.

coachdent
03-23-2006, 01:47 PM
You're barking up the wrong tree. I am nothing like your representation and I will be the first to admit that the fans of the Philadelphia Eagles are the most passionate fans in the NFL. Never believe that the booing you hear has anything to do with a lack of loyalty to OUR Eagles. You might live outside this city but you should look around and see what's going on.:ok:


My thread has never been about disparaging Gaffney. My beef is the analogy that Jabar made between Philly and Houston. I was just pointing out that he needs to exercise a bit of caution into what he is getting into.

I see what's going on in Philadelphia quite well. The "loyalty" you speak of manifests itself in less savory forms of expression that some... many... might view as being slightly irreverant, slightly over-the-top, slightly prone to overexaggerate.

I hope they treat Jabar well. I hope he does well. I know how Philly treats those who do not live up to expectations. Candy coat it any way you wish, Philly is a reactionary town that often reacts and overeacts to this that and the other thing!

aj.
03-23-2006, 02:02 PM
Obviously Gaffney's quotes in question didn't come from the interview in the Eagles media vault. Journalists may make up stories but they can't make up such specific quotes and get away with it. What Jabar said about facilites, real organization, his frustraton, etc., were very specific quotes attributed to him, (and again, obviously from a different interview) and are included in another part of the Eagles website:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eaglesQuotesDetail.jsp?id=46095

thunderkyss
03-23-2006, 02:46 PM
Obviously Gaffney's quotes in question didn't come from the interview in the Eagles media vault. Journalists may make up stories but they can't make up such specific quotes and get away with it. What Jabar said about facilites, real organization, his frustraton, etc., were very specific quotes attributed to him, (and again, obviously from a different interview) and are included in another part of the Eagles website:

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eaglesQuotesDetail.jsp?id=46095

I've not seen a finer facility than reliant...... I guess it's subjective. I'm not holding that against him. We all know our organization was a joke.... Coaching, I think we can all agree on, and CC & company has his little "fan" section.... so... idon't see what the big deal is.

SESupergenius
03-23-2006, 03:35 PM
and that comes out to nearly 100 catches a year (18 catches in 3 games). Also, you say he only had one td but Andre Johnson had 2 TD's the entire year (best year has been 6), and that's a bit longer than a 3 game span. I think that we are looking at the wrong people in the QB-WR equation when we point to the failure in this offense.
You can add yards per catch to those less than par numbers as well. You may be right that maybe Gaffney is not the one to turn to for fault, I fault everyone on this offense however. Not just last season, but seasons before that, Gaffney never made me go "oooooh" on too many particular plays. He was more of a technique guy that when he had to create plays just couldn't do it.

PokerStar
03-23-2006, 03:50 PM
Gaffney was a perfect number 2 guy. He was solid, went over the middle, could work deep enough, and get you first downs. He was a guy that if you threw at him 80 times a year he is likely to have 65-70 catches. Vinny is right look for Gaff all things considered to have a big year and be a favorite target of McNabb.

the wonger need food
03-23-2006, 06:15 PM
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-03222006-630200.html

The terms of Gaffney's deal have been released. One year at $900,000.

SESupergenius
03-23-2006, 06:18 PM
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-03222006-630200.html

The terms of Gaffney's deal have been released. One year at $900,000.
He signed for squat. We must really not think a lot of him to get him go for that. I wonder if the Texans gave him a lesser offer or Gaffney gave them a chance to match or better it.

Ibar_Harry
03-23-2006, 06:21 PM
He signed for squat. We must really not think a lot of him to get him go for that. I wonder if the Texans gave him a lesser offer or Gaffney gave them a chance to match or better it.

More like he was so feedup with the Texans and wanted to play for Philly. There was some indication of that. Money may not have been the issue within reason.

Kaiser Toro
03-23-2006, 06:21 PM
Gaffney left? What did he have to say about his experience with the Texans?:deadhorse

That happens to be the first time I had to bring the horse out.

thunderkyss
03-23-2006, 07:24 PM
If Gaffney had the same numbers(especially those first downs) on a different team, a team with a winning record, He'd have been rated as high as Givens.. I can't believe he went for less than $1mill, and I can't believe he took less than $1mil for only one year........ he must have really wanted to get out of Houston.

I can understand some of the attitudes of some fans who are less than thrilled with how the FO has a dressed the OL, I wouldn't think it was too far of a stretch, if Gaff felt the same way.

coachdent
03-23-2006, 07:41 PM
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/multimedia/ after viewing this interview tape, titled 'one on one with Jabar Gaffney', I have to say this is cheap jounalism at its finest form of slime. The interview left it wide open for Gaffney to slam the Texans and Gaffney's reply was "I ain't going to bust on teammates". Watch it yourself or take the short version and fast forward it to the time of about 2:40 and just listen. Gaffney showed class in taking the wide open opportunity in direct questioning by the interviewer and airing out what exactly he was frustrated at with the Texans. He didn't.

But hey, Sensationalism sells right? Who cares if it is truthfull or just a vicious slant by a journalist, right?

gr8fan:

I have listened to the interview that you referenced. That is not the interview I was referring to. You are correct that Jabar is right on and fine in the interview. Nothing blown out of proportion and the interviewer wasn't sensationalizing anything... No problem.

