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Bongo59
03-16-2006, 09:20 AM
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If he hadn't seen the guy in the Eddie George jersey, David Givens might still be a New England Patriot. Such are the idiosyncrasies of free agency once your team decides to let you stray off the reservation.

Thirty-six hours into what would become an 84-hour whirlwind of travel, negotiations, meetings, physicals, family phone calls, and self-examination for both Givens and his Boston-based agent, Brad Blank, the Patriots' highly regarded wide receiver stood in an office at Reliant Stadium, the home of the Houston Texans, talking on the phone with Blank about an option neither had considered when free agency finally began at 12:01 a.m. Saturday. The Tennessee Titans were trying to talk their way into the equation, one that to this point included the Patriots, the Texans, and the Miami Dolphins. Those had been Givens's teams of choice from the start, but suddenly, unexpectedly, he had a desperate new suitor.

Blank was trying to persuade Givens to visit Nashville the next day while Givens was searching for reasons to give a hometown discount to his real hometown of Houston, where he'd grown up rooting for what ironically was now the Titans. As he pondered these options, The Jersey suddenly appeared. It was like an apparition, a voice in the wilderness calling to him from a Texas parking lot. Who can know about such things as these?

''The general manager [Charley Casserly] and the coaches had left me to use the phone in their offices and Brad started talking about how the Titans were interested," Givens recalled Tuesday night, only hours after signing a five-year, $24 million contract in Tennessee. ''I'm in the Texans' facility and he's telling me about the Titans and all of a sudden there's a guy outside the stadium at some sort of carnival and he's wearing Eddie George's jersey. There were about 2,000 people there and I didn't see any other jersey but that one on anybody. It was really strange. Very strange."

As Givens looked at the jersey of the Titans' former All-Pro running back, Blank told him how Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese had just made an offer well in excess of what either the Texans or the Patriots were putting on the table. While he explained the options already in play and others still unexplored with teams such as San Diego, San Francisco, and Carolina, Givens talked about omens.

''He was giving me all the reasons to sign in Houston," Blank recalled. ''He was talking about comfort level and playing in front of his family and the convenience of knowing his way around. He had good reasons for the way he was thinking and I had 23 million reasons for him to take a look at Nashville. At the time Houston was offering 17.5 [million dollars] so I said if they go north of $20 million we can fight about going but if they stay south of 20, it's a no-brainer.

'As I was talking he said, 'Brad, Brad. Somebody just walked by wearing an Eddie George jersey. Do you think it's a sign?' I told him I didn't know but we should take a look at Nashville. David agreed if [Houston] stayed south of 20 he'd get on the plane."

Less than 36 hours later, Givens was the Titans' No. 1 receiver, having rejected the lesser offers to go and play for his original hometown team, the team that was once the Houston Oilers but now played in a town he'd never visited and knew little about. That's how it goes in free agency sometimes once the winds begin to blow and the money begins to flow. It's a time where anything can happen. Anything but getting a good night's sleep.

chuckm
03-16-2006, 09:24 AM
Eddie George pushed the deal over the top .... and 4 or 5 million dollars didn't hurt ...

thunderkyss
03-16-2006, 09:44 AM
When's Putzier coming?? I need to go stop my wife from burning my Carr Jersey.

Double Barrel
03-16-2006, 09:48 AM
The sooner the Texans start posting winning seasons and playoff appearances, the sooner Titans jerseys in Houston starts diminishing. It still amazes me that people are loyal to a team that never played in Houston and are based in a completely unrelated state. How many Kansas City Cheif fans are in Dallas these days? idonno:

thunderkyss
03-16-2006, 09:50 AM
I think it's goofy too...... being that the fans more or less drove that team out of here.

swisher
03-16-2006, 10:21 AM
B.S. It wasn't the color of the jersey it was the color of the money.

And how much loyalty to the city of Houston does a guy have when he doesn't even know what the "some kind of carnival" is. It's the freaking Rodeo!

chuckm
03-16-2006, 10:34 AM
I think it's goofy too...... being that the fans more or less drove that team out of here.

please expound on your "the fans drove that team out of here" take ...

thunderkyss
03-16-2006, 10:41 AM
Quite frankly, I hated to see the Oilers leave....

to me it seemed like the general attitude, was oh well, don't let the door hit you.

Maybe drove is too strong, but I don't think the fans made his decision to leave any harder.

TopTexanFan16
03-16-2006, 10:43 AM
B.S. It wasn't the color of the jersey it was the color of the money.

And how much loyalty to the city of Houston does a guy have when he doesn't even know what the "some kind of carnival" is. It's the freaking Rodeo!


AMEN!!! i thought the same thing.

David's Busted Carr
03-16-2006, 10:47 AM
THANK YOU EGEORGE!!! Thank you for not allowing us to waste ridiculous money on an overrated WR! This guy is not even close to a #1 WR. He's a marginal #2 WR at best. Definietely not worth $24 million.

Free agent WRs are getting RIDICULOUS money this year. Randel El $31 million? Givens $24 million? Come on. Neither of these guys are any better than Antonio Bryant $15 million or Joe Jurivicous $12 million.

All about finding the right guy at the right price...

Bongo59
03-16-2006, 10:54 AM
ok WR at the right price..................show me one your even close to talking with? I also think Given was a bargain compared to AJ who is getting paid sick cash for exactly what? AJ has no lived up to his slot at all...............at least Givens has exceeded his.

David's Busted Carr
03-16-2006, 11:11 AM
ok WR at the right price..................show me one your even close to talking with? I also think Given was a bargain compared to AJ who is getting paid sick cash for exactly what? AJ has no lived up to his slot at all...............at least Givens has exceeded his.

LOL, are you serious? Look at the offenses they played on. Please don't compare AJ to Givens again...

And WR for the right price you ask. I would have paid Antonio Bryant $15 for 4 years or whatever he signed for... He would have been a very nice complement to AJ on the other side. And he's still young too...

Texas
03-16-2006, 11:17 AM
Umm who really cares? I guess hes never been out in the public because I've been to New England and seen more Cowboys jerseys than anything. I dotn see him there though? Looks like it was all about the $$

run-david-run
03-16-2006, 11:50 AM
Here is an interesting question: Why the hell was Givens' agent not with him?

Oh, and we should fire Casserly for allowing him to use his cell phone in his office!

jerek
03-16-2006, 11:53 AM
I liked Givens but not for 20M+.

Oh well.

Kaiser Toro
03-16-2006, 11:57 AM
No need for a player that bases his decision with this methodology, especially at the asking price which was the overriding factor.

Best of luck to the Titans and their #1 WR. They seem to be happy and by and large the Texan nation is happy for not signing him to that type of jack.

thunderkyss
03-16-2006, 12:04 PM
Here is an interesting question: Why the hell was Givens' agent not with him?

Oh, and we should fire Casserly for allowing him to use his cell phone in his office!


CC probably left the room, and closed the door, so he could have some privacy.


Probably went to go fiind the guy a cookie.



But you never know. That might have been Casserly walking around in that Geaorge jersey.

nunusguy
03-16-2006, 12:07 PM
Sounds to me like this guy was going thru some kind of rationalization process
to help him in his denial about being mercenary. He'll grow out of that.
Hey, money talks. The Titans were willing to invest > money in him than we were. End of story.

chuckm
03-16-2006, 12:09 PM
am I ever glad he wasn't at a chinese restaurant when he came to this realization ... imagine losing him over a fortune cookie .... :rolleyes:

Peldon
03-16-2006, 12:09 PM
I say we go to the stadium and board up Casserly's windows. He doesn't need the distraction of looking out the window anyway.

done88
03-16-2006, 12:25 PM
I say we board up the door so he can't cost us anymore free agents.

bigTEXan8
03-16-2006, 12:29 PM
CC probably left the room, and closed the door, so he could have some privacy.


Probably went to go fiind the guy a cookie.



But you never know. That might have been Casserly walking around in that Geaorge jersey.

What kind of cookie? Choclate chip?

Double Barrel
03-16-2006, 01:05 PM
No need for a player that bases his decision with this methodology, especially at the asking price which was the overriding factor.


No doubt, KT! Dude is talking about a jersey being an omen, which I might believe if he signed with the Titans for less money. But he went to the highest bidder, plain and simple. Anyway, a player that is spooked by imaginary "omens" is a player than has head problems, IMHO. :crazy:

And funny about him thinking one of the world's largest rodeos is a "carnival"!! Goofball.

WWJD
03-16-2006, 01:18 PM
I hope the Texans give Armstrong (I think that's his name) a chance to start. He always made plays when he was in there. Maybe he's not a big name yet because he hasn't been given an opportunity.

Anyway if you offer somebody a decent wage and they go somewhere else you've done your best. Move on.

Carr Bombed
03-16-2006, 01:37 PM
ok WR at the right price..................show me one your even close to talking with? I also think Given was a bargain compared to AJ who is getting paid sick cash for exactly what? AJ has no lived up to his slot at all...............at least Givens has exceeded his. You just lost all credibility with that statement. Givens VS. AJ, give me a break, Givens wasn't even the #1 WR on his team and yall pay him like one.

AJ is the only true threat we've had on our team and battles constant double coverage and still managed to have a probowl year before last season where he was injured. He also plays on a team that can't put 3 consecutive positive plays together on offense.

We'll see how Givens does trying to be a #1 WR, when he has to battle against the elite corners in the league. I still don't think he'll face the double teams though, because I don't think he strikes fear into opposing defenses, because he isn't a #1 reciever, have fun trying to make him one. Also sometimes its not good to overpay for above average talent, that just left a team where they were surrounded by great players, usually they come in only to disappoint

Da_General
03-16-2006, 02:12 PM
Dumb question, probably...is this Givens related to Ernest Givens?

mancunian
03-17-2006, 01:57 PM
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If he hadn't seen the guy in the Eddie George jersey, David Givens might still be a New England Patriot. Such are the idiosyncrasies of free agency once your team decides to let you stray off the reservation.

Thirty-six hours into what would become an 84-hour whirlwind of travel, negotiations, meetings, physicals, family phone calls, and self-examination for both Givens and his Boston-based agent, Brad Blank, the Patriots' highly regarded wide receiver stood in an office at Reliant Stadium, the home of the Houston Texans, talking on the phone with Blank about an option neither had considered when free agency finally began at 12:01 a.m. Saturday. The Tennessee Titans were trying to talk their way into the equation, one that to this point included the Patriots, the Texans, and the Miami Dolphins. Those had been Givens's teams of choice from the start, but suddenly, unexpectedly, he had a desperate new suitor.

Blank was trying to persuade Givens to visit Nashville the next day while Givens was searching for reasons to give a hometown discount to his real hometown of Houston, where he'd grown up rooting for what ironically was now the Titans. As he pondered these options, The Jersey suddenly appeared. It was like an apparition, a voice in the wilderness calling to him from a Texas parking lot. Who can know about such things as these?

''The general manager [Charley Casserly] and the coaches had left me to use the phone in their offices and Brad started talking about how the Titans were interested," Givens recalled Tuesday night, only hours after signing a five-year, $24 million contract in Tennessee. ''I'm in the Texans' facility and he's telling me about the Titans and all of a sudden there's a guy outside the stadium at some sort of carnival and he's wearing Eddie George's jersey. There were about 2,000 people there and I didn't see any other jersey but that one on anybody. It was really strange. Very strange."

As Givens looked at the jersey of the Titans' former All-Pro running back, Blank told him how Tennessee general manager Floyd Reese had just made an offer well in excess of what either the Texans or the Patriots were putting on the table. While he explained the options already in play and others still unexplored with teams such as San Diego, San Francisco, and Carolina, Givens talked about omens.

''He was giving me all the reasons to sign in Houston," Blank recalled. ''He was talking about comfort level and playing in front of his family and the convenience of knowing his way around. He had good reasons for the way he was thinking and I had 23 million reasons for him to take a look at Nashville. At the time Houston was offering 17.5 [million dollars] so I said if they go north of $20 million we can fight about going but if they stay south of 20, it's a no-brainer.

'As I was talking he said, 'Brad, Brad. Somebody just walked by wearing an Eddie George jersey. Do you think it's a sign?' I told him I didn't know but we should take a look at Nashville. David agreed if [Houston] stayed south of 20 he'd get on the plane."

Less than 36 hours later, Givens was the Titans' No. 1 receiver, having rejected the lesser offers to go and play for his original hometown team, the team that was once the Houston Oilers but now played in a town he'd never visited and knew little about. That's how it goes in free agency sometimes once the winds begin to blow and the money begins to flow. It's a time where anything can happen. Anything but getting a good night's sleep.

its a bit lame - why couldn't he say it was for the cash.

TexanSam
03-17-2006, 02:02 PM
its a bit lame - why couldn't he say it was for the cash.

Because he didn't want to look like a greedy *******. We all know it's true though. God forbid you can't live for 18 million instead of 24.

Dunta_23
03-19-2006, 02:48 PM
Texans | Kubiak really wanted Givens
Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:48:04 -0800

Ron Borges, of the Boston Globe, reports Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak had listed WR David Givens as his No. 1 offensive target in free agency. Givens wound up signing with the Tennessee Titans.

aj.
03-19-2006, 03:39 PM
Don't buy a toshiba laptop ...

aj.
03-19-2006, 03:41 PM
The 'carnival' is the large rodeo midway that's set up in the Blue and Orange Parking lots outside the stadium. Casserly's office looks out to the south across the Blue and Platinum lots. The guy in the George jersey was probably standing in line for fried twinkies. So if anyone thinks that's an omen .... mmmmkay.

I can show you 5 million omens per year why Givens signed with Reeses Pieces. At least I wish I could show you 5 million per year...

And judging by the spelling of their last names, I'm guessing Givens is not related to Givins.

Napa Auto Parts
03-19-2006, 03:51 PM
Im Glad Givens got the money he wanted in this league its all about the money and i dont blame him and besides the titans have more upside than our texans right now. i think it was a shame our management let givens get away when we desperately need another reciever:stirpot:

aj.
03-19-2006, 03:57 PM
I think it was a blessing in disguise that our mgmt let him get away at that price. Watch Kinney and Troupe have more combined receptions than Givens and Bennett next season.

texasguy346
03-19-2006, 04:21 PM
I think it was a blessing in disguise that our mgmt let him get away at that price. Watch Kinney and Troupe have more combined receptions than Givens and Bennett next season.

I think so too. Givens got the money he wanted from the Titans, but I can't imagine him living up to that contract. As for Kinney & Troupe having more receptions I think that is fair. I'd say they'll probably combine for 120 - 130 catches. Whereas Givens & Bennett might only combine for 80 or 90.

mexican_texan
03-23-2006, 10:51 PM
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Football/NFL/2004/10/10/f101034A.jpg

I was looking for pictures of Glenn Earl for another thread, but I found this in the results. It's a player from my second-favorite team (possibly Gibril Wilson) punching Eddie through George's helmet.