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rockabilly
03-20-2006, 12:00 AM
A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).

kbourda
03-20-2006, 01:23 AM
A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).

Yo no se, chico! It's a wait and see. But I can't really complain til I see the product on the field.

J-Storm
03-20-2006, 05:22 AM
I would like to have seen a big play made at maybe 1 big name in FA, like Bentley for instance. Even if we aren't going to get into a bidding war, at least make teams think we are doing more than waiting for the 1st day of the Draft to jus' ultimately go with the sexy pick of Reggie Bush...

Corrosion
03-20-2006, 05:38 AM
I only have one complaint so far .... They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL .... Until the line gets better the offense will struggle no matter who is calling the plays . If they address this prior to the start of the season Ill have little to complain about. :cool:

Grid
03-20-2006, 06:22 AM
They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL

Sherman

Grid
03-20-2006, 06:24 AM
btw..before anyone else says we havent done anything about the Oline and it still sucks.

Remember Hudson Houck? He is that guy that is now at Miami coaching the Oline..he was in San Diego and he took a terrible line full of rookies and made them one of the better lines in the league in one season.

Coaching matters.

TheChad
03-20-2006, 07:03 AM
Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half. That's one reason for Denver's huge success with no-name runners.

Not sure about Sherman, but the fact he was at one point a head coach does say something.

They should have been more active in free agency though. We needed Bently and we should be going for Jullian Peterson. Randle-El and Jurevicious wouldn't have been bad. Ramsey would have been a good backup.

All in all though... I mean we can't do much worse. So it's all an improvement.

mancunian
03-20-2006, 07:12 AM
A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).

I think they are doing ok. It would be good if they could pick up Ashworth, Flanagan, Burleson and Peterson. Oh and add in Putzier.

OzzO
03-20-2006, 08:11 AM
Cut some deadwood that wasn't up to the new staff's par, brought in some relatively unknowns to not break the bank early in the offseason (though that may appease some to have a recognizable name since we're "one player away"). Building up some competition / depth / replacements for the future and no major questionable moves.

So too early to go with "here we go again" to judge the product as a team, so I'll go with "good".

Joe Texan
03-20-2006, 08:15 AM
I only have one complaint so far .... They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL .... Until the line gets better the offense will struggle no matter who is calling the plays . If they address this prior to the start of the season Ill have little to complain about.

So when did you evaluate the game film, Are you so certian it is the line and not the Tight end or running backs or maybe David himself. I trust Gary knows a tad more about film evaluation than any of you "O-Line sucks" people. The coach is following his plan to almost a T and people still complain, You just can't please everyone now can you.

HJam72
03-20-2006, 08:15 AM
Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half.

Now, if we can just get our defenders to yank off some face-masks and go for QBs heads, we'll be ready. :redtowel:

TexanSam
03-20-2006, 10:26 AM
Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half. That's one reason for Denver's huge success with no-name runners.

Not sure about Sherman, but the fact he was at one point a head coach does say something.

They should have been more active in free agency though. We needed Bently and we should be going for Jullian Peterson. Randle-El and Jurevicious wouldn't have been bad. Ramsey would have been a good backup.

All in all though... I mean we can't do much worse. So it's all an improvement.

Well lets see, if we had Bentley, Peterson, Randle El, and Jurevicius we would probably be $20 million over the cap right now. Bentley was going for way more than what we could afford. We aren't one of the teams that was $25 million under the cap and could spend freely. Randle El, IMO, is no better than a #3 WR. Look at his numbers, the most catches he's had is 47 in his rookie year. If we get Ike Hilliard, his number are better than Jurevicius. Peterson would have been nice, but I don't want to greatly overspend for him, especially after a season when he was hurt. I do agree about Ramsey though, I would have liked him as a backup and I think he would have given Carr some competition.

PokerStar
03-20-2006, 10:30 AM
I am not sure about some of the signings mainly Rosefals and Weaver, but Jameel Cook is similar to the guy in Denver. He is a guy that can be a RB if desperate and is an athletic Fullback which Denver likes to use in the redzone. Walter is a nice 3 receiver and should be hopefully Jurevicius esque. Putz will be big for us and him and Weaver will be our top FA moves. I think we could have given 20M and got Rocky Bernard who is the same size as Weaver and gets more sacks, but hindsight is crystal clear. Either way hopefully Smith convinces Kubes to go Mario and they tell Weaver to gain 10-15lbs and move him inside.

thunderkyss
03-20-2006, 11:00 AM
I've got mixed feelings.... I'm a bit disappointed, that what I saw as our strengths, these coaches, thought were our weeknesses... the weeknesses I see, appear to be considered strengths...

For one, I like the 3-4.... & more than anything, I'd love to see Babin and Peek have one more stab at it..... along with our other guys, but sacking the QB is what gets me excited. So we go to the 4-3, and we pick up mister 7 sacks in 4 years..(I understand the 3-4 DE/DT concept)........ I am a firm believer, that if we had constant pressure on the QB last year, our D would have been 10Xs better.

Offensively, I thought our RBs and WRs were our strengths....... AJ, Armstrong, Mathis, and Gaffney.....DD, Wells, Morency..... If David Carr gets better, there is no way you can not think those WRs wouldn't improve their game. & they are going to be getting new coaches... just like David will.
DD and Morency I think are going to explode behind Kubes line. Wells will also, I think he was a bit of a late bloomer....... definitely worth keeping around.

I'm happy, that Kubes didn't (or rather, has yet to) scrap the OL.... without a doubt, that position is more about consistency, than any other. Playing with the same guy next to you, playing with the same QB behind you. If you go so far as to replace more than half of the line, you're rebuilding.... doesn't matter, if they are FAs, or rookies..... you're starting from scratch.

