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Ibar_Harry
03-19-2006, 05:14 PM
http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/sports/interactive/justicemcclain/week54/justmc2.html

I think you will like this and learn a lot. Talks in depth about all of what we have been talking about......

Corrosion
03-19-2006, 05:23 PM
McLain ..... He called Santonio Holmes .... Santonio Barret form Ohio St.

I dont put much into what he says.

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:30 PM
That was a good piece, I found it interesting how most of our ex coaches weren't able to find jobs. Out of all the ex coaches I hated Pendry the most and was pleading for his firing since almost day one, I knew the Texans were doomed when he was named OC. Palmer was the scapegoat who was never given the line play nor the players to run his system effectively, I think he'll do good in Dallas.

Our defensive scheme just plain sucked, it seems we were trying not to lose games for four years instead of trying to win them.

bigcarlos
03-19-2006, 05:31 PM
He should try and get an NFL office job somewhere.
:rolleyes:

Ibar_Harry
03-19-2006, 05:32 PM
McLain ..... He called Santonio Holmes .... Santonio Barret form Ohio St.

I dont put much into what he says.

Yes, but listen to what he says about the O-line, the coaches and Casserly. Basically he's telling it like it was and is. Its what a lot of us were seeing and commenting on last year. Listen and you will learn about where we are headed and what is going on and why we have chosen who we have. You will also get some insight into what we may have to do in the draft depending on whether we pick up Burl or not. He also gives some insight into the possibility of getting Burl. I found out quite a bit of information that we probably are going to find hard to come by any other way. He also told you who's putting the O-line together and that Wade doesn't fit. Others have said the same think, but he's confirming their assertions.

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:33 PM
That was a good piece, I found it interesting how most of our ex coaches weren't able to find jobs. Out of all the ex coaches I hated Pendry the most and was pleading for his firing since almost day one, I knew the Texans were doomed when he was named OC. Palmer was the scapegoat who was never given the line play nor the players to run his system effectively, I think he'll do good in Dallas.

Our defensive scheme just plain sucked, it seems we were trying not to lose games for four years instead of trying to win them.

Is Chris Palmer coaching in Dallas?

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:35 PM
Yes, but listen to what he says about the O-line, the coaches and Casserly. Basically he's telling it like it was and is. Its what a lot of us were seeing and commenting on last year. Listen and you will learn about where we are headed and what is going on and why we have chosen who we have. You will also get some insight into what we may have to do in the draft depending on whether we pick up Burl or not. He also gives some insight into the possibility of getting Burl. I found out quite a bit of information that we probably are going to find hard to come by any other way. He also told you who's putting the O-line together and that Wade doesn't fit. Others have said the same think, but he's confirming their assertions.


Wade = Overated

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:35 PM
Yes, but listen to what he says about the O-line, the coaches and Casserly. Basically he's telling it like it was and is. Its what a lot of us were seeing and commenting on last year. Listen and you will learn about where we are headed and what is going on and why we have chosen who we have. You will also get some insight into what we may have to do in the draft depending on whether we pick up Burl or not. He also gives some insight into the possibility of getting Burl. I found out quite a bit of information that we probably are going to find hard to come by any other way. He also told you who's putting the O-line together and that Wade doesn't fit. Others have said the same think, but he's confirming their assertions.

Wade doesn't fit and the sooner him and his cap hit are off the books and off the team, the better. He's probably been the Texans most disapointing FA for the money he makes.

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:36 PM
Wade = Overated 2 great minds think alike

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:39 PM
Is Chris Palmer coaching in Dallas? Yep he's been reunited with Parcells and Bledsoe. Bledsoe had his best years under Palmer.

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:40 PM
So what does the line look like?

Pitts, McKinney, Hodgkins, Wiegert, ???

Wolf
03-19-2006, 05:43 PM
So what does the line look like?

Pitts, McKinney, Hodgkins, Wiegert, ???

wand???

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:43 PM
Palmer needs strong direction and is why he was not a good Head coach and why he performed his best under strong coaches such as Parcells and Coughlin.

Ibar_Harry
03-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Yep he's been reunited with Parcells and Bledsoe. Bledsoe had his best years under Palmer.

Big factor there is Parcells makes the final calls when it is tight and knows how set up an offensive line. Parcells in not a Dom Capers when it comes to offense......

aj.
03-19-2006, 05:44 PM
. I found out quite a bit of information that we probably are going to find hard to come by any other way. .

For out of towners, yes, but those of us in range of SportsRadio 610 in Houston get stuff like this at least twice a week since JM spends 3 hours a week on the radio here. That review is the Readers Digest version of the Friday afternoon show.

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:44 PM
So what does the line look like?

Pitts, McKinney, Hodgkins, Wiegert, ???

I liked last years rookie Hodgdon, he played really well when healthy and he was the captain of his college team and is really smart. I really feel he's being overlooked in alot of discussions about the Oline.

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:44 PM
wand???
that's the easy answer, but well stated.

Texansbacker
03-19-2006, 05:47 PM
I liked last years rookie Hodgdon, he played really well when healthy and he was the captain of his college team and is really smart. I really feel he's being overlooked in alot of discussions about the Oline.

yes, Hodgdon, thanks...and he seemed pretty good. McKinney seemed to do better at guard too and will hopefully improve playing for some old coaches.

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 05:50 PM
Big factor there is Parcells makes the final calls when it is tight and knows how set up an offensive line. Parcells in not a Dom Capers when it comes to offense...... Thats probably what was wrong in Houston, Capers made the final calls and he is just too conservative. Capers doesn't know how to manage a coaching staff, just let him run a defense. Thats probably what upsets me the most about the ex coaching staff, Capers should of stepped and took the reigns of the defense, but instead just stood by while Fangio ran it into the ground.

Capers knows football he just isn't flexible and if he's taken out of his comfort zone he is screwed, he can't make adjustments and can't think outside of the box, which is the main reason why he forced players into roles they weren't, instead of adjusting his system to fit the players he had.

Runner
03-19-2006, 06:05 PM
that's the easy answer, but well stated.

Shhhhh.

I'm quoting this post rather than the other one because nobody is supposed to say that name. McClain sure won't - I think it's carry over from the Pendry era....

They are looking for a quick tackle with the physical skills to play the Denver zone blocking team. We have one, but he's the invisible man. I bet you the new coaches identify him, though.

Corrosion
03-19-2006, 06:19 PM
Shhhhh.

I'm quoting this post rather than the other one because nobody is supposed to say that name. McClain sure won't - I think it's carry over from the Pendry era....

They are looking for a quick tackle with the physical skills to play the Denver zone blocking team. We have one, but he's the invisible man. I bet you the new coaches identify him, though.


Putting the "Invisable Man" at RT fixes two problems .... It moves Wiegart back to guard too ..... now if only they could cut Wade.

Hodgdon at center also fixes two problems ..... Moves McKinney to LG where he is at his natural position . An upgrade at both slots .... If Hodgdon can stay on the field.
What gets me is that this team has had issues along the O-line for the duration and they havent done a lot to fix the problems .... McKinney was forced to the center position in year one for lack of a better center .... I can understand why it happened but that situation should have been addressed much sooner.
They still need some depth at both guard and tackle .... One injury and we could see the exact same line as last year. :brickwall

Runner
03-19-2006, 06:27 PM
Putting the "Invisable Man" at RT fixes two problems .... It moves Wiegart back to guard too ..... now if only they could cut Wade.

Hodgdon at center also fixes two problems ..... Moves McKinney to LG where he is at his natural position . An upgrade at both slots .... If Hodgdon can stay on the field.


They still need some depth at both guard and tackle .... One injury and we could see the exact same line as last year.

I'm not convinced Hodgdon is the man for us at center because he didn't play enough for a full evaluation, and the couple of games he did play was in a very peculiar offense. I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I'd like to see an upgrade or second viable option there going into camp.

I think Weigert is better at guard too; durability will be his biggest issue.

I hope the draft can provide quality depth for us on the o-line. I'm not counting on any first year starters in the draft, but we can start to groom them now.

Ibar_Harry
03-19-2006, 06:30 PM
Putting the "Invisable Man" at RT fixes two problems .... It moves Wiegart back to guard too ..... now if only they could cut Wade.

Hodgdon at center also fixes two problems ..... Moves McKinney to LG where he is at his natural position . An upgrade at both slots .... If Hodgdon can stay on the field.
What gets me is that this team has had issues along the O-line for the duration and they havent done a lot to fix the problems .... McKinney was forced to the center position in year one for lack of a better center .... I can understand why it happened but that situation should have been addressed much sooner.
They still need some depth at both guard and tackle .... One injury and we could see the exact same line as last year. :brickwall

We will possibly pick up another FA and draft a player or two. The big difference will be the coaching and than can not be under estimated. It will be the same personnel, but it will be a totally different situation. We have people who know how to put an O-line together that works. To repeat none of the previous coaches are now coaching. They couldn't get jobs. That's how bad it was........... In addition how many people did they ruin? You might include Carr in that statement?

TEXANRED
03-19-2006, 06:33 PM
Wade doesn't fit and the sooner him and his cap hit are off the books and off the team, the better. He's probably been the Texans most disapointing FA for the money he makes.
I would have to say it is a tie with Greenwood. He is a linebacker who cant tackle, cover, or sack the QB. How much did we pay him?

tsip
03-19-2006, 06:41 PM
Besides all the position coaches still out of work, look at the job Caper's ended up with--- Special Assisitant to the HC!! What does that say? There were 10 teams looking for HC's and DC's and the :homer: 's said Caper's door would be getting knocked down with offers--not this year!:brickwall

Carr Bombed
03-19-2006, 06:48 PM
I would have to say it is a tie with Greenwood. He is a linebacker who cant tackle, cover, or sack the QB. How much did we pay him? Thats why I entered the word probably, because I was thinking about Greenwood when I wrote that. I do however think Robaire Smith is going to turn into a good signing now that we are switching to a 4-3 front, which he excelled in.

kcwilson
03-19-2006, 06:51 PM
wand???

Buccaneers | Team still has a major interest in Ashworth
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:12:17 -0800

Rick Stroud, of the St. Petersburg Times, reports the Tampa Bay Buccaneers remain a big player for free agent OT Tom Ashworth (Patriots). No decision is expected until Monday, March 20. While Ashworth remains interested in the Bucs, he also plans to meet with the Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans. The Miami Dolphins appear to have lost interest in Ashworth.

PokerStar
03-19-2006, 06:58 PM
So what does the line look like?

Pitts, McKinney, Hodgkins, Wiegert, ???

Pitts, McKinney, Hogdon, Weary, Weigert. That is the line penciled right now I believe. The best line possible for the system that Kubes wants to run. Wand and Wade just dont fit, Wand may after he learns some, because he has better feet than Wade, but Wade is dead money likely to be cut June 1. BTW you guys should start thinking about Gerald Riggs Jr. if we do not take Bush, because I doubt Wells is coming back unless it is for cheap.

aj.
03-19-2006, 07:02 PM
Walker and Wade are going to end up being two Tony Boselli's on the cap.

Where's that "why all the doom and gloom" thread when you need it?

Runner
03-19-2006, 07:02 PM
Pitts, McKinney, Hogdon, Weary, Weigert. That is the line penciled right now I believe.

"Penciled" by whom?

Corrosion
03-19-2006, 07:10 PM
Walker and Wade are going to end up being two Tony Boselli's on the cap.

Where's that "why all the doom and gloom" thread when you need it?


At least Walker and Wade saw the field in a Texans Uniform .....

Its there ..... But you'll be called chicken little if you say anything negative .... But when a team goes 2-14 what do you expect ?

Dunta_23
03-19-2006, 07:12 PM
When a coach is looking to form an offensive line for a certain system, it cant be done in one offseason. It takes time to find the right people or teach the people you have already invested in. We have interest in a few guys now but none of those guys seem too young....maybe the coaches and GM have some potential draft picks on the radar that theyd like to work into the line this season and next. WIth the way the cap situation is structured we cant just cut all of our guys and make new and better players appear out of nowhere...

This line most likely wont be great this year but I think that it will most definately better than in years past...So we must be patient....even though we have been since year 1

Errant Hothy
03-19-2006, 07:17 PM
Buccaneers | Team still has a major interest in Ashworth
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:12:17 -0800

Rick Stroud, of the St. Petersburg Times, reports the Tampa Bay Buccaneers remain a big player for free agent OT Tom Ashworth (Patriots). No decision is expected until Monday, March 20. While Ashworth remains interested in the Bucs, he also plans to meet with the Houston Texans and Tennessee Titans. The Miami Dolphins appear to have lost interest in Ashworth.


If it's Wand or Weary, then why are we talking to Ashworth? He isn't going to be a back-up here, or anywhere else. Wand only works at RT if Ashworth gets a stupid rich offer from somebody. Weary is for depth only, I gotta beleive.

Runner
03-19-2006, 07:23 PM
If it's Wand or Weary, then why are we talking to Ashworth? He isn't going to be a back-up here, or anywhere else. Wand only works at RT if Ashworth gets a stupid rich offer from somebody. Weary is for depth only, I gotta beleive.

Well, I just think Wand will be there next year, and I haven't set all of the o-line except RT already as many have.

If Ashworth signs, maybe Wand - Pitts - Hodgdon(?) - Weigert - Ashworth is our best line. Not based on Pitts at his perceived best position, but based on our best line.



Wouldn't it be bad if we signed Ashworth (or someone else) and we couldn't play him because the line was already "set" in the Chronicle??????? :)

TexanSam
03-19-2006, 07:43 PM
He's very pessimistic when it comes to Nate Burleson. I think the Texans will land him. Gut feeling though. I also though Santonio Holmes was supposed to go in the 1st round and possibly the 1st reciever taken. Has his stocked dropped that much? If so, it would be awesome if the Texans take him.

RTP2110
03-19-2006, 07:52 PM
Actually the line would be

Pitts-McKinney-Hodgdon-?????-Weigert

Runner
03-19-2006, 08:05 PM
Actually the line would be

Pitts-McKinney-Hodgdon-?????-Weigert

Let me understand this - so if we pick up a good free agent center or tackle they'd be back-ups?

RTP2110
03-19-2006, 08:14 PM
Let me understand this - so if we pick up a good free agent center or tackle they'd be back-ups?

I was basing that off of our current players, at the positions Mclain listed them in the clip.

Runner
03-19-2006, 08:15 PM
I was basing that off of our current players, at the positions Mclain listed them in the clip.

OK. I thought you were answering Hoth-Boy's question about Ashworth a few posts up. Whew! My mistake.

tsip
03-19-2006, 08:17 PM
"It takes time"

Is this the 'official' motto for the Texans? I know it's been there (and still is) since before day one...:yahoo:

Dunta_23
03-19-2006, 08:25 PM
This isnt the same teamn as Capers team..if we want a Kubiak style team, we need to get his players

keyfro
03-19-2006, 08:33 PM
maybe we'll get lucky and eric winston will fall to the 2nd round and we'll pick him up...he'll start at RT and next year we'll flip him and pitts...so this year i think it'll be

pitts mckinney flanagan weigert winston

wand dp hodgdon weary wade

Eyeguy
03-19-2006, 10:18 PM
maybe we'll get lucky and eric winston will fall to the 2nd round and we'll pick him up...he'll start at RT and next year we'll flip him and pitts...so this year i think it'll be

pitts mckinney flanagan weigert winston

wand dp hodgdon weary wade

McClain says that we draft a WR in the 2nd round? We need one of the "big 5" OT (DeBrickshaw, Justice, McNeil, Winston, or Scott) We can go WR and defense in the 3rd

whiskeyrbl
03-20-2006, 02:22 AM
JM mentioned them taking a pass rushing DE in the 4th rd probably,what is y'alls take on that and who do you think will be available in the 4th. I also noticed they sounded pretty assured that R Bush was gonna be here.Also do you really think we will take a WR with our 2 nd pick?

2 CENTS
03-21-2006, 12:03 AM
The Line as it now stands (LT Pitts, LG McKiney C Hodgdon RG Weary RT Wiegert). Backups Wand and WADE Both Big Slow guys if you ask me and not sure if they fit the system. If we get Flanigan thats a bonus. DRAFT OG and OT since it looks like we won't get MANGOLD at Center in the 2nd if we have to take a WR there. There are good value O linemen in the 3rd where we have 2 back to back picks.

Runner
03-21-2006, 12:10 AM
The Line as it now stands (LT Pitts, LG McKiney C Hodgdon RG Weary RT Wiegert). Backups Wand and WADE Both Big Slow guys if you ask me and not sure if they fit the system.

Wand is a big fast guy. Some of his agility drills at the combine were the fastest of all tackles of any size that year. In fact, he fits the system quite well. He has all the physical skills that Kubiak wants. Therefore:

He'll be our starting left tackle next year.

edo783
03-21-2006, 07:59 AM
Wand is a big fast guy. Some of his agility drills at the combine were the fastest of all tackles of any size that year. In fact, he fits the system quite well. He has all the physical skills that Kubiak wants. Therefore:

He'll be our starting left tackle next year.

BOLD prediction Runner. Way ta step out.

jerek
03-21-2006, 09:10 AM
That was a good piece, I found it interesting how most of our ex coaches weren't able to find jobs. Out of all the ex coaches I hated Pendry the most and was pleading for his firing since almost day one, I knew the Texans were doomed when he was named OC. Palmer was the scapegoat who was never given the line play nor the players to run his system effectively, I think he'll do good in Dallas.

Our defensive scheme just plain sucked, it seems we were trying not to lose games for four years instead of trying to win them.

Palmer and Pendry were twins separated at birth. Neither had any business callng the plays here.

HJam72
03-21-2006, 09:16 AM
I think Palmer's alright and agree that he was a scapegoat. I have no doubt that he was the best out of Capers (as HC), Fangio, Pendry, and himself (geez, what a list of losers) and I think he'll do alright in Dallas.

jerek
03-21-2006, 09:53 AM
I think Palmer's alright and agree that he was a scapegoat. I have no doubt that he was the best out of Capers (as HC), Fangio, Pendry, and himself (geez, what a list of losers) and I think he'll do alright in Dallas.

I am confused at all this Palmer support. Do you guys remember what he was calling prior to his cancellation? It was Joe Pendry with less deep routes, which is a sarcastic way of saying maybe one per quarter, let alone DC actually staying upright to make the throw.

In 2004, he did okay, but our defense was a hell of a lot better (Glenn, Sharper, or hustle, whichever) then so offensive inefficiency wasn't as noticed. Palmer and Pendry both did the run-run-RBpass, six end-arounds per game business. You might say, our O-line was bad, of course he couldn't set up any deep routes ... well, that is crap. Carr threw well on bootlegs/rollouts all freakin year long and we ran maybe one of those per game, and if it happened to be a play Carr did get hit on, well forget that, we went another six quarters w/o going back to it. Meanwhile, run-run-pass sure was getting the job done.

I don't have a statistical breakdown as to our playcalling, and I wish I did. I am just going on what I noticed and I can't tell you how many times I sat there and just shook my head/cringed/threw something because unthinkably, it was as if the guy was caught in repeat and oblivious to the fact that defenses had keyed into what he was doing two weeks ago in film session.

Better yet, the Chron reports that we let DC call his own plays and we put up 24 in a half (against a crappy D, yes, but how many other crappy Ds did we make look like Pro Bowl units this year?). Do the math. Palmer was no scapegoat, the thing is Pendry just wasn't any better. And I am so glad that we are going to have Kubiak doing things around here now.

Runner
03-21-2006, 09:59 AM
I am confused at all this Palmer support.


Palmer was better than Pendry. McKinney is a better guard than center. Hot dogs taste better than Spam. It's all relative.

The early 2005 offense was the Palmer offense as compromised by Capers/Pendry. The 2004 offense was Palmer's and featured more deep throws.

jerek
03-21-2006, 10:03 AM
Palmer was better than Pendry. McKinney is a better guard than center. Hot dogs taste better than Spam. It's all relative.

The early 2005 offense was the Palmer offense as compromised by Capers/Pendry. The 2004 offense was Palmer's and featured more deep throws.

Okay, if this is true (and I'm not telling you it's not - this is the first I've heard this spin put on it) ... lol might I inquire about the source?

Straight question: not accusing you of BS, just wondering where your intel is from.

Runner
03-21-2006, 10:11 AM
Okay, if this is true (and I'm not telling you it's not - this is the first I've heard this spin put on it) ... lol might I inquire about the source?

Straight question: not accusing you of BS, just wondering where your intel is from.

I did a taste test at Krogers. The hot dogs were definitely better than the Spam. Personal experience.

Oh wait - were you asking about the football?

I thought Palmer was known for his complicated read and adjust offenses. We can just look back at the stats to see we threw more long balls previous to 2005.

As far as Capers/Pendry undermining the Palmer offense, I think that the 2005 conservative offense was much more in line with their philosophy and that conservativism had noticeable effect on the "new" 2005 offense that was supposed to protect Carr.


I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on this - maybe my "common knowledge" isn't.

jerek
03-21-2006, 10:14 AM
I did a taste test at Krogers. The hot dogs were definitely better than the Spam. Personal experience.

Oh wait - were you asking about the football?

I thought Palmer was known for his complicated read and adjust offenses. We can just look back at the stats to see we threw more long balls previous to 2005.

As far as Capers/Pendry undermining the Palmer offense, I think that the 2005 conservative offense was much more in line with their philosophy and that conservativism had noticeable effect on the "new" 2005 offense that was supposed to protect Carr.


I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on this - maybe my "common knowledge" isn't.

Well regarding this, I don't have much knowledge. I am just speaking on what I see: if Capers and Co. were screwing with Palmer's O, then it's the first I'm hearing of it, but sure, it's a possibility. Certainly in 2004, our offense looked different ... so what changed?

Hot dogs are better than Spam. I also enjoy turkey franks. You ever seen hot dogs made? Will make you think twice about ever eating one again ... but not for long.

PokerStar
03-21-2006, 10:45 AM
From what I know of Palmer's Offense it is a pretty difficult offense to learn, but relatively successful when learned. In Cleveland he could not really get it to stick, but he has had success in other places. Palmer is a big fan of throwing the rock around, but he also puts his QBs in harms way with a lack of blockers and longer routes. Palmer was not the right fit for our organization and Pendry was horrible. Capers is a good coach, just may not be suited to be a HC. Glad we have Kubiak, Sherman, and Calhoun now. Should look like an aggressive Denver offense and that will be nice to see.