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LORK 88
03-18-2006, 04:24 PM
Texans | Team acquires Walter; Bengals fail to match offer sheet
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:29:29 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have declined to match to offer sheet made by the Houston Texans to restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter. He signed an offer sheet on a four-year, $6.4 million contract with the Texans. The Texans will owe the Bengals a seventh-round draft pick as compensation.

tulexan
03-18-2006, 04:26 PM
Is the next press conference a Walter, Putzier, and Flanagan press conference?

run-david-run
03-18-2006, 04:26 PM
Oh no, that seventh pick is practically a 6th round pick! :sarcasm:

badassBENGAL
03-18-2006, 04:27 PM
good for you. he could be a good WR for you guys.

Mightymike
03-18-2006, 04:28 PM
good for you. he could be a good WR for you guys.

could you tell us anything about him, like is he physcial, good hands, fast or what? does he have good attitude/character?

HoustonTexans
03-18-2006, 04:32 PM
^^ i dont think so, but if we get burleson, that would make our receivers:

Andre Johnson
Nate Burleson
Kevin Walter
Jerome Mathis
Armstrong

That looks pretty damn nice to me

run-david-run
03-18-2006, 04:34 PM
We can only hope to get Burelson. My above comment is a joke toward those who feel that our 3rd (practically second) round pick is to valuable to give up for a 1000 yd NFL receiver. I think the Walter signing is a good start, the Burelson signing would make this offseason much more bearable.

Dunta_23
03-18-2006, 04:45 PM
I like the signing...considering most 7th round picks never see what a football field looks like

bigTEXan8
03-18-2006, 05:00 PM
^^ i dont think so, but if we get burleson, that would make our receivers:

Andre Johnson
Nate Burleson
Kevin Walter
Jerome Mathis
Armstrong

That looks pretty damn nice to me

Well, if the Texans get Burleson, then I think that Walter and Armstrong switch off at the #3 spot:

1. AJ
2. Burleson
3. Walter/Armstrong
4. Mathis (who I think will be used more in situational passing plays)

No Burleson, I think Walter, Armstrong, and Mathis all switch out at the #2 spot.

Carr Bombed
03-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Well, if the Texans get Burleson, then I think that Walter and Armstrong switch off at the #3 spot:

1. AJ
2. Burleson
3. Walter/Armstrong
4. Mathis (who I think will be used more in situational passing plays)

No Burleson, I think Walter, Armstrong, and Mathis all switch out at the #2 spot.

If your going to list situational recievers then you have to throw Bush in there also, if we get him.

that will give us.

1. AJ
2. Burleson (if we get him)
3. Walter/Armstrong
4. Mathis/Bush (if we get him) on about the 10 recieving plays he should get a game

Then you throw in Putzier and DD and hopefully a improved Oline and I really like how this offense is comming together and the best thing is they will be very YOUNG.

HoustonFrog
03-18-2006, 05:29 PM
I still think they are leaning towards a 3rd rounder or so as a receiver pick. It isn't deep but they just really haven't been reaching for studs so far. Givens was close but they had their price. Burleson would be nice.

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 05:36 PM
Is the next press conference a Walter, Putzier, and Flanagan press conference?

Hopefully Burleson win join in there too :yahoo:

Ibar_Harry
03-18-2006, 05:37 PM
According to the Texans Web sit this guy has worked his way from being cut to in the line-up by working hard and becoming a good special teams player as well. They also mention that he was a good blocker as a WR in the C running game. This indeed looks like a good pickup. We will have one of the taller sets of WR's. Now, who do you pick in the draft - Davis of Bush? After all you do have a RB, but still no TE. I still think Bush is it, but you can make a case for Davis given the kind of QB Carr is.....

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 05:45 PM
I like the way he's got a good work ethic

Porky
03-18-2006, 06:08 PM
According to the Texans Web sit this guy has worked his way from being cut to in the line-up by working hard and becoming a good special teams player as well. They also mention that he was a good blocker as a WR in the C running game. This indeed looks like a good pickup. We will have one of the taller sets of WR's. Now, who do you pick in the draft - Davis of Bush? After all you do have a RB, but still no TE. I still think Bush is it, but you can make a case for Davis given the kind of QB Carr is.....

How many TE's have been the first pick in the draft? Ain't happening unless we trade down, which is very unlikely. All in all, I would say drafting Davis will happen when :pigfly:

STEEL BLUE TEXANS
03-18-2006, 06:08 PM
When I first read the title, I thought we had somehow gotten Walter Jones from Seattle. What a tease. lol

Mailman04
03-18-2006, 06:13 PM
The story I read in the Enquirer said if Cincy gets this other WR they won't match the offer sheet for Walter. Is that what you read because no where did I see where they definitely won't match it? Not doubting you, just asking where you read that in his article because article I saw was different.

Koolbrz
03-18-2006, 06:17 PM
Texans | Team acquires Walter; Bengals fail to match offer sheet
Sat, 18 Mar 2006 13:29:29 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports the Cincinnati Bengals have declined to match to offer sheet made by the Houston Texans to restricted free agent WR Kevin Walter. He signed an offer sheet on a four-year, $6.4 million contract with the Texans. The Texans will owe the Bengals a seventh-round draft pick as compensation.


Ok pick -up but we still need a #2 WR. Hopefully we can get Nate.

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 06:18 PM
The story I read in the Enquirer said if Cincy gets this other WR they won't match the offer sheet for Walter. Is that what you read because no where did I see where they definitely won't match it? Not doubting you, just asking where you read that in his article because article I saw was different.

If you go to kffl.com/hotw/nfl it's on there

Wolf
03-18-2006, 06:18 PM
Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis had the following comments about the team's decision not to match the Houston Texans offer sheet to WR Kevin Walter: "Kevin has been a fine player for us, and he deserves the opportunity he'll get in Houston to be a starting receiver," Lewis said. "But as we build our roster for the upcoming season, we believe it's in the best interest of our team to allocate these funds to another position."


http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

bckey
03-18-2006, 06:22 PM
The story I read in the Enquirer said if Cincy gets this other WR they won't match the offer sheet for Walter. Is that what you read because no where did I see where they definitely won't match it? Not doubting you, just asking where you read that in his article because article I saw was different.


Maybe you better read the entire thread.

Maddict5
03-18-2006, 06:26 PM
How many TE's have been the first pick in the draft? Ain't happening unless we trade down, which is very unlikely. All in all, I would say drafting Davis will happen when :pigfly:

how many TE's are workout warriors, have an excellent attitude, great hands, good blocker, runs a 4.38 40??
VD is my 3rd choice #1 pick and may slowly become my #2 choice.
VD is a beast and a playmaker-soon he will challenge gates for being the best TE in the league

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 06:39 PM
Kellen Winslow was selected 3rd overall...we all know how that's gone so far.

Maddict5
03-18-2006, 06:55 PM
Kellen Winslow was selected 3rd overall...we all know how that's gone so far.

#1-winslow isnt a bust yet- he broke his leg and was an *** last year.
#2-if you're implying winslows a bust, please name a position that hasnt had a high pick bust- except C who are never high picks-and even faine @ #21 could be considered a bust using your logic

Texan in Japan
03-18-2006, 07:11 PM
Kellen Winslow was selected 3rd overall...we all know how that's gone so far.

He was #6 in 2004 draft.

Honoring Earl 34
03-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Would anyone give our 2nd pick for Winslow ?

Texas
03-18-2006, 07:23 PM
This guy is pretty good. He has decent speed, good agility, good hands, and hes tough to take down. I like the pickup. Hopefully we can get a #2. This guy is alot similar to Gaffney and will probably be used in a similar manner.

badassBENGAL
03-18-2006, 07:28 PM
could you tell us anything about him, like is he physcial, good hands, fast or what? does he have good attitude/character?

He was one of our more physcial WRs. He will go up to fight for the ball and has VERY reliable hands. Average speed and acceleration, but a good route runner. One of the nicest guys I've met on the team, so no character issues to worry about.

disaacks3
03-18-2006, 07:35 PM
how many TE's are workout warriors, have an excellent attitude, great hands, good blocker, runs a 4.38 40??
VD is my 3rd choice #1 pick and may slowly become my #2 choice.
VD is a beast and a playmaker-soon he will challenge gates for being the best TE in the league

I can hear the chants now....

We Want V.D.

Give us V.D.

Texans get V.D.

V.D. for me!

Are you ready for V.D?

:rofl:

MorKnolle
03-18-2006, 07:45 PM
I see we overpayed another guy. $1.6 million a year? I can't blame the Bengals for not matching that offer. He had 30 catches in 3 years in the league and we're giving him that much money as if he's going to be our #2 WR? I really don't like that. I have been saying we need a bigger WR target and he is listed at 6'3", 215 lbs., but he ran a 4.65 40 and obviously has below average speed, and has not proven much of anything as far as being a quality WR. We do need depth at WR, but we could have kept Gaffney for this kind of money, probably even less, and without giving up a draft pick (yes it's only a 7th rounder, but you could probably find a WR as good as Walters there). I don't understand this move.

TMac48
03-18-2006, 07:47 PM
I can hear the chants now....

We Want V.D.

Give us V.D.

Texans get V.D.

V.D. for me!

Are you ready for V.D?

:rofl:
Priceless...

Buzz
03-18-2006, 07:48 PM
Walter kind of reminds me of Joe Jurevicius, just not as good. Maybe he can make some of the same kind of plays, jumping up and grabbing throws for tds.

Kookus
03-18-2006, 08:04 PM
I see we overpayed another guy. $1.6 million a year? I can't blame the Bengals for not matching that offer. He had 30 catches in 3 years in the league and we're giving him that much money as if he's going to be our #2 WR? I really don't like that. I have been saying we need a bigger WR target and he is listed at 6'3", 215 lbs., but he ran a 4.65 40 and obviously has below average speed, and has not proven much of anything as far as being a quality WR. We do need depth at WR, but we could have kept Gaffney for this kind of money, probably even less, and without giving up a draft pick (yes it's only a 7th rounder, but you could probably find a WR as good as Walters there). I don't understand this move.

I agree with you, it just seems like we keep adding overpaid mediocre at best talent to fill glaring needs on our team.

"Despite that fact, Walter delivered career highs in catches (19), receiving yards (211) and touchdowns (1) this past season. He also proved to be a solid blocker in the Bengals’ 11th-ranked rushing offense, and was one of the team's best special teams players.

The 255th overall pick by the New York Giants out of Eastern Michigan, Walter was waived by New York at the end of his rookie training camp. The Bengals acquired him on waivers, and Walter was on the practice squad for five games before being activated to the 53-man roster. He caught three passes for 18 yards in 2003, and followed that performance with eight grabs for 67 yards in 2004."

THIS GUY IS A SCRUB! STOP THE PAIN! GET SOME PLAYERS WHO ACTUALLY MAKE A TEAM!

TheOgre
03-18-2006, 08:22 PM
Walter is a solid #3 guy. We still need our #2 man. Burleson for a 3rd works for me.

Wharton
03-18-2006, 08:55 PM
So how is this an improvement over Gaffney?

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 09:44 PM
He was #6 in 2004 draft.
Wow have I screwed up my facts today :brickwall :lol:

#1-winslow isnt a bust yet- he broke his leg and was an *** last year.
#2-if you're implying winslows a bust, please name a position that hasnt had a high pick bust- except C who are never high picks-and even faine @ #21 could be considered a bust using your logic

I'm not trying to imply that Winslow was a bust. I'm just saying that we don't need to draft a TE with the first pick of the draft. I think he would help out our team, but do I think he would help us out as much as A.J. Hawk or Mario Williams...no. I think we can select Leonard Pope or Marcedes Lewis with our second rounder and they are also very good TE's in this year's draft.

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 09:45 PM
So how is this an improvement over Gaffney?

It's not... The improvement is coming though...hopefully...in Burleson

the wonger need food
03-18-2006, 09:50 PM
Whew-hoo???

1.6 mill per for a special teamer/4th string receiver. Don't they already have a guy like this (making about 1 million less) playing in NFLE named Kendrick Starling?

YoungTexanFan
03-18-2006, 10:12 PM
Whew-hoo???

1.6 mill per for a special teamer/4th string receiver. Don't they already have a guy like this (making about 1 million less) playing in NFLE named Kendrick Starling?

And we have our 4th round draft pick from last year who happens to have the same role, but be proven at special teams.

Maddict5
03-18-2006, 10:19 PM
Wow have I screwed up my facts today :brickwall :lol:



I'm not trying to imply that Winslow was a bust. I'm just saying that we don't need to draft a TE with the first pick of the draft. I think he would help out our team, but do I think he would help us out as much as A.J. Hawk or Mario Williams...no. I think we can select Leonard Pope or Marcedes Lewis with our second rounder and they are also very good TE's in this year's draft.

or we could get D'Quell Jackson or Hali/Kiwi if theyv fall-or just use babin...

JAXwithanX
03-19-2006, 12:14 AM
I don't know if you guys understand this whole scouting coach process.....but just because one team didn't want to throw to him a lot....doesn't mean he won't fit ours perfectly. Cincy isn't exactly a real running/short yardage possession passing team. He is lucky he got that many receptions on a team that deep with WR's and their offensive game. You have to take the other team a guy was with in mind....and trust the fact the coaches believe he can be used.

JAXwithanX
03-19-2006, 12:18 AM
....and i hope all this talk about drafting V. Davis instead of Bush also is incorporating the idea of trading down. If not you'd be out of your ****ing mind to think we'd use the first pick on a TE....not to mention over a player like Bush.

utahmark
03-19-2006, 12:23 AM
Whew-hoo???

1.6 mill per for a special teamer/4th string receiver. Don't they already have a guy like this (making about 1 million less) playing in NFLE named Kendrick Starling?

cincy's recievers were a little better than ours. just cause he was a 4 for them doesnt mean he will be 4th on our depth chart. plus every thing i read said he has improved every year in the league.

taxman
03-19-2006, 12:45 AM
I see we overpayed another guy. $1.6 million a year? I can't blame the Bengals for not matching that offer. He had 30 catches in 3 years in the league and we're giving him that much money as if he's going to be our #2 WR? I really don't like that. I have been saying we need a bigger WR target and he is listed at 6'3", 215 lbs., but he ran a 4.65 40 and obviously has below average speed, and has not proven much of anything as far as being a quality WR. We do need depth at WR, but we could have kept Gaffney for this kind of money, probably even less, and without giving up a draft pick (yes it's only a 7th rounder, but you could probably find a WR as good as Walters there). I don't understand this move.

I'm the new guy in town, however, if you want the truth, at his pro day, he chose to perform at Northwestern in Illinois. He ran a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40 yd dash. He is a very sincere guy, with good hands, great character, and I wish him the best of luck. Congrats Kevin.:

bckey
03-19-2006, 01:03 AM
I'm the new guy in town, however, if you want the truth, at his pro day, he chose to perform at Northwestern in Illinois. He ran a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40 yd dash. He is a very sincere guy, with good hands, great character, and I wish him the best of luck. Congrats Kevin.:

Thanks for the great info and welcome to the bb. :)

Mightymike
03-19-2006, 01:27 AM
I'm the new guy in town, however, if you want the truth, at his pro day, he chose to perform at Northwestern in Illinois. He ran a 4.43 and a 4.47 in the 40 yd dash. He is a very sincere guy, with good hands, great character, and I wish him the best of luck. Congrats Kevin.:

thanks for the info and welcome to H-TOWN

rittenhouserobz
03-19-2006, 04:56 AM
I congratulate the player who has worked hard to achieve success. This makes me wonder. Was this a Kubiak pick? I do hope that we get Burelson at this point. I do think we have players like Walter already. There must be something about Walter that made the Texans staff like him. I think I will wait and see.

Number19
03-19-2006, 09:39 AM
Some good comments in the previous posts. Here's his 2003 write-up.

( Draft Insider's Digest )
Kevin Walter - 6'-3" - 220# - sp, 4.55

Big, athletic receiver displayed fine playmaking ability over his career in the MAC, earning raves from NFL scouts about his natural receiving skills. He is a big sturdy wideout with large hands and the ability to adjust nicely to the pass. He is a straightline runner who lacks the extra gear to get deep consistantly, though is considered a quality possession receiver for the next level. He is a good athlete who tested out well in the pro day in March '01 when he ran a 4.5 time, 30" vertical leap, 390# bench press and a 490# back squat. He is an intriguing athlete with an excellant size/speed ratio for the position. He has a big frame that allows him to carry 220 lbs easily without sacrificing speed. As a senior, he responded with a huge performance, including 92 catches for 1359 yds and 9 TD catches. He has adequate quickness off the line of scrimmage and average separation in and out of his breaks. He has good leaping ability and the ability and the agility to win most jump ball situations. He has very good hands and shows improvement as a route runner over his final season. He displays natural pass catching ability and is most effective on the short crossing, out and fade routes. As a receiver, he needs to read defenses better and develop a feel for the soft spots in coverage. He also needs to learn how to come back to the ball quicker when the passer is in trouble. He is still considered a solid possession receiver with well-developed talent to contribute early in his pro career. Good athlete with tools to help in three and four wideout sets. Solid late round pick with the talent and developement to make roster.

( Pro Football Weekly )
Positives: Has excellent size, is big and strong with large, strong hands and will take ball away from the defender. Deceptive speed. Catches the ball well and can adjust to the poorly-thrown pass. Improves every year.

Negatves: Lacks quickness, explosiveness and suddenness. May have trouble getting separation on the next level. Looks a little stiff at times. Is not really fluid getting into and out of his breaks and can't accelerate into or out of his breaks. Has rarely faced an NFL-caliber cornerback. Questionable skills as a blocker.

Summary: Will have a chance to catch on if he goes to a team that wants a big, strong possession catcher that can contribute on special teams. May be best as an H-back or tight end because of his lack of speed.

bigTEXan8
03-19-2006, 10:14 AM
If your going to list situational recievers then you have to throw Bush in there also, if we get him.

that will give us.

1. AJ
2. Burleson (if we get him)
3. Walter/Armstrong
4. Mathis/Bush (if we get him) on about the 10 recieving plays he should get a game

Then you throw in Putzier and DD and hopefully a improved Oline and I really like how this offense is comming together and the best thing is they will be very YOUNG.

I'm still hoping that we don't pick Bush.

Doom Capers
03-19-2006, 10:32 AM
Holy cow. This is good news. I remember watching the Bengals Steelers playoff game and seeing this guy do well. He is a big guy. I thought he was their #2 tight end. I had no idea he was a WR.

bigTEXan8
03-19-2006, 10:41 AM
I hope that Walters can be the Texans' Joe Jurivicious. Get open, catch the ball when thrown to him, and make plays. He doesn't need to be the fastest, strongest, just make plays.

David's Busted Carr
03-19-2006, 10:59 AM
Alright! We have our #4 WR all locked up! Now if we can just get a legit #2 and #3 WR we'd be set....

bigTEXan8
03-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Alright! We have our #4 WR all locked up! Now if we can just get a legit #2 and #3 WR we'd be set....

Well I think that Walter cna be the #3 provided the Texans get Burleson, but that's a big if.

Mightymike
03-19-2006, 11:03 AM
Well I think that Walter cna be the #3 provided the Texans get Burleson, but that's a big if.

If we don't get burleson or hilliard, then we will have like 3 #4 recievers and no #2. we'd be in bad shape

PapaL
03-19-2006, 11:06 AM
Sounds like he is in the Joe Juerivious (sp?) mold. Big guy that can catch the middle, not afraid of going over the middle. We can only hope he develops into that type player. Good signing I say.

Vinny
03-19-2006, 11:36 AM
Excellent signing and I'm very happy we landed him. I picked him up for a few weeks on my dynasty team and I made it a point to watch him in a few games last year due to that. He will end up a fan favorite here. I'm not happy about the offseason much as a whole but I am really pleased with this one. I think this guy is going to be good here in this offense.

tulexan
03-19-2006, 11:40 AM
Sounds like just what we need. A possession receiver who can help us keep drives going. You can't have a team full of deep threats. You have to have guys who can and are willing to do the dirty work and get first downs. Hopefully Putzier and Walters can be those guys for us. They should be able to complement our playmakers (Bush and Johnson) well.

trutexan67
03-19-2006, 12:03 PM
Sounds like just what we need. A possession receiver who can help us keep drives going. You can't have a team full of deep threats. You have to have guys who can and are willing to do the dirty work and get first downs. Hopefully Putzier and Walters can be those guys for us. They should be able to complement our playmakers (Bush and Johnson) well.
I totally agree with you on that...

PokerStar
03-19-2006, 12:06 PM
Excellent signing and I'm very happy we landed him. I picked him up for a few weeks on my dynasty team and I made it a point to watch him in a few games last year due to that. He will end up a fan favorite here. I'm not happy about the offseason much as a whole but I am really pleased with this one. I think this guy is going to be good here in this offense.

Vinny with you on this one. As you watched the game didnt he remind you of a Joe Jurevicious or Ed McCaffrey just still learning the position. I think he will excel here and put up the same type of numbers Gaff did. Hopefully Carr, AJ, and Mathis are working their asses off. Mainly Mathis the kid has the talent to be a stud, but I want to see the heart and work ethic.

beerlover
03-19-2006, 12:17 PM
seems to satisfy a need so taking a WR high in the draft is no longer necessary. :)

O.G.
03-19-2006, 12:24 PM
Vinny with you on this one. As you watched the game didnt he remind you of a Joe Jurevicious or Ed McCaffrey just still learning the position. I think he will excel here and put up the same type of numbers Gaff did. Hopefully Carr, AJ, and Mathis are working their asses off. Mainly Mathis the kid has the talent to be a stud, but I want to see the heart and work ethic.

I actually think we will put up better numbers than Gaffney did. I also hope that Mathis working hard as well. Was watching the NFL channel with the special on the bears. They spoke with Will Gault. Man his speed was unreal (4.03 in the 40) but he was flopping all over the place. Don't want Mathis to be like that.

O.G.
03-19-2006, 12:26 PM
seems to satisfy a need so taking a WR high in the draft is no longer necessary. :)

Yes it does, but I'd still like to see Chad Jackson fall to them with one of their picks.

PokerStar
03-19-2006, 12:26 PM
beerlover, first off love the name a case of heineken or Norwegian black ale and some Hennessey(dont know if I spelled that right) is the recipe for a good time.

Second, I agree, eventhough I would like to see us take Brandon Marshall in the 3rd. That would give us a stud in AJ, two tall receivers in Marshall and Walter, eventhough Marshall is much more athletic, and a speedster in mathis and hopefully not Bush but Bush. Armstrong is that sweet possession receiver that just cannot create enough seperation for me. I think we should have let him walk, but if he can crack the roster and work on his breaks he will turn into a solid guy.

jacquescas
03-19-2006, 01:10 PM
I like it, but I'd like Burleson more.

TexanFan881
03-19-2006, 01:18 PM
Yes it does, but I'd still like to see Chad Jackson fall to them with one of their picks.

I hope he can fall to us in the second round, but I doubt that.

PapaL
03-19-2006, 01:20 PM
I hope he can fall to us in the second round, but I doubt that.

Stranger things have happened. We all remember Portis being a 2nd rounder.

O.G.
03-19-2006, 02:30 PM
I hope he can fall to us in the second round, but I doubt that.
Same here, if he does and we pass on him, I would have to question Charlie.....imagine the size we would have at our 1st, 2nd and 3rd Receivers....man. I also wouldn't mind Burleson here either and give up our second 3rd is well worth it to me.

O.G.
03-19-2006, 02:32 PM
Stranger things have happened. We all remember Portis being a 2nd rounder.
I remember that oh too well, I broke my TV set after the pic was announced. Also, can anyone remember last year......Derrick Johnson. There was no way he was suppose to slip to the Texans and what happened...

El Amigo Invisible
03-19-2006, 02:52 PM
We got TJ? What a joke! DJ has gotten faster and stronger ...............aghhhhhh!! It makes me sick!

Wolf
03-19-2006, 03:04 PM
We got TJ? What a joke! DJ has gotten faster and stronger ...............aghhhhhh!! It makes me sick!


I'll wait for my judgement till we use the 2nd 3rd round pick..before I make any opinions

bATXle red
03-19-2006, 03:09 PM
We got TJ? What a joke! DJ has gotten faster and stronger ...............aghhhhhh!! It makes me sick!

TJ's gotten fatter and stronger :woot2

bigTEXan8
03-19-2006, 04:05 PM
I think that Walter will make an excellent posession WR, which is something the Texans, I felt, didn't have last year.

JAXwithanX
03-19-2006, 04:12 PM
I'll wait for my judgement till we use the 2nd 3rd round pick..before I make any opinions

Yeah i'm not the hugest Casserly fan but i agree with watching what we do with the picks....if we give up a 3rd and get Burleson....we came out on top already. DJ was better than TJ last year....but its not like he was unbelievable. I mean i go to UT so i was pretty excited when he fell to us too. But soon realized that he didn't fit in our def. scheme. And you can't blame the GM for addressing that. No one saw last season coming and the fact we would be switching to a scheme that needed an elite MLB.

kingh99
03-19-2006, 07:45 PM
These picks are being made to compliment Reggie Bush's break away game. Think of Walter the downfield blocker first, possession receiver second. The people this staff are getting have the attributes needed to exploit Bush's open field skills - big rangy receivers and tight ends ready to mix it up and nail the break away block for example. Pretty exciting stuff.

MojoX
03-19-2006, 07:58 PM
These picks are being made to compliment Reggie Bush's break away game. Think of Walter the downfield blocker first, possession receiver second. The people this staff are getting have the attributes needed to exploit Bush's open field skills - big rangy receivers and tight ends ready to mix it up and nail the break away block for example. Pretty exciting stuff.
These changes also benefit DD. But it does look like... fertile soil Bush.:spy:

Runner
03-19-2006, 07:59 PM
These picks are being made to compliment Reggie Bush's break away game. Think of Walter the downfield blocker first, possession receiver second. The people this staff are getting have the attributes needed to exploit Bush's open field skills - big rangy receivers and tight ends ready to mix it up and nail the break away block for example. Pretty exciting stuff.

This is an interesting point, made more so by it's being a fresh view. I kept wondering why reviews always mentioned his blocking skills, which is kind of an odd thing to stress for a receiver. I never made the connection. He might end up making a good block or two for Dre on one of his "catch and runs" too".

TexanFan881
03-19-2006, 08:19 PM
I never really thought about it having to do with Reggie Bush but when I read his profile and it said he was a good blocker I did think that he might be here to help the running game a little bit.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-19-2006, 10:10 PM
I agree with you, it just seems like we keep adding overpaid mediocre at best talent to fill glaring needs on our team.

"Despite that fact, Walter delivered career highs in catches (19), receiving yards (211) and touchdowns (1) this past season. He also proved to be a solid blocker in the Bengals’ 11th-ranked rushing offense, and was one of the team's best special teams players.

The 255th overall pick by the New York Giants out of Eastern Michigan, Walter was waived by New York at the end of his rookie training camp. The Bengals acquired him on waivers, and Walter was on the practice squad for five games before being activated to the 53-man roster. He caught three passes for 18 yards in 2003, and followed that performance with eight grabs for 67 yards in 2004."

THIS GUY IS A SCRUB! STOP THE PAIN! GET SOME PLAYERS WHO ACTUALLY MAKE A TEAM!

First before you call a guy a SCRUB do some research, If you are a true football knowledge guru about who makes a team or how a player makes it in the NFL.

I have read some of these threads and many are great and realize what kind of player you are getting in the STEAL of a deal.

First of all this guy is 6'4" plays around 212-218 lbs. He runs between a 4.4 and a 4.45 on average. Has AWESOME hands. He is a physical player, when he came out of college he was benching over 400lbs. That is LINEMAN strength.

The only reason he was let go in NY is rookie year if you know anything about the Giants they had 9 WRs in training camp and that included locks in 3 positions with Hilliard, Toomer, and Carter, leaving 6 guys to fight for 1/2 spots and one of those spots was a Return guy. not great odds there.

There was a reason he did not last 24 hours on the waiver wire and was picked up by the Bengals and moved to the starting 53 man roster within weeks of learning their system (NOT MAKE A TEAM, HMMM). Again playing behind superstars, #1 WR in NFL Chad Johnson, lets not for get TJ. The Bengals drafted Kelly Washington in the early rounds (BUST). A true professional finds a way to contribute any way possible to help the team win.

He became the Bengals ACE on special teams as a gunner and always one of the first down field dispute being double teamed at the line of scrimmage. A professional waits for his number to be called and when it is HE SHINES. That is what Kevin did in Cinci, including being a major player in the playoff game in the first round when they lost Carson and another WR in the first play of the game on offense. Did Cinci go to Kelly Washington (high round draft pick), NO they went to a reliable confident player KEVIN WALTER.

He does not ask for much, but he will give you all his heart when he is on that field to WIN. If you look at Kevin's stats you will see almost all of his receptions moved the chains, that is why he is compared to a Joe Jerivicous and an Ed McCaffrey.

I believe he will be your #2 by the time the season starts and if you guys get Carr some time to let his plays develop before he is on his rear (durable guy as many times as he has been sacked in his short career), you will see an offense that will produce and better yet WIN GAMES!!!

Kevin will be a workout warrior like you all like.

Your WR core is much much better with the addition of Kevin. I am a big fan of AJ and Kevin will help with those double and triple teams on AJ and if they don't teams will get burned until they respect Kevin and then AJ will be in the Probowl again!!! and again!!!

Ibar_Harry
03-19-2006, 10:24 PM
First before you call a guy a SCRUB do some research, If you are a true football knowledge guru about who makes a team or how a player makes it in the NFL.

I have read some of these threads and many are great and realize what kind of player you are getting in the STEAL of a deal.

First of all this guy is 6'4" plays around 212-218 lbs. He runs between a 4.4 and a 4.45 on average. Has AWESOME hands. He is a physical player, when he came out of college he was benching over 400lbs. That is LINEMAN strength.

The only reason he was let go in NY is rookie year if you know anything about the Giants they had 9 WRs in training camp and that included locks in 3 positions with Hilliard, Toomer, and Carter, leaving 6 guys to fight for 1/2 spots and one of those spots was a Return guy. not great odds there.

There was a reason he did not last 24 hours on the waiver wire and was picked up by the Bengals and moved to the starting 53 man roster within weeks of learning their system (NOT MAKE A TEAM, HMMM). Again playing behind superstars, #1 WR in NFL Chad Johnson, lets not for get TJ. The Bengals drafted Kelly Washington in the early rounds (BUST). A true professional finds a way to contribute any way possible to help the team win.

He became the Bengals ACE on special teams as a gunner and always one of the first down field dispute being double teamed at the line of scrimmage. A professional waits for his number to be called and when it is HE SHINES. That is what Kevin did in Cinci, including being a major player in the playoff game in the first round when they lost Carson and another WR in the first play of the game on offense. Did Cinci go to Kelly Washington (high round draft pick), NO they went to a reliable confident player KEVIN WALTER.

He does not ask for much, but he will give you all his heart when he is on that field to WIN. If you look at Kevin's stats you will see almost all of his receptions moved the chains, that is why he is compared to a Joe Jerivicous and an Ed McCaffrey.

I believe he will be your #2 by the time the season starts and if you guys get Carr some time to let his plays develop before he is on his rear (durable guy as many times as he has been sacked in his short career), you will see an offense that will produce and better yet WIN GAMES!!!

Kevin will be a workout warrior like you all like.

Your WR core is much much better with the addition of Kevin. I am a big fan of AJ and Kevin will help with those double and triple teams on AJ and if they don't teams will get burned until they respect Kevin and then AJ will be in the Probowl again!!! and again!!!

I agree with you, I just don't get it. The guy is a possession receiver and he's bigger than those we let go. He's a blocker as well and that fits in with AJ and the probable 1st round pick of Bush. Yes, they can catch the ball and can get yardage after the catch, but they can also spring a back like Reggie. Neither one is really slow either.

Despite that they think this was a Casserly pick instead of a Kubiak want. I keep saying on paper we are looking very exciting. The main question will be chemistry. We have not had it the last couple of years, but I blame that also on the coaches. I think there is an enthusiasm throughout the organization and the coaches are a big part of that to start with. I can't wait for the draft and the start of TC. We all could have big smiles on our faces this year if it goes our way.

Offensively we could be a handful this year. I think our major problems will be with our defense. Its difficult to take care of both at the same time and our defense aged before its time. I maintain the injuries in Year 2 did us in and we are still recovering from that debacle.

I would hope with a new coaching staff and regiment we will see fewer injuries this year. I still feel we are having way too many injuries. That is a gut feel. The weight room can build muscles, but it can also tear them down. There is a happy medium.......

z0rpAn
03-20-2006, 11:27 AM
Walters sounds like a guy that would be an awesome TE if converted.

Vinny
03-20-2006, 11:28 AM
Walters sounds like a guy that would be an awesome TE if converted.
TE's need to be able to block and take on front-7 defenders.

bigTEXan8
03-20-2006, 11:59 AM
Walters sounds like a guy that would be similar to Joe Jurivicious.

Texas
03-20-2006, 12:05 PM
Walters sounds like a guy that would be similar to Joe Jurivicious.


Agreed 100%

LBC_Justin
03-20-2006, 01:06 PM
Did we overpay for Walter? who knows....hmmm....How much did the Lions pay stonehands Corey Bradford?

I went to the bengals forums and not a single person was happy to see Walters leaving. They also kept talking about what great hands he has (Don't hear that very often about a Texans' Wideout.) That is good news for us. I am VERY happy with this pick up.

Yeah he was the #4 reciever on the bengals last year. But based on last years performance Andre Johnson would have been the #3 guy on that team.

People need to relax on the whole Casserly issue. Kubiak is the main guy calling the shots on who we pick up, and Casserly is helping to get the players Kubiak wants.

If we have a bad season Casserly is gone. Period. So I don't see how this is a big deal. If we win he stays, and maybe, just maybe we might realize Capers was a big part of our losing. Casserly hasn't done that bad in the draft for us, compared to how other teams have done the last few years. As a Horns fan I haven't always been happy with his picks (on an emotional level), but I can see the logic and the almost always make good football sense.

Runner
03-20-2006, 01:10 PM
Yeah he was the #4 reciever on the bengals last year. But based on last years performance Andre Johnson would have been the #3 guy on that team.



Nice example.

jerek
03-20-2006, 01:13 PM
Did we overpay for Walter? who knows....hmmm....How much did the Lions pay stonehands Corey Bradford?

I went to the bengals forums and not a single person was happy to see Walters leaving. They also kept talking about what great hands he has (Don't hear that very often about a Texans' Wideout.) That is good news for us. I am VERY happy with this pick up.

Yeah he was the #4 reciever on the bengals last year. But based on last years performance Andre Johnson would have been the #3 guy on that team.

People need to relax on the whole Casserly issue. Kubiak is the main guy calling the shots on who we pick up, and Casserly is helping to get the players Kubiak wants.

If we have a bad season Casserly is gone. Period. So I don't see how this is a big deal. If we win he stays, and maybe, just maybe we might realize Capers was a big part of our losing. Casserly hasn't done that bad in the draft for us, compared to how other teams have done the last few years. As a Horns fan I haven't always been happy with his picks (on an emotional level), but I can see the logic and the almost always make good football sense.

Sounds good. All I know about the guy is last year's statline, but having not seen him myself, I wouldn't claim to know. By all accounts I'm reading here, he is a character guy with size and ability to boot. I hope he is as good as he is being pumped up to be here, and at the end of the day, I am trusting our new FO is doing their homework. Will look forward to seeing the finished product in action ... September literally cannot be here fast enough.

Hawg
03-20-2006, 01:26 PM
So what the deal with this Nate Burleson guy the name is farmiliar but what does he bring to table for us if we were to pick him up. Also are there rumors of any talks between the Texans and Burleson.

bigTEXan8
03-20-2006, 01:28 PM
So what the deal with this Nate Burleson guy the name is farmiliar but what does he ring to table for if we were to pick him up. Also are there rumors of any talks between the Texans and Burleson.

He played for Nevada in college, then was drafted by the Vikings, had a break out year 2, year 3 was hampered by injuries.

phan1
03-20-2006, 06:06 PM
Wow, we're getting pretty deep at WR.

Hopefully, Mathis will ge the chance to see some action at WR still. I think he could have a tremendous upside if we give him some time. But it's also good for him to compete with some really good WR. Let's just hope he's not a 1-trick pony.

GrandPa
03-20-2006, 06:55 PM
Why are you so happy about this pickup???

Corey Bradford: 34-436-5
Jabbar Gaffney: 55-492-2
Kevin Walter: 19-211-1

Also in all 3 of my 12 team, 53 man roster FF leagues Mathis, Armstrong, Gaffney and Bradford were all on a roster...

Walter was not on any team in any league...

Yeah I know it is only fantasy football, but in FF you pick players that will produce points, a WR produces points by catching passes, making yardage and scoring touchdowns. He did none of these...

While I like the new coach I very much dislike Casserly and hope the Texans do better with the rookie draft than they have in FA...

Their record in drafting rookies is pitiful but not nearly as bad as their record in free agency...

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-20-2006, 10:23 PM
Why are you so happy about this pickup???

Corey Bradford: 34-436-5
Jabbar Gaffney: 55-492-2
Kevin Walter: 19-211-1

Also in all 3 of my 12 team, 53 man roster FF leagues Mathis, Armstrong, Gaffney and Bradford were all on a roster...

Walter was not on any team in any league...

Yeah I know it is only fantasy football, but in FF you pick players that will produce points, a WR produces points by catching passes, making yardage and scoring touchdowns. He did none of these...

While I like the new coach I very much dislike Casserly and hope the Texans do better with the rookie draft than they have in FA...

Their record in drafting rookies is pitiful but not nearly as bad as their record in free agency...


Actually unless you are starting 4 or 5 WR both of the guys you put above Kevin Suck fantasy wise. Not to mention most of those cam when the Texans were trailing by large number and late in games according to situational stats.

I learned a long time ago you draft with your head, not your heart. These two guys also had opportunities more than Kevin.

When the Texans were behind they played many 3 and some 4 WR sets. Cinci mostly played 2 WR sets (do you know what that means.... The #1 WR in the NFL chad johnson and TJ were on the field.) because the Bengals had the lead.

Noone said to do back flips for Kevin coming there, at least not yet. What you need is CONSISTANT, disciplined players that can contribute and take some pressure not only off PROBOWLER AJ, but also CARR now that he will have someone to throw to. and will catch the ball, fight for extra yards... and did I mention having 2 6'4" guys in the end zone, what are defenders going to do when AJ goes one way and Kevin goes the other and Carr can now have the confidence of two BIG great hand targets in the RED ZONE.

LBC_Justin
03-21-2006, 10:38 AM
Why are you so happy about this pickup???

Corey Bradford: 34-436-5
Jabbar Gaffney: 55-492-2
Kevin Walter: 19-211-1

Also in all 3 of my 12 team, 53 man roster FF leagues Mathis, Armstrong, Gaffney and Bradford were all on a roster...

Walter was not on any team in any league...

Yeah I know it is only fantasy football, but in FF you pick players that will produce points, a WR produces points by catching passes, making yardage and scoring touchdowns. He did none of these...

While I like the new coach I very much dislike Casserly and hope the Texans do better with the rookie draft than they have in FA...

Their record in drafting rookies is pitiful but not nearly as bad as their record in free agency...
Stats don't tell the whole story.

Fantasy Football is a joke when it comes to evaluating players. Might as well just turn on an Xbox and load up Madden to see how good players are going to be. LOL.

Walter is a guy like Keshawn Johnson minus the attitude problems. He is a big guy that can go over the middle and open up the outside for your "star" recievers. Walter is the kind of guy that can get a keep a drive alive with a key first down or make a big block. Do they keep track of that in fantasy football? I don't think so. Walter is the kind of guy who will do the stuff that is not sexy, but helps the team.

Is he a block buster signing? No. But he is one more step in moving this franchise in a positive direction.

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-21-2006, 11:19 AM
Stats don't tell the whole story.

Fantasy Football is a joke when it comes to evaluating players. Might as well just turn on an Xbox and load up Madden to see how good players are going to be. LOL.

Walter is a guy like Keshawn Johnson minus the attitude problems. He is a big guy that can go over the middle and open up the outside for your "star" recievers. Walter is the kind of guy that can get a keep a drive alive with a key first down or make a big block. Do they keep track of that in fantasy football? I don't think so. Walter is the kind of guy who will do the stuff that is not sexy, but helps the team.

Is he a block buster signing? No. But he is one more step in moving this franchise in a positive direction.


Great post from a knowledge filled football fan!!! GO TEXANS!!!

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-21-2006, 12:58 PM
I was gonna say the same about you. Thanks for the informative post. I think he will be a Steve Tasker type WR but bigger of course.


This is going to sound crazy and the crack pipe is really empty when I say this.

If you look at the additions made thus far with free agancy and healthy players coming back, I do not think they are going to "chase" a WR for the #2 spot right now. I truely believe they think they have a legitimate #2 in Walter and Mathis to compete and if Kevin is #2 and Mathis #3, what is so bad with that lineup and vice versa. Not to mention you add in the mix Putzier!!!

Besides, I do not think they offered Kevin money like they did without knowing the Bengals would not match and no other teams would jump over them. The coaching staff sees some major value there. Is he an AJ, not yet, Could he be, maybe. Kevin will definitely benefit from continuing development from a class act Probowler like AJ. I believe he is suppose to get into Texas today sometime and is excited to get into the workouts and meet his new team!! On the flip side if AJ helps Kevin get better that is going to allow AJ to shine and get back tot he ProBowl. and if that happens guess what, all the Carr bashing minimizes!!! Everyone is happy!!!


It is good to be greedy and want the moon, but at some point you have to realize, especially if Bush is coming here, we need to build a depth of quality players. Hmmm do you see a modeling here of a Superbowl team of recent... Patriots!!!

the wonger need food
03-21-2006, 01:17 PM
Not to mention you add in the mix Putzier!!!

Don't forget to throw Bush in the slot 10-15 plays a game. That is the key dimension to the offense this season.

I'm dreaming of 4 wideout sets and an offensive line blocking 4, maybe even 5 pass rushers. Big Dave looking all over the field and avoiding a defender or two that sneak by the line. I'm having visions of run and shoot... Tech's spread offense... the 2002 St. Louis Rams... no the 2000 Rams. Please don't wake me....

Bearfan Blue and Orange
03-22-2006, 08:52 AM
March 19, 2006, 12:15AM
Texans win fight for Walter
Bengals decide not to match offer to retain receiver


By MEGAN MANFULL
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

After a week of waiting, wide receiver Kevin Walter finally was able to make plans. Six days after the Texans offered Walter a four-year deal worth $6.4 million, the Cincinnati Bengals announced they would not match the offer sheet.

"My wife and I were waiting all week," said Walter, whose deal includes a $2 million signing bonus. "We were on pins and needles all week, trying to figure out if we were going back to Cincinnati or heading to Houston. We are very excited."

The Texans must compensate the Bengals by giving them their seventh-round choice in next month's draft. Walter is their latest free-agent addition, but he likely won't be their last. They have several free agents to meet with this week, including wide receivers Ike Hilliard and Nate Burleson, tight end Jeb Putzier and middle linebacker Sam Cowart.

Walter expects to join the Texans on Tuesday — one day after the team officially begins its offseason training program.

In three seasons with the Bengals, Walter started two games and caught 30 passes for 296 yards (9.9 yards per catch). He had his best season in 2005, catching 19 passes for 211 yards (11.1 average).

Walter hopes to watch a turnaround similar to the one he saw in Cincinnati last year unfold in Houston.

The year before Walter joined the Bengals as a seventh-round draft pick in 2003, Cincinnati finished 2-14. In '03, Marvin Lewis was hired as the coach. Last year, the Bengals finished 11-5 and reached the playoffs.

"I see it as a very similar situation in Houston," Walter said. "The Texans brought in a new coach with Gary Kubiak, and they are bringing some new guys in. You want to be part of a turnaround like that. I'm looking forward to it."

Walter helps boost a depleted receiving corps. The Texans lost Corey Bradford and Jabar Gaffney via free agency last week.

"We're pleased to have acquired him," Texans general manager Charley Casserly said. "The reason we targeted him on the first day of free agency was because we thought he was a good young talent."

Walter, 25, played college football at Eastern Michigan. Aside from playing receiver, he also was a special-teams standout for the Bengals.

"Kevin has been a fine player for us, and he deserves the opportunity he'll get in Houston to be a starting receiver," Lewis said in a statement issued by the Bengals.

megan.manfull@chron.com

el toro
03-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Don't forget to throw Bush in the slot 10-15 plays a game. That is the key dimension to the offense this season.

I'm dreaming of 4 wideout sets and an offensive line blocking 4, maybe even 5 pass rushers. Big Dave looking all over the field and avoiding a defender or two that sneak by the line. I'm having visions of run and shoot... Tech's spread offense... the 2002 St. Louis Rams... no the 2000 Rams. Please don't wake me....

They are certainly moving towards some variation of that. They've added a quality pass catching TE and FB. Having those two plus Bush will give Carr 3 guys other than WRs to throw to. They can line up with two wide plus Bush in the slot and Cook in the backfield. That would give them 4 receivers going downfield with Cook there to block and to leek out as the safety valve....or Bush could stay in the backfield and force the defense to respect the run. Or they can line up 3 receivers with Bush as the lone back. Or have Davis as the lone back with Bush in the slot and AJ and Walter wide. Should be a fun offense to watch.