I'm glad Tony Banks is gone... I can't stand a career backup... If a guy ends up being a career backup, I have nothing against him. But for someone to say.... I'm not interested in the Starter job...... that's insane to me. Each and every player on our team has to want to be the man.... they should all want the opportunity to get on the field, and show the league what they can do. If this team doesn't believe they should be the man, they should be hoping someone watching does. I don't think anyone should be wanting Carr to get hurt, but I want my backup to think he is starter material....

Overall, I'm happy that the FO is active in FA...... I can't wait fot the Draft, I can't wait for the season.

Mattheus_Rex
03-20-2006, 11:02 AM
Good now that someone decided that 4-3 is the way to go.

TexanSam
03-20-2006, 11:04 AM
I'm glad Tony Banks is gone... I can't stand a career backup... If a guy ends up being a career backup, I have nothing against him. But for someone to say.... I'm not interested in the Starter job...... that's insane to me. Each and every player on our team has to want to be the man.... they should all want the opportunity to get on the field, and show the league what they can do. If this team doesn't believe they should be the man, they should be hoping someone watching does. I don't think anyone should be wanting Carr to get hurt, but I want my backup to think he is starter material....



Actually, he was looking to be a starter after the end of the 2004 season. He was a free agent and he said that he wanted to be a starter. He didn't get any offers so he resigned with the Texans. It's not that he wants to be a backup for his whole career, it's just that he's not good enough to be a starter. Kind of like Jason Garrett was for the Cowboys.

TheChad
03-20-2006, 11:09 AM
Some people also just like to be career holders. Just look at Koy Detmer. He was second string and he still didn't play when McNabb got injured.

Well lets see, if we had Bentley, Peterson, Randle El, and Jurevicius we would probably be $20 million over the cap right now. Bentley was going for way more than what we could afford. We aren't one of the teams that was $25 million under the cap and could spend freely. Randle El, IMO, is no better than a #3 WR. Look at his numbers, the most catches he's had is 47 in his rookie year. If we get Ike Hilliard, his number are better than Jurevicius. Peterson would have been nice, but I don't want to greatly overspend for him, especially after a season when he was hurt. I do agree about Ramsey though, I would have liked him as a backup and I think he would have given Carr some competition.

Well yea but I thought we'd at least shoot for one of them.

Ibar_Harry
03-20-2006, 11:14 AM
You need a very good or excellent vote item. Actually, I think they have done a very good to excellent job so far. I'm probably one of the few, but so far everything is logical and has been explained reasonably well. When the mix all comes together we will make a final assessment. Right now, I'm very happy.....

jerek
03-20-2006, 11:16 AM
I went ahead and voted good even though I am not thrilled with the FA acquisitions as of time of this writing. IMO the single greatest problem with this team has already been fixed, for the substantial better: Kubiak and Co. have replaced Capers and the Stooges.

September can't come fast enough.

Corrosion
03-20-2006, 11:47 AM
Sherman


btw..before anyone else says we havent done anything about the Oline and it still sucks.

Remember Hudson Houck? He is that guy that is now at Miami coaching the Oline..he was in San Diego and he took a terrible line full of rookies and made them one of the better lines in the league in one season.

Coaching matters.


So when did you evaluate the game film, Are you so certian it is the line and not the Tight end or running backs or maybe David himself. I trust Gary knows a tad more about film evaluation than any of you "O-Line sucks" people. The coach is following his plan to almost a T and people still complain, You just can't please everyone now can you.

Coaching does matter .... but the player has to bring something to the table as well .... 208 sacks over 4 seasons under various coaches says something is wrong .

Yes there are other things that contribute to the sack total .... Carr's lack of pocket presence and failure to throw the ball away before taking a sack or running out of bounds .... DD isnt very good at picking up blitzing LB's .... TE's who arent very good blockers .

But when a team uses primarily Three and Five step drops , short curls and slant patterns and still gives up 68 sacks .... There is enough blame to go around.

Milford Brown and Fred Weary as your starting Edit Guards last season was a disaster ..... McKinney getting manhandled and pushed back in the pocket wasnt pretty either . Pitts had a decent second half of the season after the failed Victor Riley experiment ..... Wade couldnt stay on the field which forced Wiegart from RG to RT .... Hurting two positions.


For those of you saying there is nothing wrong ....Dont go calling us "Chicken Little " or "Doom and Gloom" .... Its reality .... the team was 2-14 ....The offense and Defense were both statisticly DEAD LAST for the past season .... Some of the problems from last season are still problems today . When the team is competitive and lacks huge weaknesses .... you wont hear chicken little screaming the sky is falling .

I truely hope this team makes me eat some crow this coming season (Kinda like you :homer: 's last year) .....But some of us have been saying this same thing for the past Four Years ..... and we havent been wrong yet .

As for the current coaching staff .... they deserve a grace period , they inherited a HUGE MESS and it will take more than one off-season to fix it.

TEXANS84
03-20-2006, 11:54 AM
I only have one complaint so far .... They havent done anything to upgrade the worst O-line in the NFL .... Until the line gets better the offense will struggle no matter who is calling the plays . If they address this prior to the start of the season Ill have little to complain about. :cool:

I tend to believe that some of our linemen were failures of the "system" that the previous coaching staff had installed. They were all (except for Riley) decent to average linemen before they joined our team.

jerek
03-20-2006, 12:07 PM
I tend to believe that some of our linemen were failures of the "system" that the previous coaching staff had installed. They were all (except for Riley) decent to average linemen before they joined our team.

True. That Riley even started, much less for six weeks, should be an indication of how disconnected our coaches were from reality. This guy was a joke from start to finish and was a huge discipline/work ethic problem.

I tend to think most of our line are okay. Like corrosion and others, I surely wouldn't mind seeing some new faces, but I think our coaching was a big part.

TexanBacker93
03-20-2006, 12:19 PM
Milford Brown and Fred Weary as your starting tackles last season was a disaster .....


I think you mean guards.

Right now, I'm excited about next season. Granted, when it comes to football season it doesn't take too much. Growing up outside of Denver I was a fan of Kubiak's for awhile and would have liked to see him here instead of Capers, but I can understand the move that was made. I like that he has brought in coaches that he is comfortable with. It's not always about putting together an all-star team of coaches. You have to get a staff that can be on the same page and have the same goals. Rather than forcing octagonal pegs into triangular holes they are getting rid of players that don't fit the scheme or won't fit the long term plans. They are bringing in players with good attitudes that fit needs.

I know a lot of people wanted bigger name acquisitions. Winning organizations don't fill every spot with FAs. They sign a few role players each year and do a better job drafting. 4 of the most successful AFC teams in the past 10 years have all focused on the draft and maybe bringing in a couple of players to fit specific roles. Can you think of any big name FAs that Pittsburgh, New England, Denver, or Indianapolis have brought in? The Steelers biggest move may have been Duce Staley. The Broncos was Jake Plummer. There is still a lot of time left between now and training camp. The Texans have 4 of the first 66 picks. That is going to be huge. Considering the quality of players that are going to be available in that 3rd round gives them the chance at picking up 2 great players and 2 potential starters. They can get the gamebreaker they want, improve the line, improve the secondary, and maybe upgrade the LBs all in the first day. After that they'll be able to add some depth and fill in a few more holes. There are still going to be FAs available and at that point they might come cheaper.

I look forward to this season. I've paid my money for the tickets this year and can't wait for that first preseason game to get my tailgating groove going.

Texas
03-20-2006, 12:20 PM
I give them a Fair Job. I beleive out of all the FS's at the begininning of the FA we should have gotten 1 that was a key player for our D. Also we should have grabbed at least 1 established O-Line person and one of the more established receivers. Besides that I like, Cook,Putizer,Walters,Weaver.

HJam72
03-20-2006, 12:25 PM
Coaching does matter .... but the player has to bring something to the table as well .... 208 sacks over 4 seasons under various coaches says something is wrong .

Yes there are other things that contribute to the sack total .... Carr's lack of pocket presence and failure to throw the ball away before taking a sack or running out of bounds .... DD isnt very good at picking up blitzing LB's .... TE's who arent very good blockers .

But when a team uses primarily Three and Five step drops , short curls and slant patterns and still gives up 68 sacks .... There is enough blame to go around.

Milford Brown and Fred Weary as your starting Edit Guards last season was a disaster ..... McKinney getting manhandled and pushed back in the pocket wasnt pretty either . Pitts had a decent second half of the season after the failed Victor Riley experiment ..... Wade couldnt stay on the field which forced Wiegart from RG to RT .... Hurting two positions.


For those of you saying there is nothing wrong ....Dont go calling us "Chicken Little " or "Doom and Gloom" .... Its reality .... the team was 2-14 ....The offense and Defense were both statisticly DEAD LAST for the past season .... Some of the problems from last season are still problems today . When the team is competitive and lacks huge weaknesses .... you wont hear chicken little screaming the sky is falling .

I truely hope this team makes me eat some crow this coming season (Kinda like you :homer: 's last year) .....But some of us have been saying this same thing for the past Four Years ..... and we havent been wrong yet .

As for the current coaching staff .... they deserve a grace period , they inherited a HUGE MESS and it will take more than one off-season to fix it.


Chicken Little :)

Corrosion
03-20-2006, 12:29 PM
Let me clear something up here ....


I dont think scrapping the complete O-line is the answer here .... an upgrade at Center would allow McKinney to move to LG where his skills are better suited .... McKinney would be an upgrade over Milford Brown.

Replacing either the RG or RT removes Fred Weary from a starting role with Wiegart could remain at either of those positions for a year or two. One or the other ....

Pitts , Wiegart and McKinney (If he's at guard) are a solid foundation to build upon ....


Chicken Little :)


Hope I'm eating Crow

HJam72
03-20-2006, 12:32 PM
Let me clear something up here ....


I dont think scrapping the complete O-line is the answer here .... an upgrade at Center would allow McKinney to move to LG where his skills are better suited .... McKinney would be an upgrade over Milford Brown.

Replacing either the RG or RT removes Fred Weary from a starting role with Wiegart could remain at either of those positions for a year or two. One or the other ....

Pitts , Wiegart and McKinney (If he's at guard) are a solid foundation to build upon ....


That's exactly what I think....and I'm a :homer:

Some people think Wiegart is a hopeless case though, but I've never seen that. I've just never noticed him being the problem.

TheOgre
03-20-2006, 01:00 PM
As opposed to others on the board , I really like Anthony Weaver. I think Walters fits the role as a solid possession (#3) receiver. I am not fond of the Sage Rosenthal signing. He just isn't very good. I'd like to see us fill at least two of our remaining needs (WR2, MLB, TE, DE, FS, CB2, C/RG) in FA. If we can that and have a solid draft, I think we will be headed in the right direction.

vtech9
03-20-2006, 01:19 PM
I gave them a fair rating. I like the Walter and Weaver signings, and I'm ok with the Cook signing. What bothers me is what we paid for Weaver. I think Weaver was a good signing but we way overpaid for him. I think that Rosenfels was a wasted signing. I believe Ragone will beat Sage out for the #2 QB spot, and that we would have been better off bringing in a rookie QB in the 6th or an undrafted free agent QB to be the #3.

TexansFanatic
03-20-2006, 01:22 PM
Kubiak is a pretty good coach. And it's supposedly he who came up with the "dive-at-the-defenders-knees" approach which forced defenders to either fall down or have their legs snapped in half. That's one reason for Denver's huge success with no-name runners.