This is the quote I was referring to:

"It was totally different from Houston," said Gaffney during his introductory press conference Tuesday. "Just seeing the guys, how close knit they were and everything with the facility is top of the line. It's totally different. It's a real organization and I'm happy to be a part of it."


I was merely trying to point out that the idea of the Eagles being "close knit" is a bit of a stretch. I was hastening a word of caution to Jabar to be careful about what you think to be the case. I would also say that there aren't too many close knit 2-14 teams anywhere in the country! So he was really comparing apples and oranges. That's all. Didn't wish ill on him. Don't want him burned at the stake. Just poiting out a bit of an exaggeration on his part that he may have jumped the gun on. Ok? Go Texans!:redtowel:

HARRYJ
03-23-2006, 07:53 PM
My thread has never been about disparaging Gaffney. My beef is the analogy that Jabar made between Philly and Houston. I was just pointing out that he needs to exercise a bit of caution into what he is getting into.

I see what's going on in Philadelphia quite well. The "loyalty" you speak of manifests itself in less savory forms of expression that some... many... might view as being slightly irreverant, slightly over-the-top, slightly prone to overexaggerate.

I hope they treat Jabar well. I hope he does well. I know how Philly treats those who do not live up to expectations. Candy coat it any way you wish, Philly is a reactionary town that often reacts and overeacts to this that and the other thing!

OK, joker, you win, just keep cheering for the Texans, we don't need ya!:homer:

the wonger need food
03-23-2006, 08:08 PM
If Gaffney had the same numbers(especially those first downs) on a different team, a team with a winning record, He'd have been rated as high as Givens.. I can't believe he went for less than $1mill, and I can't believe he took less than $1mil for only one year........

Gaffney is another example of the organization's incompetence with regards to picking and developing talent. Givens was picked 220 spots after Gaffney in 2002 and now they're not even in the same class.

ClintonPortis26
03-23-2006, 08:29 PM
Lol, you guys should look up some quotes that a Linebacker named Antonio Pierce has said since hes left the Redskins....Its almost gotten to the point where I wanna beat the Giants just becuase of him than the actuall record or division win.

thegr8fan
03-23-2006, 08:31 PM
actually coachdent, my remarks were targeted more at John McLame and his choice to take Gaffney's remarks and view them in a pessimistic, negative inflection tone of voice. I am pretty sure McLame wasn't sitting there for Gaffney's interview that he quoted from. I read aj's link and I still don't see the negative slamming of Houston so much as I see Gaffney rah-rah-rah-ing the Eagles and his new team. In listening to a net recording of what appears to be a different interview and Gaffney's tone of voice, choice of words, during that interview, it makes it even harder to believe McLame's slant of Gaffney tearing apart Houston's team/organization.

and just some FYI, I have lived in Philly back in the early 90's for a short time. I still remember the Philly's making a run at the World Series and their closer pitcher Mitch Williams messing up and giving away a couple of games by not being to close them out and walking the winning runners on base. The local sports fanatics threatened the guy with a couple of broken legs for it, and those were the mild threats. :shocked I have no illusions of 'the city of brotherly love' passion for their sports teams and their equal passion for tearing a player apart :dangit: who flops in his choosen sport. On that point I fully understand your post and agree with it.

Carr Bombed
03-23-2006, 08:35 PM
Lol, you guys should look up some quotes that a Linebacker named Antonio Pierce has said since hes left the Redskins....Its almost gotten to the point where I wanna beat the Giants just becuase of him than the actuall record or division win.

I know, I can't believe this thread is 6 pages long, What gaffney said wasn't spiteful at all, he was just telling the truth.

Erratic Assassin
03-23-2006, 08:40 PM
David didn't have a chance to throw the ball, and when he did they didn't have time to run their routes..

It all starts with the line. The QB can't do his job without the line and neither can the receivers. You can run a sub 4.2 forty and it wouldn't do you any good because the QB is lying on his back before you get a chance to run your route.

HARRYJ
03-23-2006, 09:37 PM
actually coachdent, my remarks were targeted more at John McLame and his choice to take Gaffney's remarks and view them in a pessimistic, negative inflection tone of voice. I am pretty sure McLame wasn't sitting there for Gaffney's interview that he quoted from. I read aj's link and I still don't see the negative slamming of Houston so much as I see Gaffney rah-rah-rah-ing the Eagles and his new team. In listening to a net recording of what appears to be a different interview and Gaffney's tone of voice, choice of words, during that interview, it makes it even harder to believe McLame's slant of Gaffney tearing apart Houston's team/organization.

and just some FYI, I have lived in Philly back in the early 90's for a short time. I still remember the Philly's making a run at the World Series and their closer pitcher Mitch Williams messing up and giving away a couple of games by not being to close them out and walking the winning runners on base. The local sports fanatics threatened the guy with a couple of broken legs for it, and those were the mild threats. :shocked I have no illusions of 'the city of brotherly love' passion for their sports teams and their equal passion for tearing a player apart :dangit: who flops in his choosen sport. On that point I fully understand your post and agree with it.

I know people that know where you live.:boxing: