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Nighthawk
03-17-2006, 11:11 PM
Seems like everyone knows we're stuck with the #1 pick.
Seems like nobody else wants it.
They think we're taking Bush and apparently nobody wants Bush.
I find that odd, but there it is.
Casserly has said we'll be pleased to trade out of #1.
Where are the takers?
We need to get 6 picks or more on the 1st day.
All that means is two additional picks!
Raiders?
Can't see the Jets moving up.
Titans can get something they want without moving.
Gonna have to be something below #4.
Can we live with that?
I say yes.
So we should open discussions with the #5 to #9 teams.
We should also rethink our pick--Leinart is the most marketable, isn't he?
Is anybody likely to move up for Bush?
I don't see it happening.
The blush is off the Bush.
He's great, but he's not going to change the world for a team.
A top QB could change the world for a team, but not a RB.
So, what's our move?
And please, don't say take Bush.
Bush, without extra picks, does not begin to solve our problems.

BuffSoldier
03-18-2006, 12:28 AM
We pray that the jets want bush bad enough to trade up and get him.

texan279
03-18-2006, 12:32 AM
With the way free agency has panned out, I just can't see anyone giving up the farm to trade up to #1. The question is, if we stay at #1 what do we do? We have a chance to draft a stud RB, monster DE, or franchise LT. I can honestly say at this point I have no idea what I'd do.

big homey
03-18-2006, 01:20 AM
During the season - We want Reggie Bush.
After the Rose Bowl - We want Vince Young.
Free Agency - We want to trade down.

After being in the trade down camp since we got the #1 pick, I now don't see any problem with just taking Bush. We lost Gaffney and Bradford to other teams, but there aren't any quality #2 WR's on the market or in the draft. We should land Putzier, but he's not really a threat at TE, just solid. Bush is in fact the weapon we need. He has the speed and receiving skills to at least warrant the defenses attention. I won't bestow upon him the same accolades that others have (Sayers, Sanders, Faulk), but he'll help us.

As far as the O-line, let's look at what we have right now:

LT - Pitts
LG - McKinney
C - Hodgdon
RG - Wiegert/Weary
RT - Wade/Wand

The left side should be somewhere around servicable to solid. Hodgdon is questionable, but if we land Flanagan or draft a C, we'll have some insurance at that spot. If the coaches think that Weary is developable (is that even a word?), then Wiegert should be servicable for a while as they coach Weary up. If Weary was resigned merely for depth, then we could address this spot in the third round and develop him behind Wiegert. There should be some good RT's at the top of the second round.

Nighthawk
03-18-2006, 02:51 AM
We pray that the jets want bush bad enough to trade up and get him.

praying ain't gonna get it done. we need to be "proactive" and get it done. they aren't coming to the door, are they?

Nighthawk
03-18-2006, 02:53 AM
With the way free agency has panned out, I just can't see anyone giving up the farm to trade up to #1. The question is, if we stay at #1 what do we do? We have a chance to draft a stud RB, monster DE, or franchise LT. I can honestly say at this point I have no idea what I'd do.

I think it's a problem if our attitude is really to get some team to "give up the farm" for the #1 pick. It isn't happening. If we were more reasonable, however, and gave as good a value as we got, then seems like it would be doable.

HomeBred_Texan
03-18-2006, 06:12 AM
We stay put and draft R Bush or Mario Williams. Plain and simple.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee, WE ARE NOT DRAFTING VY, got over it....

J-Storm
03-18-2006, 06:23 AM
We stay put and draft R Bush or Mario Williams. Plain and simple.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee, WE ARE NOT DRAFTING VY, got over it....

Now if we did that I'd be more than happy before we resorted to taking Bush :twocents:

Scooter
03-18-2006, 06:26 AM
it might be the first time hawk, but i agree with everything you just said. the likelyhood of a team selling the farm to move up a few spots is very slim. hell the chargers didnt even get a deal that most around here are talking about for eli, who along with being the obvious first pick also came with a great pedigree. the chargers got the 4th pick, that years third, along with next years 1st & 5th. now look at them. they ended up with 4 starters (including rivers) from the first three rounds of 04, they got the following season's rookie of the year with the giants' pick, and still had an extra first rounder to pickup yet another starter. that's why they beat the 13-0 colts, while we've gone 0-8.

or they could've just stuck with eli & kaeding....

even for eli, in a weak draft, teams werent going to sell the farm. when the first 3 rounds are loaded and the top 10 could go any number of ways, noone's going to give us their next two years worth of picks for 1 guy ... especially at running back. what we need to do is go to the other teams and tell them this is what we're looking to do, as opposed to sitting on our thumbs waiting for something good to happen.

Scooter
03-18-2006, 06:29 AM
As far as the O-line, let's look at what we have right now:

LT - Pitts
LG - McKinney
C - Hodgdon
RG - Wiegert/Weary
RT - Wade/Wand

isnt that the same lineup that we used last season, who gave up the most sacks (again), while finishing 2-14? all you did was slide the worst center i know of over and made him into one of the worst guards, and replaced him with a 5th round rookie who played 3 games before a season ending injury. my head hurts.

Maddict5
03-18-2006, 06:42 AM
And please, don't say take Bush.
Bush, without extra picks, does not begin to solve our problems.

bush does begin to solve some problems for us- hes a huge threat and will take pressure off others. and he will def. help more than if you're risky proposal backfires-if we get stuck with leinart, what the hell do we do then. alot of teams have settled their qb situations lately- i honestly cant think of 1 team that needs leinart and would 'sell the farm' for him- teams like dallas, cards,titans could want him as their starters are old but they dont need him-they already have decent vets. detroit looks to be happy with kitna and Mccown, raiders do need a qb but know 1 will fall to them.
thats why i say draft reggie, d'brick or mario- whichever WE WANT with #1 and dont be PRAYING some1 will come along and take him from us because praying ain't gonna get it done

Maddict5
03-18-2006, 06:44 AM
isnt that the same lineup that we used last season, who gave up the most sacks (again), while finishing 2-14? all you did was slide the worst center i know of over and made him into one of the worst guards, and replaced him with a 5th round rookie who played 3 games before a season ending injury. my head hurts.

dont worry about it we will draft o-line in the draft that will start

texasguy346
03-18-2006, 06:50 AM
The real trade discussions won't even occur until the week of the draft, and most trades aren't actually completed until draft day. We're still in March here. We've still got over a month before any sort of trade talks about the #1 pick begin to get serious.

royce1054
03-18-2006, 01:02 PM
During the season - We want Reggie Bush.
After the Rose Bowl - We want Vince Young.
Free Agency - We want to trade down.



lol me
During the season - I want to trade down.
After the Rose Bowl - I want to trade down.
Free Agency - I want to trade down.

MorKnolle
03-18-2006, 01:39 PM
The real trade discussions won't even occur until the week of the draft, and most trades aren't actually completed until draft day. We're still in March here. We've still got over a month before any sort of trade talks about the #1 pick begin to get serious.

Agreed. As much as any of us may or may not want to trade down, no trade is going to take place until at best a couple days before the draft, and even then I don't expect them to trade down because I think they'll either want Bush or Mario and I don't think they can expect to get either one after trading down. Anyways, as I said don't expect any trade to happen for another 5-6 weeks and don't expect to hear many concrete rumors as I'm sure they'll keep all that very quiet.

Scooter
03-18-2006, 01:47 PM
lol me
During the season - I want to trade down.
After the Rose Bowl - I want to trade down.
Free Agency - I want to trade down.

ditto. flavor of the month players are always going to catch the majority though ... bush after fresno, vince after rose bowl (although i've been a fan of his despite being an aggie throughout the season ... man this kid's got potential), davis after combine, etc.

i'm about 95% sure that we're going to take bush, which i advocate against, but if/when we do i'm going to trust that it's not because of being "wowed". it's because the scouts broke down game tape to see the why & how of his play and how it would translate into the coaching staff.

edit: spelling

Scooter
03-18-2006, 01:56 PM
well, nfl.com reports that new orleans has signed michael bennett from the vikings ... our only trade bait remaining is mario and possibly d'brick. it doesnt look promising for the trade down camp unless our demands decrease, because we have almost no leverage inside the top 5.

Agreed. As much as any of us may or may not want to trade down, no trade is going to take place until at best a couple days before the draft, and even then I don't expect them to trade down because I think they'll either want Bush or Mario and I don't think they can expect to get either one after trading down. Anyways, as I said don't expect any trade to happen for another 5-6 weeks and don't expect to hear many concrete rumors as I'm sure they'll keep all that very quiet.

i know the draft is still a month away, but the point in the initial post (as i took it) is that we need to be proactive now in looking for trade partners as opposed to waiting until the last minute for a deal to fall into our lap. the likelyhood of a bidding war for the first pick is already extremely slim ... we'd have to create one and would need to do so sooner rather than later. that's ofcourse IF trading is the direction the staff is interested in.

Wolf
03-18-2006, 07:10 PM
I agree with you scooter.. I will be suprised now if there is a trading partner for us, unless the Jets want Reggie Bush, Tennessee is looking sweet now, because they know N.O. is not drafting a QB (unless N.O. trades down)

TexanFan881
03-18-2006, 07:13 PM
I guess were stuck with reggie, oh darn :sarcasm: I would still like to trade down but it's not like it's the end of the world.

MorKnolle
03-18-2006, 08:21 PM
well, nfl.com reports that new orleans has signed michael bennett from the vikings ... our only trade bait remaining is mario and possibly d'brick. it doesnt look promising for the trade down camp unless our demands decrease, because we have almost no leverage inside the top 5.



i know the draft is still a month away, but the point in the initial post (as i took it) is that we need to be proactive now in looking for trade partners as opposed to waiting until the last minute for a deal to fall into our lap. the likelyhood of a bidding war for the first pick is already extremely slim ... we'd have to create one and would need to do so sooner rather than later. that's ofcourse IF trading is the direction the staff is interested in.

I understand the thinking that we need to be shopping the pick, but going out and actively throwing the pick on the trading block will make us seem a little more desperate and if anything teams won't offer as much to us. We are not going to convince a team to trade up to #1 unless we are getting screwed on the deal, they are either going to trade up under their own volition to draft Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart, or else they aren't going to. If anything we need to be hardballing the teams that are interested in trading up and getting a bigger offer for it. Teams are going to be convinced by the talent of Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart and their own intrinsic desire to draft one of them, and I'm sure there is quite high desire for one or both of them among many teams, but us waving the pick around and calling for bids isn't going to convince anyone to make us an offer.

phan1
03-18-2006, 09:12 PM
I think the deal is that everyone is satisfied with their draft status and understands the value of their draft pick. I don't think many teams will be fooling around with their draft picks, especially their 1st ones. Fooling around with our draft picks have never brought us anything, and I think a lot of teams will just take the guy they want once their turns come up, especially if you're in the top 5 picks.

I just don't think anone can give us a good enough deal for us to trade down and vice versa.

Napa Auto Parts
03-18-2006, 09:44 PM
i dont think our draft situation cn be fixed the saints hold all the chips now. how did this happen oh yeah management.

thunderkyss
03-18-2006, 09:50 PM
Two days before draft day......... the morning of the draft....... how many people had any idea Mike Ditka was going to loose his damn mind??

edo783
03-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Two days before draft day......... the morning of the draft....... how many people had any idea Mike Ditka was going to loose his damn mind??

I'm not sure Ditka knew he was going to do that. Strange stuff happens on draft day and could happen on this one.

Wolf
03-18-2006, 10:15 PM
I'm not sure Ditka knew he was going to do that. Strange stuff happens on draft day and could happen on this one.


I hopes so in the Texans favor :)

big homey
03-18-2006, 10:39 PM
isnt that the same lineup that we used last season, who gave up the most sacks (again), while finishing 2-14? all you did was slide the worst center i know of over and made him into one of the worst guards, and replaced him with a 5th round rookie who played 3 games before a season ending injury. my head hurts.
I can't remember the exact lineup on the right side (may have been Milford Brown at RG or something), but from center leftward that was the lineup in the first game against Jax, who didn't give up any sacks until Hodgdon was injured. Not much of a sample size, but it's worth something. I definitely want to address the o-line, but some tutelage from Kubiak and Sherman will go a long way.

dat_boy_yec
03-19-2006, 01:03 AM
Ok, I may have seen the point of trading down at the end of the season. Now though I need to be refreshed on why trading down would be the best option and why we should be the ones instigating the deal.
Our D-line is looking solid so any DE we pick up would be in the later rds. for depth. At linebacker we have Pierce a guy in the Trotter mold (or so I'm led to believe) who is young and Kubiak is familiar with in the MLB position. Greenwood and Orr can lock down the outside positions so that group only needs depth which could be had in the later rds. Safeties, look I know they could be upgraded, but those guys did a decent job this last season and with new coaching and maturation they can only get better. At CB I think McKinzie can step up and compliment Robinson. Wouldn't hurt to draft a CB but I don't think it's a pressing need. That covers the Defense.
On offense we're lining up our receivers and Putzier is coming in so we might lock down the receiving corps and TE before the draft. QB,RB, and FB will be covered. (If we stick with the first pick RB will be locked up. Otherwise 2 guys on your roster at that position look risky.) So that basically leaves the line which it looks like the FO is also trying to deal with by trying to sign Flannagan. Even without that move though it looks like the line is shaping up nicely. The one position they may need to lock down is guard because Weigarts contract is up after this yr. and it would be nice to groom somebody to take his place when he leaves.
Ok, after reading all that please let me know what you think about the trade down option. I don't see any reason for us to look for a trade much less give up where we're at for any reason. So I say give us the farm and include some cows or forget about it.

Nighthawk
03-19-2006, 01:53 AM
Ok, I may have seen the point of trading down at the end of the season. Now though I need to be refreshed on why trading down would be the best option and why we should be the ones instigating the deal.
Our D-line is looking solid so any DE we pick up would be in the later rds. for depth. At linebacker we have Pierce a guy in the Trotter mold (or so I'm led to believe) who is young and Kubiak is familiar with in the MLB position. Greenwood and Orr can lock down the outside positions so that group only needs depth which could be had in the later rds. Safeties, look I know they could be upgraded, but those guys did a decent job this last season and with new coaching and maturation they can only get better. At CB I think McKinzie can step up and compliment Robinson. Wouldn't hurt to draft a CB but I don't think it's a pressing need. That covers the Defense.
On offense we're lining up our receivers and Putzier is coming in so we might lock down the receiving corps and TE before the draft. QB,RB, and FB will be covered. (If we stick with the first pick RB will be locked up. Otherwise 2 guys on your roster at that position look risky.) So that basically leaves the line which it looks like the FO is also trying to deal with by trying to sign Flannagan. Even without that move though it looks like the line is shaping up nicely. The one position they may need to lock down is guard because Weigarts contract is up after this yr. and it would be nice to groom somebody to take his place when he leaves.
Ok, after reading all that please let me know what you think about the trade down option. I don't see any reason for us to look for a trade much less give up where we're at for any reason. So I say give us the farm and include some cows or forget about it.

Simply put, there are better players available in the first two rounds than we've picked up in FA or have in returning positions. So anywhere you see an upgrade is possible, you want to be able to be there.

However, my guess is that the Texans' thinking is put a somewhat improved team on the field next year and watch for a year, perhaps making in-season trades, or changes.

If they were eager to make an instant improvement they'd have been much more active and aggressive in FA.

Hottoddie
03-19-2006, 12:48 PM
In my opinion, if the Texans don't trade out of the #1 pick, then the only 2 players up for consideration should be D'Brick, or Mario.

The main benefit in drafting Bush, is his break away speed & elusiveness. There's another player with similar skills/speed, & he runs up the middle with power, by the name of Jerious Norwood out of Mississippi State. He's 6'0" 210lbs & he ran a 4.40 40 at the combine. He's got good hands & is very durable. We should be able to pick him up in the 4th, or late 3rd round.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/jeriousnorwood.html

kiwitexansfan
03-19-2006, 09:32 PM
i dont think our draft situation cn be fixed the saints hold all the chips now. how did this happen oh yeah management.

I'm sorry Napa I don't understand how our management has anything to do with what the Saints have done.

Can you explain your reasoning or give management a break.

Runner
03-19-2006, 09:38 PM
I can't remember the exact lineup on the right side (may have been Milford Brown at RG or something), but from center leftward that was the lineup in the first game against Jax, who didn't give up any sacks until Hodgdon was injured.
...

but some tutelage from Kubiak and Sherman will go a long way.


Don't forget they were playing a pretty stunted offense at the time, so they weren't asked to protect for downfield passes. It's hard to determine how good anyone was at that point.

However, I still believe the second comment of your's that I quoted is correct.

tulexan
03-19-2006, 09:59 PM
The main benefit in drafting Bush, is his break away speed & elusiveness. There's another player with similar skills/speed, & he runs up the middle with power, by the name of Jerious Norwood out of Mississippi State. He's 6'0" 210lbs & he ran a 4.40 40 at the combine. He's got good hands & is very durable. We should be able to pick him up in the 4th, or late 3rd round.



Norwood is good, but he isn't even in the same league as Bush. That is like comparing Marcus Vick to Vince Young

thunderkyss
03-19-2006, 10:05 PM
I've been in the Trade down or Draft Vince crowd. We trade down, because you can always use an extra first day pick of two...

We don't need another RB.... I mean REggie is something to watch, & if I were a betting man, I would bet that he's going to blow up the league...... but, I like our back.... I like our coach, and I like what he does for a running game. If running back was really a need, then you'd see the trade down guys talking about trading down, and targeting Maroney, Addai, or D'Angelo...... but there isn't a RB on any list other than Reggie Bush....... Imagine any of those guys behind Kubiak's Zone Blocking.

It's the same argument they use against our Vince Young argument. What they see in Reggie, I see in Vince. But I believe there are serious questions about Carr's ability to be an NFL starting QB.......

With Kubiak in tow, I'm not worried about our running game at all........ it's going to open up our passing game, regardless who we have at tailback. why mess around with a RB who is also a WR threat?? why don't we just pick up the #2 reciever we need?? Or just keep Gaffney...... I think Gaffney would be an excellent #2 with a more aggressive offense.

I still believe Drafting Vince would be the best thing the Houston Texans can do with the #1 overall. But I'm not blind....... Sage Rosenfells throws a serious monkey wrench in that plan. BUt I've still got faith.

Weaver, at first, made me think we weren't going to take Mario. But the money we're paying him, I can see moving him to tackle(which is basically what he was playing....... he might be upset about it).

David Carr is going to need Mario if he's going to take us to the SuperBowl. plan.


Edit:My opinion of Mario is based solely on the opinions of many of the guys here, the guys on ESPN, and a couple of "scout" sites on the net.......... I've never seen him play.

dat_boy_yec
03-19-2006, 10:22 PM
I've been in the Trade down or Draft Vince crowd. We trade down, because you can always use an extra first day pick of two...

We don't need another RB.... I mean REggie is something to watch, & if I were a betting man, I would bet that he's going to blow up the league...... but, I like our back.... I like our coach, and I like what he does for a running game. If running back was really a need, then you'd see the trade down guys talking about trading down, and targeting Maroney, Addai, or D'Angelo...... but there isn't a RB on any list other than Reggie Bush....... Imagine any of those guys behind Kubiak's Zone Blocking.

It's the same argument they use against our Vince Young argument. What they see in Reggie, I see in Vince. But I believe there are serious questions about Carr's ability to be an NFL starting QB.......

With Kubiak in tow, I'm not worried about our running game at all........ it's going to open up our passing game, regardless who we have at tailback. why mess around with a RB who is also a WR threat?? why don't we just pick up the #2 reciever we need?? Or just keep Gaffney...... I think Gaffney would be an excellent #2 with a more aggressive offense.

I still believe Drafting Vince would be the best thing the Houston Texans can do with the #1 overall. But I'm not blind....... Sage Rosenfells throws a serious monkey wrench in that plan. BUt I've still got faith.

Weaver, at first, made me think we weren't going to take Mario. But the money we're paying him, I can see moving him to tackle(which is basically what he was playing....... he might be upset about it).

David Carr is going to need Mario if he's going to take us to the SuperBowl. plan.

Are you serious in saying we don't need a RB? I hate to break it like this, but we currently only have two running backs on our roster. We aren't likely to re-sign Wells now that they brought in Cook who I have heard is also a great special teams player. So that leaves us with two running backs to operate in what I would imagine is a tandem. Where they both share carries. If one of them goes down then what happens, who else do we have? If we don't sign another RB or draft one I'd say we are pretty much screwing ourselves.

Well we are trying to pick up another #2 receiver and hopefully we sign one soon. As for Gaffney we can't keep him because he's already on the Eagles roster.

lol well faith is never a bad thing so keep hoping.

Ok, about Weaver. There's no way he would be moved to tackle. We already have 3 tackles earning in the millions each one capable of starting. Weaver is staying at the DE position. Babin and Peek will more than likely fight for the spot on the other side, but taking Super Mario is not likely. Oh and I don't know why you say Carr needs mario if he's going to take us to the superbowl. Will Mario drive the second bus that will take us to the stadium?:rolleyes:

thunderkyss
03-19-2006, 10:30 PM
Are you serious in saying we don't need a RB? I hate to break it like this, but we currently only have two running backs on our roster. We aren't likely to re-sign Wells now that they brought in Cook who I have heard is also a great special teams player. So that leaves us with two running backs to operate in what I would imagine is a tandem. Where they both share carries. If one of them goes down then what happens, who else do we have? If we don't sign another RB or draft one I'd say we are pretty much screwing ourselves.

Well we are trying to pick up another #2 receiver and hopefully we sign one soon. As for Gaffney we can't keep him because he's already on the Eagles roster.

lol well faith is never a bad thing so keep hoping.

Ok, about Weaver. There's no way he would be moved to tackle. We already have 3 tackles earning in the millions each one capable of starting. Weaver is staying at the DE position. Babin and Peek will more than likely fight for the spot on the other side, but taking Super Mario is not likely. Oh and I don't know why you say Carr needs mario if he's going to take us to the superbowl. Will Mario drive the second bus that will take us to the stadium?:rolleyes:


Well, most of my rant, was from the beginning of free agency. I would've kept Wells, and Gaffney......... let banks go, and draft Vince. Start Carr in 2006. Trade him in 2007.

So I was wrong, about what the Texans will do......... I'm cool with that, and coming to terms with Reggie Being a Texan...... doesn't mean I am wrong about what we should've done this offseason.

dat_boy_yec
03-19-2006, 10:31 PM
Simply put, there are better players available in the first two rounds than we've picked up in FA or have in returning positions. So anywhere you see an upgrade is possible, you want to be able to be there.

However, my guess is that the Texans' thinking is put a somewhat improved team on the field next year and watch for a year, perhaps making in-season trades, or changes.

If they were eager to make an instant improvement they'd have been much more active and aggressive in FA.

Well, more than likely we could only get one extra pick in the second rd. so you pass up on a great talent like Bush. Give up any hope of drafting one of the freaks at the top this yr. all in order to "upgrade a position" with a second rd. pick. Don't get me wrong the draft is all a crapshoot and you could end up with a gem in the second rd., but chances are you'll just get another solid player who may prove to be a marginal upgrade. So far I think they are doing a commendable job in returning this team to respectability. With each move they make I see improvement so they are making instant improvements. We won't know the degree of the improvement until the season starts, but mark this. This team is already improving.

dat_boy_yec
03-19-2006, 10:36 PM
Well, most of my rant, was from the beginning of free agency. I would've kept Wells, and Gaffney......... let banks go, and draft Vince. Start Carr in 2006. Trade him in 2007.

So I was wrong, about what the Texans will do......... I'm cool with that, and coming to terms with Reggie Being a Texan...... doesn't mean I am wrong about what we should've done this offseason.

I never said you were wrong, I just pointed out what I thought of what you said. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Me, I don't care what they do as long as they get wins next yr. It wouldn't matter if they changed the team colors to pink and yellow as long as they got wins next yr. I would be ok with it. (I wouldn't buy their Jersey's, but I would live with it.)

Nighthawk
03-21-2006, 06:58 PM
This is a funny pre-draft season. Two months ago Bush was everywhere on every mind. The greatest running back ever to play the college game, ever to come out of college, another Gale Sayers.

Huh? Two months later we can't give the pick away.

I'm thinking something's going on, something's been done badly, the world has taken a weird turn on its axis.

We need quality players for this team and running back is most clearly NOT an area of need. So what can we do? Who in the world is willing to spend a number one pick on Bush?

Help us! Anybody! Make offer! Will work for food! Take my wife! Etc.

Double Barrel
03-21-2006, 07:00 PM
Who knows what's going on behind the scenes...or if the Texans are shopping the pick at all?

It does seem that the public perception of the no. 1 pick has diminished, though. idonno:

swtbound07
03-21-2006, 07:07 PM
i agree, but you have to remember......bush is a BIG RISK.....granted, potentially a big return,but if your going to trade up for a guy, you better be sure he is the one.....im not sure he is that much better than a deangelo williams, or for that matter, a lendale white. i wish somebody would trade for him....wish it all the time.

dirty steve
03-21-2006, 07:07 PM
[QUOTE=Nighthawk]This is a funny pre-draft season. Two months ago Bush was everywhere on every mind. The greatest running back ever to play the college game, ever to come out of college, another Gale Sayers.

Huh? Two months later we can't give the pick away.

I'm thinking something's going on, something's been done badly, the world has taken a weird turn on its axis.

We need quality players for this team and running back is most clearly NOT an area of need. So what can we do? Who in the world is willing to spend a number one pick on Bush?

Help us! Anybody! Make offer! Will work for food! Take my wife! Etc.[/QUOTE/}

the same old c.rap from you gets old. we will not be trading down because the saints took all of our leverage when they signed drew brees, and VY won't be coming here because he doesn't fit. GET OVER IT!!!

Grid
03-21-2006, 07:08 PM
He didnt work out at the Combine, and everyone expects us to take him. Obviously.. he isnt getting much attention because of that.

Wait till the USC pro day.

Mightymike
03-21-2006, 07:10 PM
i want bush, i really don't see the big risk with bush. His only socalled weakness is his size, but there is evidence in other succesful players that 5'11 200 isn't too small for a NFL RB today. His impact on defenses is tremendous. He attracts attention, and opens up so much for the rest of the offense. Hopefully what he did for Matt Leinart's success he can do for DC

Mario Williams
03-21-2006, 07:45 PM
Get over yourself Nighthawk. Now that we aren't drafting Vince, you're doing your best to annoy the hell out of us with the constant "CAN'T WE TRADE DOWN DAMNIT" topics. Just quit.

swtbound07
03-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Get over yourself Nighthawk. Now that we aren't drafting Vince, you're doing your best to annoy the hell out of us with the constant "CAN'T WE TRADE DOWN DAMNIT" topics. Just quit.

This coming from a man who's screenname is "Bush"? Im sure you post on a diverse section of topics....also, the man in your avatar is holding a flower. Just saying.

Nighthawk
03-22-2006, 01:47 AM
the same old c.rap from you gets old. we will not be trading down because the saints took all of our leverage when they signed drew brees, and VY won't be coming here because he doesn't fit. GET OVER IT!!!


I beg your pardon? I'm looking to get a top 10 pick and a couple of additional picks in 2nd and third rounds, would that be so wrong? No, it would be sweet. Esp if there were a usable player tossed in, or a 1st or 2nd next year.

The problem is that like SF last year, we seem to not have the imagination to get out of the 1st slot and down a little lower where we can do ourselves the most good.

I proposed, on another thread, that we do the smart (but unorthodox) thing and let it be known we're drafting Leinart, and then draft him if nobody shows up to trade beforehand. Then try to trade him once we've got him, or let him understudy for Carr. I expect that would last about 6 or 8 games, and them we'd have a new #1 guy and a great run ahead of us.

el toro
03-22-2006, 02:21 AM
Davis didn't play in every game last season. It's not like RB is that locked up in Htown. Bush can play there and also see plenty of action in the slot.

Panicking and trying to ship the #1 for whatever is no way to create potential trade leverage.

I'd have a little more faith in the new coaching staff. All signs point to a diverse, creative, and prolific offense.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. The team has 3 other picks in the top 66 to address other areas of concern.

Napa Auto Parts
03-22-2006, 02:59 AM
I'm sorry Napa I don't understand how our management has anything to do with what the Saints have done.

Can you explain your reasoning or give management a break.



by letting out to the media that we are taking bush not even pretending to be interested in one of the three good qb's that are coming out you can lie in this business. Blow some smoke in other words now i think the only thing we can do to get some value out of our pick is too hold Matt For Ransome. but that might not work since the titans would be happy with VY but we have to do to get some value for our dismall season.

thunderkyss
03-22-2006, 07:42 AM
i want bush, i really don't see the big risk with bush. His only socalled weakness is his size, but there is evidence in other succesful players that 5'11 200 isn't too small for a NFL RB today. His impact on defenses is tremendous. He attracts attention, and opens up so much for the rest of the offense. Hopefully what he did for Matt Leinart's success he can do for DC

Surely the other 6 Offensive players who will be taken the first day had nothing to do with Lienart's success....... or Reggies for that matter..... :ok:

Get over yourself Nighthawk. Now that we aren't drafting Vince, you're doing your best to annoy the hell out of us with the constant "CAN'T WE TRADE DOWN DAMNIT" topics. Just quit.
As you've noted, Nighthawk believes we most likely aren't drafting Vince(I think there is still hope), and that we can't trade down...... that's the problem, and I agree.... The right thing to do for the Texans, is to trade down, and get the extra picks.... Right now, it doesn't look like we'll be able to do that, and get the guy we are targeting......


Davis didn't play in every game last season. It's not like RB is that locked up in Htown. Bush can play there and also see plenty of action in the slot.

Panicking and trying to ship the #1 for whatever is no way to create potential trade leverage.


Kubiak's zone blocking should allow DD to get to the second level untouched. this alone is going to improve his durability. New strength and conditioning coaches, and being in year 4(all the top rushers in 2006 had injury concerns their first 3 years....... most feature backs do. Cadillac didn't play 16 games 2006....... that's the nature of the beast).

I do agree, NightHawk is panicking a little early........ & he's beeing pretty obvious about it....... I don't believe he's a poker player.

HJam72
03-22-2006, 08:06 AM
If we don't trade down, we need to take Bush. I don't like these ideas some people have about taking D'Brick or Williams or whoever with the #1 pick. Bush is the only player in this draft with #1 overall potential that isn't a QB, even though taking him makes me nervous. We can trade down, if we get a descent deal, or take Bush, but I don't want to spend a #1 on some player that should really be somewhere between #4 and #15 or so.

NederlandTexan
03-22-2006, 08:08 AM
i agree, but you have to remember......bush is a BIG RISK.....
What player(s) in this years draft are no risk?

thunderkyss
03-22-2006, 08:25 AM
If we don't trade down, we need to take Bush. I don't like these ideas some people have about taking D'Brick or Williams or whoever with the #1 pick. Bush is the only player in this draft with #1 overall potential that isn't a QB, even though taking him makes me nervous. We can trade down, if we get a descent deal, or take Bush, but I don't want to spend a #1 on some player that should really be somewhere between #4 and #15 or so.


I still think the thing to do is Draft Vince Young..... If we have to use the first pick...... I understand we just signed Rosenfells, and some believe he may be a starter in the waiting, which is fine. But as long as their is a question about how successful Carr can be, I'd shore my bet with Vince. I'd be able to groom him for atleast two years(I don't believe it will be necessary to sit him for two years, but I'd have that option), and Start David Carr......

Granted, I don't have access to David, I don't have the ability to get inside his head..... Kubiak does, & I'm sure he's working with David right now. Come Draft day, if he doesn't think it's necessary to put together plan B... I'm fine with that....... If he wants Reggie Bush...... I'm fine with that too........ But since we are on a message board, talking about what we'd do........ that's what I'd do.


The first thing I'd do.............. is fire Mike Holmgren............ mmmmhhhhmm.

Nighthawk
03-23-2006, 01:17 AM
I've argued for a while that our best move is to trade down, get at least 2 extra 1st day picks, and try to get Young. The extra picks make up for needs we have to fill, and Young becomes the thing we do for the future of the franchise.

There are a lot of ways to do this, but the strongest hand is to take Leinart at #1 and THEN trade him during the draft to somebody down the line who wants him. You can't let him stay on the board because that means teams will trade up with others to take him.

uteric3232
03-23-2006, 01:35 AM
I dont think there are enough teams high enough who would do this. If the plan is to get young, you would have to have a team draft Young, and then trade the rights for Leinart. This leaves the Titans as the only team, because if we take Leinart, then the Titans will take Vince.

Nighthawk
03-23-2006, 03:15 AM
I do agree, NightHawk is panicking a little early........ & he's beeing pretty obvious about it....... I don't believe he's a poker player.

I'm not panicking, I'm suggesting that if push comes to shove we take Leinart with the 1st pick and try to trade him thereafter.

thunderkyss
03-23-2006, 07:58 AM
I've argued for a while that our best move is to trade down, get at least 2 extra 1st day picks, and try to get Young. The extra picks make up for needs we have to fill, and Young becomes the thing we do for the future of the franchise.

There are a lot of ways to do this, but the strongest hand is to take Leinart at #1 and THEN trade him during the draft to somebody down the line who wants him. You can't let him stay on the board because that means teams will trade up with others to take him.

No, you are panicking....... much of your excitement, I think, would be more approriate after Reggies Pro Day at least.... for instance, the title of this thread..... "Can our Draft Situation be Fixed", well it isn't broken, yet.... the Draft is what 38/39 days away...... over a month... half of the top prospects haven't even worked out yet. The only moves we've seen so far, are instigated by teams looking to fill their rosters with FAs..... no one is pro-actively positioning themselves in the draft yet..... we've got at least antoher 2 weeks before FA is over, teams will then start to focus on the draft..... until FA is over, no one really knows what their draft needs are....... i.e. The Dolphins....... did you know they were looking for a QB?? Detroit?? N.O. after signing Brees, most likely won't be looking for a QB..... we won't be looking for a TE. OT, DE, have moved down on our list as far as quality goes, we can be more picky.

Through FA, Kubiak has done a really good job... he's upgraded several positions, while adding youth to the team. We've addressed most of our issues, I'd like to know specifically which holes, you think we need to address with extra picks..

dat_boy_yec
03-23-2006, 10:00 AM
What thunderkiss just said. Well you make it obvious that you would switch out Bush for young in the first rd. So you don't address any needs either. Who do you take with the extra picks in the second and third rds. At the beginning of the offseason I would have agreed with you, but after all the FA moves that Kubiak and Casserly have made I no longer see so many big holes.