Actually, that technique was being taught to the 49ers' offensive line by a guy named Bobb McKittrick while Kubiak was still a young quarterback at Texas A&M.

Although he was loved by his players, McKittrick often was loathed by opposing defensive linemen for the tactics he taught.

McKittrick taught a technique known as cut blocking, where offensive linemen attack defenders below the waist. His techniques were legal but drew the anger of defensive linemen who feared career-ending knee injuries.

After one game, former Raiders defensive end Howie Long became so enraged at McKittrick's tactics that he chased him up the locker room tunnel at the Los Angeles Coliseum. Long never caught him.

"He took a rap for teaching questionable techniques," Cross said. "I can tell you one thing, and I'd absolutely say this to anybody at any time, and that includes Howie Long: Bobb McKittrick never taught one illegal technique."
LINK (http://www.49ersparadise.com/biographies/bobb1.html)

edo783
03-20-2006, 02:31 PM
I gave them a fair rating. I like the Walter and Weaver signings, and I'm ok with the Cook signing. What bothers me is what we paid for Weaver. I think Weaver was a good signing but we way overpaid for him. .

I keep seeing this "We way over paid for Weaver" mantra and IMO, it just doesn't meet up with the facts. Check the league for what the salary average is NOW for guys who are on their SECOND contract or latter (not the rookie contracts) and I think you will see we paid at about the middle to middle upper range. Normally DTs get paid less than DEs do, yet a DT for Denver (such a big name I can't remember it) was paid 36 Mil for 6. Trevor Price an over 30 year old DE coming off of back surgury got about the same as we gave Weaver. With the extra money that became available with the new CBA, the cost of doing business in FA went up with it. We gave good money for Weaver with a BIT of "Hey it's a crappy team" premium, but we hardly gave away the farm.

Grid
03-20-2006, 03:42 PM
Let me clear something up here ....


I dont think scrapping the complete O-line is the answer here .... an upgrade at Center would allow McKinney to move to LG where his skills are better suited .... McKinney would be an upgrade over Milford Brown.

Replacing either the RG or RT removes Fred Weary from a starting role with Wiegart could remain at either of those positions for a year or two. One or the other ....

Pitts , Wiegart and McKinney (If he's at guard) are a solid foundation to build upon ....





Hope I'm eating Crow

Just to clarify. Milford Brown is gone.. to the Cardinals I beleive. McKinney WILL be playing at left guard, and I seriously doubt we will see him take any snaps at center unless it is a dire emergency.

Wiegert will "most likely" be our RG.. but you never know what the new staff may find. Wand/Weary could end up playing RT/RG.. Wade could end up playing RT or RG.. ya never know.. but I do know that Sherman is a very good Oline coach, and we ARE going to have a better Oline next year, regardless of FA signings.

titan hater
03-20-2006, 04:17 PM
too soon to call it...

el toro
03-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Way too early. The staff is going to need two offseasons to remake the team as they want it. They're not ignoring the O-line, judging by the free agent names that are linked to the Texans.

Texan Asylum
03-20-2006, 05:36 PM
Sherman
Amen Grid. That's a big start.

thunderkyss
03-21-2006, 01:46 PM
I keep seeing this "We way over paid for Weaver" mantra and IMO,

I was also chanting that mantra, when the rumors were $13million signing bonus plus $5mil over 5 years......... which imo, is a lot of money to pay a DE that hasn't played much DE in recent years.. that would've been a contract of $38million for 5 years..

Now, I thnk we found out he's getting a $5mill Bonus, & $2mill over 5 years, $15million total, which is more in line........ I think.

TexanFan881
03-21-2006, 02:24 PM
I'm sort of satisfied. All we need is a #2 WR and a #2 CB, so I won't be disappointed until after the draft.

Bobo
03-21-2006, 06:17 PM
A couple of months into the new Texan era, how do you like the current job the new staff is doing (trying to bring in players, cutting players, etc.).

Awful. Kubiak has as much NFL head coaching experience as I do so he hires an inexperienced staff behind him, filled with his cronies. And he continues that tradition by bringing in Putzier. Everybody knows the Texans had a good pass-catching TE with Miller until they made that position part of pass protection and threw to Davis instead of the TE. So now he brings in another one of his pals. Does that mean he feels he has the pass protection problem settled? I see no real change in that situation yet -- which means Carr may be running for his life even more with one less guy blocking for him. Oh, well. One thing I won't have to worry about is going hoarse over this team like I did the first three years. With Kubiak in control, it will be like sitting back in the bleachers and calmly watching the NFL version of those loveable Mets of 1962. Only Kubiak is certainly no Casey Stengel.

outofhnd
03-21-2006, 06:55 PM
I like what they have done.

The coaches have come in and "simplified" things.
Out with the complex 3-4 scheme, In with a simple 4-3

So long Walker, he was great when fully healthy which was like 3 games over the last 3 years. Im hoping Buchanan will have a better understanding and play better at the corner than last year, hoping they simplify the coverages and try to break him of his gambler mentality of play.

O-line with a new scheme that could make all the difference. Wand will never play guard hes too tall. Hes definitely a tackle. Wiegart im not very high on, never have been. PItts I like him but Sherman really needs to get after him about his hand position as he tends to get holding penalties because he is outside the numbers. I think Flanagan would be a great addition to help the development of Hogdon.

I feel they are making great FA moves, trying to add role players not big time players that will be frustrated if we stumble out of the gates. Pickup young guys who want a shot at being a NFL starter and have the enthusiasm and positive attitudes rather than High priced guys frustrated and being the center of attention.

tsip
03-21-2006, 07:33 PM
btw..before anyone else says we havent done anything about the Oline and it still sucks.

Remember Hudson Houck? He is that guy that is now at Miami coaching the Oline..he was in San Diego and he took a terrible line full of rookies and made them one of the better lines in the league in one season.

Coaching matters.

...remember last year when the 'chicken littles' were saying this exact thing and the :homer: 's were crucifying them with 'time to gel?'...what a difference a year makes!

outofhnd
03-21-2006, 09:40 PM
Well they never got any time to gel last year because it became a OL shuffle out there. I think it changed from week to week who started where. I felt bad for those guys having to step in and play a different O line position practically every week

mean mark8
03-21-2006, 10:26 PM
Our O-line will be better with our new coaches. Wade was a road grader with Miami before he came to the Texans where the coaches taught him how to say Ole. Think about it, we didn't have a line coach for our first couple of years and the line improved. (Of course it couldn't get worse then the 76 sacks in yr. 1). Still, when Pendry got here things got uglier with each passing game. To the point we were running a Pop-Warner offense that even the lowly 49er's could stop. Run left 2 times than throw a 7 yard out pattern to Gaffney or Bradford. Oh, do we have Andre Johnson on OUR team? We could take the entire coaching staff from a Division II school and see an improvement over last year.

Cheroqui
03-21-2006, 11:07 PM
I'm just excited period. I think having for the most part an all new coaching staff is a start. I feel good about Kubiak for some reason and feel he will finally start using the TE's this season especially after going for Jeb from his last job.
I hope to that they are going to work with Mathis to get him on the field for offense and use more 3-4 WR sets with AJ, Mathis, and Starling. I can't wait to see how the 4-3 will work with Peek and Babin at the ends and whether Orr will be on Babin side or the "strong" side Peek. I also like that they mentioned keeping a bit of the 3-4 around.
We should look pretty good going through this season looking at things now and after the draft, but before week 6 I'm sure we'll be pretty content with what we see.

Tha_Tinman
03-21-2006, 11:47 PM
I've been following just about every player move made since the SuperBowl. I take one stinking week off for a Spring Break Vacation ...and I've lost about 80% of my enthusiasm for this upcoming season.

WHAT in the world is going on? WHYYYYYY are we not making runs at these free agents. I mean seriously ...I keep seeing all these phenomenal players being signed by OTHER teams ...and who do we get to help our team that is in desperate need of a makeover?

SAGE ROSENFELS???????????? I saw that and I felt like I'd been sucker punched in the gut!

T.O., David Givens, Julian Petersen, LeCharles Bentley, Akin Ayodele, Josh McCown, Randle El ...the list goes on and on and on

If we had picked up just ONE of these players I'd be singing the praises of this new coaching staff ...

But JAMEEL COOK ???????????? OMG!!!! I don't think I can stomach watching the draft if THESE are the kinda moves we're gonna make!

And in the meantime ...we lose Bradford AND Gaffney ...we lose Brown off the line ....and they let Walker ...pretty much our only experienced DE get away

PLEAZE ...SOMEBODY ...ANYBODY ...MAKE IT ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME! Maybe I'm not seeing the brilliance in these roster moves.

AustinJB
03-21-2006, 11:49 PM
I'll go w/ "fair" at this point. It's too early to say it's going good. I'll make that decision after the draft.

I do actually think we have made some decent signings so far. Nothing that will blow you away, but we've at least upgraded some weaknesses. Solidified the TE position....not to superstar level, but better than last year. Upgraded WR w/ Walter...again not a superstar, but has potential and not to mention the possibility of Burleson. Somewhat suprised w/ paying Weaver so much money, but we at least addressed our new 4-3 Dline. If we get Cowart, that would obviously help our LBs.

While these moves alone are not very impressive on paper, combine our draft picks with these moves and then what do you have? That is the question. If we are smart and don't screw up our picks, it could be a very good situation. We'll have to wait and see...but I think we're at least headed in the right direction, for the first time in a long time.

Carr Bombed
03-21-2006, 11:50 PM
There are half of dozen of these threads you could of picked any of them to post your rant.

Tha_Tinman
03-21-2006, 11:55 PM
There are half of dozen of these threads you could of picked any of them to post your rant.

But I didn't ...I chose to put it here! RIGHT HERE!

tulexan
03-21-2006, 11:55 PM
Kubiak and the staff has a specific system and these guys fit it.

Carr Bombed
03-21-2006, 11:58 PM
Kubiak and the staff has a specific system and these guys fit it.

You wanted the answer, there it is. He is signing role players to fit his system and bringing in guys with experience in it, such as Putzier.

Tha_Tinman
03-22-2006, 12:01 AM
You wanted the answer, there it is. He is signing role players to fit his system and bringing in guys with experience in it, such as Putzier.

I'll give you Putzier ...Rosenfels ...Cook ...and even Walters ...have relatively NO game experience.

Carr Bombed
03-22-2006, 12:05 AM
I'll give you Putzier ...Rosenfels ...Cook ...and even Walters ...have relatively NO game experience.

Sage is the QB that Kubiak wanted and Kubiak picked him, he said he believes he could be successful in his system.

Kubiak also needed a pass catching FB, thats what Cook is, so Kubiak got him so he could run his system

Walters is a WR they feel has upside and great work ethic and after losing Gaffney and Bradford we were bleeding for quality depth and thats what he is and only cost a 7th rounder and with his size he has potential to be a quality Redzone target.

Again let me stress all these moves were Kubiaks and not Charlies

MorKnolle
03-22-2006, 12:10 AM
I don't totally understand the Rosenfels pick, I guess he's a better #2 QB than Tony Banks and the Broncos generally like more athletic QBs, and he is more athletic than Banks.

The Broncos also tend to like more athletic FBs (see Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughhs, both were originally brought on as FBs and put up 1000 yard seasons when put in the spotlight). Jameel Cook is that more athletic FB (not sure he's worth $1 million a year), so Norris will likely be cut after camp.

Walters is apparently a good, big WR target, I hope they don't think he's going to be our #2 WR and intend for him to be our #3, which he should be a pretty good option there. He is supposed to be a bigger, and slightly slower Gaffney, having another 6'3" WR will be nice but I'd prefer one with better than a 4.65 40 time that I've seen him timed at. I'm also not fond of how much money we're giving him.

Anthony Weaver I'm not real fond of. We need a strongside DE but he is listed as running a 4.95 40 and will not provide much of a pass rush at all. While he is a big DE and good against the run, there are numerous DEs in this draft that are also big, are more athletic, and will probably do well against the run while providing a much better pass rush, so I'm not real sure why we got him other than to have a veteran there, but I think we way overpaid him, we get rid of Walker's contract and add another one equally as big for yet another guy that hasn't proven to be a great DE. I'd personally rather move him to DT, cut Seth Payne, then draft Mario Williams, but I don't think they'll do that.

Putzier is a fine acquisition, he's not any kind of stud TE but he's solid and better than anyone we have, plus he's played in the Broncos system and is familiar with it.

That's my opinions on the acquisitions to this point.

Tha_Tinman
03-22-2006, 12:11 AM
Sage is the QB that Kubiak wanted and Kubiak picked him, he said he believes he could be successful in his system.

Kubiak also needed a pass catching FB, thats what Cook is, so Kubiak got him so he could run his system

Walters is a WR they feel has upside and great work ethic and after losing Gaffney and Bradford we were bleeding for quality depth and thats what he is and only cost a 7th rounder and with his size he has potential to be a quality Redzone target.

Again let me stress all these moves were Kubiaks and not Charlies


What did you do?

Carr Bombed
03-22-2006, 12:14 AM
What did you do?

What are you talking about

Tha_Tinman
03-22-2006, 12:17 AM
What are you talking about

You moved my post. You're the Anti-Christ!

michaelm
03-22-2006, 12:19 AM
You moved my post. You're the Anti-Christ!



Your post was merged with the thread that had already been started on the subject. Happens all the time, don't call for an exorcism...

AustinJB
03-22-2006, 12:19 AM
I'll give you Putzier ...Rosenfels ...Cook ...and even Walters ...have relatively NO game experience.

I think you're getting upset a little too early. We still have the draft. How can you complain until you see what their choices are in the draft?

This coaching staff seems to have a plan and know what they are trying to accomplish....and Reeves, Kubes, and Sherman have a good reputation for evaluating talent. They are acquiring role players that they believe will strengthen some of our weak positions. No...they're not superstars or "big" signings, but what would one or two "big" signings do to help us? Not very much b/c we are weak in a LOT of areas....and then we would have a butt-load of money tied into one or two players and the rest of our team still sucks.

For all you know, the reason they haven't signed some of the big-name FAs is b/c they are planning on using the draft to address some of those needs. We haven't addressed the Oline yet....maybe they feel like they could get a better and cheaper lineman in the draft. No need spending a lot of money when you know you're about to use a high draft pick on that area. We haven't addressed the LBs yet...maybe we'll get one in the draft. Same for CB, FS, DE, WR.

Get the point? I'm not saying that I won't be critical if we screw up this draft, it's just too early to say that we're doing the wrong thing IMO.:twocents:

Carr Bombed
03-22-2006, 12:20 AM
You moved my post. You're the Anti-Christ! I didn't move your post, I'm not a moderator.

I guess they just stuck it in another thread that was already on the same topic, that way they don't have like six generic threads all about the same thing.

el toro
03-22-2006, 12:23 AM
Is free agency over? No. Relax.

Tha_Tinman
03-22-2006, 12:23 AM
I think you're getting upset a little too early. We still have the draft. How can you complain until you see what their choices are in the draft?

This coaching staff seems to have a plan and know what they are trying to accomplish....and Reeves, Kubes, and Sherman have a good reputation for evaluating talent. They are acquiring role players that they believe will strengthen some of our weak positions. No...they're not superstars or "big" signings, but what would one or two "big" signings do to help us? Not very much b/c we are weak in a LOT of areas....and then we would have a butt-load of money tied into one or two players and the rest of our team still sucks.

For all you know, the reason they haven't signed some of the big-name FAs is b/c they are planning on using the draft to address some of those needs. We haven't addressed the Oline yet....maybe they feel like they could get a better and cheaper lineman in the draft. No need spending a lot of money when you know you're about to use a high draft pick on that area. We haven't addressed the LBs yet...maybe we'll get one in the draft. Same for CB, FS, DE, WR.

Get the point? I'm not saying that I won't be critical if we screw up this draft, it's just too early to say that we're doing the wrong thing IMO.:twocents:

The thing about is ...If we're relying on THE DRAFT to fill multiple KEY ROLES ...those guys REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE. That's the beauty of free agency, you can pick up guys that not only can play right away and be effective ...but they are good role models for the new guys.

We DESPERATELY need leadership? Speaking of which ...what's going on with
Ray Lewis?

infantrycak
03-22-2006, 12:27 AM
You moved my post. You're the Anti-Christ!

Nope, I'm the Anti-Christ as it pertains to this issue. :cool:

FA Moves does not equal Draft Forum and there were already ongoing discussions about the free agent moves.

el toro
03-22-2006, 12:30 AM
The thing about is ...If we're relying on THE DRAFT to fill multiple KEY ROLES ...those guys REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE. That's the beauty of free agency, you can pick up guys that not only can play right away and be effective ...but they are good role models for the new guys.

We DESPERATELY need leadership? Speaking of which ...what's going on with
Ray Lewis?


Are they done with free agency?

Anyways, if they started going after big names the money would dry up quickly. Why not allow the coaching staff to spread the money across multiple positions in order to improve the entire team? This isn't the NBA. In the NBA you can land one free agent and totally turn your team around. In the NFL you need to add multiple players to have a similiar impact. Patience.

Tha_Tinman
03-22-2006, 12:49 AM
Is free agency over? No. Relax.

It might as well be over. Who's left thats any good?

el toro
03-22-2006, 12:52 AM
Centers and guards, for starters. Flanagan, Neal, Ashworth, and McKinney, all of whom have been linked to the Texans. I'm not sure what could have been done differently.

MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
03-22-2006, 01:35 AM
FREE AGENCY FOR THE TEXANS HAS BEEN A WASH , ONCE AGAIN CASSERLEY AND KUBIAK THINK ALIKE GETTING A BUNCH OF NO NAME PLAYERS COOK, WALTERS, SOME DISMAL TIGHT END FROM DENVER NEVER HEARD OF, THINGS NOT LOOKING GOOD, LETTING GAFFNEY GO TO THE EAGLES, ANOTHER BAD DEAL..... SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WE ARE NOT GOING BACKWARDS THIS YEAR.....:brickwall IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE WE ARE BUILDING A SCAB TEAM FROM THE 80'S

HJam72
03-22-2006, 01:35 AM
It might as well be over. Who's left thats any good?

I think Joey Harrington's available. Hahahahaha

Huge1
03-22-2006, 01:41 AM
SOME DISMAL TIGHT END FROM DENVER NEVER HEARD OF :confused:

Turn your caps off and GO AWAY.

Texas
03-22-2006, 01:45 AM
:confused:

Turn your caps off and GO AWAY.


thanks couldnt have said it better

Grid
03-22-2006, 02:00 AM
we need to put this smiley on the board http://www.nfl-fans.com/html/emoticons/moe.gif for situations such as this.

kbourda
03-22-2006, 02:42 AM
Can they take a snap in pre season first before all of this doom and gloom?

thetexanator
03-22-2006, 05:17 AM
why are u guys ragging on one persons opinion? let people voice their opinion TIHS. and if i recall correctly, werent people saying "dont worry its only preseason" last year?

Marcus
03-22-2006, 06:07 AM
We're not ragging on someone's opinion.

What we are ragging on . . is someone's NEGATIVITY!

Jesus, I really do wonder if some of you are actually enjoying life, and if you are married, how that is working out, or if you have any friends.

HJam72
03-22-2006, 07:10 AM
why are u guys ragging on one persons opinion? let people voice their opinion TIHS. and if i recall correctly, werent people saying "dont worry its only preseason" last year?

It was only preseason last year. :)

Well, it was. :idonno:

Corrosion
03-22-2006, 10:07 AM
It was only preseason last year. :)

Well, it was. :idonno:


Yep ..... thats what they kept telling me ....

"its only pre-season , it dont count !"


Well .... they not only sucked in pre-season but they had the worst record in the NFL .... the offense and defense were both statisticly DEAD LAST in the NFL .....at least we'll get something out of last season .... the First Pick

Pre-season isnt even here yet .....Neither is the draft ..... Im not upset with what they HAVE DONE in fact I like most of their moves so far .


The best move of them all was probably cutting their ties w/ Capers and Co. and the subsequent hiring of Kubiak and his staff .... Im sure we can all agree on that point at least.


Weaver is a good run stopper .... soemthing that was sorely needed on this team , not the pass rusher everyone is wanting but a solid aquisition overall. And NO .... they didnt overpay.

J.Cook could bring an added dimension to the backfield . He's a good ST player .... he can catch ..... If he can pick up the blitz Its a good signing.

Rosenfels .... Im hot and cold on this one , The thing I do like is his 61 attempts last season Without a Single Sack .... He says he's here to compete w/ Carr where Banks was content to sit behind Carr ..... if you arent here to compete you are in the wrong sport .... But he does cost almost a Million more against the cap than Banks did.

Kevin Walter may not be a star name at WR but then again look who he was playing behind in Cincy ..... He's got very good hands , is big target , isnt afraid to go over the middle is another good ST player .... Did I mention he has good hands ....That in itself is an upgrade over what the team had .

Putzier is another upgrade .... Something this team has needed since its inception .... a solid TE who can both catch and block . He also has the speed to cause problems for defenses across the middle of the field and doesnt let go of the ball when he's drilled .....


Coleman ,Bradford , Hollings and Walker are likely addition by subtraction ....



I like everything they have done , my only complaint AGAIN is What They Havent Done Yet which is address the weakest link in the chain over the past four seasons . There is still time to do so via FA and the draft .... But it Must Be Done !


No , the sky isnt falling .....Yet

Kaiser Toro
03-22-2006, 10:09 AM
Jesus, I really do wonder if some of you are actually enjoying life, and if you are married, how that is working out, or if you have any friends.

If Jesus gets back with you via a PM please let us know what the reponse is. :)

el toro
03-22-2006, 10:10 AM
FREE AGENCY FOR THE TEXANS HAS BEEN A WASH , ONCE AGAIN CASSERLEY AND KUBIAK THINK ALIKE GETTING A BUNCH OF NO NAME PLAYERS COOK, WALTERS, SOME DISMAL TIGHT END FROM DENVER NEVER HEARD OF, THINGS NOT LOOKING GOOD, LETTING GAFFNEY GO TO THE EAGLES, ANOTHER BAD DEAL..... SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WE ARE NOT GOING BACKWARDS THIS YEAR.....:brickwall IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE WE ARE BUILDING A SCAB TEAM FROM THE 80'S


Spare yourself the misery and end it now.

Names don't necessarily lead to success, otherwise the 'skins would have a couple of titles from the last 5 seasons. What does lead to success is having a coaching staff who knows what they are doing. I'd say the Texans acquired that this offseason. You did see that as a positive, right?

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-22-2006, 10:15 AM
I like peoples opinions, when they are educated about the subject at hand. Talking to someone that just Blah blah Blahs so they can be heard should not be taken seriously. There is always one in a group. Just don't waste the space commenting to him/her and then they do go away. I learned a long time ago if you do not give them fuel, they go away... or just write DUMBER stuff.

Most of the people on this MB since I have joined are educated in football, not just Texans, but NFL football in general. Makes it a pleasure to be here and interact sharing knowledge.

If you cannot look at the changes being made here are for the better, take the blinders off, or maybe it is if some of these fans bash them down and they do struggle they can give you the "I TOLD YOU SO!"

These are usually the people afraid to grasp at what is good in a situation and have fun with it and ride it out.... WAIT this is FOOTBALL not Psych class.

Who cares... LET"S PLAY SOME FOOTBALL!!!

Cheroqui
03-22-2006, 02:25 PM
WHAT in the world is going on? WHYYYYYY are we not making runs at these free agents. I mean seriously ...I keep seeing all these phenomenal players being signed by OTHER teams ...and who do we get to help our team that is in desperate need of a makeover?

You know what I agree with you. It slipped my mind when I posted, but I thought we might take a crack at some of these guys myself. McGinhest, Abraham, Julian Petersen, LeCharles Bentley, Akin Ayodele, etc. I thought at least one of those names may be added to the roster. I am a bit nervous about the draft too but, still feel that we have something good to look forward to... hopefully.

Bobo
03-22-2006, 06:43 PM
Well they never got any time to gel last year because it became a OL shuffle out there. I think it changed from week to week who started where. I felt bad for those guys having to step in and play a different O line position practically every week

People criticized the coaching staff when they stood pat and now they get criticized for shuffling people around. This brings new meaning to the phrase "couldn't win."

Bobo
03-22-2006, 06:46 PM
Spare yourself the misery and end it now.

Names don't necessarily lead to success, otherwise the 'skins would have a couple of titles from the last 5 seasons. What does lead to success is having a coaching staff who knows what they are doing. I'd say the Texans acquired that this offseason. You did see that as a positive, right?

Where do you get the confidence that this coaching staff knows what it's doing when Kubiak has no NFL head coaching experience and his staff is just as green? I personally see a lot of cronyism in the hiring of the staff as well the bringing in of Putzier. You see that as a positive?

Bobo
03-22-2006, 06:55 PM
The thing about is ...If we're relying on THE DRAFT to fill multiple KEY ROLES ...those guys REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE.

What do you expect from Kubiak and his staff? It's not like they are salty veterans in their current positions.

El Amigo Invisible
03-22-2006, 07:26 PM
I am reallyu worried about our O - Line and our Defense. I know we signed Weaver but nothing else. I liked the tight end pick up at first but I just read that the guy is not a great blocker . He is supposed to be adequate and that scares me. David will have no protection again!

taxman
03-23-2006, 10:15 PM
I don't totally understand the Rosenfels pick, I guess he's a better #2 QB than Tony Banks and the Broncos generally like more athletic QBs, and he is more athletic than Banks.

The Broncos also tend to like more athletic FBs (see Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughhs, both were originally brought on as FBs and put up 1000 yard seasons when put in the spotlight). Jameel Cook is that more athletic FB (not sure he's worth $1 million a year), so Norris will likely be cut after camp.

Walters is apparently a good, big WR target, I hope they don't think he's going to be our #2 WR and intend for him to be our #3, which he should be a pretty good option there. He is supposed to be a bigger, and slightly slower Gaffney, having another 6'3" WR will be nice but I'd prefer one with better than a 4.65 40 time that I've seen him timed at. I'm also not fond of how much money we're giving him.

Anthony Weaver I'm not real fond of. We need a strongside DE but he is listed as running a 4.95 40 and will not provide much of a pass rush at all. While he is a big DE and good against the run, there are numerous DEs in this draft that are also big, are more athletic, and will probably do well against the run while providing a much better pass rush, so I'm not real sure why we got him other than to have a veteran there, but I think we way overpaid him, we get rid of Walker's contract and add another one equally as big for yet another guy that hasn't proven to be a great DE. I'd personally rather move him to DT, cut Seth Payne, then draft Mario Williams, but I don't think they'll do that.

Putzier is a fine acquisition, he's not any kind of stud TE but he's solid and better than anyone we have, plus he's played in the Broncos system and is familiar with it.

That's my opinions on the acquisitions to this point.

Where did you see Walter timed at a 4.65 in the 40 yd.? His pro day at Northwestern he ran a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40 yd. Apparently, you will have to wait and see, because seeing is believing.

big homey
03-23-2006, 10:18 PM
I am reallyu worried about our O - Line and our Defense. I know we signed Weaver but nothing else. I liked the tight end pick up at first but I just read that the guy is not a great blocker . He is supposed to be adequate and that scares me. David will have no protection again!
You can breathe a little bit now that we have Flanagan in the fold.

Scooter
03-24-2006, 02:46 AM
i voted "here we go again" when this poll first opened, but that was before putz & flanagan, and we just re-signed four guys on D. i'm trying real hard to pretend like i'm not more & more excited every day, but i'm really liking the way things are going. we knew we'd try to model ourselves after the broncos, and look at the guys we're bringing in ... it's EXACTLY the type of guys denver has. we still need an OT and and probably someone else on the interior line, along with atleast a couple more on defense (LB, DB), but i'm starting to get pretty optomistic. dont put me at GOOD! yet, but we're heading in the right direction.